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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,17:02) hi ron
you did not answer the question ,
and i am sure we all know what abiss means this was not the question,try ogain
Actually many do not understand what it means:Some verses uses abyss, some verses use prison, some verses use to bind, some verses uses bound, so what is it saying?
Bottom line, it is saying he is restricted from doing what he has been doing for a long long time.
People forget Revelation is a prophetic vision set forth in a poetic language on a metaphoric stage. Sadly they utilize literal interpretation for one verse when several other parallel verses within the same chapter use differant words.
Fortunatly I worked in prisons my whole life and recognise the language here, in old days a prison was a hole in the ground with a metal grill on top wherin a person was chained and tossed into, later on caves were used with metal grills covering the opening wherin a person was chained and tossed into, then came dungeons, then buildings.
Here the language abyss, bind, bound, prison simply means he was restricted from the normal course of action.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,17:03) hi ron
I hope you are not suffering of selectif earing??
Sadly, terraricca,You allowed exactly 1 minute between both your posts before your condencending remarks to me. It takes more than a minute to reply.
But apparently you cannot seem to wait.
So I guess you and Banana can talk to each other since you both are impatient and love to hurl slurs.
You have a good day.
hi ron
i agree with you in your last statement.
but you did not answer the question wy you put abyss+earth?hi ron
i do not slur,but i would think wen you respond you should answer the question otherwise it willbe berrit under all the new discussions,and forgot.
for a person who has worked in prison you are showing a very sensatif caracter.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,17:28) hi ron
i do not slur,but i would think wen you respond you should answer the question otherwise it willbe berrit under all the new discussions,and forgot.
for a person who has worked in prison you are showing a very sensatif caracter.
I try to respond to everyone in this post. And it does take time, because I like to double check every thing I post, and I look everything up in scripture and go back to the Greek or Hebrew to ensure it is correct.Quote for a person who has worked in prison you are showing a very sensatif caracter. I did not understand what you said here, could you explain what you said here?
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,17:34) hi Ron
look my post dated “dec.05 2009,03;13
answer the questions
How can you have a post dec.05 2009,03;13, when today is dec 4th?Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 05 2009,10:23) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2009,09:31) Hi CON,
When Jesus returns he meets with his resurrected brothers in the air-which is of earth only.
There is no mention of his returning to heaven with them.
Why would they meet him in the air if they were to stay on the earth? If they were to resurrect why wouldn't they stay on the ground?C'mon think about it.
Hello RonI know you hate to be corrected, I know you read my post before this one, and I know you choose to ignore it since you don't know how to respond to truth; so I will do it again and show you what it means to meat Christ in the air.
Paul is talking about the first resurrection, the saints, they will be resurrected with not only a new body, but a new nature, spirit nature, just as angels are.
Jesus tried to explain to Nickodemus what a spirit was, he said, like the wind or air, meaning, you can't see them. To meet Christ in the “air” simply means, you meet him in the spirit world.
And, where will Christ reign?Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Why would you even think any one would go to heaven, did not Jesus tell the apostles?
Jhn 7:34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
He said it twice.
Jhn 8:21 ¶ Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
So, why don't we believe him.
Yes, think about it.
Georg
terraricca
Jhn 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
Georg
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,18:42) hi ron
it is correct look it up.
maybe it is because i am in Canada?
This is your last post: Look at the date for here in America:Quote terraricca, Posted: Dec. 04 2009,18:42:
hi ron
it is correct look it up.
maybe it is because i am in Canada?You need to copy and paste, what you want answered not just “post date and time”. Since post dates and times differ due to locality.
hi ron
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hi ron
the quote of Philip;3-14,15.talks abode two asperation ,one heavenly and the other not so,just like i mention Mat;5;8 and 10,shows Christ saying the meek will recieve the earth,it seems that this is left out of the explanation,
and also the 144000 are different than the great crowd,it look s like you mention them to be one single unit or the samething.
question-is this your version of events???well there it is
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,21:34) hi ron Group: Members
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hi ron
the quote of Philip;3-14,15.talks abode two asperation ,one heavenly and the other not so,just like i mention Mat;5;8 and 10,shows Christ saying the meek will recieve the earth,it seems that this is left out of the explanation,
and also the 144000 are different than the great crowd,it look s like you mention them to be one single unit or the samething.
question-is this your version of events???well there it is
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which [1] no man could number, [2] of all nations, [3] and kindreds, [4] and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Revelation 7:9They are the same nation:
[1] No man: Greek – “no one.”
[2] Of all nations: Greek, “OUT OF every nation.” The human race is “one nation” by origin, but afterwards separated itself into tribes, peoples, and tongues; hence, the one singular stands first, followed by the three plurals.
[3] Kindreds: Greek – “tribes.”
[4] People: Greek – “peoples.” The “first-fruits unto the Lamb,” the 144,000 (Rev 14:1-4) of Israel, are followed by a copious harvest of all nations, an election out of the Gentiles, as the 144,000 are an election out of Israel.
[5] Palms in . . . hands: The antitype to the Messiah's entry into Jerusalem amidst the palm-bearing multitude.
This shall be just when He is about to come visibly and take possession of His kingdom.
The palm branch is the symbol of joy and triumph.
It was used at the feast of tabernacles, on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when they kept feast to 'elohim in thanksgiving for the ingathered fruits.
The antitype shall be the completed gathering in of the harvest of the elect redeemed here described.
Compare Zec 14:16, whence it appears that the earthly feast of tabernacles will be renewed, in commemoration of Israel's preservation in her long wilderness like sojourn among the nations from which she shall now be delivered, just as the original typical feast was to commemorate her dwelling for forty years in booths or tabernacles in the literal wilderness.
Thus:
144,000 Israel [sealed] + Great Multitude Gentiles = One Nation.
Though these are not said to be sealed, yet they were selected by 'elohim out of all nations, and brought into his church, and there stood before the throne.
'Elohim will have a greater harvest of souls among the Gentiles than he had among the Jews. More are the children of the desolate than of the married woman.
I like the way Wesley states it:
Quote A great multitude – Of those who had happily finished their course. Such multitudes are afterwards described, and still higher degrees of glory which they attain after a sharp fight and magnificent victory, Rev 14:1; 15:2; 19:1; 20:4. There is an inconceivable variety in the degrees of reward in the other world. Let not any slothful one say, If I get to heaven at all, I will be content: such an one may let heaven go altogether. In worldly things, men are ambitious to get as high as they can. Christians have a far more noble ambition. The difference between the very highest and the lowest state in the world is nothing to the smallest difference between the degrees of glory. But who has time to think of this? Who is at all concerned about it? Standing before the throne – In the full vision of God. And palms in their hands – Tokens of joy and victory. Quote (banana @ Dec. 04 2009,19:07) terraricca Jhn 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
Georg
Why could the not come? Or follow?[1] They were still alive and in the flesh.
[2] They need to wait for his return and the resurrection, and then they will meet him in the clouds.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,17:28) hi ron
i do not slur,but i would think wen you respond you should answer the question otherwise it willbe berrit under all the new discussions,and forgot.
for a person who has worked in prison you are showing a very sensatif caracter.
I still do not understand what this means:Quote for a person who has worked in prison you are showing a very sensatif caracter. hi con
you should read your answer to me, and then you give me some unwanted comment,so i said this in regard to what you ad said to me a few quotes ago ,if this is not clear to you ,it is without importance ,
we will have to look beon this, there was no arm done,Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,21:34) hi ron Group: Members
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hi ron
the quote of Philip;3-14,15.talks abode two asperation ,one heavenly and the other not so,just like i mention Mat;5;8 and 10,shows Christ saying the meek will recieve the earth,it seems that this is left out of the explanation,
and also the 144000 are different than the great crowd,it look s like you mention them to be one single unit or the samething.
question-is this your version of events???well there it is
Quote terraricca – the quote of Philip;3-14,15.talks abode two asperation ,one heavenly and the other not so, Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of G-d in Yeshua HaMoshiach.
Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, G-d shall reveal even this unto you.I don't understand your question on Philippians 3:14-15.
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