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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2010,00:26) Hi LU,
So you say but you rely on some manuscripts.
Why do you use a capital G if he is not the God of Israel?
For US there is only one God as we, like Israel, are monotheistic
NickYHWH was the husband of Israel.
Jesus is the Husband of spiritual Israel the Church!
Figure it out!
Blessings WJ
Kathi
I looked through that, and did not realised what you said.
And you know what? I was wrong in answering you when I said the scriptures “DO” say that; THEY DO NOT SAY THAT, they do not say “only begotten god”, they say “SON”, only begotten SON, first born.
I been looking at the computer to long.
But you did not answer my 2 questions.How did all the angels come into existence?
What do you mean by “literal” son?Georg
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 28 2010,16:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,23:36) Hi LU,
He is like his Father because his Father was in him speaking and doing the miraculous works.Do you think he was another God doing his own miracles?[Acts 10.38]
Nick,
He is not “another” God. He is an only Begotten God. An “only” cannot be an “another.” He did nothing on His own initiative. The Father is not a Begotten God. The Son is a Begotten God according to this verse John 1:18 if the Greek word is “theos.”Adam wasn't a begotten man
Cain was a begotten man.
Both were men but they weren't each other. One was the father and one was the son.The Father wasn't a begotten God.
The Son was a Begotten God.
Both are God but they aren't each other. One is the Father and one is the Son.
wrong treadQuote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,00:27) Kathi What is the nature of God?
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
What is the nature of angels? are they not spirit?
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
The seed/nature of Abraham, flesh.
If Jesus is an only begotten, can he be anything else but the first begotten?(Think about it Georg, if the scripture does mean to say only begotten God and you say it cannot say that,)
The scriptures not only mean to say that, they “DO” say that, and were did I say ,”it cannot say that”?
Let me ask you this, how did all the angels come into existence?
What do you mean by “literal” son?Georg
Georg,You ask what the nature of God is. His body type is spirit, His nature is a deity nature. Our body type is flesh, our nature is a human nature. Angels body type is spirit, their nature is an angelic nature.
The nature of Abraham is human nature within a body of flesh.
You say:
Quote If Jesus is an only begotten, can he be anything else but the first begotten? If Jesus is an only begotten, He is the first and last begotten. Jesus is called the only begotten even after we become born again.
Quote Let me ask you this, how did all the angels come into existence? They were created through Christ, not begotten through Christ.
Col 1:13-17
13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold
NASUQuote What do you mean by “literal” son? God's actual offspring, His Firstborn and only born offspring.
Kathi
Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,00:47) Kathi I looked through that, and did not realised what you said.
And you know what? I was wrong in answering you when I said the scriptures “DO” say that; THEY DO NOT SAY THAT, they do not say “only begotten god”, they say “SON”, only begotten SON, first born.
I been looking at the computer to long.
But you did not answer my 2 questions.How did all the angels come into existence?
What do you mean by “literal” son?Georg
Georg,
The KJV says only begotten “son” but several other translations say “God.” The NET Bible concluded that the word in the Greek was “theos” which means God and that the KJV is wrong here. There was a scribal error. See the NASB.I answered your other questions while you were posting.
Kathi
Kathi
Well, I learned something.
Flesh + human = us
Spirit + angelic = angels
Spirit + deity = God
Flesh + beast = animals.
You make it so easy to understand.Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,01:07) Kathi Well, I learned something.
Flesh + human = us
Spirit + angelic = angels
Spirit + deity = God
Flesh + beast = animals.
You make it so easy to understand.Georg
Glad to help! Now I can get some rest
G'nite
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Feb. 28 2010,17:02) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,00:47) Kathi I looked through that, and did not realised what you said.
And you know what? I was wrong in answering you when I said the scriptures “DO” say that; THEY DO NOT SAY THAT, they do not say “only begotten god”, they say “SON”, only begotten SON, first born.
I been looking at the computer to long.
But you did not answer my 2 questions.How did all the angels come into existence?
What do you mean by “literal” son?Georg
Georg,
The KJV says only begotten “son” but several other translations say “God.” The NET Bible concluded that the word in the Greek was “theos” which means God and that the KJV is wrong here. There was a scribal error. See the NASB.I answered your other questions while you were posting.
Kathi
Hi LU,
So if Jesus called men GODS should we worship them ?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 28 2010,16:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2010,00:26) Hi LU,
So you say but you rely on some manuscripts.
Why do you use a capital G if he is not the God of Israel?
For US there is only one God as we, like Israel, are monotheistic
NickYHWH was the husband of Israel.
Jesus is the Husband of spiritual Israel the Church!
Figure it out!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,
Should we read between the lines and conclude Jesus is his own father, the God of Israel?Funny he did not say so [Jn8.54] but then your masters do and that is enough for you.
Then WHO was the God Who was IN HIM?[2cor5
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 28 2010,16:02) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 27 2010,22:28) LU Posted: Feb. 28 2010,12:05
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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 27 2010,19:47)
LUA couple of time, John calls Jesus the only begotten Son.
So, we know that the NET translators concluded that the term in John 1:18 is “God” and not “Son.”
It can't be both, it is either “God” or “Son.”
If it is “God” then that verse is extremely significant. It is one of those questions that we take to the Father for wisdom.
Have you asked Him, Nick? Has He answered you? If so, how.
LU
is this in Jn1;18 represent the entire scriptures view or is this your vision out of the context of the scriptures,
in this case it is of NO importance.terraricca,
Be careful not to diminish scripture because you have trouble with it. Do not call what is good…evil and do not call what is evil…good. I am just presenting God's word and encouraging other's to seek wisdom from God, not from myself or others.
did you read correctly what i said??
unless what you are try to define, as to be in according to the entire spirit of the scriptures or it would only be your opinion,
terraricca,If my view does not line up with God's view, then my view is certainly not important. On the other hand, if my view does line up with God's view then it is important.
You have to seek God on this:
Does the term “Only Begotten Son of God” mean the same thing as the term “Only Begotten God?”
Consider this, when Adam and Eve gave birth to Cain, Cain was the “only begotten son of man”…right? That would have made Cain “the only begotten man” at the time since Abel wasn't born yet and Adam and Eve were created and not begotten. Cain certainly wouldn't have been an only begotten demi-man, he would be fully man.
terraricca, if you want to learn how to quote posts and make your posts clearer, you can go practice in the “testing posts” section at the top of the forum. It could help people follow along with your thinking. Just follow this link and read what Not3in1 says.
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….6;st=40
If I can help, let me know.
Kathi
i lUI THINK I GOT IT
thanks
Let me give you my two cents. Jesus is not only the firstborn of all creation in Col, 1:15 and Rev, 3:14, but He is also called God, John 1:1 and Hebrew 1:8-9
Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus never claimed to be the Jehovah God however, The word God is title and many at that time were called God's. Even Satan was called God.
He is the begotten Son of God. In Proverbs 8:22-30 all talk about Jesus and the Wisdom of Jesus. Wisdom is not born here, because Wisdom could never be a master craftsman. In verse 25 it says that He was brought forth.(Jesus)
He is the Son of God, however if we think about it, we too are the Sons of God and in
Corinth. 15:28……so that God may be all in all. If you believe that God is title or a Family name it is easy to understand that neither begotten Son or the Word God, is all talking about Jesus, and is not contradicting at all like some might think.Let me also give you a Scripture that tells of the Word in Rev. 19:13
“He was clothed with a rob dipped in blood, and His Name is the Word of God. I see that the Word became Jesus, John 1:14 and when He went back what He was before, He is called the Word of God again. John 17:5 “And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory I had with You before the world was. At least that is what it looks like to me, because of the Scripture in Rev. 19:13 I could be wrong about that, I always say time will tell. But it does make sense to me, John !:! before He became flesh in verse 14 He does. Then He asks His Father that He wants to go back were He was before in John 17:5. I also believe that He was not deity before He became man. Deity cannot die. But Jesus now has deity and never will die again….It all was the Plan of Jehovah God. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that through Him all will be saveth. God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that through Him all may be saveth…..Thanks to both the Word and Jehovah God. Praise the LORD forever…….
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Lightenup @ Feb. 28 2010,10:58) Hello all,
Much is made about the term “monogenes theos” in John 1:18. Some on here don't even translate “monogenes” when they recite the verse that it is found in. They just say “monogenes….” Of course, I don't think that the word “only” is giving us the fullness of the term. The Greek word “monos” is where we get “only” and if John meant “the only one” he could have used “monos” as he did 10 times in the Book of John. So, I do believe that “only begotten God” is the best translation of “monogenes theos” but that is not what I want to focus on in this topic.Here is John 1:18 in a few translations that agree with theos (god) and not huios (son) as the correct Greek word in the original Greek text.
Quote John 1:18 NET ©
No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known.NIV ©
No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.NASB ©
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.This verse is loaded with important truths but only a couple of things seem to get discussed, i.e. what “monogenes” means and that no one has ever seen God. That represents only half of this verse though.
Let's look at each phrase as we see it in the above translations:
No one has ever seen God/No one has seen God at any time
The only one, himself God/God the One and Only/the only begotten God
who is in closest fellowship with the Father/who is at the Father's side/who is in the bosom of the Father,
has made God known/has made him known/He has explained Him.
This verse is talking about Jesus. Read the context:
Quote 1:14 Now 34 the Word became flesh 35 and took up residence 36 among us. We 37 saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, 38 full of grace and truth, who came from the Father. 1:15 John 39 testified 40 about him and shouted out, 41 “This one was the one about whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is greater than I am, 42 because he existed before me.’” 1:16 For we have all received from his fullness one gracious gift after another. 43 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but 44 grace and truth came about through Jesus Christ. 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, 45 himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 46 the Father, has made God 47 known. 48 So, Jesus Christ is the God that is with the Father God in some way, whether He is in the Father's bosom, or in the closest fellowship with the Father, or at the Father's side.
Jesus is not the Father,
Jesus is not a plan in this verse,
Jesus is the only God that explains the Father God.Think about it.
Kathi
LUis there anything changed in the final layout of what you say,
we know that Jesus is the son of God the father,no one Deny's this,he is the only begotten son ,what means he is the first what God the father as made,and he is a son because the father took from himself to make him ,this obviously make Jesus the son,but not God the father ,but he can be called god to whoever is created after and through him,it would not be wrong,but worship still is to the father.Ex;Adam ,son Cain ,son Enoch.SO WE CAN SAY ADAM IS THE FATHER OF CAIN,CAIN IS FATHER TO ENOCH AND SO ON;
BUT CAIN OR ENOCH CAN NEVER BE ADAMOF CAUSE THEY ARE ALL MEN.
IN JESUS CASE WE CAN SAY THEY ALL ARE SPIRITS BUT NOT GODS,GOD IS A TITLE AND SPIRIT IS THIER NATURE ,
SO IT IS THE LIKE OF MEN IS THIER NATURE,BEING FATHER IS THIER TITLE.SO WHATEVER YOU FLIP-FLOP ON THE TITLE IN THIS SITUTATION DOES NOT CHANGE THE MAIN CARRACTER
Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,06:23) Let me give you my two cents. Jesus is not only the firstborn of all creation in Col, 1:15 and Rev, 3:14, but He is also called God, John 1:1 and Hebrew 1:8-9
Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus never claimed to be the Jehovah God however, The word God is title and many at that time were called God's. Even Satan was called God.
He is the begotten Son of God. In Proverbs 8:22-30 all talk about Jesus and the Wisdom of Jesus. Wisdom is not born here, because Wisdom could never be a master craftsman. In verse 25 it says that He was brought forth.(Jesus)
He is the Son of God, however if we think about it, we too are the Sons of God and in
Corinth. 15:28……so that God may be all in all. If you believe that God is title or a Family name it is easy to understand that neither begotten Son or the Word God, is all talking about Jesus, and is not contradicting at all like some might think.Let me also give you a Scripture that tells of the Word in Rev. 19:13
“He was clothed with a rob dipped in blood, and His Name is the Word of God. I see that the Word became Jesus, John 1:14 and when He went back what He was before, He is called the Word of God again. John 17:5 “And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory I had with You before the world was. At least that is what it looks like to me, because of the Scripture in Rev. 19:13 I could be wrong about that, I always say time will tell. But it does make sense to me, John !:! before He became flesh in verse 14 He does. Then He asks His Father that He wants to go back were He was before in John 17:5. I also believe that He was not deity before He became man. Deity cannot die. But Jesus now has deity and never will die again….It all was the Plan of Jehovah God. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that through Him all will be saveth. God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that through Him all may be saveth…..Thanks to both the Word and Jehovah God. Praise the LORD forever…….
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Irene,
Thanks for your two centsI agree with a lot of what you say except I think that Jesus was deity from the beginning as John 1:1 tells us.
The scriptures do say that God cannot die but I think that is referring to the Most High God. I'm guessing here, but, if the Most High God died then creation could not continue for a second. That is why the Son had to come and not the Father. But again, that is just my thoughts on the matter.
Love,
KathiHi LU,
When you say he was DEITY before he came what do you mean?Do you mean he on his own throne and was worshiped and if so by whom ?
God told the angels to worship him but that was after his birth.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2010,06:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 28 2010,10:58) Hello all,
Much is made about the term “monogenes theos” in John 1:18. Some on here don't even translate “monogenes” when they recite the verse that it is found in. They just say “monogenes….” Of course, I don't think that the word “only” is giving us the fullness of the term. The Greek word “monos” is where we get “only” and if John meant “the only one” he could have used “monos” as he did 10 times in the Book of John. So, I do believe that “only begotten God” is the best translation of “monogenes theos” but that is not what I want to focus on in this topic.Here is John 1:18 in a few translations that agree with theos (god) and not huios (son) as the correct Greek word in the original Greek text.
Quote John 1:18 NET ©
No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known.NIV ©
No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.NASB ©
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.This verse is loaded with important truths but only a couple of things seem to get discussed, i.e. what “monogenes” means and that no one has ever seen God. That represents only half of this verse though.
Let's look at each phrase as we see it in the above translations:
No one has ever seen God/No one has seen God at any time
The only one, himself God/God the One and Only/the only begotten God
who is in closest fellowship with the Father/who is at the Father's side/who is in the bosom of the Father,
has made God known/has made him known/He has explained Him.
This verse is talking about Jesus. Read the context:
Quote 1:14 Now 34 the Word became flesh 35 and took up residence 36 among us. We 37 saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, 38 full of grace and truth, who came from the Father. 1:15 John 39 testified 40 about him and shouted out, 41 “This one was the one about whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is greater than I am, 42 because he existed before me.’” 1:16 For we have all received from his fullness one gracious gift after another. 43 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but 44 grace and truth came about through Jesus Christ. 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, 45 himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 46 the Father, has made God 47 known. 48 So, Jesus Christ is the God that is with the Father God in some way, whether He is in the Father's bosom, or in the closest fellowship with the Father, or at the Father's side.
Jesus is not the Father,
Jesus is not a plan in this verse,
Jesus is the only God that explains the Father God.Think about it.
Kathi
LUis there anything changed in the final layout of what you say,
we know that Jesus is the son of God the father,no one Deny's this,he is the only begotten son ,what means he is the first what God the father as made,and he is a son because the father took from himself to make him ,this obviously make Jesus the son,but not God the father ,but he can be called god to whoever is created after and through him,it would not be wrong,but worship still is to the father.Ex;Adam ,son Cain ,son Enoch.SO WE CAN SAY ADAM IS THE FATHER OF CAIN,CAIN IS FATHER TO ENOCH AND SO ON;
BUT CAIN OR ENOCH CAN NEVER BE ADAMOF CAUSE THEY ARE ALL MEN.
IN JESUS CASE WE CAN SAY THEY ALL ARE SPIRITS BUT NOT GODS,GOD IS A TITLE AND SPIRIT IS THIER NATURE ,
SO IT IS THE LIKE OF MEN IS THIER NATURE,BEING FATHER IS THIER TITLE.SO WHATEVER YOU FLIP-FLOP ON THE TITLE IN THIS SITUTATION DOES NOT CHANGE THE MAIN CARRACTER
terraricca,Nice job with the use of the quote access key! You're non-stoppable now
Quote but he can be called god to whoever is created after and through him,it would not be wrong,but worship still is to the father. I believe that the Son of God would be deity if there were no one created through Him. He became deity from His onset. Much like a child becomes human from their onset. God the Father was God before anything at all was created, right? The Most High God didn't need to do anything to be God. Likewise, the Most High God's only begotten Son didn't have to do anything to be deity. Just being the literal Son of God caused Him to be deity. If you have a son, he didn't have to do anything except come from you as an offspring to be like you-human.
Quote
Ex;Adam ,son Cain ,son Enoch.SO WE CAN SAY ADAM IS THE FATHER OF CAIN,CAIN IS FATHER TO ENOCH AND SO ON;
BUT CAIN OR ENOCH CAN NEVER BE ADAMOF CAUSE THEY ARE ALL MEN.
Yep, that is true!
Quote IN JESUS CASE WE CAN SAY THEY ALL ARE SPIRITS BUT NOT GODS,GOD IS A TITLE AND SPIRIT IS THIER NATURE ,
SO IT IS THE LIKE OF MEN IS THIER NATURE,BEING FATHER IS THIER TITLE.God is a title but much more if the God is someone to receive your devotion. He must be always existing or from the one always existing as a literal offspring as I understand it. Besides that, there are really no gods at all.
Also, I disagree that “spirit” is a nature. I believe it is a body type and/or the inner person of a being depending on the context.
And one more thing, although some use the word “Father” as a title, I do believe it refers more to a relationship. Remember when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and He said:
John 8:42-47
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.
43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.
44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father o
f lies.
45 “But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.
46 “Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me?
47 “He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
NASUGod bless ya,
KathiHi LU,
I believe his monogenes sonship refers to his anointing from above at the Jordan when God first publically declared him to be His Son.After all rebirth from above is how we who follow him can become Sons and Daughters of God.
Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2010,11:35) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,06:23) Let me give you my two cents. Jesus is not only the firstborn of all creation in Col, 1:15 and Rev, 3:14, but He is also called God, John 1:1 and Hebrew 1:8-9
Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus never claimed to be the Jehovah God however, The word God is title and many at that time were called God's. Even Satan was called God.
He is the begotten Son of God. In Proverbs 8:22-30 all talk about Jesus and the Wisdom of Jesus. Wisdom is not born here, because Wisdom could never be a master craftsman. In verse 25 it says that He was brought forth.(Jesus)
He is the Son of God, however if we think about it, we too are the Sons of God and in
Corinth. 15:28……so that God may be all in all. If you believe that God is title or a Family name it is easy to understand that neither begotten Son or the Word God, is all talking about Jesus, and is not contradicting at all like some might think.Let me also give you a Scripture that tells of the Word in Rev. 19:13
“He was clothed with a rob dipped in blood, and His Name is the Word of God. I see that the Word became Jesus, John 1:14 and when He went back what He was before, He is called the Word of God again. John 17:5 “And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory I had with You before the world was. At least that is what it looks like to me, because of the Scripture in Rev. 19:13 I could be wrong about that, I always say time will tell. But it does make sense to me, John !:! before He became flesh in verse 14 He does. Then He asks His Father that He wants to go back were He was before in John 17:5. I also believe that He was not deity before He became man. Deity cannot die. But Jesus now has deity and never will die again….It all was the Plan of Jehovah God. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that through Him all will be saveth. God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that through Him all may be saveth…..Thanks to both the Word and Jehovah God. Praise the LORD forever…….
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Irene,
Thanks for your two centsI agree with a lot of what you say except I think that Jesus was deity from the beginning as John 1:1 tells us.
The scriptures do say that God cannot die but I think that is referring to the Most High God. I'm guessing here, but, if the Most High God died then creation could not continue for a second. That is why the Son had to come and not the Father. But again, that is just my thoughts on the matter.
Love,
Kathi
Hi Kathi! Deity means the He is devine imortal. Jesus was not yet imortal when He was brought forth from God the Father, otherwise He coukld not have been able to die for us…..It was after He died did He become Imortal or deity or devine. All three mean somewhat the same. When you google it, that is what it says besiedes so much other definition.
IreneQuote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,20:11) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2010,11:35) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 28 2010,06:23) Let me give you my two cents. Jesus is not only the firstborn of all creation in Col, 1:15 and Rev, 3:14, but He is also called God, John 1:1 and Hebrew 1:8-9
Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jesus never claimed to be the Jehovah God however, The word God is title and many at that time were called God's. Even Satan was called God.
He is the begotten Son of God. In Proverbs 8:22-30 all talk about Jesus and the Wisdom of Jesus. Wisdom is not born here, because Wisdom could never be a master craftsman. In verse 25 it says that He was brought forth.(Jesus)
He is the Son of God, however if we think about it, we too are the Sons of God and in
Corinth. 15:28……so that God may be all in all. If you believe that God is title or a Family name it is easy to understand that neither begotten Son or the Word God, is all talking about Jesus, and is not contradicting at all like some might think.Let me also give you a Scripture that tells of the Word in Rev. 19:13
“He was clothed with a rob dipped in blood, and His Name is the Word of God. I see that the Word became Jesus, John 1:14 and when He went back what He was before, He is called the Word of God again. John 17:5 “And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself with the glory I had with You before the world was. At least that is what it looks like to me, because of the Scripture in Rev. 19:13 I could be wrong about that, I always say time will tell. But it does make sense to me, John !:! before He became flesh in verse 14 He does. Then He asks His Father that He wants to go back were He was before in John 17:5. I also believe that He was not deity before He became man. Deity cannot die. But Jesus now has deity and never will die again….It all was the Plan of Jehovah God. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that through Him all will be saveth. God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that through Him all may be saveth…..Thanks to both the Word and Jehovah God. Praise the LORD forever…….
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Irene,
Thanks for your two centsI agree with a lot of what you say except I think that Jesus was deity from the beginning as John 1:1 tells us.
The scriptures do say that God cannot die but I think that is referring to the Most High God. I'm guessing here, but, if the Most High God died then creation could not continue for a second. That is why the Son had to come and not the Father. But again, that is just my thoughts on the matter.
Love,
Kathi
Hi Kathi! Deity means the He is devine imortal. Jesus was not yet imortal when He was brought forth from God the Father, otherwise He coukld not have been able to die for us…..It was after He died did He become Imortal or deity or devine. All three mean somewhat the same. When you google it, that is what it says besiedes so much other definition.
Irene
Irene,
How do you know that immortality isn't one of the things that the Son gave up, ya know, one of the qualities that He emptied Himself of.Kathi
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2010,20:02) Hi LU,
I believe his monogenes sonship refers to his anointing from above at the Jordan when God first publically declared him to be His Son.After all rebirth from above is how we who follow him can become Sons and Daughters of God.
Nick,
You keep forgetting the “ONLY” Son part.
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