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Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,02:51) Moderator, Can I have an edit button please.
Res.
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Quote Zech ch 14 is future in my view. I believe it is not all his fulfilled or underway sins Christ
Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,16:57) 2becee, I can not respond to each paragraph until I know how to do so and I am very specific in my posts if I can read them after they are posted and fine tune them over time.
My mouse is alsp playing up.
Hi Res.
Try clicking either “Quote” (top right of each post) or “Add Reply” button lower right of each thread, rather than using the quick reply box, because then you can use “preview post” before sending the post.There is a link when doing your post that way, under the text box, which says “iB Code”, and that shows you how to use the HTML codes.
Quote I do see but I I have been there and done that many years ago. Okay.
What made you change your mind?Res,
We were in the time of the night, we were alone, it seemed, but then we entered into the light and we entered God's rest.
If you think the light is literal light and you think the rest is literal rest, both still to come, you are missing the spiritual meaning, and it is the letter that kills, but the spirit that gives you life.
The Jews missed their Messiah, and they wait.
If you believe that these events are also still to come, you are also waiting, and have missed the spirit by looking to the letter (literal.)
I hope that you will look again at those verses, and pray for understanding, and see how God has the meaning there for you.
The Messiah has come,
His feet have stood on the mount of Olives,
He came as a light to the world,
That he who follows Him, will never walk in darkness.
Living waters have flowed out from Jerusalem, (called the heart in John 7:38),
And Jesus has become the light, to the ends of the earth.
Jerusalem now dwells in security, for it is heavenly.Jesus was the mediator of a new covenant.
Hebrews 12:22
'Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, to tens of thousands of angels joyfully gathered together, to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to a judge who is the God of all, to the spirits of righteous people who have been made perfect, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel’s.'Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,19:39) Res, We were in the time of the night, we were alone, it seemed, but then we entered into the light and we entered God's rest.
If you think the light is literal light and you think the rest is literal rest, both still to come, you are missing the spiritual meaning, and it is the letter that kills, but the spirit that gives you life.
The Jews missed their Messiah, and they wait.
If you believe that these events are also still to come, you are also waiting, and have missed the spirit by looking to the letter (literal.)
I hope that you will look again at those verses, and pray for understanding, and see how God has the meaning there for you.
The Messiah has come,
His feet have stood on the mount of Olives,
He came as a light to the world,
That he who follows Him, will never walk in darkness.
Living waters have flowed out from Jerusalem, (called the heart in John 7:38),
And Jesus has become the light, to the ends of the earth.
Jerusalem now dwells in security, for it is heavenly.Jesus was the mediator of a new covenant.
Hebrews 12:22
'Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, to tens of thousands of angels joyfully gathered together, to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to a judge who is the God of all, to the spirits of righteous people who have been made perfect, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel’s.'
I know all of that.Christ is coming to earth to rule over all nations (left) through His resurrected saints.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,20:26) I know all of that. Christ is coming to earth to rule over all nations (left) through His resurrected saints.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Res.
Hi ResI already see that you accept Christ will be ruling the nations with his saints on his return. So far, you are the only one that has agreed with this, (with us) on this, and stated it in writing, since I've been on here in heaven net for the past 2 yrs.
This is what we've been dealing with.What I don't know, is what you believe happens during the Millennium?
Like where is the kingdom going to be, and who will the saints be ruling over?If you can reply in your own words, in short, that would be great.
thanks.Quote (journey42 @ April 01 2013,15:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,17:45) Quote Zechariah 14:6-7. On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
KJV
Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark.
Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night, but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.This is just telling us that when the Lord returns, it will be at evening time, not morning or afternoon.
It is not just telling you that.
It is telling you that the Lord has already come, that the light has already come, and that we are no longer in darkness. It is continual day known to God. But you refuse to see that and you try to blind others from seeing it.Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,22:26) Christ is coming to earth to rule over all nations (left) through His resurrected saints. Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Res.
Exactly. Forever and ever, when Jesus returns, soon.
The wheat has grown with the weeds, until the harvest, and then is the end, and then the eternal kingdom.So do we agree with this, or do you believe in a millennium of a thousand years, rather than eternity?
Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,21:02) Quote (journey42 @ April 01 2013,15:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,17:45) Quote Zechariah 14:6-7. On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
KJV
Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark.
Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night, but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.This is just telling us that when the Lord returns, it will be at evening time, not morning or afternoon.
It is not just telling you that.
It is telling you that the Lord has already come, that the light has already come, and that we are no longer in darkness. It is continual day known to God. But you refuse to see that and you try to blind others from seeing it.
2Besee.**You are contradicting**. Jer.25:38.(the land is desolate and God is angry).
And Dan 9:27.(the desolation is up to the consumation).
BUT BESEE SAYS ALL IS LIGHT,WE ARE IN THE LIGHT.
Then why the falling away?
And the preaching of doctrines of devils?You can believe anything you like;its freedom of religion.
You can also believe that you have wings.wakeup.
2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote It is not just telling you that.
It is telling you that the Lord has already come, that the light has already come, and that we are no longer in darkness. It is continual day known to God. But you refuse to see that and you try to blind others from seeing it
2Besse, there you go again. Accusing. If the others do not weigh up the scriptures, and look into it, then they only have themselves to blame. But maybe they should just trust what you say, because you learn't of the SDA.You only know past. The future is not revealed to you.
We know Christ already came, but he is RETURNING in the evening. When it is getting dark, there will be so much light at his appearing.READ IT AGAIN;IT SAYS SO HERE
Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, ……that at evening time it shall be light. (When he returns)Isaiah 17:14 And behold at EVENINGTIDE …trouble;…. and before the MORNING he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.
Daniel 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
Zephaniah 2:7 And the coast shall be for the remnant of the house of Judah; they shall feed thereupon: in the houses of Ashkelon shall they lie down in the evening: for the LORD their God shall visit them, and turn away their captivity.
Ask your SDA mates what this means.
Journey, I trust what God has shown me with all of my heart, and you do not. That is your choice.
I have not learnt off the SDA'S. Why do you keep saying that? I was given pamphlets of theirs concerning the end time, which I did not read (properly) I only looked at the picture. So why you keep throwing that at me, I do not know.
What I believe is what has been shown to me and I do not follow MAN! Okay?
You are the one who tried to say that what I was shown meant something else, to fit your beliefs, not me. And you call me the accuser because I could see that you were distracting from what was shown to me.
If you don;t want to believe what I was once trying to show you, for your own good, my motives were good, then I cannot force you too, can I? If you want to believe that Jesus will come and sit on a throne in the Earthly Jerusalem in a rebuilt Temple of stone, if that is what you believe, and you have not listened to me, then what can I say?
I Know and believe that when Jesus comes, it will be the end.
You teach that it will not be the end, but a second chance, and that there will be a country, with walls (just going from memory – correct me if I am wrong) and that OUTSIDE those walls will be sinful nations still.I do not agree with that at all.
Now I am not a teacher, I HAVE a teacher, and it is not man.
You however are trying to be the teacher rather than being a humble student, like we all should be.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 04 2013,01:26) Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,21:02) Quote (journey42 @ April 01 2013,15:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,17:45) Quote Zechariah 14:6-7. On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
KJV
Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark.
Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night, but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.This is just telling us that when the Lord returns, it will be at evening time, not morning or afternoon.
It is not just telling you that.
It is telling you that the Lord has already come, that the light has already come, and that we are no longer in darkness. It is continual day known to God. But you refuse to see that and you try to blind others from seeing it.
2Besee.**You are contradicting**. Jer.25:38.(the land is desolate and God is angry).
And Dan 9:27.(the desolation is up to the consumation).
BUT BESEE SAYS ALL IS LIGHT,WE ARE IN THE LIGHT.
Then why the falling away?
And the preaching of doctrines of devils?You can believe anything you like;its freedom of religion.
You can also believe that you have wings.wakeup.
Wakeup,I did not say that ALL were in the light, only some are.
The darkness has passed, for some.
And yes, Wakeup. That also includes MANY born again, CHURCH going Christians, believe or not!
Quote (2besee @ April 04 2013,07:48) Quote (Wakeup @ April 04 2013,01:26) Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,21:02) Quote (journey42 @ April 01 2013,15:38) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,17:45) Quote Zechariah 14:6-7. On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
KJV
Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark.
Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night, but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.This is just telling us that when the Lord returns, it will be at evening time, not morning or afternoon.
It is not just telling you that.
It is telling you that the Lord has already come, that the light has already come, and that we are no longer in darkness. It is continual day known to God. But you refuse to see that and you try to blind others from seeing it.
2Besee.**You are contradicting**. Jer.25:38.(the land is desolate and God is angry).
And Dan 9:27.(the desolation is up to the consumation).
BUT BESEE SAYS ALL IS LIGHT,WE ARE IN THE LIGHT.
Then why the falling away?
And the preaching of doctrines of devils?You can believe anything you like;its freedom of religion.
You can also believe that you have wings.wakeup.
Wakeup,I did not say that ALL were in the light, only some are.
The darkness has passed, for some.
And yes, Wakeup. That also includes MANY born again, CHURCH going Christians, believe or not!
2Besee.Dont aswer those scriptures,just ignore them,and follow your own feelings, what is in your mind.
You dont need a bible,just imagine nice things.
Imagine you are already an angel with wings,all you need is wait for the Lord and fly off to meet him.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,19:34) Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,16:57) 2becee, I can not respond to each paragraph until I know how to do so and I am very specific in my posts if I can read them after they are posted and fine tune them over time.
My mouse is alsp playing up.
Hi Res.
Try clicking either “Quote” (top right of each post) or “Add Reply” button lower right of each thread, rather than using the quick reply box, because then you can use “preview post” before sending the post.There is a link when doing your post that way, under the text box, which says “iB Code”, and that shows you how to use the HTML codes.
Quote I do see but I I have been there and done that many years ago. Okay.
What made you change your mind?
I did not change my mind about the truths of salvation now, but my understanding was added to by Christ showing me my future if I am faithful to the end of my days in this present spiritual age of satan roaming around to see who he can devour.As an exercise for you, can you give any scriptures describing the conditions of eternity after this world is burnt up?
Gotta go out for a few hours.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 04 2013,11:02) As an exercise for you, can you give any scriptures describing the conditions of eternity after this world is burnt up?
Res, yes.1Cor 2:9
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard,
and no mind has imagined
the things that God has prepared
for those who love him.”
But God has revealed those things to us by his Spirit.Quote (Wakeup @ April 04 2013,10:05) 2Besee. Dont aswer those scriptures,just ignore them,and follow your own feelings, what is in your mind.
You dont need a bible,just imagine nice things.
Imagine you are already an angel with wings,all you need is wait for the Lord and fly off to meet him.wakeup.
Wakeup, I have already looked at those verse. Maybe I will look at them again later.2besee,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote I have not learnt off the SDA'S. Why do you keep saying that? I was given pamphlets of theirs concerning the end time, which I did not read (properly) I only looked at the picture. So why you keep throwing that at me, I do not know. What I believe is what has been shown to me and I do not follow MAN! Okay?
Why do you preach as they do then?
They warn people that the mark of the beast is only spiritual (who you worship) and not a physical mark, so all their members will receive the mark of the beast when it is issued. That physical mark which is the initiation of the false prophets kingdom. They are sealed and now the property of the enemy. And they will continue to buy and sell, just like the rest of the world because they will be part of that system.
You cannot see this. We are told what is going to happen to those that receive the mark of the beast, and it is all contained in the 7 trumpets and vials. And the SDA are encouraging the microchip, and using it themselves in the health care system, so be warned.A church having millions of members have a responsibility and a duty to warn their paritioners of the dangers ahead. This is not a small issue. These sheep are looking up to their leaders, for their instructions, and the leaders have failed their sheep, because those leaders came in through the back door. They preach against the scriptures, but accuse others of twisting them. And you are singing their same song.
They tell people Satan has already been locked up, and released.
They preach that the millennium is now, so there is no 1000 years rule of Christ with his saints to come.
They keep preaching that a 1000 years is as one day to the Lord, not understanding that verse.They preach that when Christ returns, that's it. All scripture fulfilled, the earth destroyed. Just like that.
They deny the fact that there are future generations to come.
They get the first resurrection and judgement day mixed up.
and so much more, they have wrong,
and you are singing the same song, so therefore it is obvious that you have been influenced.
If you had nothing to do with them, and searched the scriptures on your own without outside influence, like a few people that I have known, then you would get the same picture as us without distortion.
Your doctrine is man made, like that plastic ball.
Your doctrine is what you believe,
what you are holding on to so tight, and cannot let go.Quote You are the one who tried to say that what I was shown meant something else, to fit your beliefs, not me. And you call me the accuser because I could see that you were distracting from what was shown to me. 2Besse, who's thread is this? How can I distract you. This is my thread. All are welcome to state their opinions, but you came on here, preaching the opposite, and diverting from the subject. You have a lot of ground to catch up on. The foundation you are on is wrong from the start.
Quote If you don;t want to believe what I was once trying to show you, for your own good, my motives were good, then I cannot force you too, can I? If you want to believe that Jesus will come and sit on a throne in the Earthly Jerusalem in a rebuilt Temple of stone, if that is what you believe, and you have not listened to me, then what can I say?
I can only believe what God is showing us. I didn't set the plan. If you came out with some good pointers, then I would tell you,Quote Know and believe that when Jesus comes, it will be the end.
You teach that it will not be the end, but a second chance, and that there will be a country, with walls (just going from memory – correct me if I am wrong) and that OUTSIDE those walls will be sinful nations still.
There will be no walls 2besse, for the lamb is the wall. But yes there will be a designated area, in Israel, and the boundaries much larger than Israel today, for it will be 2240 km square (why's that?)Quote I do not agree with that at all. obviously.
Quote Now I am not a teacher, I HAVE a teacher, and it is not man. Ok, but it's not the holy spirit either. Despite what you say, you are trying to teach.
Quote You however are trying to be the teacher rather than being a humble student, like we all should be. I never set out to be a teacher. This is not a church, and you are not under my authority. I can only explain what I understand and know, and if you have learn't something of me, then I guess I have taught you something or been the one that “watered”, (contributed to edify your understanding) but it's God who gives the increase, not me.
And I am done with all this bickering back and forth, it is not spiritually healthy, so so long 2Besse. I made my peace with you a while back, and you did not accept it, but I forgive you and wish you well despite our differences.
Quote (journey42 @ April 04 2013,15:10) Quote (2besee @ April 04 2013,07:43) Now I am not a teacher, I HAVE a teacher, and it is not man. Ok, but it's not the holy spirit either.
Wow. Goodbye.
Quote (2besee @ April 04 2013,09:14) Quote (Resting @ April 04 2013,11:02) As an exercise for you, can you give any scriptures describing the conditions of eternity after this world is burnt up?
Res, yes.1Cor 2:9
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard,
and no mind has imagined
the things that God has prepared
for those who love him.”
But God has revealed those things to us by his Spirit.
Those verses do not describe the conditions of eternity.The only verses in the Bible of the future (after the beast is destroyed) are describing the coming Kingdom of God, the thousand year reign of Christ and the saints after the return of Christ and the resurrection, which has an end before eternity when God will be then all in all.
However there will be no stone temple in the millennium.
Res.
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