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Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 31 2011,05:36) Hi Kerwin,
Maybe it wasn't rebellion against God, maybe it was curiosity and ignorance. Adam was there with her when she ate the fruit(accepted the knowledge) and saw she wasn't dead. Maybe he thought “Hmmm, I wonder why she isn't dead now”. Maybe it's because when God said they would die they didn't ask how they would die, when they would die, what they would die to. So out of there own ignorance they decided to partake of the fruit(knowledge). Maybe they weren't aware of the fact that they would die to being in God's presence and guidance continually. You are a deep thinker. Please ponder this.With Love and Respect,
Wispring
I hope to be a man of faith and if I saw someone commit an action that God stated would kill them and it did not kill them immediately like I thought then I would realize my thoughts were mistaken and ponder on what God really meant.A man of faith does not doubt God though they do doubt themselves.
Since such a man realizes God's commands are loving they will not test them by disobedience.
Note: I use man to mean human.
You do introduce the idea of both Adam and Eve being ignorant of the cost of their actions and there may be some truth in that. I am just not sure how unless they did not know that God is a loving God.
Hi Pierre,
Quote You do introduce the idea of both Adam and Eve being ignorant of the cost of their actions and there may be some truth in that. I am just not sure how unless they did not know that God is a loving God.
Hi Pierre,Or they had not not yet recieved the teaching of the full scope of consequences received for anyone not living by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the God.
With Love and Respect,
WispringWispring,
I do not believe knowledge of the consequences is necessary if you know God is love. If you know God is love then you realize that his commands are born out of that love. For some reason they seem to have been ignorant of who he was.
That may be why it was the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They did good but did not have the knowlede of good. The knowledge of evil seems to be linked to the knowledge of good but the result of doing evil is death.
Hi Kerwin,
I submit that Adam and Eve were not aware of the power of God's spoken word. It is the truth. He merely has to say “Let it be” and it is of truth actual reality. They were unaware of truth and falsehood because it is a fruit or consequence of the knowledge of good and evil. Imagine the kind of mind and awareness one would have without knowledge of good and evil wherein all perceived reality simply is; with no thought as to it being evil or good. Sure, things might be safe or unsafe. Life threatening or not, but, no discernment mentally of either good or evil. There would be no sinful or righteous behaviour. There would simply be behaviour. Natural human behaviour with no moral compass based on a “evil alongside good” double-mindedness would exist because in this respect that would at one with God in all the knowledge God gave them. I like to contemplate on that state of mind. It had to be very much like the mind that is in Christ because if they never ate from the tree of good and evil then the mind that is in Christ would have never needed to be brought forth from God to do and teach all the things that Christ did and does. Those with the Christ mind overcome the evil of this world as if it never existed. Do you perceive the strong parallels here that I am expressing with spirit of my words?With Love and Respect,
WispringWispring,
The story of the fall also states if man ate from the tree of life after eating from the tree of good and evil would become like Elohim. The would thus know how to commit both good and evil deeds and would also be immortal. Since God did not see this as a good thing I am of the opinion that man would have become like Satan and not like Christ.
Jesus does have the knowledge of good and evil and chose to to good through faith is God. I hypothosize that Adam and Eve did good out of ignorance before they gained the knowledge how to do good and evil. I conclude that learning to distinquish how to do good and evil is part of human kind growing up.
Kerwin,
I conclude that dissolving the double-mindednes that the knowledge of good and evil brings to a mind through love and faith God, Jesus, and one another is part and parcel of the new covenant that Jesus brought to us. He accomplished this. He lived this.Quote Luke 11:34 (King James Version) 34The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
Quote James 1:5-10 (King James Version) 5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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James 4:7-8 (King James Version)7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
If you cannot comprehed or see or discern what I am communicating to you now then OK. Peace be upon you.
With Love and Respect,
WispringQuote (Wispring @ Mar. 31 2011,22:23) Hi Kerwin,
I submit that Adam and Eve were not aware of the power of God's spoken word. It is the truth. He merely has to say “Let it be” and it is of truth actual reality. They were unaware of truth and falsehood because it is a fruit or consequence of the knowledge of good and evil. Imagine the kind of mind and awareness one would have without knowledge of good and evil wherein all perceived reality simply is; with no thought as to it being evil or good. Sure, things might be safe or unsafe. Life threatening or not, but, no discernment mentally of either good or evil. There would be no sinful or righteous behaviour. There would simply be behaviour. Natural human behaviour with no moral compass based on a “evil alongside good” double-mindedness would exist because in this respect that would at one with God in all the knowledge God gave them. I like to contemplate on that state of mind. It had to be very much like the mind that is in Christ because if they never ate from the tree of good and evil then the mind that is in Christ would have never needed to be brought forth from God to do and teach all the things that Christ did and does. Those with the Christ mind overcome the evil of this world as if it never existed. Do you perceive the strong parallels here that I am expressing with spirit of my words?With Love and Respect,
Wispring
Wispring: Whoever you are, that is one of the most accurate declarations of what I believe to be abolute truth I have read to date. That is the picture I perceived but could not express so eloquently and accurately.With no discernment, mentally of either good or evil, evil does not exist. All mans problems came from believing evil could exist. Evil was mans illusion of truth. Evil would not be further created without a basis to spring forth from. A creator such as man. It is a mental illusion. Man believed it was truth so to him is was truth but an illusion of truth, not God truth. Out of heart out of mind. If you don't think it you can't create it.
If one is sitting in a room, fully conscious of everything except the snake under their chair, that snake will have no bearing on that person at all, without their awarness of its presence/existence!
Evil is the great deceiver then. The lie against the truth. The illusion that has bound man from the truth from the garden to now. Evil is the lie! There is only good/God from the beginning.
Mankind has contemplated, created, manifested and labeled evil. That was the fall of man away from God. Now the return to ONENESS. God came and recreated perfection in man's mind by pronouncing perfection through Jesus. As a man believeth in his heart so he is.
When we believe we are pure and clean and have no sin that is what we have been made through Jesus. The last enemy is death. Death came from evil. No evil/ No death. Eternal life unveils to the believer. It only left the conscious awareness by being covered up with lies and deceptions. Temptations to disbelieve the truth, pure eternal life.
I haven't the words to express right now.
Thank you for the life in the truth from the post above. IMO, TKHi Tim,
I consider myself to be a humble servent of the one true God of the universe. Any life I express he as given to me, any spiritual truth I express he has given to me. All glory goes to God. I do not possess all of God's truth. I have only what he has in his mercy revealed to me. I am not negating God's plan as it has unfolded through history or how it unfolds in anyones life.God forbid! I am only sharing with Kerwin spiritual insights that do not conflict with scripture. I do not intellectualise God, thus making a false image of God. Sure, I think about God, sure I think about scripture. God is a living spirit. He is vital, dynamic, wonderful and much more. I am always in awe of God. He more than I can ever percieve. That's OK, I love him just the same. I declare Jesus Christ came in the flesh to show us the way to God so that they can both be in our lives now and forever. It's nice just to type this stuff in this web-site.
By the way, your last post wasn't to shabby either. lol. Neither was yours Kerwin. Listen I am not saying Adam and Eve had the Christ mind, I was just noting the similarities. If they had the Christ mind they wouldn't have eaten the fruit in the first place! They were, as we all are, God's works in progress.With Love and Respect,
WispringTo all: The promise of God through Jesus is that we can know the truth of God and it WILL MAKE US FREE from rules, regulations, rituals, or any impedance of any kind. There is a requirement. You must believe God is (most all do) AND YOU MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS A REWARDER OF THOSE THAT DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM!!!
You cannot work your way to God by good physical works. You can only come to God by faith! Therefore one cannot fall away from God by physical works, bad or good. Believing he is in your mind/heart is a choice at all times. Believing he hears you is also a choice as is believing he is everywhere! If he isn't everywhere at all times, you might think you are in a place where he is not. That cannot be. God is everywhere. God is spirit, life, good, joy, love, peace, and he is everywhere. God is the life force that creates more life, love, good, joy etc. God is absolute truth. There is no opposite to absolute. There is however, an adversary of truth. Non-truth is an adversary to the truth. Non-truth is believing anything that doesn't align with God's truth. If God didn't say it through Jesus it is non-truth. The opposite or adversary to truth would say anything contrary to God's words. God's words of truth are not much challenged in the mainstream of life. The truth of God is mostly challenged in the physical, man made buildings called churches which is not the truth. The truth church is made without hands. It is made by God.
So the truth of God is met with the adversary of the truth mostly in a false church made by man. Like energies attract like evergies. If the energies of lies, deception and adversarial truth are predominate in the false church, that is the energy that will be attracted to that building at that time. Whereever Gods love is united in expression there is a powerful attraction like bugs to light.
The adversary of truth or non-truth attempts to steal, kill and destroy, THE TRUTH. Non-truth can only have expression through a human being. It has no means of expression without a son of God allowing it. Sons of God can express whatever they choose to express. If they express evil or any forms of death and destruction they will reap that which they sow. If they sow life and God then that is what they will reap. No other laws, rules, rituals, new moons, feast days, fast days, rights or wrongs are necessary. Now we go, sowing and reaping either life or death. Those with awareness have choice. Those who pay no attention still reap what they choose but don't know how to change their life pattern. Just some thoughts. IMO, TK
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