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Hi,
One of the commonest denotations of the Father in scripture is “Lord God of Hosts” the hosts being the angelic armies. He has myriads of angels serving Him as shown in Heb 12.22.
Angels seem to be ascribed to individual beings as servants too as shown in Heb 1.14.So surely the greatest of all angels must be
“the Angel of the Lord”?
Nick,
I plan to add to your other posts a little later but something caught my eye from another thread. You wrote,“We do know that eventually 1\3 of the angels are cast out of heaven from Revelation.That is a very major rebellion and it says in Revelation that it was not an easy one to win.”
It was not an easy one to win. That part makes me wonder. This is a battle fought in the heavenly realms. Why was it hard to win. The battle is taking place on God's home turf. Why were not Satan and his angels immediately cast down? Why was it so difficult? Was this God stepping aside and allowing his created beings to duke it out?
As it pertains to the subject matter – the nature of angels – it makes me wonder what type of warfare this is. Angels have physical bodies in heaven? How did they “fight” one another?
Also, what level of power were these angels given? Enough to give the hosts of heaven a real “scare”? Why would God not intercede?
God Bless
Nick,
“So surely the greatest of all angels must be
“the Angel of the Lord”? “I agree. Was the Angel of the Lord a created being with its own will whose job it was to come to earth and be a physical representative of the invisible Father? Was it an empty vessel to be molded it any shape or form and filled with the Father's spirit that he could manifest Himself in those ways? Or was the Angel of the Lord the form and function of The Word before He assumed the body of the man Yashua? Whether I agree or not its always a pleasure reading your posts.
God Bless
Hi Jefe,
It is shown in symbols first in
Rev 12,3-4 then
Rev 12.7
” And there was WAR IN HEAVEN,
Michael and his angels waging war with the daragon,
and the dragon and his angels waged war,
and they were not strong enough,
and there was no longer a place found for thjem in heaven
and the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old
who is called the devil
who deceives the whole world;
he was thrown down to the earth,
and his angels were thrown with him”A mighty event!.. but as you say God does all things through his servants and Michael seems to be the Archangel in charge of the hosts of heaven.
Were the angels in chains in Tartaroo[2 Peter and Jude] released and able to set up an insurrection?Nick,
“Were the angels in chains in Tartaroo[2 Peter and Jude] released and able to set up an insurrection?”Good question. You have noted that you don't think the angels in Tartaroo are the same as those who came down to create the Nephilim. I guess it is a question of timing. When did the insurrection take place? Before the creation of man? If the chained angels were not those connected to the Nephilim then what were they chained up for? I'm confused – although I'm sure that is apparent to everyone reading.
Also, a little addition to my previous post on the Angel of the Lord. Was Lucifer the most beautiful of the angels? What was his rank and status in relation to the Angel of the Lord?
God Bless
Quote (Jefe Gordo @ June 27 2006,22:39) Nick, “So surely the greatest of all angels must be
“the Angel of the Lord”? “I agree. Was the Angel of the Lord a created being with its own will whose job it was to come to earth and be a physical representative of the invisible Father? Was it an empty vessel to be molded it any shape or form and filled with the Father's spirit that he could manifest Himself in those ways? Or was the Angel of the Lord the form and function of The Word before He assumed the body of the man Yashua? Whether I agree or not its always a pleasure reading your posts.
God Bless
Hi Jefe,
Angels are angels, and all have their own life given to them to be servants of the Father. They are not robots as scripture shows one third choose to rebel.Jesus is never called an angel and is above them and said to have been made less than them for the short time of his partaking of flesh. He is life, and all life, including that iof the angels, even the sons of God, came through the only begotten Son.
Clearly the angel of the Lord was given full authority and power to represent God for a time. Jesus was given those things forever.
Hi,
Angels are greater than natural men.” 11(AH)whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. “
Hi,
There are ordinary messengers, armies, and princes.
Michael is one of those princes and the Messiah is a greater being yet as their prince.Dan 12.1
” 1″Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise “Dan 10
” 13″But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia”Dan 9
” 25″So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;”Dan 8
” And he will magnify himself in his heart,
And he will destroy many while they are at ease.
He will even oppose the Prince of princes,
But he will be broken without human agency.”Jesus is shown as a prince elsewhere
Is 9
” And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”
andActs 3
” 14″But you disowned (T)the Holy and Righteous One and (U)asked for a murderer to be granted to you,15but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses”
Acts 5
” 31″He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.”Princes are sons of Kings and in line to inherit,and Messiah is the firstborn of the sons of God.
Angels are very numerousJer 33
” 22'As the host of heaven cannot be counted and the sand of the sea cannot be measured, so I will multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.'”Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2006,00:11) Hi jefe,
It is interesting.
Somewhere in one of the books like Enoch infants who die are mentioned.
Angels are based in heaven and only visit earth[as with Satan in Job 1-2]
Sons of God in Job 1,2,38 are probably archangels as satan is included with them
He is also called a Cherub? in Isaiah or Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 1-10 shows cherubim as being different from cherubs too.
Michael is only said to one of the chief princes in Daniel.
The Son of God is called the Prince of Princes there too.Good searching Jefe.
Archangels are possibly the 'angelic majesties' of Jude and 2 Peter, and are leaders.
Daniel gives some good insights into the roles of these princes.nick wrote:He is also called a Cherub? in Isaiah or Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 1-10 shows cherubim as being different from cherubs too.
Michael is only said to one of the chief princes in Daniel.This was a post from a while back. Are we sure Cherubs are different from Cherubim.
Exod. 25:17 “Make an atonement cover of pure gold –two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 18And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. 21Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you. 22There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the Testimony, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.
This makes it sound like Cherubim is the plural form of Cherub. Not sure.
God Bless
Hi Jefe Gordon,
You may be right.
How did the craftsmen know what Cherubim look like.Try Ez 10 and see what you think.
“1Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne.2And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.
3Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.
4Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD's glory.
5And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.
6And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.
7And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.
8And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings.
9And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone.
10And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel.
11When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.
12And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had.
13As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.
14And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.
15And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.
16And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.
17When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.
18Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.
19And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
20This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims.
21Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.
22And the likeness of their faces was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar, their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward.”
Hi,
What is the nature of angels?
Are they spiritual beings of soul and spirit?
Do they have bodies or is that a term reserved for those of earth?
They obviously have will as 1 third follow Satan and are thrown out of heaven so they are beings of independant life.Hi,
Jesus was not an angel, but was above them, till made less than them for a time, but never the same as them. Angels are heavenly spirit beings, servants, messengers and soldiers for the Lord of hosts. None became man as Christ did.Hi,
Angels are not earthly but they see.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.Hi
Sorry I skipped most of the pages here so am joining in on the conversation from the last post. My question is….. do we feel angels spirits around us? Like that cool breeze that brushes your head or back of neck or forehead?
Hugs
PhoenixHi,
In another thread W said“Unless you believe like the JWS that Angels can take on human flesh. “
Angels are often seen as men. Sometimes, as in Ez 1-10, they are called men. Lot walked with angels and men they met thought they were human. Hebrews tells us some have entertained angels unaware they were doing so which also leads to this conclusion. There is more to be found here than meets the eye.
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