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Hi,
Jesus taught us how to pray daily for our needs to God.
There is so much about us and God and the relationship we have with Him in this prayer I feel it needs it's own thread. Mt 6
” 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Hi Nick,
I think that Jesus gave us a guideline for praying. He taught us the kind of things that we should ask
God for, and how we should honor God in our prayers.But as usual, man read it improperly and started reciting the Lords prayer word for word at every oportunity.
Is this not “vain repitition”? Is this not what the heathens do?Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 20 2007,23:10) Hi Nick, I think that Jesus gave us a guideline for praying. He taught us the kind of things that we should ask
God for, and how we should honor God in our prayers.But as usual, man read it improperly and started reciting the Lords prayer word for word at every oportunity.
Is this not “vain repitition”? Is this not what the heathens do?Tim
Yes the “Our Father” is part of the rosary, you know five “Hail Marys” then only one “Our Father” OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER etc.Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Like everything the Harlet twist, distorts, does the opposite fo what Jesus said NOT to do. I really don't know how can ANYONE can read the bible and remain Catholic? I remember when I first started seeking and read “call no man Father for you have ONE Father who is in Heaven”. I thought, someone is lying. AND THEN the long robe thing, AND THEN the graven image thing, AND THEN vain repetitions, AND THEN praying to Mary and the saints, AND THEN pergortory, AND THEN the changing of bread and wine to Jesus, AND THEN the changing of the law, AND THEN the resurrection day, three days and three nights.
Did I miss any?
IHN&L,
Ken
Hi Guys,
I agree that it is hard having gone through the vain repetitious prayer thing in my younger days to go back without prejudice and to examine just what we can learn from these verses.Our Father for a start shows that we are not alone and we share a relationship with Him in the body of Christ.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2007,06:38) Hi Guys,
I agree that it is hard having gone through the vain repetitious prayer thing in my younger days to go back without prejudice and to examine just what we can learn from these verses.Our Father for a start shows that we are not alone and we share a relationship with Him in the body of Christ.
Oh NO Nick it is how we are to pray and for what. But I don't believe It's a prayer itself. For instance I don't say Our Father who art in heaven
. Rather I'm a little more personnal like Father I ask……… In Jesus your Son's Name. I don't believe the Father wants us to repeat prayers, do you?Hi K,
Indeed I think we should take the prayer apart and understand what it teaches us.
God is very practical and these are the basics encapsulated for us.
e.g.God is in heaven.
Enter His courts with praise and thanksgivingQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2007,08:05) Hi K,
Indeed I think we should take the prayer apart and understand what it teaches us.
God is very practical and these are the basics encapsulated for us.
e.g.God is in heaven.
Enter His courts with praise and thanksgiving
Amen Nick!Hi,
The Our Father shows how the Kingdom of God in heaven was to be extended to earth with the help of our prayers.Coming out of the Catholic Church too, I make sure that I do not repeat to many times, however if one is praying for a person we do have to repeat that. I have learned that first and utmost is that we should acknowledge our Heavenly Father in Heaven. Then Thank Him for everything that He has ever given to us. Sometimes I have used the Psalms for a Prayer as thanksgiving. Thanking God is to me very important. He has taken care of us all our lives. After that we can ask for petition for others sicknesses. And ask it all in Jesus Name.
Another way I pray is that I just talk to God like I would talk to anybody in plain old thoughts. That prayer can take sometimes a long time, if there is a lot on my mind.
Meditation just to think of God and feel His Love and Peace is the most important part of my relationship with Jesus and the Father.
When I have sinned the Holy Spirit tells me right the way and I go through Jesus to the Father and ask for forgiveness. And I am forever thankful that Jesus died for my sins and I can be forgiven as soon as I ask. What a great God we have. Amen and Amen.
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 20 2007,23:10) Hi Nick, I think that Jesus gave us a guideline for praying. He taught us the kind of things that we should ask
God for, and how we should honor God in our prayers.But as usual, man read it improperly and started reciting the Lords prayer word for word at every oportunity.
Is this not “vain repitition”? Is this not what the heathens do?Tim
Hi Tim4,
We are granted life one day at a time.We have a role to play TODAY. It is probably small and insignificant but if every member of the body of Christ sought and fulfilled God's will today large things would be done.
To do that will we need first to seek it and the grace we need to do it.
But God asks us to to pray for His plan too so we can be participants and share in the benefits of serving Him.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 31 2007,20:43) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 20 2007,23:10) Hi Nick, I think that Jesus gave us a guideline for praying. He taught us the kind of things that we should ask
God for, and how we should honor God in our prayers.But as usual, man read it improperly and started reciting the Lords prayer word for word at every oportunity.
Is this not “vain repitition”? Is this not what the heathens do?Tim
Hi Tim4,
We are granted life one day at a time.We have a role to play TODAY. It is probably small and insignificant but if every member of the body of Christ sought and fulfilled God's will today large things would be done.
To do that will we need first to seek it and the grace we need to do it.
But God asks us to to pray for His plan too so we can be participants and share in the benefits of serving Him.
I agree Nick. But I think that countless thousands of people recite the Lord's prayer word for word because they memorized it, without once paying attention to what they are praying.
I do not believe that is what Jesus was trying to teach when He said to pray like this. He did not say to repeat this.Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2007,15:20) Hi,
Jesus taught us how to pray daily for our needs to God.
There is so much about us and God and the relationship we have with Him in this prayer I feel it needs it's own thread. Mt 6
” 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Nick The Plan of God is different for each one of us. God predestined all of us and set that plan into action a long time ago. God never does anything without a reason either. Over the years as a Christian I have wondered why we have to suffer. Some are as Healthy as a Horse and others are sick so much. Of course Jesus said if we cannot pick up our Cross we are not worthy of Him. That I have never been able to figure out. Not that I do not accept what God sends me, but at times I wonder what else but patience and endurance do we have to learn from it.
When I see little children suffer it breaks my heart and I question that. All during times there has been wars and the children suffer the most because of it, they are scared for live. Mankind has made such a mess of things and I hope and Pray that it will soon come to an end.
Our Father who art in Heaven hear your children and send your Son soon.Peace and Love Mrs.
LAST DAYS? We each have OUR Last Days and must endure to the end. Through MANY trials AND tribulations we enter into heaven.
WHY? If BY HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED then….WHY?
Spiritual…healed Spiritually the WORD are words of the SPIRIT. The New Covenant is Spiritual NOT Physical. We must learn to live IN THE SPIRIT and NOT the flesh. If we live in the SPIRIT then our flesh is ALREADY Dead!
These things are hard….OR are they? Is it because we still walk in the flesh that we suffer the things of the flesh? Scripture says to keep our minds on things ABOVE not things on earth~flesh~! Store up our treasure in heaven NOT on the Earth where the thief can steal it or it will surely decay!
These things are hard? I believe this is the LIE! How did the Son Of MAN walk on water? I'm speaking of Peter! Peter was in the SPIRIT and forgot for a short while the physical STORM and so was able to walk ABOVE the storm!
“WE” of little faith!
Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 01 2008,01:44) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2007,15:20) Hi,
Jesus taught us how to pray daily for our needs to God.
There is so much about us and God and the relationship we have with Him in this prayer I feel it needs it's own thread. Mt 6
” 4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Nick The Plan of God is different for each one of us. God predestined all of us and set that plan into action a long time ago. God never does anything without a reason either. Over the years as a Christian I have wondered why we have to suffer. Some are as Healthy as a Horse and others are sick so much. Of course Jesus said if we cannot pick up our Cross we are not worthy of Him. That I have never been able to figure out. Not that I do not accept what God sends me, but at times I wonder what else but patience and endurance do we have to learn from it.
When I see little children suffer it breaks my heart and I question that. All during times there has been wars and the children suffer the most because of it, they are scared for live. Mankind has made such a mess of things and I hope and Pray that it will soon come to an end.
Our Father who art in Heaven hear your children and send your Son soon.Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi IM4,
I do not believe that our detailed individual futures are set in concrete or we would not be urged to pray as it would be futile. In fact we are urged to pray about everything[Phil]and James tells us we do not have because we do not ask.The larder of grace is fully accessible to those in Christ and we are not at the mercy of mindless fate.
2Peter 1
2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
12Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
13Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
Iam4Truth
nick is right wen he says the scriptures do not support predestination,wen we look at the lord prayer what do we see,first attention is privacy,God sees everything don't need to publicly proclaim it .
wen you pray be truthful otherwise you would be a hypocrite or take Gods word in vain.those first condition met,now you can talk to God ,because a prayer is just a personal talk with God about your concerns,
but keep in mind that as you mature into the knowledge of God you should understand that God is not at you personal service but he is serving us all (the saved ones)that is the kingdom .
so we become part of that kingdom and now we do not belong no longer to ourselves but to Christ and his father so our live is to use as he pleases.
it does not matter it we are in good health or sick or crippled for we all stand before God with the same task only limited to are ability ,but we are not limited in our hearths and thoughts and this is were strength is ,the will to worship God is within us.
Hi,
Once we are established in Christ everything we need to pray about is in these words.Praise of God.
Prayer for His kingdom.
Prayer that His will is done.
Prayer for our own needs today.
Seeking forgiveness to the level we forgive.
Prayer against evil and hard testing-God does the restQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2007,16:20) 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
The 'Our Father' should be said slowly peacefully with love, meaningfully. Each part thought about as its said, this is what I believe Jesus meant when he said not to use vain repetitions. Anything can be said, its the feeling what is said that is important.Its a good prayer (when said like this) for avoiding sin or temptation. Iv overcome things this way.
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