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  • #312332
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,03:48)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2012,03:36)
    Hi EdJ.

    (1)What is wrong with the bible?
    (2)Is it inadequate,(3)that you have to go somewhere else to find the answers?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    1) Nothing, why?
    2) No
    3) Who says I have?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Edj.

    Why do you depend so much on your links.
    Dont you have the bible in front of you?
    Or just your book of links?

    wakeup.

    #312337
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2012,04:27)
    Edj.

    Why do you depend so much on your links.
    Dont you have the bible in front of you?
    Or just your book of links?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    The links are to the threads where the information is clearly laid out.
    It is a waste of my time to repeat the same things that
    you are not really interested in anyway.

    You can PROVE your interest, by reading my posts on that topic “IN” the thread it is already on.
    You would already know this if you had actually clicked on any of the various links that I have provided.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #312338
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,04:44)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2012,04:27)
    Edj.

    Why do you depend so much on your links.
    Dont you have the bible in front of you?
    Or just your book of links?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    The links are to the threads where the information is clearly laid out.
    It is a waste of my time to repeat the same things that
    you are not really interested in anyway.

    You can PROVE your interest, by reading my posts on that topic “IN” the thread it is already on.
    You would already know this if you had actually clicked on any of the various links that I have provided.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    I did read your links,but it just does not make any sense to me,and the scriptures.

    wakeup.

    #312341
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    Well then ask questions (IN THAT THREAD) instead of making accuses in this thread.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #312343
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,04:54)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Well then ask questions (IN THAT THREAD) instead of making accuses in this thread.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Edj.

    I have given you all the questions,just waiting for your reply.

    wakeup.

    #312349
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2012,04:56)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,04:54)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Well then ask questions (IN THAT THREAD) instead of making accuses in this thread.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Edj.

    I have given you all the questions,just waiting for your reply.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    I have answered all your questions on this thread, have I not?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #312393
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,05:19)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 11 2012,04:56)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,04:54)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Well then ask questions (IN THAT THREAD) instead of making accuses in this thread.

    God bless
    Ed J


    Edj.

    I have given you all the questions,just waiting for your reply.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    I have answered all your questions on this thread, have I not?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Edj.

    Reading your link gives me a headache.
    Sorry,but it is faulty,need to be returned to manufacturer.Product need to be recalled.
    It has many faults in it.
    Not acceptable for the public.

    wakeup.

    #312401
    Ed J
    Participant

    HA Ha ha ha ha!!!

    #312446
    Pastry
    Participant

    Ed wrote:

    Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).”


    Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
    and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
    the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


                   In order to understand this dragon, we must first look at the beast of Rev.13:1-3…


    Rev.13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (of people: Rev.17:15),
    having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the
    mouth of a lion (1Pt.5:8): and the dragon (Revelation 12:3) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

                                         Head 1: Egypt  -one head -one horn -one crown

                                         Head 2: Assyrian -one head -one horn -one crown

    Head of gold:                Head 3: Babylon -one head -one horn -one crown                           …Lion (Daniel 7:4)

    Arms of silver:               Head 4: Medo-Persians -one head -one horn -one crown                …Bear (Daniel 7:5)

    Thighs of brass:            Head 5: Greeks -one head -four horns -four crowns                    …Leopard (Daniel 7:6)

    Feet of iron & clay:        Head 6: Roman -one head -one horn -one crown                            …ten horns (Daniel 7:7-8)    

                                         Head 7: Ottoman -one head -one horn -one crown

                                                  Then it suffered a deadly wound:


                                           Muhammad did not have a world empire,
                                           but Mahammudin-islam is a resurgence of
                                           the beast with the deadly wound. (Rev.13:3)

    Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition.
    All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)


    First this leopard beast looses “-THREE CROWNS” and the camouflage spots exposing it as the great red dragon of Rev.12:3:

                       Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
                 and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and
                 ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.


                                                              The quran prophecy

                                       The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship
                                       the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast)

    Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
    saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
                       


    Next this great red dragon looses “-THE REST OF THE CROWNS” and the spirit of antichrist's plan of world conquest is fully exposed:

                   Revelation 17:3 “I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
              full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

           islam is the kingdom of the antichrist! (Link)


    Ed, what was it that all those empires stood for?

    World ruling governments, or, one world government.

    Justinian was the last Roman emperor that ruled the east and the west. After his death in 565 AD, there was no other emperor able to rule both, it was the end of the beast that was, a world ruling government.
    “and is not”; Not until 1918 was there a real attempt made to form that type of government again.
    The government that then was formed to rule the world was made up of the “ten horns”, Rev. 17:3; notice there are no 'crowns' on there horns; this government was, “THE LEAGUE OF NATION”. A crown is a symbol of ruler ship; these kings only ruled for “one hour” “AS” kings when they were elected to rule for six month.

    After a short while it went into perdition, 1946; but out of “IT” came the eighth, the “UNITED NATION”; that's why the Bible says,     the eighth is of the seven,   it changed in name only.

    I will stop here, knowing you, you don't care for the truth.

    BUT, should you have changed, I will give you the rest of your story.

    an old friend?  ???

    Ps. how can Islam be the Antichrist?
    Antichrist had his beginning on the Roman beast, Dan 7:8, during the Roman empire.
     

    #312449
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 12 2012,09:09)

    Ed wrote:

    Rev 17:8 “the beast that was(Rev.13:1-3), and is not(Rev.12:3), and yet is(Rev.17:3).”


    Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:
    and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from
    the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


                   In order to understand this dragon, we must first look at the beast of Rev.13:1-3…


    Rev.13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (of people: Rev.17:15),
    having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
    And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the
    mouth of a lion (1Pt.5:8): and the dragon (Revelation 12:3) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

                                         Head 1: Egypt  -one head -one horn -one crown

                                         Head 2: Assyrian -one head -one horn -one crown

    Head of gold:                Head 3: Babylon -one head -one horn -one crown                           …Lion (Daniel 7:4)

    Arms of silver:               Head 4: Medo-Persians -one head -one horn -one crown                …Bear (Daniel 7:5)

    Thighs of brass:            Head 5: Greeks -one head -four horns -four crowns                    …Leopard (Daniel 7:6)

    Feet of iron & clay:        Head 6: Roman -one head -one horn -one crown                            …ten horns (Daniel 7:7-8)    

                                         Head 7: Ottoman -one head -one horn -one crown

                                                  Then it suffered a deadly wound:


                                           Muhammad did not have a world empire,
                                           but Mahammudin-islam is a resurgence of
                                           the beast with the deadly wound. (Rev.13:3)

    Muhammadin islam is the eithth and of the seventh: and this whole world system is going to go into perdition.
    All of those countries are islamic now. You need to read Psalm Chapter 83 to better understand this. (Rev.17:11)


    First this leopard beast looses “-THREE CROWNS” and the camouflage spots exposing it as the great red dragon of Rev.12:3:

                       Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven;
                 and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and
                 ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.


                                                              The quran prophecy

                                       The beast: Rev.13:11(Muhammad), causeth all to worship
                                       the first beast before him: Rev.13:1-3(the leopard beast)

    Rev 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
    saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
                       


    Next this great red dragon looses “-THE REST OF THE CROWNS” and the spirit of antichrist's plan of world conquest is fully exposed:

                   Revelation 17:3 “I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
              full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

           islam is the kingdom of the antichrist! (Link)


    Ed, what was it that all those empires stood for?

    World ruling governments, or, one world government.

    Justinian was the last Roman emperor that ruled the east and the west. After his death in 565 AD, there was no other emperor able to rule both, it was the end of the beast that was, a world ruling government.
    “and is not”; Not until 1918 was there a real attempt made to form that type of government again.
    The government that then was formed to rule the world was made up of the “ten horns”, Rev. 17:3; notice there are no 'crowns' on there horns; this government was, “THE LEAGUE OF NATION”. A crown is a symbol of ruler ship; these kings only ruled for “one hour” “AS” kings when they were elected to rule for six month.

    After a short while it went into perdition, 1946; but out of “IT” came the eighth, the “UNITED NATION”; that's why the Bible says,     the eighth is of the seven,   it changed in name only.

    I will stop here, knowing you, you don't care for the truth.

    BUT, should you have changed, I will give you the rest of your story.

    an old friend?  ???

    Ps. how can Islam be the Antichrist?
    Antichrist had his beginning on the Roman beast, Dan 7:8, during the Roman empire.
     


    Pastry.

    You have explained your interpretation clearly,but I can not agree with you,because:

    1. First;The Justinian empire ended in 565ad as you
    stated.
    His empire and the previous empires,were great
    empires,but they never ruled the WHOLE EARTH.
    There were many nations not under the one ruler.
    Like china; the america's; asia,the mongols etc.

    2. John of revelation,lived long before 565ad,and he
    spoke of the beast that WAS.(this is a world empire
    that ruled the WHOLE EARTH; the whole globe.

    3. The U.N. is a conglomeration of world leaders; each
    leader have their own country and laws.Each country
    is independent,not ruled by the U.N. each have their
    own say.

    4. The new world order (beast that was) will be different.
    this one will rule over the WHOLE EARTH.all under
    the one ruler.
    The false prophet with the power of satan.

    5. Now who is the beast that was?
    This beast use to rule over the WHOLE EARTH;
    With the one ruler; one system of government; one
    language; one trade rules,one people.

    This can only be the one and only BABEL,UNDER
    KING NIMROD THE MIGHTY HUNTER.

    6. This old babel,that has been dorment for thousand of
    years wi
    ll be revived and is now active and
    breathing again,and soon take over the WHOLE
    EARTH. THE N.W.O. with one ruler(the f.p); one
    religion(worship the f.p.), one govenment;
    one language(english) one trade system.

    This is the beast that will come out of the bottomless pit. SATANS BRAIN CHILD.

    wakeup.

    #312471
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 12 2012,09:09)
    Ed, what was it that all those empires stood for?

    World ruling governments, or, one world government.

    Justinian was the last Roman emperor that ruled the east and the west. After his death in 565 AD, there was no other emperor able to rule both, it was the end of the beast that was, a world ruling government.
    “and is not”; Not until 1918 was there a real attempt made to form that type of government again.
    The government that then was formed to rule the world was made up of the “ten horns”, Rev. 17:3; notice there are no 'crowns' on there horns; this government was, “THE LEAGUE OF NATION”. A crown is a symbol of ruler ship; these kings only ruled for “one hour” “AS” kings when they were elected to rule for six month.

    After a short while it went into perdition, 1946; but out of “IT” came the eighth, the “UNITED NATION”; that's why the Bible says,     the eighth is of the seven,   it changed in name only.

    (1)I will stop here, knowing you, you don't care for the truth.

    BUT, should you have changed, I will give you the rest of your story.

    an old friend?  ???

    Ps. (2)how can Islam be the Antichrist?
    Antichrist had his beginning on the Roman beast, Dan 7:8, during the Roman empire.
     


    Hi George,

    1) Please do continue!
    2) Correction, I said:  “islam is the kingdom of the antichrist”  .

    Your friend
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #312472
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi George,

    There is no 'the antichrist'  –  it is instead 'the spirit of antichrist'.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #312498
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,16:27)
    Hi George,

    There is no 'the antichrist'  –  it is instead 'the spirit of antichrist'.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    With this I agree.
    All against christ is an antichrist,there is no antichrist as -THE- ANTI CHRIST MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE.
    And yet satan and his puppet as we know, is automatically the father of all antichrists and anti God,and anti good,and anti true christians.

    wakeup.

    wakeup.

    #312500
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,20:47)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,16:27)
    Hi George,

    There is no 'the antichrist'  –  it is instead 'the spirit of antichrist'.

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    With this I agree.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 represents the kingdoms of the spirit of antichrist?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #312507
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,20:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,20:47)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,16:27)
    Hi George,

    There is no 'the antichrist'  –  it is instead 'the spirit of antichrist'.

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    With this I agree.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 represents the kingdoms of the spirit of antichrist?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    The beast of rev 13:1–3.
    Is obviously an evil empire,and the spirit is anti Christ,but it has a king that rule over that empire,in this case there are 10kings,and one is the chief.

    sample: Nero is anti christ,his spirit is anti Christ,but he is still a man ruling,there has to be a visible man ruling.
    We can not have just a spirit of anti Christ ruling can we?(an invisible king).

    wakeup.

    #312511
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,22:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,20:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,20:47)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,16:27)
    Hi George,

    There is no 'the antichrist'  –  it is instead 'the spirit of antichrist'.

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    With this I agree.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 represents the kingdoms of the spirit of antichrist?

    God bless
    Ed J


    EdJ.

    The beast of rev 13:1–3.
    Is obviously an evil empire,and the spirit is anti Christ,but it has a king that rule over that empire,in this case there are 10kings,and one is the chief.

    sample: Nero is anti christ,his spirit is anti Christ,but he is still a man ruling,there has to be a visible man ruling.
    We can not have just a spirit of anti Christ ruling can we?(an invisible king).

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    So is your answer – “No” I don't agree  OR  “Yes” I agree with this as well?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #312514
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,22:24)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,22:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,20:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,20:47)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,16:27)
    Hi George,

    There is no 'the antichrist'  –  it is instead 'the spirit of antichrist'.

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    With this I agree.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 represents the kingdoms of the spirit of antichrist?

    God bless
    Ed J


    EdJ.

    The beast of rev 13:1–3.
    Is obviously an evil empire,and the spirit is anti Christ,but it has a king that rule over that empire,in this case there are 10kings,and one is the chief.

    sample: Nero is anti christ,his spirit is anti Christ,but he is still a man ruling,there has to be a visible man ruling.
    We can not have just a spirit of anti Christ ruling can we?(an invisible king).

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    So is your answer – “No” I don't agree  OR  “Yes” I agree with this as well?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    What are you getting at?
    You still can not understand?

    In that case YES IT IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST.
    and so were all mans kingdoms,and todays kingdoms,
    are all antichrist. AGREE?

    wakeup.

    #312519
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,22:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,22:24)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,22:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,20:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,20:47)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,16:27)
    Hi George,

    There is no 'the antichrist'  –  it is instead 'the spirit of antichrist'.

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    With this I agree.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 represents the kingdoms of the spirit of antichrist?

    God bless
    Ed J


    EdJ.

    The beast of rev 13:1–3.
    Is obviously an evil empire,and the spirit is anti Christ,but it has a king that rule over that empire,in this case there are 10kings,and one is the chief.

    sample: Nero is anti christ,his spirit is anti Christ,but he is still a man ruling,there has to be a visible man ruling.
    We can not have just a spirit of anti Christ ruling can we?(an invisible king).

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    So is your answer – “No” I don't agree  OR  “Yes” I agree with this as well?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    What are you getting at?
    You still can not understand?

    In that case  YES IT IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST.
    and so were all mans kingdoms,and todays kingdoms,
    are all antichrist. AGREE?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 represents the kingdoms of the spirit of antichrist?

    So, is your answer   “Yes, I agree with this as well, Ed”    then?

    God bless
    Ed J

    #312529
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,22:50)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,22:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,22:24)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,22:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,20:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2012,20:47)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,16:27)
    Hi George,

    There is no 'the antichrist'  –  it is instead 'the spirit of antichrist'.

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    With this I agree.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 represents the kingdoms of the spirit of antichrist?

    God bless
    Ed J


    EdJ.

    The beast of rev 13:1–3.
    Is obviously an evil empire,and the spirit is anti Christ,but it has a king that rule over that empire,in this case there are 10kings,and one is the chief.

    sample: Nero is anti christ,his spirit is anti Christ,but he is still a man ruling,there has to be a visible man ruling.
    We can not have just a spirit of anti Christ ruling can we?(an invisible king).

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    So is your answer – “No” I don't agree  OR  “Yes” I agree with this as well?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    What are you getting at?
    You still can not understand?

    In that case  YES IT IS THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST.
    and so were all mans kingdoms,and todays kingdoms,
    are all antichrist. AGREE?

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 represents the kingdoms of the spirit of antichrist?

    So, is your answer   “Yes, I agree with this as well, Ed”    then?

    God bless
    Ed J


    EdJ.

    Yes; they are all antichrists.

    wakeup.

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    Ed J
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    Hi Wakeup,

    Would you also agree that the beast of Rev.13:1-3 is “The Antichrist” spirit?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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