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Quote (Resting @ Mar. 31 2013,12:30) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,23:36) Hi.
The whole chapter of Rev 14 is clearly past, (Jerusalem 70AD and the 144000 sealed from the tribes of Israel)
Now you see, the book clearly is not in any type of order and things are reiterated.The reason I am up to Rev 14 is because I had read from chapter 6 right through.
I will go back over it.There is also more than one “Day of the Lord/Return of Jesus”. Again, the stories are clearly being retold from a different perspective.
Okay I will keep reading.
2 Besee,There is only one time of the return of Christ and with it one resurrection of the saints, but described several times and is the key to the timeline of the events.
Just find them all and mark them on a line on a sheet of paper and see the before and the after events at each description and most will become clear in order.
The similarity of future events to the events of the past does not place the future events in the past because they have differences, but yes the past events are a helpful guide.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.Res.
Good points! Thanks, I will do that.Just as a note,
I made this post a while back:
Quote Quote Zech 13:6-7. And if one asks him, `What are these wounds on your back?' he will say, `The wounds I received in the house of my friends.'” “Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who stands next to me,” says the LORD of hosts. “Strike the shepherd, that the sheep may be scattered; I will turn my hand against the little ones.
In the whole land, says the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, `They are my people'; and they will say, `The LORD is my God.'”
This is the first advent of Jesus and an introduction into Zachariah 14.
Zachariah 14 covers all of the time from Jesus right up until today.Quote Zech.14:1-3. Behold, a day of the LORD is coming, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
This is Jerusalem in 70Ad. Matt 24:1 and Matt 24:14-20
Quote Zech 14:4-5. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley; so that one half of the Mount shall withdraw northward, and the other half southward. And the valley of my mountains shall be stopped up, for the valley of the mountains shall touch the side of it; and you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzzi'ah king of Judah. Then the LORD your God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
The clue in this being an historical event is the fact that Jesus stood on the mount of Olives many times. And when Jerusalem was afterwards surrounded – every Christian, having heeded Jesus' warning had opportunity to escape and flee. John 8:1, Matt 21:1, Matt 24:3, etc
Quote Zechariah 14:6-7. On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
Jesus was the light and in that light there is no darkness at all (Continuous Day). John 8:12, John 12:46, etc
Quote Zechariah 14:8-9 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea; it shall continue in summer as in winter.
Living waters – who is the living waters? Where did they come from and where did they go? Fulfilled. John 4:10, John 4:13, John 7:38, etc
Quote Zech 14:9-10 And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
Exactly! God is now over all of the earth. Those who did not know Him (the nations – the earth), now do. Matt 21:37, John 3:16, Acts 13:47, etc
Quote Zech 14:10-11. The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. But Jerusalem shall remain aloft upon its site from the Gate of Benjamin to the place of the former gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Han'anel to the king's wine presses. And it shall be inhabited, for there shall be no more curse; Jerusalem shall dwell in security.
Jerusalem indeed now dwells in security, for it is heavenly! John 4:21, Gal 4;25, Hebrews 12:22, etc
Most end-time views see Zachariah 14 as something that will occur some time future, where I see it as something that has happened, and is still happening. This ties in with Revelations.
What do you think?
*Reason for late time edit: Added verses into quote.
I think this —
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.Res.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,11:51) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 31 2013,12:19) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,21:47) Res, I'll post as I read, (even if it is a bit off topic). Rev 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire, and them that had overcome the beast.
John 16:33
I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
The beast = The world?
2 besee,The overcoming of the beast must be reference to keeping the faith to the end of ones days rather than to overcoming the beast with its armies at Armageddon, not to say you were thinking that.
The beast in most all of the world at the end–
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The beast of Rev.13 has two elements to it in that of the King, and its queen the religious element, (Dan2:2) as was in the time of King Neb of the book of Daniel. Daniel gives the description of the beast of Babylon which is better said -the Babylonic beast, because it is in the end time , in the whole earth, not confined to any past geography, though the Babylonic Beasts home ground is with the ten kings, described as the feet with ten toes (Kings) Rev.17. The feet consisting of iron and clay which do not mix, showing up the two kinds of Rev 13:8 well.
So Rev.ch 13 needs to be read with the book of Daniel in mind and Daniel ch 12 speaking of the beasts 3.5 years as is in Rev.
Res.
Hi Res,Quote Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. I bolded “Him” in your scripture to show you the difference in versions.
International Standard Version (©2012)
(Apparently a really literal version)All those who had become settled down and at home, living on the earth, will worship it, everyone whose name had not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the lamb that had been slaughtered since the foundation of the world.
English Standard Version (©2001)
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.http://biblos.com/revelation/13-8.htm
Just pointing out the difference.
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Daniel, I will read that again soon once I have finished Revelations. Thanks.
Ok,Money is god, the love of Babylon.
LA
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 31 2013,15:46) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,11:51) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 31 2013,12:19) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,21:47) Res, I'll post as I read, (even if it is a bit off topic). Rev 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire, and them that had overcome the beast.
John 16:33
I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
The beast = The world?
2 besee,The overcoming of the beast must be reference to keeping the faith to the end of ones days rather than to overcoming the beast with its armies at Armageddon, not to say you were thinking that.
The beast in most all of the world at the end–
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The beast of Rev.13 has two elements to it in that of the King, and its queen the religious element, (Dan2:2) as was in the time of King Neb of the book of Daniel. Daniel gives the description of the beast of Babylon which is better said -the Babylonic beast, because it is in the end time , in the whole earth, not confined to any past geography, though the Babylonic Beasts home ground is with the ten kings, described as the feet with ten toes (Kings) Rev.17. The feet consisting of iron and clay which do not mix, showing up the two kinds of Rev 13:8 well.
So Rev.ch 13 needs to be read with the book of Daniel in mind and Daniel ch 12 speaking of the beasts 3.5 years as is in Rev.
Res.
Hi Res,Quote Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. I bolded “Him” in your scripture to show you the difference in versions.
International Standard Version (©2012)
(Apparently a really literal version)All those who had become settled down and at home, living on the earth, will worship it, everyone whose name had not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the lamb that had been slaughtered since the foundation of the world.
English Standard Version (©2001)
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.http://biblos.com/revelation/13-8.htm
Just pointing out the difference.
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Daniel, I will read that again soon once I have finished Revelations. Thanks.
Ok,Money is god, the love of Babylon.
Res.
EditedRes,
So though we have sufferings in this body and loss, and though we be separate from the worlds ways, do you believe that we have the light and that, unless we chose to do so, we will not see the return of darkness, as Jesus said.
And do you believe that this is in line with Zachariah 14, Now?
Zechariah 14:6-7.
On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
John 8:12
'Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.“
John 12:46
'I've come into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me won't remain in the darkness'
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,17:45) Res, So though we have sufferings in this body and loss, and though we be separate from the worlds ways, do you believe that we have the light and that, unless we chose to do so, we will not see the return of darkness, as Jesus said.
And do you believe that this is in line with Zachariah 14, Now?
Zechariah 14:6-7.
On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
John 8:12
'Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.“
John 12:46
'I've come into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me won't remain in the darkness'
We are now in the time of the night and the day comes when Christ returns which begins with a flash of light and a short period of darkness upon the beast worshippers until they be gone, and then Rev.22:1-2Isa 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Isa 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
Isa 60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
Isa 60:6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.
Isa 60:7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.
Isa 60:8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?
Isa 60:9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.
Isa 60:10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.
Isa 60:11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.
Isa 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.Res.
Res,
Isaiah chapter 60 appears to be fulfilled prophecy, just as Isaiah chapters 13 and 14 are fulfilled prophecy.
Quote We are now in the time of the night We should no longer be in the night (dark) but in the light, regardless of what is going on around us.
1John 2:8
The darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.Romans 13:12
The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.Ephesians 5:8
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.1 Thessalonians 5:5
You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.John 8:12
Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”John 12:46
I've come into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me won't remain in the darkness.Do you agree? Yes or No.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,21:19) Res, Isaiah chapter 60 appears to be fulfilled prophecy, just as Isaiah chapters 13 and 14 are fulfilled prophecy.
Quote We are now in the time of the night We should no longer be in the night (dark) but in the light, regardless of what is going on around us.
1John 2:8
The darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.Romans 13:12
The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.Ephesians 5:8
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.1 Thessalonians 5:5
You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.John 8:12
Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”John 12:46
I've come into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me won't remain in the darkness.Do you agree? Yes or No.
2 becee,I agree that we are lights or should be lights shining in a dark place.
When Christ returns, darkness will flee away, but people to be born will still need to receive light to lighten them within.
(The reason for Rev.20:8-9.)
The doom for the wicked is preceeded by riches, not by poverty.
Res.
2besee,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Zechariah 14:6-7. On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
KJV
Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark.
Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night, but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.This is just telling us that when the Lord returns, it will be at evening time, not morning or afternoon. This is wonderful, the Lord has shared this with us.
I didn't see either of you mention this fact.How they interpret the day not be clear, nor dark, into neither cold nor frost, just makes understanding something simple and straight forward a little harder for you. Just as well you had the next verse, but still didn't pick it up.
2besee,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Most end-time views see Zachariah 14 as something that will occur some time future, where I see it as something that has happened, and is still happening. This ties in with Revelations. What do you think?
Res
What's your answer?Quote ( @ –)
Zech ch 14 is future in my view.Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
4:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Isaiah ch 60.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be estab
Quote (journey42 @ April 02 2013,19:22) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,12:08) Quote Most end-time views see Zachariah 14 as something that will occur some time future, where I see it as something that has happened, and is still happening. This ties in with Revelations. What do you think?
Res
What's your answer?
Zech ch 14 is future in my view.Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
4:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Isaiah ch 60.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Isa 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
Zep 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.
Zep 3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
Zep 3:12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.
Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
Zep 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
Zep 3:15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.
Zep 3:16 In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.
Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.
Zep 3:18 I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly, who are of thee, to whom the reproach of it was a burden.
Zep 3:19 Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame.
Zep 3:20 At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD.Res.
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Zech ch 14 is future in my view.Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
4:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Isaiah ch 60.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be estab
Rest.Great: Jerusalem will be as paradise before,
the lion will eat straw.wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ April 02 2013,20:54) Quote (journey42 @ April 02 2013,19:22) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,12:08) Quote Most end-time views see Zachariah 14 as something that will occur some time future, where I see it as something that has happened, and is still happening. This ties in with Revelations. What do you think?
Res
What's your answer?
Zech ch 14 is future in my view.Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
4:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Isaiah ch 60.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Isa 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
Zep 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.
Zep 3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
Zep 3:12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.
Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
Zep 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
Zep 3:15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.
Zep 3:16 In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.
Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.
Zep 3:18 I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly, who are of thee, to whom the reproach of it was a burden.
Zep 3:19 Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame.
Zep 3:20 At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD.Res.
Hi Resting,Thank you. I agree with all those scriptures. Future.
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The second verse of Zech 14 is a bit of a worry.–
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
However this reinforces the view that the 6th trumpet army of Rev.ch 9 is indeed NOT the armageddon army of the 6th vial.
None of Gods revenge upon the wicked outside of the churched, will begin until God has finished dealing with His own Household and professors of being so.
The judgments of the Trumpets is specific to Gods dealings with the churches who have become apostate. (7th church letter and other parts of the letters describe them)
These judgment punishments are only handed out by God through men who follow the last empire (the beast) AFTER the obedient saints have spoken to them from the Lord. The opportunity to repent does not extend past the 5th trumpet.
The 6th trumpet army event is also described in —
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.This is also given in Joel ch 2 and is not the Day of the Lord itself, but is that which announces its very soon coming when only then will Gods wrath upon the beasts kingdom will begin.
Joel explains it. (as does Isaiah ch 10)
Isa 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.
Isa 10:6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
Isa 10:7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few.
Isa 10:8 For he saith, Are not my princes altogether kings?
Isa 10:9 Is not Calno as Carchemish? is not Hamath as Arpad? is not Samaria as Damascus?
Isa 10:10 As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols, and whose graven images did excel them of Jerusalem and of Samaria;
Isa 10:11 Shall I not, as I have done unto Samaria and her idols, so do to Jerusalem and her idols?
Isa 10:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.
Isa 10:13 For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man:
Isa 10:14 And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.
Isa 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.
Isa 10:16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.
Isa 10:17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;More of the 6th trumpet event–
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Jer 50:9 For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
Joe 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
Joe 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Joe 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
Joe 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:Res.
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And tell me what you see……Zech 13:6-7.
And if one asks him, `What are these wounds on your back?' he will say, `The wounds I received in the house of my friends.'” “Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who stands next to me,” says the LORD of hosts. “Strike the shepherd, that the sheep may be scattered; I will turn my hand against the little ones.
In the whole land, says the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, `They are my people'; and they will say, `The LORD is my God.'”
Jesus' first coming.
Next Chapter follows on..Zech.14:1-3.
Behold, a day of the LORD is coming, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
Matt 24
“You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down………So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house; and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. ”
Zech 14:4-5.
On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley; so that one half of the Mount shall withdraw northward, and the other half southward. And the valley of my mountains shall be stopped up, for the valley of the mountains shall touch the side of it; and you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzzi'ah king of Judah. Then the LORD your God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
John 8:1
'Jesus, however, went to the Mount of Olives.'
Matt 21:1
'When they came near Jerusalem and had reached Bethphage on the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two disciples on ahead and told them, “Go into the village ahead of you. At once you will find a donkey tied up and a colt with it. Untie them, and bring them to me.'
Matt 24:3
'While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will these things take place, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Luke 22: 39
'Then he left and went to the Mount of Olives, as usual. The disciples went with him.'
Mark 14:32
'Then they came to a place called Gethsemane, and he told his disciples, “Sit down here while I pray.”
Zechariah 14:6-7.
On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost. And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the LORD), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
John 8:12
'Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.“
John 12:46
'I've come into the world as light, so that everyone who believes in me won't remain in the darkness'
Zechariah 14:8-9
On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea; it shall continue in summer as in winter.
John 4:10
'Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who is saying to you, 'Please give me a drink,' you would have been the one to ask him, and he would have given you living water.“
John 4:13
'Jesus answered her, “Everyone who drinks this water will become thirsty again. But whoever drinks the water that I will give him will never become thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become a well of water for him, springing up to eternal life.”
John 7:38
'The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have rivers of living water flowing from his heart.”
Zech 14:9-10
And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
Matt 21:37
'Jesus asked them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures,‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, and it is amazing in our eyes.’ That is why I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce fruit for it.
John 3:16
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his only begotten Son so that everyone who believes in him might not be lost but have eternal life.”
Acts 13:47
'I have made you a light to the gentiles to be the means of salvation to the very ends of the earth.'”
Zech 14:10-11.
The whole land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. But Jerusalem shall remain aloft upon its site from the Gate of Benjamin to the place of the former gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Han'anel to the king's wine presses. And it shall be inhabited, for there shall be no more curse; Jerusalem shall dwell in security.
John 4:21
“Believe me, dear lady, the hour is coming when you Samaritans will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You don’t know what you’re worshiping. We Jews know what we’re worshiping, because salvation comes from the Jews. Yet the time is coming, and is now here, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. Indeed, the Father is looking for people like that to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Gal 4;25
'Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and correspon
ds to present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery along with her children. But the heavenly Jerusalem is the free woman, and she is our spiritual mother.'Hebrews 12:22
'Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, to tens of thousands of angels joyfully gathered together, to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to a judge who is the God of all, to the spirits of righteous people who have been made perfect, to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel’s.'
Do you see it?
Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,09:51) Moderator, Can I have an edit button please.
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Hi.
I think that members only get edit after so many posts, but I am not sure.Quote (2besee @ April 03 2013,12:53) Quote (Resting @ April 03 2013,09:51) Moderator, Can I have an edit button please.
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Hi.
I think that members only get edit after so many posts, but I am not sure.
2becee,I can not respond to each paragraph until I know how to do so and I am very specific in my posts if I can read them after they are posted and fine tune them over time.
My mouse is alsp playing up.
I do see but I I have been there and done that many years ago.
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