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Quote (942767 @ June 07 2013,09:21) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,12:18) Quote (942767 @ June 04 2013,04:22) Hi Pierre: Please read what I have stated to wakeup, and then if you still have a question, ask. I don't want to have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyI have read it but it does not answers my questions,this is why I ask you
The sin of Adam ,as given us all ,dead if we would be innocent we would not die or be condemn to die so what is wrong in your logic
But you know you do not have to answer me ,
Hi Pierre:The scripture states that by “One man”, that is Adam, sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and death passed upon all men, because all men have sinned, and that is where the condemnation comes in. We, all of humanity at some point in our lives have sinned, but an infant has not sinned. Sin is defined as the transgression of the law, and as you say all unrighteousness is sin, but no baby has committed any type of unrighteousness. All a baby know to do is cry when it needs its parents attention for its needs.
A baby can inherit some things that are in the parents blood, but sin is a spiritual matter. One is born into a world where sin abides, and at some point one will sin.
Here is the scripture that referenced:
Quote Rom 5:12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Quote 1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. How does one know that he has sinned?
Quote Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote How does one know that he has sinned? by knowing God and the one he as send,to those who believe,
Adam did not believed God so he believed a lie and died,taking us with him ,but the second Adam ,the son of God was send down to save us by telling us the truth how to be saved but here again few believed him then and now
Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2013,22:59) Quote (942767 @ June 07 2013,09:21) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,12:18) Quote (942767 @ June 04 2013,04:22) Hi Pierre: Please read what I have stated to wakeup, and then if you still have a question, ask. I don't want to have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyI have read it but it does not answers my questions,this is why I ask you
The sin of Adam ,as given us all ,dead if we would be innocent we would not die or be condemn to die so what is wrong in your logic
But you know you do not have to answer me ,
Hi Pierre:The scripture states that by “One man”, that is Adam, sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and death passed upon all men, because all men have sinned, and that is where the condemnation comes in. We, all of humanity at some point in our lives have sinned, but an infant has not sinned. Sin is defined as the transgression of the law, and as you say all unrighteousness is sin, but no baby has committed any type of unrighteousness. All a baby know to do is cry when it needs its parents attention for its needs.
A baby can inherit some things that are in the parents blood, but sin is a spiritual matter. One is born into a world where sin abides, and at some point one will sin.
Here is the scripture that referenced:
Quote Rom 5:12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Quote 1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. How does one know that he has sinned?
Quote Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote How does one know that he has sinned? by knowing God and the one he as send,to those who believe,
Adam did not believed God so he believed a lie and died,taking us with him ,but the second Adam ,the son of God was send down to save us by telling us the truth how to be saved but here again few believed him then and now
Hi Pierre:According to the scriptures, we know that we have sinned when we see that we have violated God's eternal law, the The Ten Commandments.
And yes, I know that Adam believed a lie, and so, I am trying to teach you the truth so that you also will not believe “a lie”. We were not born in sin, but Yes, all of us, except Jesus, have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
And yes, I know that Jesus came from the Father, and the scriptures tell us how he came from the Father.
But if you don't believe what I have stated about this, then tell me exactly how he came from the Father.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 08 2013,01:17) Quote (terraricca @ June 07 2013,22:59) Quote (942767 @ June 07 2013,09:21) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,12:18) Quote (942767 @ June 04 2013,04:22) Hi Pierre: Please read what I have stated to wakeup, and then if you still have a question, ask. I don't want to have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyI have read it but it does not answers my questions,this is why I ask you
The sin of Adam ,as given us all ,dead if we would be innocent we would not die or be condemn to die so what is wrong in your logic
But you know you do not have to answer me ,
Hi Pierre:The scripture states that by “One man”, that is Adam, sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and death passed upon all men, because all men have sinned, and that is where the condemnation comes in. We, all of humanity at some point in our lives have sinned, but an infant has not sinned. Sin is defined as the transgression of the law, and as you say all unrighteousness is sin, but no baby has committed any type of unrighteousness. All a baby know to do is cry when it needs its parents attention for its needs.
A baby can inherit some things that are in the parents blood, but sin is a spiritual matter. One is born into a world where sin abides, and at some point one will sin.
Here is the scripture that referenced:
Quote Rom 5:12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Quote 1Jo 3:4 ¶ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. How does one know that he has sinned?
Quote Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote How does one know that he has sinned? by knowing God and the one he as send,to those who believe,
Adam did not believed God so he believed a lie and died,taking us with him ,but the second Adam ,the son of God was send down to save us by telling us the truth how to be saved but here again few believed him then and now
Hi Pierre:According to the scriptures, we know that we have sinned when we see that we have violated God's eternal law, the The Ten Commandments.
And yes, I know that Adam believed a lie, and so, I am trying to teach you the truth so that you also will not believe “a lie”. We were not born in sin, but Yes, all of us, except Jesus, have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
And yes, I know that Jesus came from the Father, and the scriptures tell us how he came from the Father.
But if you don't believe what I have stated about this, then tell me exactly how he came from the Father.
Love in Christ,
Marty
martyQuote But if you don't believe what I have stated about this, then tell me exactly how he came from the Father. he came the same way he returned ,except that God made him to become in a lower state than he was before coming and so born of a women ,when he return to the father he took back his glory (position ) but with more certainty,
and for your info ;at the time of Noah ,there was no written law ,and yet God destroyed the wicked ,and reserve them for judgment
Hi Pierre:
You said:
Quote he came the same way he returned ,except that God made him to become in a lower state than he was before coming and so born of a women ,when he return to the father he took back his glory (position ) but with more certainty, Please explain all of this to me using scriptures. Thank you.
And yes, I know that from Moses unto Adam there was not written Law, but the Law exists now, does it not?
Quote Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come
And even if there was no written Law, the scripture states that “all have sinned” and so they sinned even though they did not have a direct commandment from God as Adam did, or as we have now. They were not born in sin, but they did sin.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 12 2013,06:52) Hi Pierre: You said:
Quote he came the same way he returned ,except that God made him to become in a lower state than he was before coming and so born of a women ,when he return to the father he took back his glory (position ) but with more certainty, Please explain all of this to me using scriptures. Thank you.
And yes, I know that from Moses unto Adam there was not written Law, but the Law exists now, does it not?
Quote Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come
And even if there was no written Law, the scripture states that “all have sinned” and so they sinned even though they did not have a direct commandment from God as Adam did, or as we have now. They were not born in sin, but they did sin.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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he came the same way he returned ,except that God made him to become in a lower state than he was before coming and so born of a women ,when he return to the father he took back his glory (position ) but with more certainty,Please explain all of this to me using scriptures. Thank you.
it will take me a time ,but i will get back with it ;
Quote (942767 @ June 12 2013,06:52) Hi Pierre: You said:
Quote he came the same way he returned ,except that God made him to become in a lower state than he was before coming and so born of a women ,when he return to the father he took back his glory (position ) but with more certainty, Please explain all of this to me using scriptures. Thank you.
And yes, I know that from Moses unto Adam there was not written Law, but the Law exists now, does it not?
Quote Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come
And even if there was no written Law, the scripture states that “all have sinned” and so they sinned even though they did not have a direct commandment from God as Adam did, or as we have now. They were not born in sin, but they did sin.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote They were not born in sin, but they did sin. PS 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.Marty
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he came the same way he returned ,except that God made him to become in a lower state than he was before coming and so born of a women ,when he return to the father he took back his glory (position ) but with more certainty,Please explain all of this to me using scriptures. Thank you.
I think ,that you want to know why i say ;he came the same way he returned;
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.Jn 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
the other part of my comment comes from ;
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2013,22:36) Marty Quote
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he came the same way he returned ,except that God made him to become in a lower state than he was before coming and so born of a women ,when he return to the father he took back his glory (position ) but with more certainty,Please explain all of this to me using scriptures. Thank you.
I think ,that you want to know why i say ;he came the same way he returned;
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.Jn 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
the other part of my comment comes from ;
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
No, I know he came down from heaven. The scriptures tell me that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary, and then, he was baptized with the Holy Ghost, and God spoke to humanity through him.The person that he is “the express image of God's person” is defined by the works that he did in obedience to God our heavenly Father, and so, the Word of God that he obeyed came down from heaven.
But you seem to think that he was some other type of being prior to being born of the virgin Mary, and that he came down from heaven in some other way other than what I just told you that the scriptures state, and so, if you want to teach me that it happened another way, then show me this by the scriptures. If you can't, then you don't have anything more to say to me about this.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote No, I know he came down from heaven. The scriptures tell me that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary, and then, he was baptized with the Holy Ghost, and God spoke to humanity through him. If scriptures says that he came down from heaven how could he come through a women and be her child when no men seed was given,how could she produced a child where she had nothing to do with it was her Body that she offer to God to be used for the son of God to be clothed with flesh as his future brothers ,so she was a surrogate mother ,
and Christ was not baptized with the holy spirit but with water ,but Christ would baptize with the holy spirit , and when he came out of the water the holy spirit came over him under the form of a dove ,but was not a dove and remain on him ,so John the baptist could identify him as the son of God that will remove the sins of men
Jn 1:31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”
Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”why would it be that John the greatest prophet ever could not be called the son of God
why not Noah,why not Abraham ? why not Daniel,why not Jeremy or Nathan, Samuel,or Elie,or Elisha ???or Jacobs,David,all those are real man ,born of the flesh of men and a women even that many of them where called righteous menMarty
also pay attention to this account in the scriptures ;Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow youwhat do you think it means “the holy spirit will come upon you”
what do you think it means “the power of the Most High will overshadow you “
Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2013,08:28) Marty also pay attention to this account in the scriptures ;Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow youwhat do you think it means “the holy spirit will come upon you”
what do you think it means “the power of the Most High will overshadow you “
Hi Pierre:You are the one that needs to tell me what these scriptures mean if you are trying to convince me that Jesus came down from heaven in some other way than I have shown you by the scriptures.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 30 2013,07:03) Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2013,08:28) Marty also pay attention to this account in the scriptures ;Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow youwhat do you think it means “the holy spirit will come upon you”
what do you think it means “the power of the Most High will overshadow you “
Hi Pierre:You are the one that needs to tell me what these scriptures mean if you are trying to convince me that Jesus came down from heaven in some other way than I have shown you by the scriptures.
Love in Christ,
Marty
martyI do not need anything ;I know ;
the reasons why I know is because I let scriptures teach me ;and nothing else ,
I try to help you to see in scriptures what you should see and understand ,but that is my limits ,I can not force you to believe differently of what you already believe ,and to me that is false to scriptures for this reason I have ask you question and you have to go to a great length to explain what is not true in scriptures ,
so if you don't want to answer my questions so that we built a conversation well we are done ;
Col;1;15-21 is self explanatory I do not see why I should ad or retract anything ;but i have one question for you ; how could a man be in Christ position ;and just be a regular man
and he was not a regular man ,because he did not have a regular father .
at many occasions Christ told his disciples and others ;that he came down from the father ,and that he will return from where he came before he was in the flesh (prophecies and testimony)
the great question is do we believe the scriptures and what Christ so frequently said ,??? I do ,
Hi Pierre:
You still have not shown me how Jesus came down from the Father. Yet, claim to know that he came down other than how the scriptures state that he did.
You say that you believe the scriptures. Do you believe the following scriptures, then?
Quote 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ June 30 2013,09:28) Hi Pierre: You still have not shown me how Jesus came down from the Father. Yet, claim to know that he came down other than how the scriptures state that he did.
You say that you believe the scriptures. Do you believe the following scriptures, then?
Quote 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MARTYyou turn my questions into me ,if I would not believe those scriptures I would be now a false teacher ,
but why you did not answer my questions on the same verses
and Marty do you believe the scriptures I show you as they are written or do we need interpretation from you
Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2013,14:45) Quote (942767 @ June 30 2013,09:28) Hi Pierre: You still have not shown me how Jesus came down from the Father. Yet, claim to know that he came down other than how the scriptures state that he did.
You say that you believe the scriptures. Do you believe the following scriptures, then?
Quote 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MARTYyou turn my questions into me ,if I would not believe those scriptures I would be now a false teacher ,
but why you did not answer my questions on the same verses
and Marty do you believe the scriptures I show you as they are written or do we need interpretation from you
Hi Pierre:If you believe the scripture, you will note that it says (the angel speaking to Mary)that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God
And so, the child that was born of the virgin Mary is Jesus, the Son of God. His body, his flesh, was born of a woman, just like the rest of humanity, but He was conceived of the Holy Ghost, meaning God is His Father. He is the Son of God.
This is how his body, his flesh, came down from heaven.
And in John 6 when he is talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
The Pharisees say to him:
Jhn 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
And Jesus replies to them saying:
Jhn 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Jhn 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
And Jesus continues explaining, saying:
Jhn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Jhn 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Jhn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
And so, we have established that his flesh, or his body came down from heaven since he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary, and he was born into the world of the virgin Mary.
But some were offended because they did understand when he was speaking of eating his flesh, and they quit following him because of it, and so, he explains to his disciples what he meant by the statement of “eating his flesh”.
And this is what was said:
Quote Jhn 6:60 ¶ Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard [this], said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? Jhn 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Jhn 6:62 [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
Jhn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Jhn 6:66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Jhn 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jhn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life
And so, by his statement of eating his flesh, he was speaking of partaking of his spirit through obedience to the “Word of God” that His Father by the Holy Ghost was speaking to them and to us.
He states:
Quote Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. And so, Jesus came down from heaven, his body and his spirit:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
do you believe this verse being true ;1Co 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.???
Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,09:22) Marty do you believe this verse being true ;1Co 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.???
Hi Pierre:I believe what the scripture states.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ July 01 2013,05:15) Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,09:22) Marty do you believe this verse being true ;1Co 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.???
Hi Pierre:I believe what the scripture states.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.???
one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came
what are “all things ” to you
Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,11:40) Quote (942767 @ July 01 2013,05:15) Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2013,09:22) Marty do you believe this verse being true ;1Co 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.???
Hi Pierre:I believe what the scripture states.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.???
one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came
what are “all things ” to you
Hi Pierre:This is what the scriptures state:
Quote Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he(God) made the worlds;
Quote Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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