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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 01 2013,02:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 24 2013,11:19) Quote (Colter @ July 24 2013,01:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 18 2013,10:24) I will leave you with all of this it's exciting to you but it really is fruitless and has nothing to do with God. HoweverI just realized where L ron hubbard got scientology from No problem bodhitharta, Jesus told his followers that if people hated him they would hate his followers. UB readers know we will be persecuted by Paganized Christianity and certainly the controling, alternative religion of the Jews backward cousins. Colter Hate you? Why would I feel that way at all, I wasn't even criticizing I just made an observation that there is not any revelation in the UB. The UB is making an entirely different claim/story structurally that is what I am saying. The Quran is confirming the structure of all that was before it asking inside of it for the reader “To Remember” “To Recall” those previous historic events and then it clarifies certain issues. I only compared it to scientology because it has similarities of origin. I am very glad that you search and study God and ways to understand more, the question is are you ready to honestly discuss these matters? Many people here are not but I can tell you if you are being honest and we share information I will not hesitate to believe anything in which it connects logically can you say the same? God Bless! Sure, I will discuss the UB with you, when you finish reading it let me know what parts of the revelation that you disagree with or don't understand. Colter Is there anything in the UB that upholds Monotheism?

Yes, there is extensive coverage of the Monotheism of the Trinity. In the UB Jesus is NOT the second person of the triune manifestation of the first source and center; God the Father deligates power and authority to his Sons, and his Sons Sons. Christ Michael is a Son of God, we are Sons of God.

The followers of the Islamic faith likewise failed to grasp the idea of the Trinity. It is always difficult for an emerging monotheism to tolerate trinitarianism when confronted by polytheism. The trinity idea takes best hold of those religions which have a firm monotheistic tradition coupled with doctrinal elasticity. The great monotheists, the Hebrews and Mohammedans, found it difficult to distinguish between worshiping three gods, polytheism, and trinitarianism, the worship of one Deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality.

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Quote Is there anything in the UB that upholds Monotheism? Yes, there is extensive coverage of the Monotheism of the Trinity. In the UB Jesus is NOT the second person of the triune manifestation of the first source and center; God the Father deligates power and authority to his Sons, and his Sons Sons. Christ Michael is a Son of God, we are Sons of God. The followers of the Islamic faith likewise failed to grasp the idea of the Trinity. It is always difficult for an emerging monotheism to tolerate trinitarianism when confronted by polytheism. The trinity idea takes best hold of those religions which have a firm monotheistic tradition coupled with doctrinal elasticity. The great monotheists, the Hebrews and Mohammedans, found it difficult to distinguish between worshiping three gods, polytheism, and trinitarianism, the worship of one Deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality. Caino

Then why did Jesus say:

John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

This would mean that the Jews certainly are correct in their thinking about Monotheism also:

Romans 3:1-2

King James Version (KJV)

3 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Also if your UB book uses the term “Mohammedans” it is a further error because Muslims are not called “Mohammedans” nor would they be called such.

The trinity idea cannot take hold in Monotheism it is also an error when the term “Those religions” are used in a revelation because the revelation would be seen more as a progressive revelation not as a “different religion” The Quran points out that the Religion has always been “Submission to God” It is the SINGLE continuous thread and therefore ALL TRUE BELIEVERS are “SUBMITTERS” i.e. in Arabic “Muslim”.

The UB seems to be ignorant on the continuum fact of The Religion

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*The incarnation of the Son among the Jews had been known to seers and prophets. The Maji who came from “a far away land” knew of the coming of salvation from among the Jews. But because the Jews lost their way, we're mislead by their preists who rewrote the OT books in Babylon! Their “chosen people” arrogance left them confused about the Son.

*Mohammadons is just aterm for people who fallow Muhammed.

* You're simply wrong, ignorant of the billions of Christians who understand the Monotheistic Trinity.

* The concept or understanding of God evolves as man is better able to understand God, who is spirit.

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,07:51)

*The incarnation of the Son among the Jews had been known to seers and prophets. The Maji who came from “a far away land” knew of the coming of salvation from among the Jews. But because the Jews lost their way, we're mislead by their preists who rewrote the OT books in Babylon! Their “chosen people” arrogance left them confused about the Son. *Mohammadons is just aterm for people who fallow Muhammed. * You're simply wrong, ignorant of the billions of Christians who understand the Monotheistic Trinity. * The concept or understanding of God evolves as man is better able to understand God, who is spirit. Colter

Mohammedans is an improper word and Muslims do not follow Muhammad, Muslims submit to God as all of the Prophets of God did so the term is derogratory and would not be in a true revelation.

The book of Urantia does not demonstrate an evolved view at all if so can you tell me an evolved concept? The trinity concept is not evolved or new in any way.

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,07:51) *The incarnation of the Son among the Jews had been known to seers and prophets. The Maji who came from “a far away land” knew of the coming of salvation from among the Jews. But because the Jews lost their way, we're mislead by their preists who rewrote the OT books in Babylon! Their “chosen people” arrogance left them confused about the Son. *Mohammadons is just aterm for people who fallow Muhammed. * You're simply wrong, ignorant of the billions of Christians who understand the Monotheistic Trinity. * The concept or understanding of God evolves as man is better able to understand God, who is spirit. Colter Mohammedans is an improper word and Muslims do not follow Muhammad, Muslims submit to God as all of the Prophets of God did so the term is derogratory and would not be in a true revelation. The book of Urantia does not demonstrate an evolved view at all if so can you tell me an evolved concept? The trinity concept is not evolved or new in any way.

Muslims follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad; I don't understand why you are so sensitive about that.

The concept of God improved from the beginning of the Bible up until the revelation of the Father in the life of the Son.

The Trinity of the UB is different than the Christian concept…but you wouldn't know that because you obviously haven’t read it, therefore you are talking from silence.

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,22:02)

Muslims follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad; I don't understand why you are so sensitive about that. The concept of God improved from the beginning of the Bible up until the revelation of the Father in the life of the Son. The Trinity of the UB is different than the Christian concept…but you wouldn't know that because you obviously haven’t read it, therefore you are talking from silence. Colter

Muslims follow the Guidance from God. We pray to God in the name of GOD. so the term would not be found in a true revelation as th word Muslim directly means “Submitter” not a follower of Muhammad

Muhammad i not a Partner with God nor is Jesus. God is GOD ALONE and UNIQUE.

The concept of God did not improve nor is it a concept: GOD is Real, In what way is their any improvement with Jesus being sent? Peopl were being raised from the dead long before Christ Jesus was sent and also being healed.

The trinity in any form is not pertaining to God Almighty because God Almighty has no partners nor does HE need any description thst implies partnership. HE is GOD ALONE an there is none else HE does not beget nor is HE begotten

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,22:02) Muslims follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad; I don't understand why you are so sensitive about that. The concept of God improved from the beginning of the Bible up until the revelation of the Father in the life of the Son. The Trinity of the UB is different than the Christian concept…but you wouldn't know that because you obviously haven’t read it, therefore you are talking from silence. Colter Muslims follow the Guidance from God. We pray to God in the name of GOD. so the term would not be found in a true revelation as th word Muslim directly means “Submitter” not a follower of Muhammad Muhammad i not a Partner with God nor is Jesus. God is GOD ALONE and UNIQUE. The concept of God did not improve nor is it a concept: GOD is Real, In what way is their any improvement with Jesus being sent? Peopl were being raised from the dead long before Christ Jesus was sent and also being healed. The trinity in any form is not pertaining to God Almighty because God Almighty has no partners nor does HE need any description thst implies partnership. HE is GOD ALONE an there is none else HE does not beget nor is HE begotten

Boditharta.

Here again;the muslems trend,all over the world.
They never do or mean, what they preach:
proof; one can blaspheme God,and nothing will happen.
But blespheme the name mohamad,and there is war.

Muslems worship Mohamad,in the name of allah,by what they do;not what they preach.

Tell me if I am wrong.

wakeup.

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,22:02) Muslims follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad; I don't understand why you are so sensitive about that. The concept of God improved from the beginning of the Bible up until the revelation of the Father in the life of the Son. The Trinity of the UB is different than the Christian concept…but you wouldn't know that because you obviously haven’t read it, therefore you are talking from silence. Colter Muslims follow the Guidance from God. We pray to God in the name of GOD. so the term would not be found in a true revelation as th word Muslim directly means “Submitter” not a follower of Muhammad Muhammad i not a Partner with God nor is Jesus. God is GOD ALONE and UNIQUE. The concept of God did not improve nor is it a concept: GOD is Real, In what way is their any improvement with Jesus being sent? Peopl were being raised from the dead long before Christ Jesus was sent and also being healed. The trinity in any form is not pertaining to God Almighty because God Almighty has no partners nor does HE need any description thst implies partnership. HE is GOD ALONE an there is none else HE does not beget nor is HE begotten

Jesus revealed God as a loving and forgiving Father to each individual as opposed to the dim, Bloody and inconsistent view Of God in the old testament. God is not jealous and angrybut loving and consistent.

The Arab God if Islam is created in the image of male Arabs.

Colter

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,06:46)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,22:02) Muslims follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad; I don't understand why you are so sensitive about that. The concept of God improved from the beginning of the Bible up until the revelation of the Father in the life of the Son. The Trinity of the UB is different than the Christian concept…but you wouldn't know that because you obviously haven’t read it, therefore you are talking from silence. Colter Muslims follow the Guidance from God. We pray to God in the name of GOD. so the term would not be found in a true revelation as th word Muslim directly means “Submitter” not a follower of Muhammad Muhammad i not a Partner with God nor is Jesus. God is GOD ALONE and UNIQUE. The concept of God did not improve nor is it a concept: GOD is Real, In what way is their any improvement with Jesus being sent? Peopl were being raised from the dead long before Christ Jesus was sent and also being healed. The trinity in any form is not pertaining to God Almighty because God Almighty has no partners nor does HE need any description thst implies partnership. HE is GOD ALONE an there is none else HE does not beget nor is HE begotten Boditharta. Here again;the muslems trend,all over the world. They never do or mean, what they preach: proof; one can blaspheme God,and nothing will happen. But blespheme the name mohamad,and there is war. Muslems worship Mohamad,in the name of allah,by what they do;not what they preach. Tell me if I am wrong. wakeup.

Actually you cannot blasphem ALLAH in a Muslim country without severe consequences. However the reaction of people regarding blasphemy of Prophets or saints arehistorical of all Religion. Do you not remember the Christian spanish inquisition so the reaction of some people is not the rule for the religion.

Muslims do not worship Muhammad and you seem to be more honest than that to attempt to promote misinformation

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 03 2013,13:00)

Jesus revealed God as a loving and forgiving Father to each individual as opposed to the dim, Bloody  and inconsistent view Of God in the old testament. God is not jealous and angrybut loving and consistent. The Arab God if Islam is created in the image of male Arabs. Colter

Jesus did no such thing he explained GoD to b the same GOD of the old testament:

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here.

Mark 12:40
They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.”

2 Thessalonians 1:9
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might

Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Matthew 23:33
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

God has always been loving an forgiving since the beginning and never did he punish a people wthout ample time and warning.

Also there is no “arab” God there is only “GOD” which is the GOD of ALL. You claimed that the UB even says that is th book wrong aout their being ONE SUPREME BEING?

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,13:25)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,06:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,22:02) Muslims follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad; I don't understand why you are so sensitive about that. The concept of God improved from the beginning of the Bible up until the revelation of the Father in the life of the Son. The Trinity of the UB is different than the Christian concept…but you wouldn't know that because you obviously haven’t read it, therefore you are talking from silence. Colter Muslims follow the Guidance from God. We pray to God in the name of GOD. so the term would not be found in a true revelation as th word Muslim directly means “Submitter” not a follower of Muhammad Muhammad i not a Partner with God nor is Jesus. God is GOD ALONE and UNIQUE. The concept of God did not improve nor is it a concept: GOD is Real, In what way is their any improvement with Jesus being sent? Peopl were being raised from the dead long before Christ Jesus was sent and also being healed. The trinity in any form is not pertaining to God Almighty because God Almighty has no partners nor does HE need any description thst implies partnership. HE is GOD ALONE an there is none else HE does not beget nor is HE begotten Boditharta. Here again;the muslems trend,all over the world. They never do or mean, what they preach: proof; one can blaspheme God,and nothing will happen. But blespheme the name mohamad,and there is war. Muslems worship Mohamad,in the name of allah,by what they do;not what they preach. Tell me if I am wrong. wakeup. Actually you cannot blasphem ALLAH in a Muslim country without severe consequences. However the reaction of people regarding blasphemy of Prophets or saints arehistorical of all Religion. Do you not remember the Christian spanish inquisition so the reaction of some people is not the rule for the religion. Muslims do not worship Muhammad and you seem to be more honest than that to attempt to promote misinformation

Boditharta.

Just tell me if what I am saying is not true.
For this is the proof of what they truly believe.
Not what they preach.

wakeup.

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,13:34)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 03 2013,13:00) Jesus revealed God as a loving and forgiving Father to each individual as opposed to the dim, Bloody  and inconsistent view Of God in the old testament. God is not jealous and angrybut loving and consistent. The Arab God if Islam is created in the image of male Arabs. Colter Jesus did no such thing he explained GoD to b the same GOD of the old testament: Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. Mark 12:40 They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.” 2 Thessalonians 1:9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell. Matthew 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? God has always been loving an forgiving since the beginning and never did he punish a people wthout ample time and warning. Also there is no “arab” God there is only “GOD” which is the GOD of ALL. You claimed that the UB even says that is th book wrong aout their being ONE SUPREME BEING?

No, you must not be familiar with the OT scriptures; Jesus never acted like the more backward view of God in the OT or among the violent Muslims. The Hebrew priest favored their own secular history when they wrote their mostly fictitious history.

The Son of God never practiced “an eye for an eye” or blood sacrifices etc. He was consistent, loving and forgiving. No magic curses and such.

The concept of Hell fire and torture is a creation of man, because that’s the kind of stuff that religious fruit cakes do to people. So they assume their God is also hateful and immature.

Muslims are unable to win cultures over with spiritual truth, so they use military force and terrorism, treat women like dogs, some of them blood thirsty animals that belong in a zoo.

Colter

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,16:01)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,13:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,06:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,22:02) Muslims follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad; I don't understand why you are so sensitive about that. The concept of God improved from the beginning of the Bible up until the revelation of the Father in the life of the Son. The Trinity of the UB is different than the Christian concept…but you wouldn't know that because you obviously haven’t read it, therefore you are talking from silence. Colter Muslims follow the Guidance from God. We pray to God in the name of GOD. so the term would not be found in a true revelation as th word Muslim directly means “Submitter” not a follower of Muhammad Muhammad i not a Partner with God nor is Jesus. God is GOD ALONE and UNIQUE. The concept of God did not improve nor is it a concept: GOD is Real, In what way is their any improvement with Jesus being sent? Peopl were being raised from the dead long before Christ Jesus was sent and also being healed. The trinity in any form is not pertaining to God Almighty because God Almighty has no partners nor does HE need any description thst implies partnership. HE is GOD ALONE an there is none else HE does not beget nor is HE begotten Boditharta. Here again;the muslems trend,all over the world. They never do or mean, what they preach: proof; one can blaspheme God,and nothing will happen. But blespheme the name mohamad,and there is war. Muslems worship Mohamad,in the name of allah,by what they do;not what they preach. Tell me if I am wrong. wakeup. Actually you cannot blasphem ALLAH in a Muslim country without severe consequences. However the reaction of people regarding blasphemy of Prophets or saints arehistorical of all Religion. Do you not remember the Christian spanish inquisition so the reaction of some people is not the rule for the religion. Muslims do not worship Muhammad and you seem to be more honest than that to attempt to promote misinformation Boditharta. Just tell me if what I am saying is not true. For this is the proof of what they truly believe. Not what they preach. wakeup.

IT IS NOT TRUE

MUSLIMS DO NOT WORSHIP MUHAMMAD. IT WOULD BE A SIN

GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPPED ALONE without partners Muhammad is not considered greater than Jesus

Say (O Muslims), “We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Îsa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).”

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)

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No, you must not be familiar with the OT scriptures; Jesus never acted like the more backward view of God in the OT or among the violent Muslims. The Hebrew priest favored their own secular history when they wrote their mostly fictitious history.

Was Jesus worshiping the same God as the rest of the Jews or not? He certainly read the torah at the temple nd said things like:

Matthew 10:15
Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Sounds like he knew and agreed with GOD ALMIGHTY

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The Son of God never practiced “an eye for an eye” or blood sacrifices etc. He was consistent, loving and forgiving. No magic curses and such.

And We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers – of a lesser degree).

( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #45)

You seem to be thinking that Jesus worshipped a different God than the Jews but if you read the above passage from
the Quran you can clearly see you have a right to receive equal justice or allow for Mercy. Jesus did not say it was wrong to receive equal justice.

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The concept of Hell fire and torture is a creation of man, because that’s the kind of stuff that religious fruit cakes do to people. So they assume their God is also hateful and immature.

Then you disagree with Jesus

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Muslims are unable to win cultures over with spiritual truth, so they use military force and terrorism, treat women like dogs, some of them blood thirsty animals that belong in a zoo.

Islam is growing super fast in places like America and other very democratic and free places simply because it is the spiritual truth

regarding women

Wrong again, you may have heard of some women being treated badly But it is not ISLAM it is certain peoples own culture. Islam commands that women be treated kind and loving and that she is equal

The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.

( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #71)

For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.

( سورة الأحزاب , Al-Ahzab, Chapter #33, Verse #35)

in total accordance with:

Joel 2:29
Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

I think the problem is you have never read the Bible either to judge it the way you do

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,06:00)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,16:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,13:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,06:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 02 2013,22:02) Muslims follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad; I don't understand why you are so sensitive about that. The concept of God improved from the beginning of the Bible up until the revelation of the Father in the life of the Son. The Trinity of the UB is different than the Christian concept…but you wouldn't know that because you obviously haven’t read it, therefore you are talking from silence. Colter Muslims follow the Guidance from God. We pray to God in the name of GOD. so the term would not be found in a true revelation as th word Muslim directly means “Submitter” not a follower of Muhammad Muhammad i not a Partner with God nor is Jesus. God is GOD ALONE and UNIQUE. The concept of God did not improve nor is it a concept: GOD is Real, In what way is their any improvement with Jesus being sent? Peopl were being raised from the dead long before Christ Jesus was sent and also being healed. The trinity in any form is not pertaining to God Almighty because God Almighty has no partners nor does HE need any description thst implies partnership. HE is GOD ALONE an there is none else HE does not beget nor is HE begotten Boditharta. Here again;the muslems trend,all over the world. They never do or mean, what they preach: proof; one can blaspheme God,and nothing will happen. But blespheme the name mohamad,and there is war. Muslems worship Mohamad,in the name of allah,by what they do;not what they preach. Tell me if I am wrong. wakeup. Actually you cannot blasphem ALLAH in a Muslim country without severe consequences. However the reaction of people regarding blasphemy of Prophets or saints arehistorical of all Religion. Do you not remember the Christian spanish inquisition so the reaction of some people is not the rule for the religion. Muslims do not worship Muhammad and you seem to be more honest than that to attempt to promote misinformation Boditharta. Just tell me if what I am saying is not true. For this is the proof of what they truly believe. Not what they preach. wakeup. IT IS NOT TRUE MUSLIMS DO NOT WORSHIP MUHAMMAD. IT WOULD BE A SIN GOD IS TO BE WORSHIPPED ALONE without partners Muhammad is not considered greater than Jesus Say (O Muslims), “We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Îsa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).” (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)

Boditharta.

Of course it is not true; the qur'an is all about
truth,and good words for allah and his prophets.

But they do the opposite;it always has been this way.
The qur'an speaks of tolerance;but the muslems preach
kill all the infidels,they are all pigs. Kill every jew that you can see: Look there is one hiding behind the tree;and another one hiding behind the roch;kill them.

But then they are all migrating into the countries full of pigs. Fact: The usa is runned by jews. Why go there?
Because of the material comforts; forget the spiritual,
forget about submitting to allah.

Why would a good allah worshipping people;tempt themselves by migrating into a country full of pigs?
Pig eating infidels.

Here is another fact; they call themsleves in submittance to allah; but the fact is; they dont.
Because we all can see,that they have left their spiritual country,and exchange that for material comfort
in a country full of pig eaters and infidels.

Preach one thing,and do the opposite;this is always the case. The proof is in the pudding;and it tastes very bad.

The fruit looks good from the outside;but the inside is full of worms.
Please do not take this pesonally.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,16:31)

Boditharta. Of course it is not true; the qur'an is all about truth,and good words for allah and his prophets. But they do the opposite;it always has been this way. The qur'an speaks of tolerance;but the muslems preach kill all the infidels,they are all pigs. Kill every jew that you can see: Look there is one hiding behind the tree;and another one hiding behind the roch;kill them. But then they are all migrating into the countries full of pigs. Fact: The usa is runned by jews. Why go there? Because of the material comforts; forget the spiritual, forget about submitting to allah. Why would a good allah worshipping people;tempt themselves by migrating into a country full of pigs? Pig eating infidels. Here is another fact; they call themsleves in submittance to allah; but the fact is; they dont. Because we all can see,that they have left their spiritual country,and exchange that for material comfort in a country full of pig eaters and infidels. Preach one thing,and do the opposite;this is always the case. The proof is in the pudding;and it tastes very bad. The fruit looks good from the outside;but the inside is full of worms. Please do not take this pesonally. wakeup.

No offense taken but there are plenty of Material comforts in Muslim countries.

Whoso migrateth for the cause of Allah will find much refuge and abundance in the earth, and whoso forsaketh his home, a fugitive unto Allah and His messenger, and death overtaketh him, his reward is then incumbent on Allah. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #100)

Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves – [the angels] will say, “In what [condition] were you?” They will say, “We were oppressed in the land.” The angels will say, “Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?” For those, their refuge is Hell – and evil it is as a destination.

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #97)

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Colter,Aug. wrote: [/quote] Quote No, you must not be familiar with the OT scriptures; Jesus never acted like the more backward view of God in the OT or among the violent Muslims. The Hebrew priest favored their own secular history when they wrote their mostly fictitious history.   Was Jesus worshiping the same God as the rest of the Jews or not? He certainly read the torah at the temple nd said things like: Matthew 10:15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. Sounds like he knew and agreed with GOD ALMIGHTY Quote The Son of God never practiced “an eye for an eye” or blood sacrifices etc. He was consistent, loving and forgiving. No magic curses and such. And We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers – of a lesser degree). (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #45) You seem to be thinking that Jesus worshipped a different God than the Jews but if you read the above passage from the Quran you can clearly see you have a right to receive equal justice or allow for Mercy. Jesus did not say it was wrong to receive equal justice. Quote The concept of Hell fire and torture is a creation of man, because that’s the kind of stuff that religious fruit cakes do to people. So they assume their God is also hateful and immature. Then you disagree with Jesus Quote Muslims are unable to win cultures over with spiritual truth, so they use military force and terrorism, treat women like dogs,  some of them blood thirsty animals that belong in a zoo. Islam is growing super fast in places like America and other very democratic and free places simply because it is the spiritual truth regarding women Wrong again, you may have heard of some women being treated badly But it is not ISLAM it is certain peoples own culture. Islam commands that women be treated kind and loving and that she is equal The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise. (  سورة التوبة  , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #71) For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. (  سورة الأحزاب  , Al-Ahzab, Chapter #33, Verse #35) in total accordance with: Joel 2:29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. I think the problem is you have never read the Bible either to judge it the way you do

Jesus knew the OT scriptures were written by men and limited by mans understanding of God in the ages they were created. He didn't come to reform Judaism but to establish the “kingdom of heaven ” , achieve sovereignty and terminate the Lucifer rebellion.

So Jesus chose the cream of the Hebrew scriptures and let the inaccurate portrayal of God in the human minds of the Hebrews die on the vine.

Unfortunately Islam still relies on the genocidal brutality of the Primative god concept on the OT to justify its backward behavior.

People convert to Islam from Christianity because they had never really been spirit born in the first place. They succumb to the seductive allure out of ignorance. Had they really known the truth they would never have left it for militant Islam. Also, people don't often leave Islam because of its threats of death for doing so.

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 04 2013,22:42)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,06:23) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 04 2013,01:09) Quote No, you must not be familiar with the OT scriptures; Jesus never acted like the more backward view of God in the OT or among the violent Muslims. The Hebrew priest favored their own secular history when they wrote their mostly fictitious history.   Was Jesus worshiping the same God as the rest of the Jews or not? He certainly read the torah at the temple nd said things like: Matthew 10:15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. Sounds like he knew and agreed with GOD ALMIGHTY Quote The Son of God never practiced “an eye for an eye” or blood sacrifices etc. He was consistent, loving and forgiving. No magic curses and such. And We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers – of a lesser degree). (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #45) You seem to be thinking that Jesus worshipped a different God than the Jews but if you read the above passage from the Quran you can clearly see you have a right to receive equal justice or allow for Mercy. Jesus did not say it was wrong to receive equal justice. Quote The concept of Hell fire and torture is a creation of man, because that’s the kind of stuff that religious fruit cakes do to people. So they assume their God is also hateful and immature. Then you disagree with Jesus Quote Muslims are unable to win cultures over with spiritual truth, so they use military force and terrorism, treat women like dogs,  some of them blood thirsty animals that belong in a zoo. Islam is growing super fast in places like America and other very democratic and free places simply because it is the spiritual truth regarding women Wrong again, you may have heard of some women being treated badly But it is not ISLAM it is certain peoples own culture. Islam commands that women be treated kind and loving and that she is equal The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise. (  سورة التوبة  , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #71) For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. (  سورة الأحزاب  , Al-Ahzab, Chapter #33, Verse #35) in total accordance with: Joel 2:29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. I think the problem is you have never read the Bible either to judge it the way you do Jesus knew the OT scriptures were written by men and limited by mans understanding of God in the ages they were created. He didn't come to reform Judaism but to establish the “kingdom of heaven ” , achieve sovereignty and terminate the Lucifer rebellion.   So Jesus chose the cream of the Hebrew scriptures and let the inaccurate portrayal of God in the human minds of the Hebrews die on the vine. Unfortunately Islam still relies on the genocidal brutality of the Primative god concept on the OT to justify its backward behavior. People convert to Islam from Christianity because they had never really been spirit born in the first place. They succumb to the seductive allure out of ignorance. Had they really known the truth they would never have left it for militant Islam. Also, people don't often leave Islam because of its threats of death for doing so. Colter

It seems you watch to much TV. Muslims people are very humble, polite and peaceful. You seem to focus on military issues all nations have military branches. The U.S. goes to war with devastating affect that does not mean they are brutal an evil it means they are at war when it occurs of course you believe in war it's th basis to the entire UB “the lucifer rebellion”

War is war whether spiritual or physical, correct?

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The punishment for APOSTASY FROM ISLAM is death, war is a diffent matter.

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 05 2013,09:33)

The punishment for APOSTASY FROM ISLAM is death, war is a diffent matter. Colter

No, that is not true at all. This idea you have is not in the Quran the most quoted verse for your position is this:

Qur'an 4:89 states that “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them”.

But the next verse it becomes very clear:

Qur'an 4:90 “Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).”

Also this relates to

The idea is more that a person who becomes a traitor like treaon should be put to death this is the same way in America the sentence or treason in America is death

Do you think that Satan inot going to be punished for his apostasy?

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