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Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2013,20:08) Resting,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Ezekiel Gog and Magog is future before/ at the beginning of the thousand years and Gog and Magog of Rev.ch 20 is after the thousand years. Res
Like I said, you are not alone with that interpretation. The whole christian world believes this.
I have laid my cards on the table giving reasons why they are not the same battle. No point in doing it again. Now it's up to you to give proof to back your claim.
I do not understand why journey 42 would think I said they were the same battle when I had said they were a thousand years apart on more than one occasion.Res.
Wakeup I do not know about you, but I have my rest now. I had a long life and it was not peaceful at all. Regardless of what may happen, I rest in Jesus' rest. Amen. Think spiritually, Wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,20:00) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,12:23) Satan has not beem limited in my view. He has been overpowered by the gospel when people believe.
Satan is still destroying the lives of people, and is still working in many churches.
Look around.
Res.
Resting,
Okay.
You believe that Satan has not been bound yet.
You also rightly say that evil exists, just look around.I believe that Satan has been bound since the cross, but has been let lose to deceive the whole world one last time, so yes, if you can see it and feel it (the deception) then that is good, because it is a “deception” and when people are being deceived they do not know that they are being deceived.
As for evil existing and us seeing evil existing in our lifetime, then yes, evil has always existed. But look what James says as one example:[9] Let the lowly brother boast in his exaltation,
[10] and the rich in his humiliation, because like the flower of the grass he will pass away.
[11] For the sun rises with its scorching heat and withers the grass; its flower falls, and its beauty perishes. So will the rich man fade away in the midst of his pursuits.
[12] Blessed is the man who endures trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him.
[13] Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one;
[14] but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
[15] Then, desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death.
[16] Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.Come on people, wake up. How on earth could the good news of the coming kingdom of God be preached in all of the world if Satan had been in full power all of that time??
Death had to be destroyed first and he that had the power over death.
Jesus said:'How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.' Matthew 12:29.
The strong man (The Devil) was bound.
This is explained here:“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. Hebrews 2:14.
That verse matches this one:
Rev.20:1-3.
“Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain.
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while.And I believe that we are up to Revelations 20:7.
2 Besee,If Satan was bound at the cross, then his release would undo the work of the cross.
Satan's ability to deceive was just as strong as ever when the early church was being killed after the cross.
The future binding of satan is said to be by a strong angel as if using a chain and shut in a pit, which is out of sight and far away from any living on the earth.
I find it strange that the first deception of satan is to by his saying he is not here, it is only your imagination.
Res.
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2013,20:59) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,14:00) Quote Some things are very obvious. However when you understand trumpets and who is being judged by them then you may be very upset depening on where you stand.
It is not right to overlay trumpets on the vials.
Thet are nseparate events at different times.
Christ returns at the seventh trumpet for the one time only of the resurrection and it is only then after a sort time that the vials begin.
Hi Resting
JUST BEFORE THE TRUMPETS
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev 8:3 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets (THE TRUMPETS HERE ARE SYMBOLS. WHEN A TRUMPET BLOWS BEFORE A WAR, IT MEANS ATTACK NOW. WHICH IS WHY GOD IS COMMANDING THE ANGEL TO BLOW THE TRUMPET. JUST TO LET US KNOW THAT HIS WRATH IS STARTING. THE WORLD WON'T KNOW OBVIOUSLY)Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angels hand. (THIS IS WHEN GOD WILL AVENGE THE SAINTS. THEIR PRAYERS ANSWERED NOW. THIS DAY IT STARTS)
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.JUST BEFORE THE VIALS
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. (A VIAL HOLDS LIQUID. IT IS SYMBOLISING THAT GOD IS GOING TO POUR OUT HIS WRATH, THE FIRST TRUMPET BLOWS, THE FIRST VIAL POURED, THE SECOND TRUMPET BLOWS, THE SECOND VIAL POURED,….ETC, ETC UNTIL THE LAST TRUMPET AND VIAL)Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture (STRAIGHT, NOT WATERED DOWN) into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:I'll continue this later, just read this for now. Then we can compare the trumpets to the vials, and you will see a pattern.
J42,The first 6 trumpets of Rev.ch 8 and 9 concern the demise of the church institutions and the sinners of them.
Trumpets are to do with Gods Household.
Trumpets lead up to the 7th trumpet return of Christ and the resurrection.
The vials of wrath concern the beasts kingdom and its worshippers which according to Rev.ch 13 encompasses most all of the world's people at the end. Rev. 13:8
The punishers of the disobedient of the churches in Rev.ch 9 are firstly the beast worshipping religious, but the 200 million army of the 6th trumpet is of the ten kings of Rev.ch 17:16.
and is not the Gog Magog army of Ez.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 27 2013,09:41) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2013,20:08) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,13:55) Quote Ezekiel Gog and Magog is future before/ at the beginning of the thousand years and Gog and Magog of Rev.ch 20 is after the thousand years. Res
Like I said, you are not alone with that interpretation. The whole christian world believes this.
I have laid my cards on the table giving reasons why they are not the same battle. No point in doing it again. Now it's up to you to give proof to back your claim.
I do not understand why journey 42 would think I said they were the same battle when I had said they were a thousand years apart on more than one occasion.Res.
Resting.There is no scriptural evidence gog and magog happened before.
There was no one called Gog then,and there was no place(country) called Magog.Magog, Meshech,Tubal,Togarmah etc; these are future nations,formed during the 1000yrs.(gentile nations).
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 27 2013,10:34) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 27 2013,09:41) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2013,20:08) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,13:55) Quote Ezekiel Gog and Magog is future before/ at the beginning of the thousand years and Gog and Magog of Rev.ch 20 is after the thousand years. Res
Like I said, you are not alone with that interpretation. The whole christian world believes this.
I have laid my cards on the table giving reasons why they are not the same battle. No point in doing it again. Now it's up to you to give proof to back your claim.
I do not understand why journey 42 would think I said they were the same battle when I had said they were a thousand years apart on more than one occasion.Res.
Resting.There is no scriptural evidence gog and magog happened before.
There was no one called Gog then,and there was no place(country) called Magog.Magog, Meshech,Tubal,Togarmah etc; these are future nations,formed during the 1000yrs.(gentile nations).
wakeup.
I never said it happened before.Res.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 27 2013,02:48) Quote (2besee @ Mar. 26 2013,22:54) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 27 2013,00:32) Resting. Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them ***THAT ARE AT REST***, **THAT DWELL SAFELY**, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
THESE ARE THEM THAT ARE AT REST.
THE 1000YR REST IS NOT YET,THEREFORE THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE.THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS.REV,20:9.
wakeup.
Wakeup you have not entered the rest? Well, I guess again that you are ignoring scriptures.
Such as these.
Hebrews 4:1-16
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.” …Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.Quote Its not hard to twist the scriptures to please your doctrine. Same to you and Journey and Devo.
2Besee.You have confused the two; rest and peace.
Jesus said; they will persecute you as they have persecuted me.There is no rest in this world,we still have our problems.
But the peace inside we have,despite of all our problems.Paul went through great problems.(not rest).
But despite all; he has peace in the Lord. You need to decern the scriptures,so far you have failed to do that.The rest will only come on the 7th day,a one day rest.
The 7th day is coming,and israel will have a 1000yr rest,in the kingdom, called the camp of the saints(israel). And the resurrected saints will inherit the kingdom of heaven.
The world has always rejected knowledge,and it appears that your spirit can not connect with the truth.
You have no spiritual connection with the truth.wakeup.
Quote The world has always rejected knowledge,and it appears that your spirit can not connect with the truth.
You have no spiritual connection with the truth.Wakeup, let me take the plank out of my eyes.
You are one of the most hypocritical judgmental people I have met.
For all of the judgments that you mete out to others, YOU are exactly what you say that THEY ARE.Also, you only judge those who are a threat to your Doctrine.
For those who are NOT a threat, you praise them and find agreement, though you will say the opposite thing to exactly the same thing said by one who you see as a threat.By judging you, I have got down to your level.
I should not let that happen.You want agreement? Then learn who is actually interest in discussions, but is not necessarily in agreement with everything that you say…… And realize that you may be wrong in some things!
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 27 2013,11:41) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 26 2013,20:08) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 26 2013,13:55) Quote Ezekiel Gog and Magog is future before/ at the beginning of the thousand years and Gog and Magog of Rev.ch 20 is after the thousand years. Res
Like I said, you are not alone with that interpretation. The whole christian world believes this.
I have laid my cards on the table giving reasons why they are not the same battle. No point in doing it again. Now it's up to you to give proof to back your claim.
I do not understand why journey 42 would think I said they were the same battle when I had said they were a thousand years apart on more than one occasion.Res.
That is what happens.
Quote (Resting @ Mar. 27 2013,11:50)
2 Besee,If Satan was bound at the cross, then his release would undo the work of the cross.
Satan's ability to deceive was just as strong as ever when the early church was being killed after the cross.
The future binding of satan is said to be by a strong angel as if using a chain and shut in a pit, which is out of sight and far away from any living on the earth.
I find it strange that the first deception of satan is to by his saying he is not here, it is only your imagination.
Res.
Okay, so then what do you think that this means?
'How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.' Matthew 12:29.
Or this:
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. Hebrews 2:14.
Please, thanks.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 27 2013,09:42) Wakeup I do not know about you, but I have my rest now. I had a long life and it was not peaceful at all. Regardless of what may happen, I rest in Jesus' rest. Amen. Think spiritually, Wakeup.
2Besee.Anyone that claims he is at rest now is not telling the truth.
We all have our health problems and some family problems
or some financial propblems and you name it propblems.But despite of all that,true followers will still have peace inside.
The *REST* will only comes in the 1000yr kingdom.(THE 7TH DAY REST).
Where *ALL* chosen jews will have their rest in the kingdom.(THEIR PARADISE,NO TEARS,NO SORROWS,NO PAIN).
THE RESURRECTED SAINTS HAVE INHERITED THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.wakeup.
Wakeup,
You said: “Anyone that claims he is at rest now is not telling the truth.”
Wakeup, say it again : “Anyone……….that claims he is at rest is not telling the truth” Yet Jesus said that He would give us rest. So are you saying then, that Jesus, is that “Anyone” who is not telling the truth?
Read these scriptures slowly and really meditate on them.
Hebrews 4:1-16
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.” …Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.You said:
Quote We all have our health problems and some family problems
or some financial propblems and you name it propblems.But despite of all that,true followers will still have peace inside.
Yes, we have problems. BUT with Jesus, we have inner peace and we have REST. We lean on Him. Our minds and our spirits are at peace and at rest, where previously they were not (well, in my case I was not).
It is not that problems have gone away but that our fretting over those problems have gone away. We have peace because we no longer fear. We are no longer afraid. And, like a person who has labored heavily all of their life, finally at rest and relaxing, so are we. Not physically (necessarily) but spiritually. And then, hopefully, we will then enter into Gods eternal kingdom, which is something that man could never even imagine according to the scriptures.
So again, Jesus said “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
And that is the truth.
I hope that you will enter into the rest, Wakeup, which is now.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 27 2013,12:21) Quote (Resting @ Mar. 27 2013,11:50)
2 Besee,If Satan was bound at the cross, then his release would undo the work of the cross.
Satan's ability to deceive was just as strong as ever when the early church was being killed after the cross.
The future binding of satan is said to be by a strong angel as if using a chain and shut in a pit, which is out of sight and far away from any living on the earth.
I find it strange that the first deception of satan is to by his saying he is not here, it is only your imagination.
Res.
Okay, so then what do you think that this means?
'How can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.' Matthew 12:29.
Or this:
“For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. Hebrews 2:14.
Please, thanks.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.Jesus was spoiling the strong mans goods after he had bound the strong man.
Think about that.
When Christ returns He will not only bind the strong man but shut him up in a pit as well, and set a seal upon him.
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.and–
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.The devil still has the power of death upon unbelievers until he is cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20:10.
Men are still subject to bondage through the fear of death.
The devil is not yet destroyed, and the creation awaits the liberty of the sons of God. Rom ch 8.
Res.
Quote (2besee @ Mar. 27 2013,14:02) Wakeup, You said: “Anyone that claims he is at rest now is not telling the truth.”
Wakeup, say it again : “Anyone……….that claims he is at rest is not telling the truth” Yet Jesus said that He would give us rest. So are you saying then, that Jesus, is that “Anyone” who is not telling the truth?
Read these scriptures slowly and really meditate on them.
Hebrews 4:1-16
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.” …Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.You said:
Quote We all have our health problems and some family problems
or some financial propblems and you name it propblems.But despite of all that,true followers will still have peace inside.
Yes, we have problems. BUT with Jesus, we have inner peace and we have REST. We lean on Him. Our minds and our spirits are at peace and at rest, where previously they were not (well, in my case I was not).
It is not that problems have gone away but that our fretting over those problems have gone away. We have peace because we no longer fear. We are no longer afraid. And, like a person who has labored heavily all of their life, finally at rest and relaxing, so are we. Not physically (necessarily) but spiritually. And then, hopefully, we will then enter into Gods eternal kingdom, which is something that man could never even imagine according to the scriptures.
So again, Jesus said “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
And that is the truth.
I hope that you will enter into the rest, Wakeup, which is now.
2BESEE.Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
LADEN WITH WHAT? SPIRITUAL OR PHYSICAL?
I SAY SPIRITUAL. FOR WE STILL NEED TO SLAVE,AND SWEAT,BECAUSE WE STILL WANT TO HAVE THE BEST THINGS.Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
*REST UNTO YOUR SOULS*In the kingdom there will be *REST* from slaving and from the enemy and from sorrows and pain,and oppression.
The *REST* is only for one day(1000yrs); THEN EVERLASTING LIFEwakeup.
Wakeup,
The coming against Israel in safety occurs shorthly after their gathering from the nantions and the expulsion of its sinners from the land at the beginning of the millennium.
The wicked want to get dominion over them back, so they are gathered there by the 6th vial but then Christ comes down upon them from the air. Rev.19. Ez 38:14-23
and the survivors of the nations witness the event.
There are no nations as such after the thousand years.
Res.
Hi Resting.
Satan is not destroyed yet because he is let lose for a little while just before the end. That is now i believe.
Read 2nd Peter 3, and tell me what you think, and what you think Peter means by the thousand years.Quote
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
LADEN WITH WHAT? SPIRITUAL OR PHYSICAL?
I SAY SPIRITUAL. FOR WE STILL NEED TO SLAVE,AND SWEAT,BECAUSE WE STILL WANT TO HAVE THE BEST THINGS.Wakeup, that is what I said.
No need to wait for a future temporary millennium, the kingdom to come is for eternity and the day of salvation is now.Quote I do not understand why journey 42 would think I said they were the same battle when I had said they were a thousand years apart on more than one occasion. Res.
Quote Ezekiel Gog and Magog is future before/ at the beginning of the thousand years and Gog and Magog of Rev.ch 20 is after the thousand years. Resting,
I said that because …..if…. the Ezekiel Gog and Magog is future before the thousand years,
then this would make it the same battle of Armageddon (Rev 16:16)
…..which is only a continuation of the 200,000,000 men which prepare for war. (Rev 9:16). This is the total number of men who will be gathered there from all nations.This is what the christian world think also,
that this is the same war before the return of Christ.They interpret Ezekiel Gog and Magog as that great same battle just before Christ's return,
when all the troops go into Israel.I'm glad you realise that the Gog and Magog of Rev is AFTER the thousand years
and that it's future for us.
That's a start, we agree on this,
but you are failing to see that the connection of Ezekiel is that same war as Rev AFTER the 1000 years, when the holy camp is attacked.There is only one Gog and Magog.
They are attacking the holy camp,
which is the camp of the saints.
There is no camp of the saints there in Israel now or when Christ returns.
Israel went bad don't forget.
And the christians are scattered throughout the earth,
they are not in just Israel.
When God punishes Babylon,
So in Ezekiel, Gog and Magog are surrounding the holy camp in Israel
there can only be a holy camp there during the millenium, and not before.
When God starts punishing before the Millennium, he will start with Israel first.
They will be occupied by others, (the false prophet and the beast)
and Israel's own power, authority, and military will be stripped off them. They will be brought down real low (This is God's doing)
They will be punished more than any other nation
because they turned their back on God.
They even blaspheme the name of Christ today, on a daily basis with pure hatred.
It's in all their t.v shows, talk shows, media, radio etc, and amongst students, and the general population,
not knowing that they are mocking their very own true Messiah that they murdered.
Well God sees this, and he saw it from the beginning,
and this last generation of Jews has become the most disobedient with all their behaviour.
They say they worship God, but it is only with their lips.
God says the cup is only clean on the outside, but inside it is filthy. (this goes for a lot of christians as well)
So punishment starts with Israel first, then the whole kingdom of Babylon get theirs too with the plagues.
and then at the 7th trump, Christ will come,
and destroy Babylon.
He will then bind up the strong man (throw Satan in Prison)
Then he will set up his kingdom here on earth,
and will rule with the saints.
It doesn't stop there, it starts. It's called the first dominion. The dominion of Christ for a thousand years.
The kingdom will be set up in Israel, with Jerusalem (City of Peace) it's headquarters. It's called the camp of the Saints because the saints who will be resurrected are there ruling with Christ.
They don't rule each other, they rule people.
Israel will be brought back in the flesh. The dead ones brought back to life….not to spirit, but to flesh, and they will live again, and die again, and this will go on for a thousand years. They will multiply and become like the number of the sand of the sea. They are Abrahams real descendants from his loins. God promised him, and us christians are the adopted children,
but they are the natural branches.
And they will learn of the lamb, and the saints will have their jobs to do. They will teach the Israelites, and the Israelites will teach the nations.
God will restore his glory among the heathen and he will do this through Israel.
This is when knowledge will cover the earth,
because the truth will flow out of Zion,
and there will not be all this arguing with christians back and forth over interpretations and meanings,
for the Lamb sets it straight.
and then after the 1000 years is finished, Satan is let out of Prison and stirs trouble again,
this is the battle of Gog and Magog.J42
Tell me ,why would they be a war ,or evil in God s Sabbath (1000 years) ,with only the ones declared righteous in the first resurrection , And Satan tied up and locked up
Quote J42, The first 6 trumpets of Rev.ch 8 and 9 concern the demise of the church institutions and the sinners of them.
Why would you think that? I don't really understand what you say?
look at this?The first trumpet
Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up (THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH…IT'S ABOUT THE EARTH. IF THE CHURCH IS “OF BABYLON” THEN THEY GET THE SAME MEASURE AS THE WORLD. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES.The second trumpet
Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood (CONTAMINATED) and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed. (NOW THE SEA IS GETTING IT. CREATURES DYING, FOOD SOURCES WILL GO LOW, 1/3 OF PEOPLE TRAVELING AND WORKING ON SHIPS WILL DIE)The third trumpet
Rev 8:9 And there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the foundations of waters.
Rev 8:10 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter (1/3 PART OF ALL FRESH WATER SUPPLIES CONTAMINATED. THIS AFFECTS THE WHOLE WORLD. THIS IS DONE THIS WAY SO THAT EVERYONE IS NOT DESTROYED. THERE ARE MORE PLAGUES TO COME, AND THE MAJOR CITIES ARE BEING SPARED FOR WHEN CHRIST COMES…HE WILL DESTROY THEM. THE BUILDINGS ETC..NOT ALL THE PEOPLE.)Quote Trumpets are to do with Gods Household.
In the old days, when there was a war and the troops were prepared for battle, the sound of the horn meant “ATTACK”. They had no loud speakers in those days. If the horn played a certain melody, then it mean't to stop the attack, or it mean't to surrender. These trumpets are only symbolic. It means that God is saying “Attack”, and his angels are doing the work for him.Quote Trumpets lead up to the 7th trumpet return of Christ and the resurrection
YesQuote The vials of wrath concern the beasts kingdom and its worshippers which according to Rev.ch 13 encompasses most all of the world's people at the end. Rev. 13:8
The leader of this end time beast causes …ALL …both small or great, rich or poor, free or slave to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. This means that the WHOLE WORLD has been decieved by this end time beast's system. He's got them. Too late to turn around now, they already ALL received the mark. All who are receiving the mark is the whole world. The nations which go against the beast still have the mark and still receive the vials, which are the same as the trumpets. They have already been initiated, whether they like it or not.Quote The punishers of the disobedient of the churches in Rev.ch 9 are firstly the beast worshipping religious, but the 200 million army of the 6th trumpet is of the ten kings of Rev.ch 17:16. No it's all the armies combined. The 4 angels that were bound in the euphrates river and let out, are PREPARING MEN TO WAR. They are stirring trouble.
Quote and is not the Gog Magog army of Ez.
This I agree.Res, if you are not proud, and would like to understand better, then we can teach you. I can put more effort into explaining things. Everything I say can be backed up with scripture. I'm just so tired of all this, and soon time for me to leave this site.
No one here has ever accepted anything I say. Everything is rejected. I am confident and stand by what I teach. I have made a few errors here and there, but God always corrects me straight away. I have to go by and correct something I said earlier about Christ being in the sky at the 6th trumpet. I was wrong. It's the 7th trumpet when he comes. I've always known this, but somehow thought I saw something new when I didn't. My mistake. I hate that. Sorry .
Take care.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,01:15) J42 Tell me ,why would they be a war ,or evil in God s Sabbath (1000 years) ,with only the ones declared righteous in the first resurrection , And Satan tied up and locked up
Pierre,Because it's not during the sabbath (1000 year rest)
It's AFTER the sabbath,
when the 1000 years have expired,
this is when Satan is released from his prison.
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