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Hi Malcolm,
Ezekiel 1 ,10 describe Cherubim and Cherubs who to me seem like angels with wheels and wings who make up a living throne, and who seem like men in form.Yes could be or could be differing details noticed, perhaps their form differs as the purpose of God does, in Revelation they appear in likeness as differing earthly creatures. A lion, an oxen, a man and a flying eagle. They fit the situation wherein 4 riders go out to work against the truth of god by various means.
Hi Malcolm,
Yes I am sure they are the same having six wings and the ones in Is 6 are said to have hands and feet.Hi Malcolm,
I believe Is 1.18 was clarifying with sammo that the stars \angels spoken of in Revelation were real in being and not symbolic.
I believe the lampstand symbolism can be clarified by comparison with Zech 4Hi,
Lk 20.36 suggests that angels do not die. Surely if they did there would be some record of it in scripture, or even of angelic illness? Man and worldly creation is of the earth but they are not. They were before Genesis. They inherit no curse from creation as shown there.Hi,
2 Peter 2.10
“and especially those who indulge the flesh in it's corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring , self willed, they do not tremble when they revile ANGELIC MAJESTIES, whereas ANGELS, who are greater in might and power, do not bring a reviling judgement against them before the Lord”So angels are greater than men. Jesus was greater than the angels but made less than them for a time. The watching angels do not report us for all our misdemeanours unlike the accuser of the brethren seen busy at work in Zech 5 and Job 1-2
Hi,
Gal 1.8
“But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed”Paul, as an anointed preacher of God, is higher in God's order that the children of God he has bought into the Kingdom.
But he is still a man.
Here he seems to be saying that the angels are higher yet than himself.
As a man that is true but in Christ he is now higher than those mighty angelic majesties.Hi,
Matt 18.10
“See to it that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you, that their angels in heaven continually behold the face of My Father who is in heaven”
Lk 12. 8f
“And I say to you, everyone who confesses me before men, the Son of Man shall confess him also before the angels of God, but he who denies me before men shall be denied before the angels of God”
Lk 1510
“In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents”Jesus gives us some lovely insights into the place and the role of angels in the heavenly realms from his experiences with them before his partaking of flesh.
Like wise the importance of confessing Jesus as the Son of God will matter when men face judgement. Do not deny the Master as those of the trinity confession do.
Hi,
Acts 12.13
“When he knocked at the door of the gate, a servant girl named Rhoda came to answer. When she recognised Peter's voice, because of her joy she did not open the gate, but ran in and announced that Peter was standing in front of the gate.
They said to her
'You are out of your mind'
But she kept insisting that it was so.
They kept saying
'It is his angel'
But Peter continued knocking;and when they opened the door, they saw him and were amazed”Quite amusing really.
They disregarded the evidence of the servant girl.
They would not believe that it was possible Peter could be at the door.
They preferred logic and commonsense to belief in the power of God.
They preferred to assume it was an angel that get up and check.
Poor old Peter had to keep on knocking.Yet they had been praying fervently for God about the situation[12.6]
But why would they assume it was an angel?
How did they know Peter had an angel?They must have known more about them that we do.
Hi,
2 Peter 2.4
” If God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell[tartaroo]and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgement:..”
Jude 6
” And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgement of the great day..”So these are the angels who sinned. If they were sent to earth as demons here was the perfect time to say so.No they are kept in bonds awaiting judgement and will be sent to earth in the endtimes with Satan for a short time prior to that judgement as Rev 12 shows.
The angels are not demons any more than we are cabbages.
The story of Peter's angel from Acts 12 is very interesting. Peter was only a man but they readily assumed he had an angel. Does that mean we all have angels? I think we may all have guardian angels but the story in acts makes the relationship between a man (Peter) and his angelappear to be much more than that. Do our angels represent us in heaven? The book of Enoch speaks of an angel whose job it is to deflect the constant accusations made by the accuser himself, Satan. Is this a possible function of our angels.
Matt 18.10
“See to it that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you, that their angels in heaven continually behold the face of My Father who is in heaven”Infants have not accepted Christ as their savior and are subject to original sin. I do not believe those who die in infancy will perish as. The scriptures are silent on this issue but I don't think it suits our merciful Father to allow that. According to the verse above, the angels of these “little ones” look directly upon the Father and perhaps they repel accusations of original sin made by Satan toward defenseless infants.
Also,
In Enoch ch. 20
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one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel, one of the holy
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angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.This says that Gabriel is over the Cherubim. Was it determined that Satan was a Cherubim? Does this mean that Gabriel is over Satan? Or was in the past? Is Michael the highest ranking angel? I don't remember where in scripture but I thought when Michael and Satan were fighting Michael dared not rebuke him. Is this because Satan was given authority?
God Bless
Hi jefe,
It is interesting.
Somewhere in one of the books like Enoch infants who die are mentioned.
Angels are based in heaven and only visit earth[as with Satan in Job 1-2]
Sons of God in Job 1,2,38 are probably archangels as satan is included with them
He is also called a Cherub? in Isaiah or Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 1-10 shows cherubim as being different from cherubs too.
Michael is only said to one of the chief princes in Daniel.
The Son of God is called the Prince of Princes there too.Good searching Jefe.
Archangels are possibly the 'angelic majesties' of Jude and 2 Peter, and are leaders.
Daniel gives some good insights into the roles of these princes.Quote (Jefe Gordo @ June 23 2006,19:01) The story of Peter's angel from Acts 12 is very interesting. Peter was only a man but they readily assumed he had an angel. Does that mean we all have angels? I think we may all have guardian angels but the story in acts makes the relationship between a man (Peter) and his angelappear to be much more than that. Do our angels represent us in heaven? The book of Enoch speaks of an angel whose job it is to deflect the constant accusations made by the accuser himself, Satan. Is this a possible function of our angels. Matt 18.10
“See to it that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you, that their angels in heaven continually behold the face of My Father who is in heaven”Infants have not accepted Christ as their savior and are subject to original sin. I do not believe those who die in infancy will perish as. The scriptures are silent on this issue but I don't think it suits our merciful Father to allow that. According to the verse above, the angels of these “little ones” look directly upon the Father and perhaps they repel accusations of original sin made by Satan toward defenseless infants.
Also,
In Enoch ch. 20
7
one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel, one of the holy
8
angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.This says that Gabriel is over the Cherubim. Was it determined that Satan was a Cherubim? Does this mean that Gabriel is over Satan? Or was in the past? Is Michael the highest ranking angel? I don't remember where in scripture but I thought when Michael and Satan were fighting Michael dared not rebuke him. Is this because Satan was given authority?
God Bless
Good post Jefe Gordo.Welcome
Ezekiel 28:14
You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”1: The word angel is used to refer to earthly messeangers as well as heavenly. John the baptist for example.
2: Can angels die? it would appear so from the fate of the angels who lost their first estate that Peter mentions, who are reserved for the lake of fire, which I beleive ends in eventual destruction after an extremely long period of punishment.
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