- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Hi Tow,
Of course.
If you are a prophet you will know.
John the baptist, who smoothed the way, saw and recognised the Christ.
But philosophers will struggle.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,21:50) Hi Tow,
Of course.
If you are a prophet you will know.
John the baptist, who smoothed the way, saw and recognised the Christ.
But philosophers will struggle.
I am no prophet. Unlike Jesus, I do not claim what I am not.Even John the Baptist did not claim to be a prophet. Why don't you agree with him?
Hi Tow,
We will never know everything but we do where truth is to be found and there is wonderful harmony between the NT and the OT if one is patient and seeks wisdom. No man has done the things he did.
He is the one to follow.Original Post because Nick Hassan has been playing topic cover-up on yet another thread.
=================================================
What will the King Messiah accomplish and fulfill?(1) Build the 3rd Temple (Eze 37:26-28, Mic 4:1).
(2) Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isa 43:5-6, Isa 27:12-13 & 11:12).
(3) Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. (Isa 2:4, Isa 11:6, Micah 4:3)
(4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. (Isa 11:9, Isa 40:5, Jer 31:31-34, Zec 14:9, Zep 3:9).
(5) Be a descendant of King David and his son Solomon (Is 11:1, Jer 23:5, Eze 34:23-24, 2 Sam 7:12-14, 1 Chr 17:11)
(6) Will not lead people to disobey Torah (Deu 13:1-4). All though this is not messianic specifically, it is in the sense that the real King Messiah will NOT be like the ones spoken of in this passage. If someone matches this passage, you can be certain they are not king Messiah.
Has anyone fulfilled even a single one of these? Not yet. Much less all six. This includes Jesus of Nazareth, Theudas (Acts 5:36), Judas the Galilean (Acts 5:37), Benjamin the Egyptian, Menachem, or Simeon Bar Kochba. What do all of these men have in common? They died by crucifixion and they claimed to be the King Messiah.
Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 03 2008,23:45) Original Post because Nick Hassan has been playing topic cover-up on yet another thread.
=================================================
What will the King Messiah accomplish and fulfill?(1) Build the 3rd Temple (Eze 37:26-28, Mic 4:1).
(2) Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isa 43:5-6, Isa 27:12-13 & 11:12).
(3) Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. (Isa 2:4, Isa 11:6, Micah 4:3)
(4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. (Isa 11:9, Isa 40:5, Jer 31:31-34, Zec 14:9, Zep 3:9).
(5) Be a descendant of King David and his son Solomon (Is 11:1, Jer 23:5, Eze 34:23-24, 2 Sam 7:12-14, 1 Chr 17:11)
(6) Will not lead people to disobey Torah (Deu 13:1-4). All though this is not messianic specifically, it is in the sense that the real King Messiah will NOT be like the ones spoken of in this passage. If someone matches this passage, you can be certain they are not king Messiah.
Has anyone fulfilled even a single one of these? Not yet. Much less all six. This includes Jesus of Nazareth, Theudas (Acts 5:36), Judas the Galilean (Acts 5:37), Benjamin the Egyptian, Menachem, or Simeon Bar Kochba. What do all of these men have in common? They died by crucifixion and they claimed to be the King Messiah.
Jesus taught that the Kingdom of God is within you.That God Most High is Love.
That the laws that which burdened men where not of the Most High and he taught the Essenes Law as found in the sermon on the mount.
That God does not demand blood sacrifices like a vampire God.
Jesus was an Essene Messiah not a Pharisee or Saducee Messiah.
The Essenes correctly understood the corruption of the Torah made by Ezra and the returning scribes from captivity. When they made YHVH an angel (their tribal diety) into God Most High in order to establish a firm monothiesm. Scholars today call this the documentary hypothesis and confirm the teachings of Essenes by doing so.
Later his teachings were ripped out of context and he became a Messiah to a Pharisee form of Judaism. Which as Tow points out would not make any sense.
It is the tribal angel YHVH who cared about “national” interests of Israel. God Most High is the God of all nations not just Israel.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 03 2008,07:07) Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 03 2008,23:45) Original Post because Nick Hassan has been playing topic cover-up on yet another thread.
=================================================
What will the King Messiah accomplish and fulfill?(1) Build the 3rd Temple (Eze 37:26-28, Mic 4:1).
(2) Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isa 43:5-6, Isa 27:12-13 & 11:12).
(3) Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. (Isa 2:4, Isa 11:6, Micah 4:3)
(4) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. (Isa 11:9, Isa 40:5, Jer 31:31-34, Zec 14:9, Zep 3:9).
(5) Be a descendant of King David and his son Solomon (Is 11:1, Jer 23:5, Eze 34:23-24, 2 Sam 7:12-14, 1 Chr 17:11)
(6) Will not lead people to disobey Torah (Deu 13:1-4). All though this is not messianic specifically, it is in the sense that the real King Messiah will NOT be like the ones spoken of in this passage. If someone matches this passage, you can be certain they are not king Messiah.
Has anyone fulfilled even a single one of these? Not yet. Much less all six. This includes Jesus of Nazareth, Theudas (Acts 5:36), Judas the Galilean (Acts 5:37), Benjamin the Egyptian, Menachem, or Simeon Bar Kochba. What do all of these men have in common? They died by crucifixion and they claimed to be the King Messiah.
Jesus taught that the Kingdom of God is within you.That God Most High is Love.
That the laws that which burdened men where not of the Most High and he taught the Essenes Law as found in the sermon on the mount.
That God does not demand blood sacrifices like a vampire God.
No just human sacrifices and drinking of the blood of the savior god-man. Now really which would you rather serve, YHVH or a cannibal god?
Quote Jesus was an Essene Messiah not a Pharisee or Saducee Messiah. Jesus was a pagan messiah. You supply no evidence to support your theory, just conjecture.
Your god must be pretty weak to allow the cover-up all this time.
Quote The Essenes correctly understood the corruption of the Torah made by Ezra and the returning scribes from captivity. When they made YHVH an angel (their tribal diety) into God Most High in order to establish a firm monothiesm. Scholars today call this the documentary hypothesis and confirm the teachings of Essenes by doing so. All conjecture.
Quote Later his teachings were ripped out of context and he became a Messiah to a Pharisee form of Judaism. Which as Tow points out would not make any sense. Not just Pharisee but all of Judaism. He is but a pagan savior god-man.
Quote It is the tribal angel YHVH who cared about “national” interests of Israel. God Most High is the God of all nations not just Israel.
Again, just conjecture on your part but you and I at least agree that Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah.Hi Tow,
Do you eat scripture?
You should because man cannot live on bread alone.
Christ is the living word and is the truth so he had the words of life.
To hear him is to eat the Word.
He died and the blood flowed from his body on Calvary.He symbolised his death with the breaking of bread and the new unity of his body on earth by the partaking together of bread and the wine [as his blood] showing the reunifying those in him. We are one in him and he insists we celebrate that unity now.
Show me where the King Messiah was to be the biological son of G-d according to Tanakh, and that he was to be the “bread of life”. Since you can't prove his Messiahship according to Tanakh, maybe you can prove this part of his supposed “mission”.
Hi tow,
By faith we know that Christ Jesus spoke the words of God.
We cannot prove anything to those who have rejected faith.Hi tow,
The pharisees wanted proofs too.
The sign of Jonah was all those unbelievers got.
He and his brothers are not entertainers for the purveyors of doubt.More proof that the new covenant has not come, directly from the mouth of Jesus himself:
Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”What did Jesus tell them to do? Teach them! But what happens when the real new covenant is made?
Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
So from the mouth of Jesus himself, YHVH's new covenant has not come!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 03 2008,14:55) Hi tow,
The pharisees wanted proofs too.
The sign of Jonah was all those unbelievers got.
He and his brothers are not entertainers for the purveyors of doubt.
Wrong Nick, they were looking for a sign. A sign is not proof. You can't even get the words of your own scriptures correct.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
