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Hi,
The woman at the well in Jn 4 expressed the truth that there was a prophet who was promised.
Jn 4
'19The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
Christ is that promised prophet, a MAN sent by God.
Acts 3:22
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Acts 3:23
And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Acts 7:37
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.Prophets serve God.
They are not God.Hi ,
Of course if Christ is the prophet of God, he is not the God, or a part of the God of Whom he is a prophet.Because He did not count equality with God something to be grasped, but humbled Himself and was found in the form of a servant.
Hi Nick,
The Son is equal to the Father. They are one. They are God. (John 17:3, John 20:28). The Son chose not to give up His equality with the Father by becoming a man, a servant, and obeying the Father to the point of death on the cross.
Tim
Dangit, in the above post, read, “The Song chose to give up …”
The “not” is a typo
You're gonna haunt me with this for weeks, aren't you Nick?
Yes Nick. I believe we should follow Jesus in worshipping His God. We agree.
It just so happens that Jesus is not only a man who leads us in worship of God, but He is also God. Pretty amazing right?
Hi Tim2,
So we should have some scriptural evidence then that he worshiped himself.
Can you help find it?Once again Nick, if you can't defeat Trinitarianism, you pretend it's modalism. I agree. Modalism isn't true. But I believe in the Trinity. Three persons are God. The Son took on flesh and worshipped the Father, to show His adopted brethren how to worship God in spirit and truth. The Son also directed worship to Himself. John 5:23. And He also receives the same worship as the Father. Revelation 5:13.
I might add, isn't it ironic that the one who believes the Spirit is a manifestation of God accuses me of modalism?
Tim
Hi Tim2,
So he showed others how to worship God who is the Father.
So why do you say he is God and we should worship him instead?Hi,
Elisha and Peter raised men from the dead like Jesus.
By Whose power? Their own? No that of God with them.
Why do some say Christ did miracles by his own power?Acts 10
” 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. “
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,17:41) Hi Tim2,
So God was not equal with God?
I do not understand.
Where is your scriptural support that tells us Jesus is NOT God?I mean, I can show you where there were those who believed he was saying he was God, can you show me, in any instance, where he denied it?? And don't even start quoting “Son of God” verses, because one of those they threaten to stone him for making himself “equal” with God (as the Son of God).
Interesting isn't it? The trinitarian view is that all three members of the Godhead are “equally” God. Hmmm.
The title “Son of man” is obviously no problem in your doctrine, why then isn't the title “Son of God” a problem for you? After all, it was a problem for the Jewish leadership of Jesus day?
Jesus calling himself Son of God makes him equal with God. Obviously because if the son of a human is equal in nature to a human Father, so too is the Son of God equal in nature to God the Father. Pretty simple actually. :shrug
Hi LAM,
You say
” Where is your scriptural support that tells us Jesus is NOT God?”
Then you say“Jesus calling himself Son of God makes him equal with God. Obviously because if the son of a human is equal in nature to a human Father, so too is the Son of God equal in nature to God the Father. “
You need to make up your mind.
If he is equal with God
then he is not the God
with whom he is equal.shrug
,Hi LAM,
There is no scriptural support for saying Moses or Paul or Peter is not God either-so what?
Jesus never said he is God but lots of his enemies thought such silly things, and killed him.
There is, however, a lot of scriptural support for the thought that Jesus is the Son of God.eg from
God,
Jesus,
Peter,
Paul,
Martha,
John,
Soldiers at the foot of the cross etc etc2Peter 1
” 16For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.”
It seems a pretty strong case.
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