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Hi RD,
The only time shown in scripture when ALL are resurrected is AFTER the 1000 year reign and ONLY for the purpose of judgement. Do you disagree?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2008,13:09) Hi RD,
The sons of the resurrection are to be judges kings and priests, but teachers?It is not written that further education and more opportunities for salvation will be offered to those raised later.
The word judge includes -1- instruction (Psalm 19:7-11; 25:8,9: 106:3; 119:108; Isaiah 33:5; 56:1; 59:4,8-15; Ezekiel 22:2; Matthew 12:18-20; 23:23; Colossians 2:16), -2- testing (Psalm 26:1-3, compare 139:23,24; Jeremiah 11:20, compare 20:12; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5), -3- chastisement for correction (Isaiah 26:9; 1 Corinthians 11:31,32 — compare Luke 12:47,48; Hebrews 12:5-11; Revelation 3:19), and -4- passing a sentence. — Matthew 7:1,2; John 7:24; Deuteronomy 1:16; Psalm 17:2.One of the duties of a priest is to teach God's law. — Leviticus 10:11; Deuteronomy 33:10; 2 Chronicles 15:3.
As far as scriptures showing that such instruction will take place in coming day of judgment, I have already given many.
Hi RD,
Rev 20
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.That seems very clear – AFTER
This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This is also clear.
The first resurrection is at the BEGINNING of the 1000 yr reign.Jn 12
44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.45And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
This fits with Jn 3.
Christ is the way.
The rest is mercy.So the judgement is the last day of the LAST DAY-the 1000 year reign.
Belief in Christ is the basis of that judgement though some are found by mercy to be sheep according to how they treated Christ in his followers.[Mt25].
Those raised in the second resurrection did not know Christ and expect mercy but find it.
No conflict.
No second chances excepting mercy to decide but all judgement based on what they did in their lifetime.Quote (ronday888 @ Feb. 01 2008,07:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2008,13:09) Hi RD,
The sons of the resurrection are to be judges kings and priests, but teachers?It is not written that further education and more opportunities for salvation will be offered to those raised later.
The word judge includes -1- instruction (Psalm 19:7-11; 25:8,9: 106:3; 119:108; Isaiah 33:5; 56:1; 59:4,8-15; Ezekiel 22:2; Matthew 12:18-20; 23:23; Colossians 2:16), -2- testing (Psalm 26:1-3, compare 139:23,24; Jeremiah 11:20, compare 20:12; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5), -3- chastisement for correction (Isaiah 26:9; 1 Corinthians 11:31,32 — compare Luke 12:47,48; Hebrews 12:5-11; Revelation 3:19), and -4- passing a sentence. — Matthew 7:1,2; John 7:24; Deuteronomy 1:16; Psalm 17:2.One of the duties of a priest is to teach God's law. — Leviticus 10:11; Deuteronomy 33:10; 2 Chronicles 15:3.
As far as scriptures showing that such instruction will take place in coming day of judgment, I have already given many.
Hi RD,
Christ will rule and all will be brought to order through his servants but the rest of the dead will not be there to hear it as they are raised at the end of that reign.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2008,13:21) Hi RD,
The full expression of the Kingdom of Christ on earth begins with the first resurrection. Some natural men will survive the great tribulation so there will be nations to be ruled. They will respond to the ministry of Christ for 1000 years because the dragon will be enchained. The spiritually dead will still be buried and not available for education.I am not aware of any scripture that speaks of any as spiritually dead.
It is however, those who are under the condemnation of death in Adam that are to be judged individually in the day of judgment, the thousand years while Satan is abyssed.
The book of Revelation, like many other books of prophecy given with symbolisms, in many cases is not give entirely in sequential order of fulfillment. A thought is brought to a conclusion, and the next sentence may revert in sequence to take up from an earlier point.
Revelation 20:1 – I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for one thousand years,
Revelation 20:3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.====
Note that John brings the first segment to the end of the thousand years, and even after the thousand years to a period of time when Satan is freed; in the next verse (verse 4), however, reverts back to the the thousand years.====
Revelation 20:4 – I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn't worship the beast nor his image, and didn't receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived, and reigned with Christ one thousand years.
====Is this speaking about another thousands years that begins after the thousands years spoken of as having ended in verse 3? I don't think so. John is relating a different aspect concerning the thousand years during which Satan is abyssed.
There are several scriptures that need to be aligned with this, by which we are enabled to obtain a better viewpoint of the time elements being spoken of, but let us look at the next verse before doing this.
Revelation 20:5 – [The rest of the dead didn't live until the thousand years were finished.] This is the first resurrection.
The sentence in brackets is considered spurious, and its appearance here has thrown some into confusion. These words are missing in the earliest Greek manuscripts-Codex Sinaitic and Codex Alexandrine. (The Codex Vatican #1209 does not contain the Book of Revelation.) These words are also missing in the earliest Syriac and Aramaic manuscripts.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.
Jesus said the unbelievers receive their judgment during the “last day”; and yet he also said that the believers will be raised in the “last day”. It is the same period of time in which Martha believed that Lazarus would be raised. (John 11:23,24) It is during this same “last day” that the unjust are to be raised for judgment. (John 5:28,29; 12:47,48) Thus the saints must be raised first — at the beginning of this “last day” in order to receive the authority to participate with Jesus in judging the unbelieving world. — Revelation 20:4.
These who participate in the first resurrection are then given authority to judge with Jesus. We read that the God of Jesus “has given all judgment to the Son.” (John 5:22) This authority is also shared with the saints, since we prophetically of the last day: “judgment was given to the saints of the Most High.” (Daniel 7:22) This is repeated in Revelation 20:4: “I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them.” This has to take place at the beginning of the “last day”. Why?
Because it is still of that same “last day” that Jesus says: “He who rejects me, and doesn't receive my sayings, has one who judges him. The word that I spoke, the same will judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48) Thus the world who hasn't believed in this age are to be judged in the same “last day” in which the saints are raised and given authority to judge. Who do the saints judge? “Don't you know that the saints will judge the world?”, asks Paul (1 Corinthians 6:2) God then, will judge the unbelieving world by means of Jesus and the saints in the “last day”. It is this last day that Paul spoke of, saying: “he [God] has appointed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he has ordained.” (Acts 17:31) All of this has not yet happened. Certainly the world who died in unbelief have not yet been raised before Satan is abyssed in order to be judged, and they will not be raised and judged until after Satan has been abyssed, so that they will not be deceived by his deceptions during their individual judgment.
Revelation 20:7 And after the thousand years, Satan will be freed out of his prison,
This shows that the verses are not presented in sequential order of fulfillment, since this event was already mentioned in verse 3.
Revelation 20:8 and will come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
This is dealing mostly with Satan, but in doing so, it also describes events leading to the final destruction of the incorrigible, after the 1,000 years have ended. Note that God allows them again to be deceived. They had already been englightened during the thousand years, and had their trial under the favorable conditions of the kingdom, and still refused at heart to conform to the law of love and justice. It is only these that have already proven themselves incorrigible that will be allowed to again be deceived by Satan after the 1,000 years, when Satan is again freed from his abyssment.
Revelation 20:9 They went up over the breadth of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. Fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.
This parallels the fire of God's zeal destroying the goats of the parable of the sheep and the goats. This event takes place after the 1,000 years, *after* Satan has been set free from the abyss. The fire of God's zeal is prepared to destroy Satan and his demons, and does so after the destruction of the those on earth who follow him.
Revelation 20:10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where are also the beast and the false prophet. They will be tormented [Basanizo – tested by a touchstone (figuratively)] day and night forever and ever.
This brings to another conclusion the 1,000 years, the day of the world's judgment, and of the the short period of time following the judgment, but speaks particularly of the final end of Satan; nevertheless, the next verse again reverts back to the beginning of the 1,000 years, to the time when the “judgment is given” (Revelation 20:4) the saints, when God comes to rule and judge the world by means of Jesus and the saints. All of the events of Revelation 20 deal with that same last day of resurrection, blessing and judgment, and the events immediately following that last day, just as depicted in the parable of the sheep and the goats.
Revelation 20:11 I saw a great white throne, and him who sat on it, fro
m whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them.He who sits on the throne in the book of Revelation is not the Lamb, Jesus, but the God of Jesus. Yahweh comes to judge the world of mankind by means of Jesus (including the saints). — Psalm 96:13; 98:9; 17:31.
Verse 11 begins another aspect of the same day of judgment, during the 1,000 years already mentioned. This does not begin a new judgment day after the 1,000 years, nor is such a judgment day after the “last day” spoken of any where in the scriptures.
12 I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne. Books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.
This depicts in a different scene the judgment day during the thousand years. The dead, the great and the small, does not refer to those who in this age are reckoned alive through faith in Jesus, but those who in this age are dead in Adam. This is the “last day” judgment scene. We find depicts the heathen — the nations — standing before the thone of judgment during, not after, the thousand years, during, not after, the “last day”, the day when Yahweh comes to judge the world through the one he has ordained. (Psalm 96:13; Included in the one ordained are all the seed of Abraham by faith. (Galatians 3:16,29)
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works.
This again depicts the general resurrection of the dead who are raised for judgment during the last day, the thousand years during which Satan is abyssed.
14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
With the emptying of all in Adamic death and its death condition, hades, there is no more any need for this death to exist, thus it is destroyed in the lake of fire, the lake burning with God's zeal for righteousness. After death and hades is emptied, no one take from that condition is counted as dying in Adam; they will all be counted as made alive in Jesus, although the actuality cannot come until they have developed themselves in righteousness. The reckoned condition is maintained until the actuality is reached; the actual award is given *after* the thousand years.
15 If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
This corresponds to Matthew 25:26. The final judgment, the result of the thousand years “last day” is pronounced, both for the righteous and the those who refuse to learn righteousness during that thousand years. The righteousness go into eternal life, and the wicked into the everlasting punishment of the second death.
Hi RD,
So you believe that only the sin of Adam causes men to be judged?
You thus would say that no men sin in their own right and deserve judgement?
Do you believe that those in Christ are not judged and have passed from death to life?
Does obedient belief in Christ and his righteousness not offer us advantages?
Do all still have to face judgement according to works and not faith?
Do you believe in two resurrections or only one?
Do those who died in faith not yet live?
Faith brings eternal life
in the Spirit.Hi RD,
There may well be enough physical room for all who have died to stand on earth but what about the clothing shelter and food required. Bear in mind that only the children of God will have imperishable bodies fit to last 1000 years [1Cor 15] and the rest rise as scripture says, naked. What of their future?Quote (ronday888 @ Feb. 01 2008,04:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 31 2008,16:46) Where is it written the raised will be educated and given a fresh opportunity? Yahweh comes to judge the world of mankind by means of the one whom he has appointed.
[God] has appointed a day in which he [God] will judge the world in righteousness by the man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead. — Acts 17:31.
Yahweh … comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, The peoples with his truth. — Psalm 96:13.
Yahweh, For he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, And the peoples with equity. — Psalm 98:9.
These scriptures have to do with the “last day” judgment of the world. It is in the “last day” that the world will be raised for judgment. This judgment takes place on earth.
John 5:28
Don't marvel at this, for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs will hear his voice,
John 5:29
and will come forth; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.John 12:48
He who rejects me, and doesn't receive my sayings, has one who judges him. The word that I spoke, the same will judge him in the last day.When God's judgments are in the earth, the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9
when your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.Isaiah 2:2
It shall happen in the latter days, that the mountain of Yahweh's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be raised above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.
Isaiah 2:3
Many peoples shall go and say, “Come, let's go up to the mountain of Yahweh, To the house of the God of Jacob; And he will teach us of his ways, And we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion the law shall go forth, And the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 2:4
He will judge between the nations, And will decide concerning many peoples; And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning-hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war any more.Not all of the world, however, will learn righteousness, even though they be shown favor in the new earth of righteousness. — 2 Peter 3:13.
Isaiah 26:10 Let favor be shown to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness; in the land [earth – 'erets] of uprightness will he deal wrongfully, and will not see the majesty of Yahweh.
Jesus showed that when his disciples will judge Israel, it will be the time of the regeneration (or re-creation).
Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly I tell you, that you who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on the throne of his glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”It is in the time when those of Israel will be restored to life (regeneration), that is, the unbelievers of Israel who are judges in the “last day”. (John 12:48) It is the same time that is spoken of in Matthew 25:31-46, when Jesus sits on his throne of glory, and separates the heathen, represented as “sheep” and “goats”. It is thus the “day” that God has appointed to the judge the world by means of the one whom he has ordained, Jesus. — Acts 17:31.
It is only because Jesus came to save the world, that the world will be released from the first judgment through, and its condemnation and penalty, death and hades, in that last day, that they might be judged by means of the things written in the books that are opened to them in that “last day” of judgment, according to their works. Those who learn righteousness in that earth of uprightness will have their names written in the book of life that is opened to them at that time. These will inherit the kingdom (dominion) that God prepared for man in the beginning, and they will live forever upon the earth. (Genesis 1:26,28; Psalm 8:5-8; Matthew 25:34; Psalm 37:29) Those who do not learn righteousness will not have their names written in the book of life and will be thrown into the second death, the death for which there is not ransom sacrifice, since “there remains no more a sacrifice for sins.” (Hebrews 10:26) Thus, those who go into the second death die for their own willfull sin, not because of being condemned in Adam. Those who die the second death are dead, cease to have sentiency, for eternity — eternal punishment. — Revelation 20:11-15; Matthew 25:46.
Good Post. This is the same way my Husband see's it. I have not made up my mind if I want to believe this or not, have not studied it enough yet. Just wanted to tell you, tho that my Huaband agree's with you.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2008,13:34) Hi RD,.
The two resurrections are shown in Jn 5 which you quote,24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:24 – Most assuredly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. — World English Bible translation.
Nick,
Those who exercise this living faith in Jesus pass from death unto life. Not that they have the full life promised yet; but God reckons, imputes, or counts (Greek, logizomai) it to them because his justice has been satisfied by the death of the Messiah, and they have accepted the provision that he has made for them in the Messiah. (Romans 4:23-25) This new life, the new creation, is accounted as a seed, a bare grain (1 Corinthians 15:37), planted by means of the incorruptible Word of God (Luke 8:11; 1 Peter 1:3; through the holy spirit — Ephesians 6:17), and thus it is accounted as like a token, an earnest, a down payment (Arrhabon, Strong's Greek #728) of that which is to come (2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Ephesians 1:14) in the resurrection of life, the resurrection of the just (John 5:29; Acts 24:15), on the last day. — John 6:39,40,44,54; 11:24; Revelation 20:6.
Jesus says that these who pass over from death to life do not come into judgment. Evidently, Jesus is here referring to “the resurrection of judgment” that he speaks of as recorded in John 5:29. Those who become justified in this age are accounted as already passed over into the age to come (Hebrews 6:5), tasted the powers of the age to come so as to be accounted as being alive while yet in the present evil age. (Galatians 1:4) Thus, these who pass over from death to life do not come into “the resurrection of judgment” with the world in the age to come, but in this age do have to endure what the King James Version refers to as a “trial of faith”, “the proof of your faith” (World English). (1 Peter 1:7) What is proved is their faith, with the goal of perfection of faith. (1 Thessalonians 3:10; Hebrews 6:1) When these come before the judgment seat of Christ in the “the last day”, as part of the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29), they will “receive the things done in the [present] body, according what he has done, whether good or bad.” — 2 Corinthians 5:10.
This indicates that some believers will be raised in the resurrection of life who failed to some extent in their trial of faith, and will need to “receive” some kind of disciplines in the age to come. Jesus speaks of many of his servants who would know what to do and not do it, and others who would not know what to do, that both of these would need further discipline, before it could be true that the second death would no longer have any power over them. — Luke 12:47,48; Revelation 20:6.
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25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.John 5:25 – Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live
The phrase, “and now is”, is missing from the Sinaitic manuscript, and it is probable that it was added by a copyist after John died, in an attempt to support the idea that the resurrection had already come.– 2 Timothy 2:18.
http://www.bibletoday.com/htstb/spurious_text.htmThat the resurrection of the just does not happen when one believes can be seen by Paul's statement in Philippians 3:11, for he speaks of attaining the resurrection. In saying this, he is speaking of attaining the perfection spoken of Philippians 3:12, something he considered he had not yet attained. Thus, there is a worthiness attached to the resurrection of the dead. — Luke 20:35.
Nevertheless, those who put faith in Jesus are indeed *counted*, or reckoned as raised with him. This is not, however, the fulfilment of the first resurrection, but is rather given by the spirit as a token, a down payment, an earnest (Greek transliterated: Arrhabon, Strong's #728), of that which is to come. — 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Ephesians 1:14.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2008,13:34)
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;John 5:26:
Because the God and Father of Jesus prepared Jesus' human body especially (Hebrews 10:5), as John said: “in him was life.” Unlike mankind dying in Adam, Jesus had life in himself, and that life brought light and incorruption to light for mankind. (John 1:4; 9:5; 2 Timothy 1:10) By his obedience, Jesus proved that one who is like Adam before Adam sinned, could obey, and thus Jesus condemned sin in the flesh, and proved God to be just. Jesus gave up that life, however, in order to purchase mankind from sin and death. — Luke 3:38; Romans 3:26; 5:14-19; 8:3; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2008,13:34)
Those that know the voice of the shepherd and are not dead but asleep will be raised in the first resurrection to the tribunal of Christ of reward for the increase of those ten talents invested in us. They have passed over from death to life.I touched on that “tribunal” earlier, when I said: When these come before the judgment seat of Christ in the “the last day”, as part of the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29), they will “receive the things done in the [present] body, according what he has done, whether good or bad.” — 2 Corinthians 5:10.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2008,13:34)
Then ALL are raised 1000 years later unto judgement.Revelaton 20:5 – The rest of the dead didn't live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.– World English Bible translation
As I discussed earlier, the sentence concerning the “rest of the dead” does not appear in the earlier manuscripts, and the context would indicate that it does not belong in the verse, for it would seem to place the first resurrection as not happening until the thousand years were finished. The sentence is missing in the earliest Greek manuscripts-Codex Sinaitic and Codex Alexandrine. (The Codex Vatican #1209 does not contain the Book of Revelation.) One has to put the sentence in parentheses in order to disconnect “the rest of the dead” from those raised in the “first resurrection”. Additionally, Jesus tells us that all are raised in the same “last day”/”hour”.
Nevertheless, those who receive life due to their judgment in the last day (John 12:47,48) do not actua
lly receive that life until after the 1,000 years are over, after the little season during which little season Satan is allowed to come out of the abyss in order to deceive those who had not learned righteousness during the last day judgment. Those who will have learned righteousness during the 1,000 years (the “last day”), and those who will have not learned righteousness (Isaiah 26:9,10), both receive the execution of judgment after the 1,000 years. (Revelation 20:7-9; Matthew 25:46) Only those who, during the 1,000 years, have refused to learn righteousness (Isaiah 26:10) will then be allowed to be deceived by Satan.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 01 2008,13:34)
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.John 5:27 – He also gave him authority to execute judgment, because he is a son of man. — World English Bible translation.
In this instance, Jesus does not say “ho huios tou anthrwpou” (the son of the man) as he usually does in describing himself as the son of the man David, but he simply says: “huios anthrwpou”, which can mean a “son of a man”, a “man son”, or a “human son”. This is the only scripture in which Jesus speaks of himself in this manner. It is this same phrase that is used of man in Hebrews 2:6, which is quoting the description of the original human son, Adam, as given in Psalm 8:4. Adam was a human son of God (Luke 3:38; Psalm 8:4) until he became a son of disobedience when he disobeyed. (Ephesians 2:2) Jesus is thus emphasizing his incorrupt humanity; he is speaking of himself as an incorrupt human son of God. In this, Jesus is totally unique amongst men. Due to his being such, the only true God gives to Jesus authority to execute God's judgments, God's justice.
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28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 5:28 – Don't marvel at this, for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs will hear his voice,
John 5:29 – and will come forth; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.The above “hour” designates a time period that was yet to come. That “hour” is either the same time period as the “last day”, or at least within that “last day”. Both resurrections take place within that “last day”. It is in the last day that those who believe are raised in the resurrection of life. (John 5:29; 6:39,40,44,54) It is that same “last day” the those who do not believe will be raised in the resurrection of judgment. (John 5:29; 12:47,48) Those who have passed over from death to life, having life accounted to them in this age, are raised at the beginning of the “last day”. “The dead in Christ will rise first” (1 Thessalonians 4:16, World English Bible translation), “each in his proper order, a first-fruit
Christ [The Anointed first-fruits — see James 1:18]” and “afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence.” (1 Corinthians 15:23, Young's Literal) Those who belong to Christ in the time of his presence are those who learn righteousness when God's judgments are in the earth. — Isaiah 2:2-4; 26:9.Christian love,
RonaldHi RD,
Of course the life that Christ had in himself was that of the Spirit of the Father in him and he died that we may share that life.
It was not his own life.
Christ was not different to us,except in the later given full anointing of God.Perfection is in the eyes of God and not our own. Those who return some value on the investment God made in them are given some reward but it is according to grace sought and given, not self effort.
God is fair so men are judged through a man who has walked among them and knows first hand the problems we face.
The tribunal of Christ is one of reward for his followers and different from the sheep and goat judgement on the heathen nations.
Hi RD,
So the order from Rev 20
is
The 1000 yr reign free from Satan's influence
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
The rebellion
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
The Judgement of Satan
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.The second resurrection then the Judgement of the nations when all remaining in the graves or in the sea are raised.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2008,18:54) Hi ronday,
Living faith is obedient faith?
Those who have been reborn of water and the Spirit?
*************The expression “living faith” does actually appear in the scriptures. James tells us, however, of a faith that is dead. (James 2:20,26) My usage of the expression “living faith” is in regard to faith that is active, alive, not dead. An active faith is indeed obedient, for faith without works in accordance with that faith is dead.
Those who are reborn of water and spirit do indeed become reckoned as alive by means of faith, and that has to be a faith that is living, active, not one like the demons who believe and tremble. — James 2:19.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2008,19:47) Hi RD,
Of course the life that Christ had in himself was that of the Spirit of the Father in him and he died that we may share that life.
It was not his own life.I am not sure what the import of the above is, so I will respond in somewhat general terms.
God, of course, being the source of all life, has life in himself. He is alive, without sin, without any condemnation of death upon him. God originally gave Adam life, so that it could have been said that in Adam was life. Having God as his father, Adam was indeed a living son of God, possessing life. (Luke 3:38) Adam did not hold onto that life, however, because he came under the condemnation of death due to sin. Thus, he and his offspring could no longer say that have life in themselves, life given from God, since mankind are in a dying condition.
Because God had specially prepared the body of Jesus (Hebrews 10:5), God had given to Jesus “life in himself” — in him was life. (John 1:4; 5:26) Thus, his life was in perfect equivalence with the life that Adam lost. Adam, being “a son of God” before he sinned (Luke 3:38), likewise had the full glory of God; thus, it could have also been said that he had “life in himself”, and, had he given birth to children before he sinned, then those children would have had life in them.
Jesus, however, suffered as though he had sinful flesh, and sacrificed that flesh in order that he might redeem mankind from death and hades. His being a sinless human son, as was Adam, before Adam sinned, allowed him to do this. Thus, it was to this man, Jesus, while he was still a human son, having life in himself from his God and Father, that “all judgment was given to him.” (John 5:22) Thus it was this man through whom God ordained that he was to judge the world of mankind in the last day. (Acts 17:31) The ordination came upon Jesus while he was still a man, a man having life in himself. Jesus, however, died, and was raised by God, not in the flesh, but in the spirit. While the ordination came while Jesus was still a man, while he was still in the days of his flesh, Jesus will no longer be a man when God comes to judge the world by means of him.
Nevertheless, it is given humans by means of faith, they may have life in themselves, for it was to humans that Jesus said: “Most assuredly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don't have life in yourselves.” — John 6:53.
Whatever Jesus meant by eating his flesh and drinking his blood, we can note that those who listened did not fully understand what he meant that this. Thus, many of the disciples said: “This is a hard saying! Who can hear it?” (John 6:60) Jesus said: “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life — that is, I will raise him up on the Last Day.” — John 6:54.
Earlier, Jesus had stated: “This is the will of my Father: that all who see the Son and trust in him should have eternal life, and that I should raise them up on the Last Day.” (John 6:40) Thus, eating his flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus is evidently in someway used figuratively of recognizing and trusting in the Son of God.
Jesus said: “As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.” (John 6:57) And: “the spirit (breath) it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit {breath, force}, and they are life.” (John 6:63, Young's Literal) When God created man, He blew into man the breath, force, spirit, of life, and it was then the man became alive. (Genesis 2:7) Without that breath, without the spirit/force of life in a man, the body is dead. Thus James writes: “The body apart from the spirit is dead.” (James 2:26) Without the spirit, the force of life, from God, the body is dead. Without the spirit of life from God, Adam's body had no life.
Jesus is using this principle to illustrate his words, and the putting of faith in his words, when he says that his words are such a force, and through his words one can be made alive as Adam was alive. One is begotten anew by the word of truth. (James 1:18) Adam was not a son of disobedience, nor a son of wrath, when he was created. (Ephesians 2:2,3) He was indeed a living — not dying — son of God. (Luke 3:38) He could have lived forever had he obeyed. (Genesis 3:22) Likewise, through faith in the truths that Jesus proclaimed, one can be begotten again so as to be counted as alive, as Adam was alive, not dying, before Adam sinned, for Jesus, by his words, was proclaiming his death as the ransom to save the world of mankind. — Matthew 12:40; 16:21; 17:22,23; 20:18,19,28; Luke 19:10; 22:19; Mark 8:31; 9:31,32; 10:45; 33:34; Luke 9:22; 18:31-33; 24:7,44-46; John 3:16,17; 6:51,54.56; 12:47,48.
Thus, figuratively eating of Jesus' body and figuratively drinking his blood means to feed upon the words of Jesus, putting faith in him for salvation from sin and death through Adam. (Acts 13:39; Romans 3:25; 5:1,14-19; Hebrews 10:10) Thus, Paul said: “I live by faith in the Son of God.” (Galatians 2:20) Therefore, “being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.” It is through faith that one eats of his body and drinks of his blood that one may be sanctified (consecrated) by means of the offering of Jesus' body and the offering of blood of the new covenant. (Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:19,20; 1 Corinthians 11:24,25; Hebrews 10:10,29) And one having come under the protection of his blood, one must remain in his word in order to remain in Christ. — John 8:31; 15:4.
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Christ was not different to us,except in the later given full anointing of God.Christ was indeed different from us in that he was not made a sinner due to Adam's sin. He was “holy, guiltless, undefiled, separated from sinners.” (Hebrews 7:26) His body was prepared by God, separate from the condemnation in Adam. (Hebrews 10:5) That which was begotten in the womb of Mary was by means of God's holy spirit — his figurative finger. (Matthew 1:20; 12:28; Luke 11:20)
Jesus did have a paternal biological link to David, since he was “born of a woman”, under the law. — Galatians 4:4.
Nevertheless, Jesus' body was prepared, formed, by God through the holy spirit. (Hebrews 10:5) If this were not true, and Jesus had the taint of the blood of sinful flesh, then he would have been born a sinner as all the rest of the world, and there has been nothing to give as a ransom for mankind.
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was like this; because when his mother, Mary, had been engaged to Joseph, before they came together, she was found pregnant by [Greek, ek, out of] the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 1:19 Joseph, her husband, being a righteous man, and not willing to make her a public example, intended to put her away secretly.
Matthew 1:20 But when he thought about these things, behold, an angel of [Yahweh] appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, don't be afraid to take to yourself Mary, your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 1:21 She shall bring forth a son. You shall call his name JESUS, for it is he who shall save his people from their sins.”
Luke 1:35 – The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the holy one which is born from you will be called the Son of God.
Hebrews 10:5 – Therefore when he [Messiah] comes into the world, he says [to his God], “Sacrifice and offering you didn't desire, But a body did you prepare for me.”
If Jesus had not come into this world in this special way, then he could not save his people from their sins, any more than one else could. The Psalmist declares of both the rich and the poor of mankind:
Psalm 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give God a ransom for him.
Psalm 49:8 For the redemption of their life is costly, No payment is ever enough,
Psalm 49:9 That he should live on forever, That he should not see corruption.Why? Because “through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners.” (Romans 5:19, New American Standard) Thus, God “gave them [mankind] up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting.” (Romans 1:28) So much so that Paul states: “Therefore you are without excuse, man, whoever you are who judge. For in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself. For you who judge practice the same things.” (Romans 2:1) And then he says:
Romans 3:9: We previously charged both Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin.
Romans 3:10 As it is written, “There is no one righteous. No, not one.
Romans 3:11 There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God.
Romand 3:12 They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not, so much as one.”
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Romans 3:22 For there is no distinction,
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of GodThus, by nature, mankind had become sons of wrath, children of disobedience. — Ephesians 2:2,3.
No one out of this sinful flesh could provide a ransom for even one of his brothers, much less for all mankind. How could one of such stock be the means to make that which is crooked straight [justified – righteous]?
Ecclesiastes 7:13 – Consider the work of God, for who can make that straight, which he has made crooked?
Yes, it would have to be a miracle from God to accomplish the justification — the making straight — of anyone. And, at the same time, it would have to vindicate God as just in all his works. Thus, the Mighty Logos was made flesh by means of divine power. Jesus' body was not brought forth from Adamic stock, for if it had been, he would have been just a sinful as all the sinful flesh around him. It was God who prepared the body of flesh for Jesus to offer in sacrifice. (Hebrews 10:5,10) Receiving a body different from sinful mankind, Jesus was seen in the flesh, a little lower than the angels, crowned with the glory of a perfect, sinless man. (Hebrews 2:9) Jesus, although he was in the form of a bondservant, suffering as though a sinner, in the likeness of man of sinful flesh, he actually did not receive the sin of mankind from Adam, nor its penalty death, as you and I have. (Romans 5:12-19; 6:23; 8:3; Philippians 2:7) While he was suffering in the likeness of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3), his flesh was not sinful, and unlike Adam, Jesus never sinned. Thus, as long as he didn't sin, he had the purchase price to buy back what Adam lost. How happy we can be that Jesus is the Amen, the faithful and true witness, that he was indeed faithful to God who anointed and appointed him. — Isaiah 61:1; Hebrews 3:2; Revelation 1:5.
Of course, Jesus did physically come out of the womb of Mary, a descendant of David, and thus was “out of the loins” of David, in the royal descent. Jesus is spoken of in the scriptures — that which has been revealed by the holy spirit — as the seed or son of Abraham, Judah and David. (Matthew 1:1; 22:42; Hebrews 7:1; Matthew 2:6; Romans 1:3; Galatians 3:16; 2 Timothy 2:8; Revelation 5:5; 22:16) Usually, when we think of a person being the son or descendant of someone, we think of them as being the literal blood descendant of that person. But does this mean that in order to fulfill the scriptures, Jesus had to be a literal descendancy of these three men by genes? By comparison of scriptures “spiritual with spiritual”, we come to the conclusion: no he did not. As pointed out before, if he was a literal genetic descendant of these, he would have the taint of sinful flesh, and could not have been either Israel's or man's redeemer. “None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him”. (Psalms 49:7) If Jesus had literal genetic fleshly ancestors dying in Adam (1 Corinthians 15:21,22) he would fall in this same category, as a descendant of Adam, and thus he would have been under that same condemnation of death. (Romans 5:12-19) But he was not genetically descended from Adam. He was the Logos, the Son of God. His body of flesh was prepared by his God, from which we can understand that that his body was not from the genes of either Joseph or Mary, and yet, biologically, he is a descendant of Mary, having been born from the womb of Mary.
The lineage and heritage is counted, as though it were (Luke 3:23; Romans 4:17), through Joseph, who was also a descendant of David (Matthew 1:1,6), as well as Adam. (Luke 3:38) Jesus could be referred to as the son of Joseph even as Moses was referred to as the son of Pharaoh's daughter. (Exodus 2:10; Acts 7:21; Hebrews 11:24) Moses, if he had so claimed such, could have become of royal descent; but he did not seek such temporal “treasures of Egypt”, but to a more lasting reward. — Hebrews 11:26.
To understand the matter of Jesus' birth as son of the man David, we need to get matters from the Yahweh's standpoint, for he calls things that are not as though they were. (Romans 4:17) He can make one as descendant who is not literally so by gene, and make those who are literally so by gene as though they are not. Thus, Jesus said to the Jewish leaders:
“If you were Abraham's children,
you would do the works of Abraham.” (John 8:39) By literal descent, these leaders were indeed Abraham's children, but Jesus indicates that because of their works, they were not his children. In the same manner, John the Baptizer stated to the Pharisees and Sadducees:“You offspring [seed, offspring] of vipers,… Don't think to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I tell you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.” (Matthew 3:7-9) Additionally, Paul says: “They are not all Israel, that are of Israel.” (Romans 9:6) To the general mind, this might sound self-contradictory; but Paul is speaking of things from God's standpoint, for God calls things that are not, as though they were. — Romans 4:17.
In God's sight the members of the Church are all children, or seed, or Abraham, although all are not such by literal genetic descent from Abraham. “If you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to promise.” (Galatians 3:29) It is quite immaterial whether one is literally genetically of Abraham or not. If one belongs to Christ, God grafts such a person into the covenant as a seed of Abraham no matter what the person's physical lineage by genes.
From the above scriptures we can see that to be a son of Abraham in God's sight one does not have to be a literal descendant of Abraham. Likewise, Jesus himself is the primary seed of Abraham (and Isaac, Jacob and David) in a different way, as Joseph's foster son, just as an adopted baby takes the name and relations of his foster parents. However, as the Son of God, who was to satisfy the justice of God, so that God could still be just and yet the justifier of the sinner (Romans 3:26), Jesus could not have Abraham, David or anyone else as a literal fleshly ancestor by physical gene.
Some might ask: “how could Jesus be sinless and perfect if his human mother was dying in Adam of sinful flesh?” As pointed out above, Jesus is not descended literally genetically from anyone on earth, that Abraham, Judah and David are not his genetical blood relations. But 50% of the genes in a normal birth come from the mother. In view of this would not Jesus indeed be a blood relation of these patriarchs through Mary?
Again, we go back to the point that it was God who prepared the body of Jesus, that it could be offering (Hebrews 10:10) — we conclude that none of Jesus' genes were actually of either parent — else he also would have been of sinful flesh.
Some claim that the blood of the mother mingles with a baby's blood during gestation. Generally, this is not true; while the mother's blood supplies the nourishment to the embryo, and the mother's blood receives elements of waste from the embryo, through a separation called the placenta; the actual blood itself is usually kept separate. We can safely assume, however, that the entire preparation of Jesus' body by God included the gestation period before his birth. Both Joseph and Mary were made the parents of Jesus by God, by God's appointment.
Mary was certainly his mother in the sense that she bore him, but not in the fullest sense, not a true genetic blood relation. Today, we find examples of women who bear a son that it not any blood relation at all to the woman who carries that baby. Many times today, the sperm from the father and an egg from the mother are combined in a test tube, and after two or three days when the tiny life has started to grow the embryo is implanted in the mother's womb. If things go well, in due time a baby results. In this case the genetical father and mother are the true parents. But the embryo could be implanted in an woman unrelated by genes, in which case the baby born to the woman would not be genetically related either to herself or her husband.
If the woman who bore the child had hereditary weaknesses or defective genes, it would not matter in the least, since none of her hereditary patterns would be passed onto the child. All she provides are the nutrients from her bloodstream to nurture the tiny babe in her womb for nine months, and the function of child-birth. Thus the child could be said to be from her womb, her loins, but none of her genes are passed to the child.
This modern procedure can help to one to understand how Jesus could be born of a woman, a member of the fallen race, and yet still be sinless and perfect. In this case the child born to Mary had but one true parent, his Heavenly Father, who was the actual provider of his body of flesh. (Hebrews 10:5) Since his body was prepared by God himself, even as was Adam's body (Genesis 2:7; See Romans 5:14), Jesus possessed no imperfections or weaknesses. I know that some claim, at least by implication, that the holy spirit impregnated an ovum produced by Marry, and that Mary's genes from her ovum did not count, since inheritance is usually from the father, not the mother, and that thus, Jesus did not inherit Adam's sin because of this. This could be true, but I don't see it that way. We need to look at all that the holy spirit has revealed on this. The scriptures reveal that it was God who prepared Jesus' body (Hebrews 10:5), and I believe that this important. Thus I conclude that God implanted an embryo itself in Mary's womb, a tiny complete life in itself, that did not involve an egg from Mary, nor any of the genes from Mary. Thus the child inherited none of Mary's weaknesses or blemishes by means of genes, and yet is from the womb, the loins, of Mary, and thus by heritage, of the loins of David.
Bear in mind that I do not believe that God was producing beginning of life for the Logos at the point of the conception in Mary's womb, but as the scripture says, God made the pre-human Logos into flesh. Jesus was with his God and Father before coming to the earth. (John 1:1,2; 17:1,3,5) Jesus said he was to return to where he was before. (John 6:62)
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http://hereafter.reslight.net/rm.htmlI believe that he who was rich in heavenly glory, left that heavenly glory to become poor on our behalf, a perfect, sinless example of humanity, with the crown of human glory intact. (2 Corinthians 8:9; John 17:5; Hebrews 2:9; Psalm 8:5) Thus the pre-human life properties of the LOGOS were condensed into a tiny embryo, resulting in a human life — a living human soul — totally free from any sinful traits. In this he left, emptied himself of, the glory that he had before he came to earth. — Philippians 2:7.
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Perfection is in the eyes of God and not our own. Those who return some value on the investment God made in them are given some reward but it is according to grace sought and given, not self effort.I am not sure what is being meant by the above, but this sounds as though it is saying that the rewards given to the believer have nothing to do with works. Faith without works is dead. And yet there it also by grace that anyone can work as co-workers with God and Jesus. One cannot do anything along this line on his own; he has to do this by means of submission to God's spirit, and by receiving the strength of God's spirit through Jesus.
John 15:5 You are the branches. He who remains in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
The fruitage borne is the fruitage of the spirit. — Galatians 5:22,23.
The reason we cannot do anything on our own is because due to Adam's sin, we have all, in our sinful flesh, been made crooked, unjust, not straight.
Ecclesiastes 1:15 That which is crooked can't be made straight; and that which is lacking can't be counted.
Ecclesiastes 7:13 Consider the work of God, for who can make that straight, which he has made crooked?
Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;The New Testament says much about works and labor in accordance with faith:
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http://tinyurl.com/2hj23xThrough Christ, however, we can do the works of the spirit.
Philippians 4:13 – I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.
Jesus, however, told of different degrees of fruitage produced. — Matthew 13:18.
Thus there are various rewards given according to what was done in the present body. — 2 Corinthians 5:10.
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God is fair so men are judged through a man who has walked among them and knows first hand the problems we face.Judgment begins with the house of God; the judgment of the world does not take place until the “last day”, when Satan is abyssed that he might not decieve the heathen. (2 Thessalonians 1:4,5; 1 Peter 4:17) God “has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness” — “the day of judgment and perdition [destruction] of ungodly men; but . . . do not be ignorant of this one thing, that one day with Yahweh is as a thousand years.” — Acts 17:31; 2 Peter 3:7,8; Psalm 90:4.
The believer can only receive the grace by tasting of the powers of the age to come. (Hebrews 6:5) The church is judged by a trial of faith in a hostile world, being yet possessed of a dying, sinful body, and in the enviroment of Satan's rulership over the present evil age, so that through that trial of faith he should be found worthy of praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. — 1 Peter 1:7.
Yes, Jesus endured such a trial of faith himself, and in such is like his followers, and thus can be sympathetic with his followers.
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The tribunal of Christ is one of reward for his followers and different from the sheep and goat judgement on the heathen nations.With this I agree. The followers of Jesus are raised first, and receive their rewards at various levels, so that they may rule with Jesus and judge the world of mankind with Jesus. Some will receive the highest reward as joint-heirs with Christ, so as to sit on the throne with Jesus, others will be rewarded as rulers (princes, governors) appointed to rule in the earth. — Psalm 45:16; Isaiah 2:2-4; 32:1; Romans 8:17; Revelation 3:21.
The sheep and goats are the world of mankind when brought back in the last day, the day of regeneration, when Jesus sits on the throne of his glory. — Matthew 19:28; 25:31.
Quote (ronday888 @ Feb. 11 2008,06:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2008,19:47) Hi RD,
Of course the life that Christ had in himself was that of the Spirit of the Father in him and he died that we may share that life.
It was not his own life.I am not sure what the import of the above is, so I will respond in somewhat general terms.
God, of course, being the source of all life, has life in himself. He is alive, without sin, without any condemnation of death upon him. God originally gave Adam life, so that it could have been said that in Adam was life. Having God as his father, Adam was indeed a living son of God, possessing life. (Luke 3:38) Adam did not hold onto that life, however, because he came under the condemnation of death due to sin. Thus, he and his offspring could no longer say that have life in themselves, life given from God, since mankind are in a dying condition.
Because God had specially prepared the body of Jesus (Hebrews 10:5), God had given to Jesus “life in himself” — in him was life. (John 1:4; 5:26) Thus, his life was in perfect equivalence with the life that Adam lost. Adam, being “a son of God” before he sinned (Luke 3:38), likewise had the full glory of God; thus, it could have also been said that he had “life in himself”, and, had he given birth to children before he sinned, then those children would have had life in them.
Jesus, however, suffered as though he had sinful flesh, and sacrificed that flesh in order that he might redeem mankind from death and hades. His being a sinless human son, as was Adam, before Adam sinned, allowed him to do this. Thus, it was to this man, Jesus, while he was still a human son, having life in himself from his God and Father, that “all judgment was given to him.” (John 5:22) Thus it was this man through whom God ordained that he was to judge the world of mankind in the last day. (Acts 17:31) The ordination came upon Jesus while he was still a man, a man having life in himself. Jesus, however, died, and was raised by God, not in the flesh, but in the spirit. While the ordination came while Jesus was still a man, while he was still in the days of his flesh, Jesus will no longer be a man when God comes to judge the world by means of him.
Nevertheless, it is given humans by means of faith, they may have life in themselves, for it was to humans that Jesus said: “Most assuredly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don't have life in yourselves.” — John 6:53.
Whatever Jesus meant by eating his flesh and drinking his blood, we can note that those who listened did not fully understand what he meant that this. Thus, many of the disciples said: “This is a hard saying! Who can hear it?” (John 6:60) Jesus said: “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life — that is, I will raise him up on the Last Day.” — John 6:54.
Earlier, Jesus had stated: “This is the will of my Father: that all who see the Son and trust in him should have eternal life, and that I should raise them up on the Last Day.” (John 6:40) Thus, eating his flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus is evidently in someway used figuratively of recognizing and trusting in the Son of God.
Jesus said: “As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he who feeds on me, he will also live because of me.” (John 6:57) And: “the spirit (breath) it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; the sayings that I speak to you are spirit {breath, force}, and they are life.” (John 6:63, Young's Literal) When God created man, He blew into man the breath, force, spirit, of life, and it was then the man became alive. (Genesis 2:7) Without that breath, without the spirit/force of life in a man, the body is dead. Thus James writes: “The body apart from the spirit is dead.” (James 2:26) Without the spirit, the force of life, from God, the body is dead. Without the spirit of life from God, Adam's body had no life.
Jesus is using this principle to illustrate his words, and the putting of faith in his words, when he says that his words are such a force, and through his words one can be made alive as Adam was alive. One is begotten anew by the word of truth. (James 1:18) Adam was not a son of disobedience, nor a son of wrath, when he was created. (Ephesians 2:2,3) He was indeed a living — not dying — son of God. (Luke 3:38) He could have lived forever had he obeyed. (Genesis 3:22) Likewise, through faith in the truths that Jesus proclaimed, one can be begotten again so as to be counted as alive, as Adam was alive, not dying, before Adam sinned, for Jesus, by his words, was proclaiming his death as the ransom to save the world of mankind. — Matthew 12:40; 16:21; 17:22,23; 20:18,19,28; Luke 19:10; 22:19; Mark 8:31; 9:31,32; 10:45; 33:34; Luke 9:22; 18:31-33; 24:7,44-46; John 3:16,17; 6:51,54.56; 12:47,48.
Thus, figuratively eating of Jesus' body and figuratively drinking his blood means to feed upon the words of Jesus, putting faith in him for salvation from sin and death through Adam. (Acts 13:39; Romans 3:25; 5:1,14-19; Hebrews 10:10) Thus, Paul said: “I live by faith in the Son of God.” (Galatians 2:20) Therefore, “being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.” It is through faith that one eats of his body and drinks of his blood that one may be sanctified (consecrated) by means of the offering of Jesus' body and the offering of blood of the new covenant. (Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:19,20; 1 Corinthians 11:24,25; Hebrews 10:10,29) And one having come under the protection of his blood, one must remain in his word in order to remain in Christ. — John 8:31; 15:4.
Hi RD,
Adam was given life, but not eternal life[zoe]. He did not eat of the tree of life.
Jn 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.[zoe2222]
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.[zoe2222]So the living sons of Adam were offered eternal life.
Christ was born a son of Adam[man] and did not receive the life he could give to us till it had been given to him at his anointing with the Spirit of Life at the Jordan. This life was in him and can be also in us.Rom 8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 07 2008,21:01) Hi RD,
So the order from Rev 20
is
The 1000 yr reign free from Satan's influence
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
The rebellion
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
The Judgement of Satan
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.The second resurrection then the Judgement of the nations when all remaining in the graves or in the sea are raised.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
As I have already shown from the scriptures, both resurrections take place in the same “last day”. The unbelieving world, saved by means of Jesus' ransom sacrifice, are brought forth for judgment during, not after, “the last day”. — John 12:47,48.
As I further pointed out, the Revelation, as with other prophetic books, is not always given in exact chronological order. One line of thought may be taken to a conclusion in the time fulfillment, and then the next verse may revert back to the beginning or an earlier time that the verse preceeding it.
The judgment, the authority to judge, is given to the saints at the beginning the thousand years, so that they may participate with Jesus in the day of the regeneration, that is, the “last day”, with the judging of the world of mankind. Thus the dead are raised *after* the saints, but are still raised in that same “last day”, not after that “last day”.
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