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Quote (thethinker @ July 29 2009,03:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 28 2009,07:10) Quote (thethinker @ July 28 2009,04:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 27 2009,20:00) Quote (thethinker @ July 27 2009,19:38) bodhitharta said: Quote I not only touched verses 1-6 I showed and taught you that Paul was preaching to the choir that he ought not have to teach the choir repentance and all the most obvious teachings of Christ. Sometimes you just need to admit when you have been shown the truth otherwise you will go to hell because of your vanity.
You showed nothing but assumed everything. Paul said that salvation is by faith alone. This is new covenant. Repentance is old covenant. This is why we are to leave that and move on to maturity. You do not have an ounce of God's new covenant ways in you. Hebrews 6 clearly says that we are to LEAVE the elementary doctrines of Christ. Repentance is one of those doctrines. The new covenant train has come. Get on board!
thinker
So when you sin you don't repent at all
“The just shall live by faith“thinker
Do you pray and if so why since you believe it's elementary.
Prayer is not mentioned as being among those doctrines we should leave. However, the “Lord's prayer” is not for today. We are not to pray for the kingdom to come now. It came when Christ was exalted to God's right hand. We are not required to forgive our brother to gain God's forgiveness now. We forgive our brother because we have already been forgiven. We don't say “Our Father who art in heaven” now. We have the spirit of adoption and He is in our hearts. He is immanent!We are not under the old covenant manner of prayer that Jesus gave His disciples. We are under the new covenant which says, “I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and I will remember their sins no more” (Heb.8:10-12). In the “Lord's prayer” this was not true. In the “Lord's prayer” God would remember your sins (Matt. 6:14). Therefore, the “Lord's prayer” is old covenant.
I pray according to God's new covenant principles. But in the worship service I will NOT cite the old covenant prayer that Jesus gave His disciples. The Father is NOT in heaven. He is in my heart. I do not ask for the kingdom to come. I am in the kingdom of God. I do not ask for forgiveness. I forgive BECAUSE I have been forgiven already.
thinker
Your post for the most part is a good post the way I perceived it at least.Yes, be merciful and understand that God is very close to you and not in some far off place. Yes be compassionate for the sake of compassion itself.
This is Islam coming to God in peace and understanding Allah is Most Merciful and Most Compassionate.
Yes, Love because love has already been given to you.
You don't need threats of hell to do what's right because Christ has led you to the Father and that is beautiful so why not purify your beliefs by understanding that Jesus has led you to the throne of God and stop calling Jesus God, if you won't listen to me because of your misunderstanding Islam then listen to Nick or Gene or Not 3in1 or Adam
bodhitharta said:
Quote Your post for the most part is a good post the way I perceived it at least. Yes, be merciful and understand that God is very close to you and not in some far off place. Yes be compassionate for the sake of compassion itself.
This is Islam coming to God in peace and understanding Allah is Most Merciful and Most Compassionate.
Yes, Love because love has already been given to you.
bd,
I don't understand you. Islam is a religion of hate and you tell me my post was good.
Quote You don't need threats of hell to do what's right because Christ has led you to the Father and that is beautiful so why not purify your beliefs by understanding that Jesus has led you to the throne of God and stop calling Jesus God, if you won't listen to me because of your misunderstanding Islam then listen to Nick or Gene or Not 3in1 or Adam I won't listen to them because they don't speak the truth. Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2009,11:05) Hi BD,
But your god is not ours so why try to help the confused?
My God is the God of Jesus and there is no other god but God and Muhammad was also His prophet the Spirit of truth who spoke about Jesus and confirmed the Gospel.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2009,11:05) Hi TT,
Is Paul greater than Jesus and his words purer?
Paul's words are the words of Jesus. Paul claimed that His words were the revelation of Christ to him. Paul's words were the words of God's new covenant principles. Paul's words are for today.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2009,11:06) Hi TT,
If Paul is greater than your god Jesus what will you call Paul?
Ridiculous assertion Nick. Paul claimed several times that His teachings came from Christ.thinker
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 29 2009,15:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2009,11:05) Hi BD,
But your god is not ours so why try to help the confused?
My God is the God of Jesus and there is no other god but God and Muhammad was also His prophet the Spirit of truth who spoke about Jesus and confirmed the Gospel.
Hmmmm….I wonder why Jesus never spoke about Allah? thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 29 2009,19:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 29 2009,15:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2009,11:05) Hi BD,
But your god is not ours so why try to help the confused?
My God is the God of Jesus and there is no other god but God and Muhammad was also His prophet the Spirit of truth who spoke about Jesus and confirmed the Gospel.
Hmmmm….I wonder why Jesus never spoke about Allah? thinker
I wonder why Jesus never heard the name “Jesus”Quote (bodhitharta @ July 29 2009,19:50) Quote (thethinker @ July 29 2009,19:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 29 2009,15:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2009,11:05) Hi BD,
But your god is not ours so why try to help the confused?
My God is the God of Jesus and there is no other god but God and Muhammad was also His prophet the Spirit of truth who spoke about Jesus and confirmed the Gospel.
Hmmmm….I wonder why Jesus never spoke about Allah? thinker
I wonder why Jesus never heard the name “Jesus”Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,21:45) bodhitharta said: Quote Of course thinker believes that everything Jesus said was part of the old covenant and we should not be following Christ's teachings. I make no apologies for what I believe. Explain Hebrews 6:1-6. It clearly says that we should LEAVE the elementary doctrines of Christ and move on to maturity. The book of Hebrews elsewhere calls Christ's teachings “milk” and that we should go on to the meat of biblical doctrine. Paul is the server of the meat. Jesus prepared us for Paul whom you say is a liar.
Example: Jesus taught that our being forgiven by God was conditional upon our forgiving others. This is old covenant. Paul taught that we forgive others because we have already been forgiven. This is new covenant. Hebrews 6 explicitly says that those who have entered into the new covenant age and afterwards draw back to the elementary teachings of Christ are apostates. It amounts to crucifying the Son of God again.
Paul is the final word on gospel truth. The teachings of Christ were only prepatory to Paul. We need to get with God's new covenant principles and not be bogged down by bodhitharta and other modern day Judaizers.
thinker
I agree with you thinker, it's like I was saying in another thread about the Pope because the Church revealed the mystery of the trinity after Jesus.That's why the Pope is so important because he receives all the current spiritual instructions so from Pope to Pope not just pick and choose like so many Christians do today who have a lot of self-appointed pastors that are not sanctioned by the Holy see
Hi EF,
You may not have read it but Jesus said to call no man teacher and to build on his doctrines.
He also told us the Spirit would not speak on His own initiative but remind us of the words of Jesus.
So far you have told us you follow the pope and other men with new revelations so which spirit are they of?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,05:59) Hi EF,
You may not have read it but Jesus said to call no man teacher and to build on his doctrines.
He also told us the Spirit would not speak on His own initiative but remind us of the words of Jesus.
So far you have told us you follow the pope and other men with new revelations so which spirit are they of?
Nick,You are confused you say those things to EF and yet Paul definitely called timothy “his” spiritual son, set up overseers/bishops, he literally altered the entire theology of Christ and on top of that he prophesied that God called Jesus “God”.
Jesus clearly said call no man Father but Paul calls his self Father and you agree with him over Jesus
Hi BD,
And Jesus called his brothers his children.
The Spirit of God is what makes men sons of God in Christ.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,08:07) Hi BD,
And Jesus called his brothers his children.
The Spirit of God is what makes men sons of God in Christ.
When did Jesus call his brothers his children?Are you saying Paul is right and he was in-fact timothy's Spiritual Father?
If you say yes, then you should embrace Catholicism
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,09:09) Hi BD,
Jn21.5
Hick,Jesus called them children not “his” children and they were not even aware they were talking to Jesus so nice try but no cigar. Paul directly said he was someones spiritual Father just like the priests of the Catholic church do today.
Jesus said it is wrong to do it but you are like thinker and believe that Paul's words are more “mature” than those of Jesus.
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