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Hi TJ,
We are not under the Law BECAUSE Jesus has fulfilled it and inherited for those in him.Rom3
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.Hi TJ,
Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.Galatians 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.Just because Jesus taught about the Law to those who questioned him does not mean he was applying it to all.
Just because the law will never pass away does not mean that is remains in force.
Just because it remains does not mean that it now applies to the gentiles.
It is impossible to be committed to the OT LAW and the new Law of the Spirit of freedom.
The new is the reverse polarity of the Old.
It reflects the old negative law with it's admonitions in a positive light of love.
But if you allow the law of the Spirit to operate in you you will satisfy the old in God's eyes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 25 2008,07:04) Hi TJ,
Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.Galatians 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.Just because Jesus taught about the Law to those who questioned him does not mean he was applying it to all.
Just because the law will never pass away does not mean that is remains in force.
Just because it remains does not mean that it now applies to the gentiles.
It is impossible to be committed to the OT LAW and the new Law of the Spirit of freedom.
The new is the reverse polarity of the Old.
It reflects the old negative law with it's admonitions in a positive light of love.
But if you allow the law of the Spirit to operate in you you will satisfy the old in God's eyes.
Greetings Nick…..You present a compeling argument as usual and once again you site scripture,which in some applications support your belief,but for the most part are contradictory…My question to you is,Where in Jesus' teachings does he abolish the law and excuse humanity from being subject to it….My faith is dictated by the promises God has made for those who keep his commandments,specifically the good understanding that we are promised if we keep his law….When we speak in terms of polarity,the principle that governs polarity dictates that both positive and negative forces constitute the entirety of the principle/theory…..Hi TJ,
He did not abolish the law.
But as Rom3 tells us we were NEVER under that Law.
Those promises belongs to the the jews and we cannot apply them to ourselves as gentiles.Greetings Nick…..Who is a jew?….A decendent of the tribe of Judah is a pedigree Jew by blood,however,any one who keeps Gods law or statutes is indeed a spiritual jew and is circumsized spiritually….If iam not mistaken Jesus explained this to the apostles….What do you think ??
Hi TJ,
Rom2
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:Gentiles do not become Jews even by obedience to the Spirit of the Law.
There is a new Circumcision that is not of the flesh and unites Jew and gentile into Christ-baptism.
Col2
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 25 2008,17:25) Hi TJ,
He did not abolish the law.
But as Rom3 tells us we were NEVER under that Law.
Those promises belongs to the the jews and we cannot apply them to ourselves as gentiles.
Greetings Nick…..If Iam not mistaken….Was not the law given to the children of Israel,consisting of twelve tribes of which the Jews ( Judah ) were one of them….If this be the case …than why would the law only apply to one tribe…Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 26 2008,14:51) Hi TJ,
Do you think that is what is meant when people speak of the Jews,just the tribe of Judah?
Greetings Nick…..The Jews are the decendants of the tribe of Judah….That is their pedigree…The tribes of Benjimen and Levi are part of the populus that makes up the country of Israel…These two tribes are considered Jews,however ,they still maintain their tribal roots and their ancient identity…When the law was given to the children of Israel God was very clear as to his intention,…He said that these laws/statutes were to be remain holy and in addition they were forever (from Generation to Generation even unto forever)…I do not see any exceptions be it jews or gentiles…The Jews are nothing more than the instrument God chose to deliver his law to the rest of the world….And as we know they failed and the proof of that is all the religious confusion that exists in the world today…Hi TJ,
The law was given to the chosen people.
The OT law applies only to those to who it was given.
The gentiles were never found among the chosen people of God.
The continued existence of that law does not mean that it now applies to all.
No gentile can hope to inherit the kingdom through faithful observance of the OT law.That is not to say it does not have great value for all reflecting the hopes and expectations of God.
But it does not give righteousness but only points out sin, and through showing guilt, death.Those who are found among the sons of God have already inherited in the faithful observance of Jesus.
Sin that leads to condemnation is not ascribed to Jesus or to those found in him.
They have inscribed on their hearts the new Spirit law of love.
They can sin but sin should not lead to deathTheodorej I have a tread that addresses about the Law and the Covenants that God made with so many People. The Law of Moses was given to Israel as a perpetual Covenant between Them and God. I will bring it up for you.
Love IreneQuote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 27 2008,06:44) Hi TJ,
The law was given to the chosen people.
The OT law applies only to those to who it was given.
The gentiles were never found among the chosen people of God.
The continued existence of that law does not mean that it now applies to all.
No gentile can hope to inherit the kingdom through faithful observance of the OT law.That is not to say it does not have great value for all reflecting the hopes and expectations of God.
But it does not give righteousness but only points out sin, and through showing guilt, death.Those who are found among the sons of God have already inherited in the faithful observance of Jesus.
Sin that leads to condemnation is not ascribed to Jesus or to those found in him.
They have inscribed on their hearts the new Spirit law of love.
They can sin but sin should not lead to death
Greetings Nick…..From what I can gleen from your response is that all those who are considered rightous and abide in Jesus are saved and they cannot inherit condemnation….If this be true than what is the purpose of the ressurection…Jesus' ministry was directed towards the Jew,However,the apostles were commissioned to travel the world and bring the good news to the gentile as well as the remnant of Israel which had been removed from Gods sight..And I might add it is duly noted through out all the Gospels of the Apostles that Gods Holy Days were kept and these Gospels post date the ressurection…..Quote (Tiffany @ Aug. 27 2008,07:26) Theodorej I have a tread that addresses about the Law and the Covenants that God made with so many People. The Law of Moses was given to Israel as a perpetual Covenant between Them and God. I will bring it up for you.
Love Irene
Greetings Irene/Tiffany……Hope all is well with you….This is a subject that has had my attention for a good long time….thanks I will seek it out….TJQuote (theodorej @ Aug. 28 2008,00:23) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 27 2008,06:44) Hi TJ,
The law was given to the chosen people.
The OT law applies only to those to who it was given.
The gentiles were never found among the chosen people of God.
The continued existence of that law does not mean that it now applies to all.
No gentile can hope to inherit the kingdom through faithful observance of the OT law.That is not to say it does not have great value for all reflecting the hopes and expectations of God.
But it does not give righteousness but only points out sin, and through showing guilt, death.Those who are found among the sons of God have already inherited in the faithful observance of Jesus.
Sin that leads to condemnation is not ascribed to Jesus or to those found in him.
They have inscribed on their hearts the new Spirit law of love.
They can sin but sin should not lead to death
Greetings Nick…..From what I can gleen from your response is that all those who are considered rightous and abide in Jesus are saved and they cannot inherit condemnation….If this be true than what is the purpose of the ressurection…Jesus' ministry was directed towards the Jew,However,the apostles were commissioned to travel the world and bring the good news to the gentile as well as the remnant of Israel which had been removed from Gods sight..And I might add it is duly noted through out all the Gospels of the Apostles that Gods Holy Days were kept and these Gospels post date the ressurection…..
Hi TJ,
The first resurrection into the Millenial kingdom is the promised reward to all established in Christ, sons of the resurrection, enlivened and led by the Spirit of Christ.If there is no resurrection death is the end but the Spirit cannot die and will not forsake us but abides to raise us. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.
Jesus did not stop working when he died but his body on earth, by the power of that Spirit in them, continued the same preaching and teaching to Jew and now gentile after he was raised.
The Holy days are to be kept and will be during the millenium.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2008,06:46) Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 28 2008,00:23) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 27 2008,06:44) Hi TJ,
The law was given to the chosen people.
The OT law applies only to those to who it was given.
The gentiles were never found among the chosen people of God.
The continued existence of that law does not mean that it now applies to all.
No gentile can hope to inherit the kingdom through faithful observance of the OT law.That is not to say it does not have great value for all reflecting the hopes and expectations of God.
But it does not give righteousness but only points out sin, and through showing guilt, death.Those who are found among the sons of God have already inherited in the faithful observance of Jesus.
Sin that leads to condemnation is not ascribed to Jesus or to those found in him.
They have inscribed on their hearts the new Spirit law of love.
They can sin but sin should not lead to death
Greetings Nick…..From what I can gleen from your response is that all those who are considered rightous and abide in Jesus are saved and they cannot inherit condemnation….If this be true than what is the purpose of the ressurection…Jesus' ministry was directed towards the Jew,However,the apostles were commissioned to travel the world and bring the good news to the gentile as well as the remnant of Israel which had been removed from Gods sight..And I might add it is duly noted through out all the Gospels of the Apostles that Gods Holy Days were kept and these Gospels post date the ressurection…..
Hi TJ,
The first resurrection into the Millenial kingdom is the promised reward to all established in Christ, sons of the resurrection, enlivened and led by the Spirit of Christ.If there is no resurrection death is the end but the Spirit cannot die and will not forsake us but abides to raise us. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.
Jesus did not stop working when he died but his body on earth, by the power of that Spirit in them, continued the same preaching and teaching to Jew and now gentile after he was raised.
The Holy days are to be kept and will be during the millenium.
Greetings Nick…..In the first resurection the dead in christ will be raised….I would assume these will be the 144K and they will be caught up in the clouds and forever be with Lord..(As Spirit beings) These individuals will assist in the administration of Gods Kingdom/Government on this earth,however there will be millions of believers who will be allowed to survive into the milenium and be subject to Gods government…( P.S. some of these survivors will be part of the 144k…they will be changed in the twinkling of an eye ).
At the end of the milenium satan will be unleashed from the pit for a short time and at the same time a resurection of all who have ever lived will have an opportunity to experience Gods goverment and if they elect to reject it they will simply be burned up in the pit ( not eternal torment ) and cease to exist for eternity…Our God is one of mercy eternal torment is not in keeping with his nature…Hi TJ,
I agree with the first part but you say“At the end of the milenium satan will be unleashed from the pit for a short time and at the same time a resurection of all who have ever lived will have an opportunity to experience Gods goverment and if they elect to reject it they will simply be burned up in the pit ( not eternal torment ) and cease to exist for eternity…Our God is one of mercy eternal torment is not in keeping with his nature…”
I agree satan will be released for a short time at the end of the millenium.
But where does it say the second resurrection occurs DURING the millenium?Rev20
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
I see no second chance teaching in scripture.
Psalm 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.More
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/ArmstrongismThis article opens a whole can of worms exposing the wide array of false teachings from this denomination.
hi nick
the law gives fear,to all sinners,but the grace of God bring redemption and peace.hope and faith.
I in the early years i fallow the tv shows from Billy Gram, and is news paper clippings,he usually says “I SAY” or “MY ANSWER”
those things are good to bring us to the word of God,but we have to make it our word in our hearts
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