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1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
This verse tells of the sprinkling of blood for the remission of sins. It is what cleanses us of our sins. It is the baptism in the blood of Christ. The verse below tell us that the water baptism is the sybolic occurance that has happened to the man. It is for a good concience toward God.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Hi H,
Keep searching but you will never find sprinkling in the blood written as baptism.That is because it is the divine response of inner cleansing,
in response to our sincere and repentant asking for forgiveness from God,
in the obedient submission to water baptism,
before God, angels and menNick, I don't know what else I can do to show you. I showed you Peter. It talks about the baptism that saves, and it is not referring to water. You youself have admitted water does not save. So what baptism is it talking about in Peter? There is one baptism that saves us.
Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Hi H,
Yes you keep confusing the name for the external sign with the internal cleansing by God.
The path for you is pretty plain here as God is not a God of confusion.Nick, it is man who makes getting to God complicated. All God wants is for us to remove the vail from our hearts by the sprinkling of the unblemished lamb, by the baptism that saves us as told in 1 Peter 3:21.
I am not confusing the external sign with the internal, for Peter is referring to both. He tells how the water baptism is the figure or symbol of the baptism that saves us and that is gives us a good concience towards God.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ June 28 2006,23:56) Nick, it is man who makes getting to God complicated. All God wants is for us to remove the vail from our hearts by the sprinkling of the unblemished lamb, by the baptism that saves us as told in 1 Peter 3:21. I am not confusing the external sign with the internal, for Peter is referring to both. He tells how the water baptism is the figure or symbol of the baptism that saves us and that is gives us a good concience towards God.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Hi H,
So we remove the veil?
We wash ourselves in the blood of the Lamb?
Do we arrange our own forgiveness by God?
Does God have any part to play in this situation?1Peter 3 tells us [in other versions] it is appeal to God for a cleansing of our conscience. Forgiveness and cleansing is the work of God and not man surely?
Why do you heckle me Nick. You know that by asking for forgiveness of our sins, that God washes our sin away with the blood of his son. If a man does not confess with his lips that he is a sinner and ask for forgiveness, how will he be forgiven?
Acts 22:16 Now why do you wait? Arise, be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;
Hi H,
Anyone just has to ask God and God always forgives their sins?
Not so or Jesus would not have to die.God sovereignly responds to our appeal for forgiveness in submission to His demand for repentance and baptism in Water.
“Arise and be baptised and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord”
encompasses our appeal for forgiveness and the promised response of God.
They go together.Heb 10.22
“let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith,
HAVING OUR HEARTS SPRINKLED CLEAN FROM AN EVIL CONSCIENCE
and
OUR BODIES WASHED WITH PURE WATER
Hold fast to the confession of our hope without wavering,
for He who has promised is fathful”God has aligned these matters.
We should not separate what he has joined together.And beyond what is the WAY there is also the mercy of God.
Nick, just yersterday, you admitted that water baptism does not save us. Are you changing again today? People here listen to you and yet why? You can't be one thing one day and then one thing another day.
I thought we settled this yesterday. Water baptism does not save. It is the blood that saves. It is the blood that washes away our sins. Why do you continue to ravel in this?
I believe that a man must be born again. If he does not get baptized in water and if he does not recieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit, he will not lose his salvation, but it will be incredible difficult for the man to live his life of faith to completion. The baptisms are the full armor of the faith. They are the power of the faith. They are the obedience of the faith. They should be done, but one will not lose his salvation if it is not done.
HI,
If you read it again you will realise it was baptism
without faith,
without repentance and
without the inner cleansing by Godis nothing more than empty ritual and magic.
The Whore has made a practice of this magic and convinced millions that infant baptism saved them… sadly.
This talk on health, whether it's healthy or not, doesn't really matter. God's word commands that we not forsake the gathering of ourselves together, as some do. Some do forsake the gathering of themselves together. True Christians are not to be like this. They would be a brotherhood, united.
And no Nick, of course it wouldn't apply to all religions. But let's reverse it. If you don't gather together, if you find yourself a loner, and don't belong to a congregation, and don't congregate (come together) then wouldn't you be one of the ones who are “forsaking the gathering” of yourself together with fellow believers?
Yes Nick, your point is taken: Just because you gather together does not you a true Christian make.
But here is an equally true point: If you disregard this command of God, what would that make you?david
Hi david,
I did not forsake true fellowship, in case you would like to judge me, but left the Whore and later was asked to leave my housegroup because I would not accept that their traditions were equal to the Word of God.Quote Hi david,
I did not forsake true fellowship, in case you would like to judge me, but left the Whore and later was asked to leave my housegroup because I would not accept that their traditions were equal to the Word of God.And I commend you for that. Yet, that command remains. Why would God command something that apparently, we are unable to fulfill without accepting false doctrines? He wouldn't.
Nick, if you ever did find that group that believed the truth, I get the feeling that you would reject it because it's organized. This, is my personal gripe with what you seem to believe. In my mind, you believe that no group that once a group becomes organized, it is automatically wrong, based soley on this.
Hi david,
Do not judge as we all have different roles in the body.
Paul did not have regular fellowship as you would teach it.Was he wrong to travel and preach the gospel to the gentiles?
Do you judge him too?Quote Do not judge as we all have different roles in the body.
Paul did not have regular fellowship as you would teach it.Was he wrong to travel and preach the gospel to the gentiles?
Do you judge him too?If someone where to say: “I don't need to gather together with fellow believers.”
And If the Bible says: 'do not forsake the gathering of yourself together as some have the custom…'And then I say: What's up?
Is that judging?
Paul was an “apostle to the nations.” (rom 11:13), and a travelling representative for the governing body of Christians at that time.
ACTS 9:15
“But the Lord said to him: “Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel.”EPHESIANS 3:8
“To me, a man less than the least of all holy ones, this undeserved kindness was given, that I should declare to the nations the good news about the unfathomable riches of the Christ”Of course, Nick, I would not judge Paul. But if he were here, wouldn't he say to listen to the words found at Hebrew 10:24,25?
Hi david,
True fellowship is with the Father and His son[1Jn 1] and God builds His human fellowships around this family love. We should not try to help Him by setting up our own denominational groups including the unsaved and share the table with demons.Amen H,
If you are referring to water baptism as works,
well, yes it is,
but it is not the works of the baptised,
but the obedient works of the saved baptisers.The Whore has made a practice of this magic and convinced millions that infant baptism saved them… sadly.
Interesting comment. Look at the religions that still are held in bondage by that tradition today. The church of Christ and some baptist churches still believe baptism saves.
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