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Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,12:41) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
Res.
Resting.The 7th trumpet is the coming of the Lord,
and babylon will be destroyed in ONE DAY.
all is done in ONE DAY.wakeup.
No, you are forcing the scriptures.Christ's return is seen by all men of the earth and the vials of wrath are poured out in the presence of the Lamb and the Holy angels.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:The wicked are punished in the vials before being destroyed.
At the same time of the 5 vials, the mortal believers of Gods choosing will be taken to safety where the eagles are gathered.
The wicked blaspheme God who is punishing them —
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Res.
Resting.Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in **ONE DAY**, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in **ONE HOUR** is thy judgment come.
ALL WILL BE DONE IN AN INSTANT. JUST *ONE DAY*,AND BABYLON IS NO MORE.
No forcing scripture as you can see.
In the evening thre is trouble and in the morning there is none.wakeup.
Isaiah 17:14 And behold *AT EVENING TIDE TROUBLE*; and *BEFORE THE MORNING IT IS NOT*. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.
Babylon gone in an instant.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,16:03) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,12:41) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
Res.
Resting.The 7th trumpet is the coming of the Lord,
and babylon will be destroyed in ONE DAY.
all is done in ONE DAY.wakeup.
No, you are forcing the scriptures.Christ's return is seen by all men of the earth and the vials of wrath are poured out in the presence of the Lamb and the Holy angels.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:The wicked are punished in the vials before being destroyed.
At the same time of the 5 vials, the mortal believers of Gods choosing will be taken to safety where the eagles are gathered.
The wicked blaspheme God who is punishing them —
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Res.
Resting.Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in **ONE DAY**, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in **ONE HOUR** is thy judgment come.
ALL WILL BE DONE IN AN INSTANT. JUST *ONE DAY*,AND BABYLON IS NO MORE.
No forcing scripture as you can see.
In the evening thre is trouble and in the morning there is none.wakeup.
Wakeup,You are speaking only of the day of Armageddon and the 7th vial.
There are 6 vials poured out on the beasts kingdom before that and the first 5 are punishments but the 6th vial is deception out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.The first vial has not even begun at the death of the witnesses and resurrection at the return of Christ from heaven.
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Res.
Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,08:00) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,16:03) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,12:41) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
Res.
Resting.The 7th trumpet is the coming of the Lord,
and babylon will be destroyed in ONE DAY.
all is done in ONE DAY.wakeup.
No, you are forcing the scriptures.Christ's return is seen by all men of the earth and the vials of wrath are poured out in the presence of the Lamb and the Holy angels.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:The wicked are punished in the vials before being destroyed.
At the same time of the 5 vials, the mortal believers of Gods choosing will be taken to safety where the eagles are gathered.
The wicked blaspheme God who is punishing them —
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Res.
Resting.Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in **ONE DAY**, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in **ONE HOUR** is thy judgment come.
ALL WILL BE DONE IN AN INSTANT. JUST *ONE DAY*,AND BABYLON IS NO MORE.
No forcing scripture as you can see.
In the evening thre is trouble and in the morning there is none.wakeup.
Wakeup,You are speaking only of the day of Armageddon and the 7th vial.
There are 6 vials poured out on the beasts kingdom before that and the first 5 are punishments but the 6th vial is deception out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.The first vial has not even begun at the death of the witnesses and resurrection at the return of Christ from heaven.
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Res.
Resting.It seems like we are getting closer in understanding.
Before the 7th trumpet,are 6 trumpets.
after the 5th comes the 6th.
And the 6th trumpet is the gathering of the armies.The 6th trumpet consist of two wars.(two gatherings).
1.The war of the kings of the north and the kings of the east.(man against man).The appearing of the Lord,will stop this war.(7th trumpet).The Lord will stay in the air.2.The joining forces of the kings of the north and the kings of the east in megiddo to war against the Lord. This is armageddon; will only last ONE DAY.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 22 2013,16:30) Marty. Are you saying that the second resurrection is at the coming?
I recommend you to read rev.20.At the second coming, satan was not cast in the fire.(rev.19:20).
This will only happen after the 1000yrs are expired.(rev20:10).wakeup.
No, I am saying that the 2nd resurrection is for those who died in thier sins who have not been judged. It will occur after the 1000 year reign. At this time the devil will be bound for 1000 years. And yes, after the devil does his thing tempting those who are raised from the dead, the scriptures state that he will be cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are and he will be tormented day and night forever.Those who were alive and in thier sins at the coming of the Lord to rapture the church were judged by the seven last plagues. They recieved the mark of the beast. Why would God raise them from the dead to judge them again after 1000 years. They have already been judged.
In Rev 19:
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. (I am understanding that these are those who received the mark of the beast)
Note: When the devil is cast into the lake of fire, the scripture states that he is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet already are.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 24 2013,12:33) Quote (Wakeup @ April 22 2013,16:30) Marty. Are you saying that the second resurrection is at the coming?
I recommend you to read rev.20.At the second coming, satan was not cast in the fire.(rev.19:20).
This will only happen after the 1000yrs are expired.(rev20:10).wakeup.
No, I am saying that the 2nd resurrection is for those who died in thier sins who have not been judged. It will occur after the 1000 year reign. At this time the devil will be bound for 1000 years. And yes, after the devil does his thing tempting those who are raised from the dead, the scriptures state that he will be cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are and he will be tormented day and night forever.Those who were alive and in thier sins at the coming of the Lord to rapture the church were judged by the seven last plagues. They recieved the mark of the beast. Why would God raise them from the dead to judge them again after 1000 years. They have already been judged.
In Rev 19:
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. (I am understanding that these are those who received the mark of the beast)
Note: When the devil is cast into the lake of fire, the scripture states that he is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet already are.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.The 7 plaques is the wrath of God,not the judgement day.
All that died during the war,and then armageddon,
are not judged yet; they are war casualties.
Everyone must be judged before the white throne.Every person that died in a war or accident is not judged yet.
Sodom and gomorah,was destroyed,but they also will be judged accordingly,in the second judgement.In the second resurrection;all that have died on the earth since time began,will stand before the throne and be judged according to their works and seperated. The sheep on the right and the goats on the left.
The goats will be cast in the fire,where satan is,and also where the beast and the false prophet are cast in a 1000yrs ago.
After armageddon;there will be some remnants of gentiles left over also. They will live out side the kingdom and be taught by the jews. Those remnants also will multiply during the 1000yrs.(without satan around).
THE FIRST RESURRECTION:
The first fruits will be the 144000 who followed the Lamb wheresoever he goes.They are spiritually virgins,and never bowed down to any idol,or kissed an idol.The rest of the christians have dirty robes on;and therefore
put through the tribulation,to be purified,and given white robes.Rev.7:14.Those multitudes dont only consist of this last generation christians;but all the christians since there were christians,that have gone through tribulations.
So the cream of the saints are the 144000.first fruits.
The very elect.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 24 2013,11:24) Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,08:00) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,16:03) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,12:41) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
Res.
Resting.The 7th trumpet is the coming of the Lord,
and babylon will be destroyed in ONE DAY.
all is done in ONE DAY.wakeup.
No, you are forcing the scriptures.Christ's return is seen by all men of the earth and the vials of wrath are poured out in the presence of the Lamb and the Holy angels.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:The wicked are punished in the vials before being destroyed.
At the same time of the 5 vials, the mortal believers of Gods choosing will be taken to safety where the eagles are gathered.
The wicked blaspheme God who is punishing them —
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Res.
Resting.Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in **ONE DAY**, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in **ONE HOUR** is thy judgment come.
ALL WILL BE DONE IN AN INSTANT. JUST *ONE DAY*,AND BABYLON IS NO MORE.
No forcing scripture as you can see.
In the evening thre is trouble and in the morning there is none.wakeup.
Wakeup,You are speaking only of the day of Armageddon and the 7th vial.
There are 6 vials poured out on the beasts kingdom before that and the first 5 are punishments but the 6th vial is deception out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.The first vial has not even begun at the death of the witnesses and resurrection at the return of Christ from heaven.
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Res.
Resting.It seems like we are getting closer in understanding.
Before the 7th trumpet,are 6 trumpets.
after the 5th comes the 6th.
And the 6th trumpet is the gathering of the armies.The 6th trumpet consist of two wars.(two gatherings).
1.The war of the kings of the north and the kings of the east.(man against man).The appearing of the Lord,will stop this war.(7th trumpet).The Lord will stay in the air.2.The joining forces of the kings of the north and the kings of the east in megiddo to war against the Lord. This is armageddon; will only last ONE DAY.
wakeup.
The vials can not begin until the return of Christ.It is during the 5 vials that the mortal believers are gathered.
The resurrection occurs before the first vial.
The trumpets are separate to the vials.
Joel gives this for the 6th trumpet.
Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
Joe 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
Joe 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Joe 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; th
ey shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
Joe 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?It is said of it–
Joe 2:20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
Joel ch 3 deals with the nations being gathered to Armageddon and this occurs through the deception of lying wonders from the dragon, beast and false prophet, AFTER the resurrection and after the completion of the mortal gathering.
Zech chs 12-14 give the same.
LA
Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,14:12) Quote (Wakeup @ April 24 2013,11:24) Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,08:00) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,16:03) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,12:41) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
Res.
Resting.The 7th trumpet is the coming of the Lord,
and babylon will be destroyed in ONE DAY.
all is done in ONE DAY.wakeup.
No, you are forcing the scriptures.Christ's return is seen by all men of the earth and the vials of wrath are poured out in the presence of the Lamb and the Holy angels.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:The wicked are punished in the vials before being destroyed.
At the same time of the 5 vials, the mortal believers of Gods choosing will be taken to safety where the eagles are gathered.
The wicked blaspheme God who is punishing them —
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Res.
Resting.Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in **ONE DAY**, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in **ONE HOUR** is thy judgment come.
ALL WILL BE DONE IN AN INSTANT. JUST *ONE DAY*,AND BABYLON IS NO MORE.
No forcing scripture as you can see.
In the evening thre is trouble and in the morning there is none.wakeup.
Wakeup,You are speaking only of the day of Armageddon and the 7th vial.
There are 6 vials poured out on the beasts kingdom before that and the first 5 are punishments but the 6th vial is deception out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.The first vial has not even begun at the death of the witnesses and resurrection at the return of Christ from heaven.
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Res.
Resting.It seems like we are getting closer in understanding.
Before the 7th trumpet,are 6 trumpets.
after the 5th comes the 6th.
And the 6th trumpet is the gathering of the armies.The 6th trumpet consist of two wars.(two gatherings).
1.The war of the kings of the north and the kings of the east.(man against man).The appearing of the Lord,will stop this war.(7th trumpet).The Lord will stay in the air.2.The joining forces of the kings of the north and the kings of the east in megiddo to war against the Lord. This is armageddon; will only last ONE DAY.
wakeup.
The vials can not begin until the return of Christ.It is during the 5 vials that the mortal believers are gathered.
The resurrection occurs before the first vial.
The trumpets are separate to the vials.
Joel gives this for the 6th trumpet.
Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
Joe 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
Joe 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Joe 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth
the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
Joe 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?It is said of it–
Joe 2:20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
Joel ch 3 deals with the nations being gathered to Armageddon and this occurs through the deception of lying wonders from the dragon, beast and false prophet, AFTER the resurrection and after the completion of the mortal gathering.
Zech chs 12-14 give the same.
LA
Resting.If you study the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials;they are the same.
The trumpets are just the signs to pour out the vials.
The trumpets are just signals to pour out the vials.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 24 2013,14:24) Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,14:12) Quote (Wakeup @ April 24 2013,11:24) Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,08:00) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,16:03) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,14:14) Quote (Wakeup @ April 23 2013,12:41) Quote (Resting @ April 23 2013,09:27) Quote (Wakeup @ April 21 2013,14:06) Hi Marty. I believe what the angel says.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the *seventh angel*, when he shall *begin to sound*, the mystery of God should be **finished**, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
*FINISH*MEANS;ALL IS DONE,AT THE SOUND OF THE 7TH ANGEL. THE 7TH TRUMPET.
But you are saying that there are 7 more vials to go?
Please elaborate on that.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Only the mystery is finished at the revelation of Christ.
Christ is revealed at the seventh trumpet and Rev.ch 10 shows Christ speaking a further seven things after the seventh trumpet.
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.The seven trumpets are written down, whereas these thunders are not written down by John in Rev.(but they are vaguely in the OT)
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Resting.The 7th trumpet is the coming of the Lord,
and babylon will be destroyed in ONE DAY.
all is done in ONE DAY.wakeup.
No, you are forcing the scriptures.Christ's return is seen by all men of the earth and the vials of wrath are poured out in the presence of the Lamb and the Holy angels.
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:The wicked are punished in the vials before being destroyed.
At the same time of the 5 vials, the mortal believers of Gods choosing will be taken to safety where the eagles are gathered.
The wicked blaspheme God who is punishing them —
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
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Resting.Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in **ONE DAY**, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in **ONE HOUR** is thy judgment come.
ALL WILL BE DONE IN AN INSTANT. JUST *ONE DAY*,AND BABYLON IS NO MORE.
No forcing scripture as you can see.
In the evening thre is trouble and in the morning there is none.wakeup.
Wakeup,You are speaking only of the day of Armageddon and the 7th vial.
There are 6 vials poured out on the beasts kingdom before that and the first 5 are punishments but the 6th vial is deception out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.The first vial has not even begun at the death of the witnesses and resurrection at the return of Christ from heaven.
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Res.
Resting.It seems like we are getting closer in understanding.
Before the 7th trumpet,are 6 trumpets.
after the 5th comes the 6th.
And the 6th trumpet is the gathering of the armies.The 6th trumpet consist of two wars.(two gatherings).
1.The war of the kings of the north and the kings of the east.(man against man).The appearing of the Lord,will stop this war.(7th trumpet).The Lord will stay in the air.2.The joining forces of the kings of the north and the kings of the east in megiddo to war against the Lord. This is armageddon; will only last ONE DAY.
wakeup.
The vials can not begin until the return of Christ.It is during the 5 vials that the mortal believers are gathered.
The resurrection occurs before the first vial.
The trumpets are separate to the vials.
Joel gives this for the 6th trumpet.
Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
Joe 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
Joe 2:4 The
appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Joe 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
Joe 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?It is said of it–
Joe 2:20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
Joel ch 3 deals with the nations being gathered to Armageddon and this occurs through the deception of lying wonders from the dragon, beast and false prophet, AFTER the resurrection and after the completion of the mortal gathering.
Zech chs 12-14 give the same.
LA
Resting.If you study the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials;they are the same.
The trumpets are just the signs to pour out the vials.
The trumpets are just signals to pour out the vials.wakeup.
No, because the 7th month feast days determines the order of events.The trumpets are the judgments upon the churches before the resurrection and the vials are upon the beast worshippers after the resurrection.
Study what the third means.
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Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,20:21) The trumpets are the judgments upon the churches before the resurrection and the vials are upon the beast worshippers after the resurrection. Study what the third means.
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Resting.The Churches will worship the beast.
They are taught that the mark is the seal of God.
The real mark of the beast is sunday worship.
The top pastors are receiving big sums of money to teach this fraud.This is what really worries me.
They are using Romans 13.
We need to warn our brothers and sisters.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
You stated:
Quote Marty. The 7 plaques is the wrath of God,not the judgement day.
All that died during the war,and then armageddon,
are not judged yet; they are war casualties.
Everyone must be judged before the white throne.Every person that died in a war or accident is not judged yet.
Sodom and gomorah,was destroyed,but they also will be judged accordingly,in the second judgement.But no, I still believe that the wrath of God exercised on those who have received the mark of the beast is the judgement of God for those who are alive at the Lord's coming for the church.
In 2 Thes 2 the YLT uses the word “judged” for those who have believed the lie, the anti-christ, the KJV uses damned. Here is the scripture from the YLT:
Quote 2Th 2:3 let not any one deceive you in any manner, because — if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed — the son of the destruction, 2Th 2:4 who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshipped, so that he in the sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God — [the day doth not come].
2Th 2:5 Do ye not remember that, being yet with you, these things I said to you?
2Th 2:6 and now, what is keeping down ye have known, for his being revealed in his own time,
And you say:
2Th 2:7 for the secret of the lawlessness doth already work, only he who is keeping down now [will hinder] — till he may be out of the way,
2Th 2:8 and then shall be revealed the Lawless One, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the manifestation of his presence,
2Th 2:9 [him,] whose presence is according to the working of the Adversary, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and in all deceitfulness of the unrighteousness in those perishing, because the love of the truth they did not receive for their being saved,
2Th 2:11 and because of this shall God send to them a working of delusion, for their believing the lie,
2Th 2:12 that they may be judged — all who did not believe the truth, but were well pleased in the unrighteousness.
And no, I do not believe that those whom God destroyed in Sodom and Ghomorrah will be raised again to be judged.
Here is what it states in Jude:
Quote Jud 1:5 ¶ I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Quote In the second resurrection;all that have died on the earth since time began,will stand before the throne and be judged according to their works and seperated. The sheep on the right and the goats on the left. Those in the OT who have not believed have already been judged. They will not be raised from the dead in the 2nd resurrection.
The second resurrection is for those who have died in their sins from the onset of the ministry of Jesus unto his coming for the church.
John 12 states this:
Quote Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Quote Rom 5:12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
And so, the scripture states that where there is no law sin is not imputed. From Adam unto Moses, those that lived in days of Adam unto the flood were judged by the same judgment that God rendered unto Adam and Eve when they disobeyed God. Those who did not believe in the time of Noah were judged and destroyed by the flood.
Those under the Law of Moses were judged by the Law:
This is what it states in Hebrews:
Quote Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
I don't know if I answered all of your questions. If not, try again. I have to go for now.
Love in Christ,
MartyThank you for answering Marty.
But there is a second judgment of all sorts of people.
The judgement of the white throne.
If one simply die and not judged after;then lets just live and be merry,and die; for there is no judgement day.
No;all must stand before the throne,and judged accoring to their works, and the goats will be cast in the fire.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2013,12:14) Thank you for answering Marty. But there is a second judgment of all sorts of people.
The judgement of the white throne.
If one simply die and not judged after;then lets just live and be merry,and die; for there is no judgement day.
No;all must stand before the throne,and judged accoring to their works, and the goats will be cast in the fire.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:There is judgment rendered by God, but the greater the revelation of God's plan for the redemption of mankind the greater the severity of the judgment. Those in Genesis did not have the revelation of God's Word that we have in the present time, but those under the Law of Moses had more of a revelation of God's plan than they did, and so forth.
I have already showed you what Jesus stated, but here it is again:
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Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
And so, how am I saying that there is no judgment so that men can just live their lives with no accountablility. If Jesus had not given his life there would be no accountability, but since he did every man who has lived from the time of his ministry here on earth until his coming for the church will give an account of his life to God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 29 2013,12:41) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2013,12:14) Thank you for answering Marty. But there is a second judgment of all sorts of people.
The judgement of the white throne.
If one simply die and not judged after;then lets just live and be merry,and die; for there is no judgement day.
No;all must stand before the throne,and judged accoring to their works, and the goats will be cast in the fire.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:There is judgment rendered by God, but the greater the revelation of God's plan for the redemption of mankind the greater the severity of the judgment. Those in Genesis did not have the revelation of God's Word that we have in the present time, but those under the Law of Moses had more of a revelation of God's plan than they did, and so forth.
I have already showed you what Jesus stated, but here it is again:
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Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
And so, how am I saying that there is no judgment so that men can just live their lives with no accountablility. If Jesus had not given his life there would be no accountability, but since he did every man who has lived from the time of his ministry here on earth until his coming for the church will give an account of his life to God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
We can see that sodom will be judged in the last day.
For every knee shall bow down.
There are many children also to be judged.
How would God judge children and babies?
He can see the future of those babies,how they are going to
grow up to be.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 24 2013,21:46) Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,20:21) The trumpets are the judgments upon the churches before the resurrection and the vials are upon the beast worshippers after the resurrection. Study what the third means.
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Resting.The Churches will worship the beast.
They are taught that the mark is the seal of God.
The real mark of the beast is sunday worship.
The top pastors are receiving big sums of money to teach this fraud.This is what really worries me.
They are using Romans 13.
We need to warn our brothers and sisters.wakeup.
wakeup,Why do you say Sunday worship is the mark of the beast??
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Quote (Resting @ April 29 2013,16:02) Quote (Wakeup @ April 24 2013,21:46) Quote (Resting @ April 24 2013,20:21) The trumpets are the judgments upon the churches before the resurrection and the vials are upon the beast worshippers after the resurrection. Study what the third means.
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Resting.The Churches will worship the beast.
They are taught that the mark is the seal of God.
The real mark of the beast is sunday worship.
The top pastors are receiving big sums of money to teach this fraud.This is what really worries me.
They are using Romans 13.
We need to warn our brothers and sisters.wakeup.
wakeup,Why do you say Sunday worship is the mark of the beast??
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Resting.The sda are upfront teaching that the mark of the beast is the sunday worshippers. That we should worship God on saturday,not on sunday.
Any christian that worship God on a sunday has the mark of the beast;because sunday is the day of the sun.This wont work;because then only sunday christian worshippers will have the mark of the beast.
The scripture says: **ALL,SMAL AND GREAT RICH AND POOR ,FREE AND BOND**, WILL WILL BE FORCED TO HAVE THE MARK. THE MARK IS FOR ONE TO BE ABLE TO BUY OR SELL. NOTHING TODO WITH WORSHIPPING ON A SUNDAY.THEY ARE ALSO PUSHING AND USING ROMANS 13;SAYING THAT WE MUST OBEY THE LAWS OF THE GOVERNMENT.
THE TOP LEADERS ONLY, ARE ON THE RECEIVING END,BIG MONEY INVOLVED.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2013,15:57) Quote (942767 @ April 29 2013,12:41) Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2013,12:14) Thank you for answering Marty. But there is a second judgment of all sorts of people.
The judgement of the white throne.
If one simply die and not judged after;then lets just live and be merry,and die; for there is no judgement day.
No;all must stand before the throne,and judged accoring to their works, and the goats will be cast in the fire.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:There is judgment rendered by God, but the greater the revelation of God's plan for the redemption of mankind the greater the severity of the judgment. Those in Genesis did not have the revelation of God's Word that we have in the present time, but those under the Law of Moses had more of a revelation of God's plan than they did, and so forth.
I have already showed you what Jesus stated, but here it is again:
Quote
Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
And so, how am I saying that there is no judgment so that men can just live their lives with no accountablility. If Jesus had not given his life there would be no accountability, but since he did every man who has lived from the time of his ministry here on earth until his coming for the church will give an account of his life to God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty.Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
We can see that sodom will be judged in the last day.
For every knee shall bow down.
There are many children also to be judged.
How would God judge children and babies?
He can see the future of those babies,how they are going to
grow up to be.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:The scripture states that Sodom and Ghommorah suffered the vengeance of eternal fire:
Quote Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. And so, no, they have already been judged and destroyed, they will not be resurrected to be judged again, but as I have stated the severity of the judgment will greater the more of the revelation each generation has relative to God's plan for the redemption of men. Jesus is stating the those who have heard the gospel and have rejected God's Word will suffer a greater punishment than those of Sodom and Ghomorrah.
The word “Sodom” is also used in the following way:
Quote Jer 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. Quote Lam 4:6 For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. Quote 2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; Quote Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
And so, Jesus states that the great city, (Jerusalem) spiritually is called Sodom.
Judgment upon those who know the truth will be more severe than those who have never known the truth.
Like this:
Quote Luk 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom [his] lord shall make ruler over his household, to give [them their] portion of meat in due season? Luk 12:43 Blessed [is] that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Luk 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
And no, children will not be judged. Parents are responsible for their children, and they will be judged. Children of unsaved parents who are under their care will not be saved. They will die a physical death, but no, they will not be resurrected. Children of saved parents are part of the body of Christ as
long as they are children. Again, the parents are responsible for the children.Quote 1Cr 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,02:46) Marty. Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:This is what this commentary states relative to the verses that you have quoted out of Jeremiah states:
The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah
Commentary by A. R. FAUSSET
CHAPTER 31Quote 28. ( Jer 44:27 ). The same God who, as it were (in human language), was on the watch for all means to destroy, shall be as much on the watch for the means of their restoration. 29. In those days–after their punishment has. been completed, and mercy again visits them.
fathers . . . eaten . . . sour grape . . . children's teeth . . . on edge–the proverb among the exiles' children born in Babylon, to express that they suffered the evil consequences of their fathers' sins rather than of their own ( Lam 5:7 Eze 18:2, 3 ).And then we have the new covenant promised by God:
Quote Jer 31:31 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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