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Man is, in his natural state, on the bottom rung of conscious life above only the other forms of earthly life. Tied to and limited by his mortal dust nature he can only gaze with envy on those immortal beings who act as mediators for the work of God.Angels, by contrast are heavenly spirit beings in direct communication with God far above us in many respects.
Galatians 3:19
What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.Hebrews 2:2
For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment,Thus what is said in Hebrews 1 is a huge change in the natural order of things for those in Christ.
2 Peter 2:11
Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.Hebrews 1:14
“Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?”Christ came down to our lowly level below those angels for a time.
Hebrews 2:7
You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honorHebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.This is because the plan of God is to bless weak humans, not angels.
Hebrews 2:16
For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendantsIt is not angels who will be rulers but men.
Hebrews 2:5
It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking.They too will be under the rule of Christ
1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him
1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to himHebrews 1:4
So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.Christ was superior to angels because he is the only one found in scripture as The Son of God.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father ” ? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son” ?But this status has further increased.
Hebrews 1:4
So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.Hebrews 1:13
To which of the angels did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet” ?Christ, the firstborn son, was brought into the world to be even worshiped by angels.
Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.”God brought that special Son into the world having prepared a body for him in Mary and he became our saviour and our hope.
In reference to the posts on the nature of angels: I wonder if anyone care to comment on the the book of Enoch and its explanation of the inhabitation of the earth with mating between fallen angels and the daughters of the earth. I am really curious since this book is very old and was apart of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Very intriguing…since this explanation would dispel the belief that the earth was inhabited through incestuous activity among Adams offsprings.
Quote (tafari @ June 04 2007,14:40) In reference to the posts on the nature of angels: I wonder if anyone care to comment on the the book of Enoch and its explanation of the inhabitation of the earth with mating between fallen angels and the daughters of the earth. I am really curious since this book is very old and was apart of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Very intriguing…since this explanation would dispel the belief that the earth was inhabited through incestuous activity among Adams offsprings.
HiThe Sons of God, Had orders not to take the THE DAUGHTERS of MAN,
They disobeyed, did wrong, in taking to themselves the Daughters of Man, which were made for Man from Man?
creating Giants that opressed the Nations?Gen 6:1 ¶ And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. Gen 6:5 ¶ And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually. Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.Psa 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: [Who] laid the foundations of the earth, [that] it should not be removed for ever. Thou coveredst it with the deep as [with] a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth. He sendeth the springs into the valleys, [which] run among the hills. They give drink to every beast of the field: the wild asses quench their thirst. By them shall the fowls of the heaven have their habitation, [which] sing among the branches.Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. Bless ye the LORD, all [ye] his hosts; [ye] ministers of his, that do his pleasure. Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul.
Quote (tafari @ June 04 2007,14:40) In reference to the posts on the nature of angels: I wonder if anyone care to comment on the the book of Enoch and its explanation of the inhabitation of the earth with mating between fallen angels and the daughters of the earth. I am really curious since this book is very old and was apart of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Very intriguing…since this explanation would dispel the belief that the earth was inhabited through incestuous activity among Adams offsprings.
Hi tafari
I find Fallen Angels Very intriguing Also
And whether we have missed, a very important message,
Based on we have received history Books woven into what they decided to Call “The Holy Bible” due to the not including Enoch's testimony,
The principalities of The Law of the Mind, cannot assume it as Holy, only that which was set up and feed to us?
Basically the those on the earth become angry at any suggestion of Angels in Man vessels,
Perhaps in this, Moses can be seen as an Angle, by disposition he delivered the Law?
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept [it].
Act 7:54 ¶ When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with [their] teeth.So Yes they burnt and destroyed evidence that would bring any Knowledge of what really is the battle we are attending?
Also many books turned up amongst the Dead Sea scrolls, showing up the nature of evil control, in the books they decided to let live the evidence of Enoch’s words have influenced the fathers and prophets anyway?So how can we be prepared for the devil and his angels, if we don’t understand this as a language for Now? But think not to believe not all flesh is the same
Mat 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:Psa 78:49
He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels [among them].
Hbr 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?If peaces are successfully been removed from a Jigsaw puzzle, how can we then complete with the Knowledge of the whole picture, Instead its become a guessing Game, of an finished puzzle
Hi charity,
Moses was not an angel but angels mediated with him for God in giving men the Law.
Enoch does not add to your wandering thoughts here either.
Acts 7:53
you who have received the law that was put into effect through angels but have not obeyed it.”
Galatians 3:19
What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.
Hebrews 2:2
For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment,Nick
How Dose A fallen Angel ,Take a Daughter of MEN,
CONCEIVE a child, producing a Nation of Beasts, Giants, and creeping things?
Do You want to BURN AND DESTROY The Book of Enoch Also?Answer this Nick, Which Angel Did He Say sit thou at my right side?
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Hbr 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?Hi charity,
Does scripture say that?..then you should believe it.
Leave the HOWs to God.Understand irony-NO angel!
The boss will be fumed, Raging Mad
He had all those scrolls Burnt, destroyed
Removed from the hands of all earthlings
Whata ya know, the Boy’s failed,
Copies of scrolls, turning up again
Secured in hiding, until their safe in time
Prepare to meet hell?
This will now, have to be an inside Job
Evil Angels using hefty swords,
Guarding the site,
Dressed for the Job they want? Not the one they have?
The searching Hearts, one by one, will all surly turn up
Seeking with fear, trembling,
Only to prolong their lives for eternity
Discover the end, by those things from the beginning?
Fear nothing but God, and don't forget to awakened,
For some have entertained angels, unbeknown, without understanding how.
Good or bad, both alive, each person decides,
Day of justification will be waiting, for those that fort the battle working for Godcharity
My input on angels;
This is an old post, but I am new;
Mt. 22:30, does not say angels are sexless, only that those who come up in the first
resurrection want marry, they are “as angels”. The meaning is, angels live forever and
have no need to reproduce.
Nick, you mentioned the book of Enoch, I assume you read it. In it it says that 200
watchers, angels, were overcome with lust and married the daughters of men, and
had children by them, they could not have done that, had they been sexless.
Do angels eat in heaven?
They may, if only for the pleasure of eating, not because they need as we do.
The angels were already created before the heavens and the earth, because they
shouted for joy at the creation; Job 38:4+7, even before the tree of life. Not that
the tree of life is there for food for the body. By taking of the tree of life is placing
all of our dependancy, our trust and obedience unto the Father, who in turn gives
us etearnal life.Hi IM and welco,e,
Yes.
Enoch is accessible on this site-front page under writings.
I love it.
The food of angels is mentioned in the bible-manna.Ps 78
“22Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation:23Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven,
24And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.
25Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.”
Hi IM4Truth
Half Angels? bread and born by Daughters of Men?
The Fallen Angels bind them selves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'
Then sware they all together and bound themselvesVI-XI. The Fall of the Angels: the Demoralization of Mankind: The Dooms pronounced by God on the Angels of the Messianic Kingdom– (a Noah fragment).
6\1And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, 8Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens. 71And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them,
Gen 6:1 ¶ And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
and they taught them charms 2and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. Gen 6:5 ¶ And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
David battles Sons of Giants, after the flood
2Sa 21:18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which [was] of the sons of the giant. 2Sa 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of [great] stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant. 2Sa 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
From The Book of Enoch (regenerations children from heaven)
XXXIX. The Abode of the Righteous and the Elect One: the Praises of the Blessed.
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high heaven, and their “seed” will become one with the children of men. And in those days Enoch received books of zeal and wrath, and books of disquiet and expulsion.]2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the “seed” of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;Act 13:23 Of this man's “seed” hath God according to [his] promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible “seed”, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
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high heaven, and their “seed” will become one with the children of men. And in those days Enoch received books of zeal and wrath, and books of disquiet and expulsion.]
“Because of the angels”.
1Cr 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 1Cr 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head “because of the angels”
1Cr 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her for a covering. 1Cr 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
Grace, Abounds, unto what we did not understand once?
Awakening to some are yoked by oath and Law to the many antichrist spirit,
Has God joined light with darkness to become one flesh?
Mat 14:2 And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead; and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him. Mat 14:3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put [him] in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife. Mat 14:4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her. Mat 14:5 And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.
Pro 21:19
[It is] better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.
Pro 23:27
For a whore [is] a deep ditch; and a strange woman [is] a narrow pit.
Pro 2:16
To deliver thee from the strange woman, [even] from the stranger [which] flattereth with her words;
Pro 5:20
And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?. VI-XI. The Fall of the Angels: the Demoralization of Mankind: The Dooms pronounced by God on the Angels of the Messianic Kingdom– (a Noah fragment).6\1And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3and beget us children.'
Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 12:12
And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
Zec 12:13
The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
Zec 12:14
All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
? What is it that a Mans help mate would be held captive under Law, that a Man, could not return to Paradise, Having completed his responsibility toward what God HAD given to his care, CREATED FROM HIM,
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
Mic 7:5 Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
Curiosity killed the cat
But Again I’ll be the suspectcharity
The burden of Tyre, because of the fallen Angels
Isa 23:1 ¶ The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there i Isa 23:15 ¶ And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.
Tyre: for there the ship was to unlade her burden.
Act 21:3
Now when we had discovered Cyprus, we left it on the left hand, and sailed into Syria, and landed at Tyre: for there the ship was to unlade her burden.Once a Harlot always a harlot, because of the fallen Angels
Isa 23:16 Take an harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered. Isa 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth. Isa 23:18 And her merchandise and her hire shall be holiness to the LORD: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her merchandise shall be for them that dwell before the LORD, to eat sufficiently, and for durable clothing. s no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them.
Tyre: for there the ship was to unlade her burden.
Act 21:3 Now when we had discovered Cyprus, we left it on the left hand, and sailed into Syria, and landed at Tyre: for there the ship was to unlade her burden. Act 21:4 And finding disciples, we tarried there seven days: who said to Paul through the Spirit, that he should not go up to Jerusalem. Act 21:5 And when we had accomplished those days, we departed and went our way; and they all brought us on our way, with wives and children, till [we were] out of the city: and we kneeled down on the shore, and prayed. Act 21:6 And when we had taken our leave one of another, we took ship; and they returned home again. Act 21:7 And when we had finished [our] course from Tyre, we came to Ptolemais, and saluted the brethren, and abode with them one day.Salvation has come, the whore wives taken by the fallen Angels, corrupted the world??
Rev 19:1 ¶ And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: Rev 19:2 For true and righteous [are] his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The Mind under Law perverts?
one may be charged with Adultery, and be only taking back what was made for Him?
Being left charged as an offender, being righteous to caring out Gods will aginst the Nature of fallen Angels?1Cr 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head “because of the angels”
1Cr 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.Jer 8:5 Why [then] is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. Jer 8:6 I hearkened and heard, [but] they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle. Jer 8:7 Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD. Sgs 2:12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing [of birds] is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; Sgs 2:13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines [with] the tender grape give a [good] smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. Jer 8:8 ¶ How do ye say, We [are] wise, and the law of the LORD [is] with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he [it]; the pen of the scribes [is] in vain. Jer 8:9 The wise [men] are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom [is] in them?
(is man Law of adultery hold firm with Gods, shall he honor the perverse God heads, joining Light with darkness, and forsake the captives) Jer 8:10 Therefore will I give their wives unto others, [and] their fields to them that shall inherit [them]: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. Jer 8:11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace.
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