The order of Events

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,13:02) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,17:57) Yes that is what my contributions have said. Res. Resting. Why dont you share your knowledge,so we also can learn? wakeup. Wup Who his WE You say the same thing to me

Terra.

We; as for all here in HN,except you,for you dont need learning,you know it all,because you have many bibles.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,18:23)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,21:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,13:02) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,17:57) Yes that is what my contributions have said. Res. Resting. Why dont you share your knowledge,so we also can learn? wakeup. Wup Who his WE You say the same thing to me Terra. We; as for all here in HN,except you,for you dont need learning,you know it all,because you have many bibles. wakeup.

Why are you so sarcastic

I love to learn the truth of God

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,03:33)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,18:23) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,21:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,13:02) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,17:57) Yes that is what my contributions have said. Res. Resting. Why dont you share your knowledge,so we also can learn? wakeup. Wup Who his WE You say the same thing to me Terra. We; as for all here in HN,except you,for you dont need learning,you know it all,because you have many bibles. wakeup. Why are you so sarcastic I love to learn the truth of God

Terra.

If you really like to increase in knowledge,you must except
what is given to you straight from the scriptures.
And you can learn plenty.

wakeup.

[journey42]

2besee,Mar. wrote:

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Journey, we have been through this before.

Yes and why are you going off topic here?  Is it to distract from the subject?

2Besse, If one gets a water baptism, it is not a guarantee that he is saved, for what if he backslides and doesn't return?
John baptised with water then because the holy spirit was not yet available.
Any water baptisms that happened after the holy spirit was made available to men,
were just a symbol of repentance and for the remission of sins.  
These people knew nothing about God, save Jesus Christ crucified.  
They did not have bibles like we do today to study the word of God in depth.  
They were gentiles who were serving false gods, knowing nothing. 
If one wants to get water baptised, then no man can forbid him, if his conscience is good before God, then God sees it.
but it is not the only form of baptism.
The baptism Christ gives is so much more powerful.  He sees right inside the heart, whereas man does not.  
You know there are alot of churches today who do not preach the truth,
yet they baptise many,
and if they are not preaching the truth,
then what does God have to do with them?
Can't you see this?
The disciples back then were trustworthy,
but not now.
Definately not now.

Matthew 24:13   But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
But you say, no whoever is baptised with water is saved.
 Christ says the opposite.
…. If you endure to the end…..  
So which one is it?

Many get water baptised, but Christ said this;
Mark 4:17   And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
Did the water baptism save them?

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I have shown you many other scriptures. I have shown you writings from the earliest church, and how dangerous and evil they believed the denial of water baptism was, and you have ignored them all.

You showed me strange flesh.  Not the word of God.  I did not accept those writings as the word of God.
You are holding on so tight to them.
Like that plastic ball.  Can't you see, you are holding on to men's teachings.
Plastic is man made.
God is showing you something here, but you refuse to see.
You need to catch some precious stones, or some good big fruits.
These come from God.  
precious stones means wisdom, and fruits mean your works.

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“I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit”

You still cannot see this.  Must be born flesh first, then changed to spirit.  Just like Christ did.  We must follow after him.
We must come out of our mothers womb first, which is filled with water, then changed at the resurrection and turned to spirit before physically enter the kingdom (in our new spiritual bodies)
A real kingdom where we can see Christ and our Father face to face, and talk to them,
and meet with an innumerable company of angels.

If you don't want to accept this truth,
and disagree
then so be it,
but you are acting childish with your cheap shots
and what's inside your heart is manifesting for all to see,
and it is definately not brotherly love,
shame on you 2Besse.

[2besee]

Journey, yes let's get back to topic, the order of events. Continue.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,23:19)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,03:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,18:23) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,21:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,13:02) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,17:57) Yes that is what my contributions have said. Res. Resting. Why dont you share your knowledge,so we also can learn? wakeup. Wup Who his WE You say the same thing to me Terra. We; as for all here in HN,except you,for you dont need learning,you know it all,because you have many bibles. wakeup. Why are you so sarcastic I love to learn the truth of God Terra. If you really like to increase in knowledge,you must except what is given to you straight from the scriptures. And you can learn plenty. wakeup.

Wup

I do learn from when you quote scriptures ,it refresh my memory ,wbut it is rare that you quote scriptures ,only opinions

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,09:39)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,23:19) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,03:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,18:23) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,21:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,13:02) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 28 2013,17:57) Yes that is what my contributions have said. Res. Resting. Why dont you share your knowledge,so we also can learn? wakeup. Wup Who his WE You say the same thing to me Terra. We; as for all here in HN,except you,for you dont need learning,you know it all,because you have many bibles. wakeup. Why are you so sarcastic I love to learn the truth of God Terra. If you really like to increase in knowledge,you must except what is given to you straight from the scriptures. And you can learn plenty. wakeup. Wup I do learn from when you quote scriptures ,it refresh my memory ,wbut it is rare that you quote scriptures ,only opinions

Terra.

You must also be humble enough to ask questions.
And if you disagree with the answers,then state why,
and quote some scriptures.
If I see; that you are right;I will say Terra;yes you are right,I have learned something here, thank you.

But if I am right;I will say sorry Terra, cause you misunderstood,
and this or that is the reason.

One thing I appreciate is that you are very active in prophecies.You have the spirit of seeking,but also the spirit of self defence,with no reasons.Just defence,with no scriptures to defend.

wakeup.

[journey42]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 29 2013,08:12)

Journey, yes let's get back to topic, the order of events. Continue.

Ok, thank you,
I will then.

[2besee]

Res?

[2besee]

So Res, you are studying the book of Revelations. an interesting book to study.
Do you believe that it is in any type of order?
The feeling i had was that it is not, the eastern church also say this.

[Resting]

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So Res, you are studying the book of Revelations. an interesting book to study. Do you believe that it is in any type of order? The feeling i had was that it is not, the eastern church also say this.

Hi 2 becee,

The seals of the book of Rev. give the overiding order of events.

Christ returns in the sixth seal as described there in Rev.ch 6.

This also is the time of the 6th and 7th trumpet.

It is in the 7th seal that the wrath of God begins with the vials.

and it is at the 7th vial that Armageddon occurs along with the binding and sealing of satan in the pit for the thousand years to begin.

Res.

[2besee]

Hi Res.

I have not opened that book for a while but i will.

I had a feeling the first time I ever read it that things were reiterated and not in chronological order apart from in some places.

But I will look at the part you are talking about and get back to you as soon as I have finished.

[2besee]

Good to see you are still around

[Resting]

Ok ,

I will pop in now and then to see.

Res.

[2besee]

Res, I'll post as I read, (even if it is a bit off topic).

Rev 15:2

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire, and them that had overcome the beast.

John 16:33

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

The beast = The world?

[2besee]

Hi.
The whole chapter of Rev 14 is clearly past, (Jerusalem 70AD and the 144000 sealed from the tribes of Israel)
Now you see, the book clearly is not in any type of order and things are reiterated.

The reason I am up to Rev 14 is because I had read from chapter 6 right through.
I will go back over it.

There is also more than one “Day of the Lord/Return of Jesus”. Again, the stories are clearly being retold from a different perspective.
Okay I will keep reading.

[journey42]

Resting,Mar. wrote:

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Christ returns in the sixth seal as described there in Rev.ch 6.

Rev 10:7   But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Everything is done.  Finished. No more plagues except what actually happens on that day when he comes.  eg hailstone, earthquake.  Why send 7 more plagues (7 vials) when babylon is destroyed already?

Christ returns on the 7th seal which is the 7th Angel/7th trumpet/7th vial…”IT IS DONE”

Rev 16:17   And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven from the throne, saying, It is done.

Resting you are wrong by the way, about the trumpets and the vials being separate events, why? simply because the people in the trumpets and the vials have the mark of the beast, and this (mark of the beast) only happens once, not twice.
The vials and the trumpets correlate.  Just like Matthew, Mark & Luke, they tell the same story but give different details.  

Example.
1st Trumpet – affects the earth
1st Vial = the earth

2nd Trumpet – the sea (becomes blood)
2nd Vial – the sea (becomes blood)

3rd Trumpet – the rivers and fountains of water
3rd Vial – the rivers and fountains of water

4th Trumpet – the sun smitten, and moon and stars
4th Vial – men scorched with great heat

5th Trumpet – men tormented and in great pain
5th Vial – men gnawing their tongues because of great pain

6th Trumpet – Angels loosed from the Euphrates river to gather the armies
6th Vial – Euphrates river dried up, armies gather for Armageddon

7th Trumpet – Mystery of God FINISHED.
7th Vial – It is done (FINISHED)

Study these scriptures, and judge fairly before you comment.

[Resting]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,21:47)

Res, I'll post as I read, (even if it is a bit off topic). Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire, and them that had overcome the beast. John 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” The beast = The world?

2 besee,

The overcoming of the beast must be reference to keeping the faith to the end of ones days rather than to overcoming the beast with its armies at Armageddon, not to say you were thinking that.

The beast in most all of the world at the end–

Rev 13:8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The beast of Rev.13 has two elements to it in that of the King, and its queen the religious element, (Dan2:2) as was in the time of King Neb of the book of Daniel. Daniel gives the description of the beast of Babylon which is better said -the Babylonic beast, because it is in the end time , in the whole earth, not confined to any past geography, though the Babylonic Beasts home ground is with the ten kings, described as the feet with ten toes (Kings) Rev.17. The feet consisting of iron and clay which do not mix, showing up the two kinds of Rev 13:8 well.

So Rev.ch 13 needs to be read with the book of Daniel in mind and Daniel ch 12 speaking of the beasts 3.5 years as is in Rev.

Res.

[Resting]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,23:36)

Hi. The whole chapter of Rev 14 is clearly past, (Jerusalem 70AD and the 144000 sealed from the tribes of Israel) Now you see, the book clearly is not in any type of order and things are reiterated. The reason I am up to Rev 14 is because I had read from chapter 6 right through. I will go back over it. There is also more than one “Day of the Lord/Return of Jesus”. Again, the stories are clearly being retold from a different perspective. Okay I will keep reading.

2 Besee,

There is only one time of the return of Christ and with it one resurrection of the saints, but described several times and is the key to the timeline of the events.

Just find them all and mark them on a line on a sheet of paper and see the before and the after events at each description and most will become clear in order.

The similarity of future events to the events of the past does not place the future events in the past because they have differences, but yes the past events are a helpful guide.

Ecc 1:9  The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10  Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Res.

[2besee]

Quote (Resting @ Mar. 31 2013,12:19)

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,21:47) Res, I'll post as I read, (even if it is a bit off topic). Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire, and them that had overcome the beast. John 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” The beast = The world? 2 besee, The overcoming of the beast must be reference to keeping the faith to the end of ones days rather than to overcoming the beast with its armies at Armageddon, not to say you were thinking that. The beast in most all of the world at the end– Rev 13:8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The beast of Rev.13 has two elements to it in that of the King, and its queen the religious element, (Dan2:2) as was in the time of King Neb of the book of Daniel. Daniel gives the description of the beast of Babylon which is better said -the Babylonic beast, because it is in the end time , in the whole earth, not confined to any past geography, though the Babylonic Beasts home ground is with the ten kings, described as the feet with ten toes (Kings) Rev.17. The feet consisting of iron and clay which do not mix, showing up the two kinds of Rev 13:8 well. So Rev.ch 13 needs to be read with the book of Daniel in mind and Daniel ch 12 speaking of the beasts 3.5 years as is in Rev. Res.

Hi Res,

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Rev 13:8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I bolded “Him” in your scripture to show you the difference in versions.

International Standard Version (©2012)
(Apparently a really literal version)

All those who had become settled down and at home, living on the earth, will worship it, everyone whose name had not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the lamb that had been slaughtered since the foundation of the world.

English Standard Version (©2001)
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

http://biblos.com/revelation/13-8.htm

Just pointing out the difference.

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Daniel, I will read that again soon once I have finished Revelations. Thanks.

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