The millennium

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hi Ron

so as i read abode the milenium satan will be tied and trow into the abis ,according to you this will be on the earth after the destruction of the wicketness

In your comment to “THE TRUTH ABOUT THE RAPTURE”
COULD YOU EXPLAIN REVELATION 7.THE 144000. AND PHILIP;3-14,15.??

IN THE LIGHT OF MATH;5;10 AND ALSO MATH;5;8 COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE ABOVE

December 4, 2009 at 4:00 am#162013

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Hi CON,
Where does scripture say Jesus takes people to heaven for 1000 years-nothing in what you offered says that does it?

December 4, 2009 at 8:06 am#162035

banana

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Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 04 2009,13:51)

End-Time Events

Pre-Advent Events

The book of Daniel is opened (understood). (Da 12:9 compare Rev 10:1,2,9-11)

The investigative judgment of the righteous begins. (Rev 14:7)

For (in favor of) the righteous (Da 7:22, 1Pe 4:17)

Against Satan and his wicked confederation (compare Day of Atonement Lev 16:20-22)

For the benefit of the angels (unfallen beings) (compare 1Pe 1:10-12)

The eternal gospel is preached to all nations. (Mt 24:14, Rev 14:6)

There is a falling away (apostasy) in the church. (2Th 2:2,3, 1Ti 4:1, 2Ti 4:3,4)

Godlessness abounds. (2Ti 3:1-5)

Defiant sin abounds. (Ro 1:20-32, Rev 9:20,21)

Warning messages are heralded to all nations by God's remnant. (2Th 2:1-3,7-9, Rev 14:8-12 compare (Rev 12:17), Rev 18:1-5)

Modern Babylon assumes world-wide power.

Signs and wonders sway the masses. (Rev 13:11-14, Rev 16:13-16, Rev 19:20)

The masses worship the image of the beast. (Rev 13:3,4, Rev 13:11,12)

God's remnant is persecuted under the mark of the beast. (Rev 13:15-17)

Close of probation (Rev 22:11,12)

Seven last plagues (Rev 15:1, Rev 16:1,2,9-11,17-21)

Note: Rev 16:2 occurs after the mark of the beast. (compare Rev 14:9,10)

Second Advent of Jesus Christ

Jesus comes with His angels (Mt 24:30,31, Mt 25:31,32, Rev 19:11-16)

The executive judgment of the righteous occurs.

Righteous dead raised first (Da 12:1,2, 1Th 4:16)

The first resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:6)

The resurrection of life (Jn 5:28,29)

Righteous (raised and living) meet Jesus in the air (1Th 4:16-18, Rev 14:14-16)

Righteous are transformed into their glorified immortal bodies (Isa 35:4-6, 1Co 15:42-44,51-54, Php 3:20,21)

The leaders/agents of the beast and false prophet systems are destroyed as they gather to make war against Jesus (2Th 2:8,9, Rev 19:19,20)

They make war against Jesus by attempting to destroy His people. (Dt 3:22, Ps 35:1-3, Rev 13:15, Rev 17:12-14)

The rest of the wicked living are also destroyed. (Jer 25:33,37,38, Mt 13:40-43, Lk 17:29,30, 2Th 1:7-10, Rev 14:17-20, Rev 19:17,18,21)

Wicked dead remain dead (Rev 20:5)

The Millennium

The righteous are taken to heaven for 1,000 years. (Jn 14:1-3, Rev 20:6)

Satan and his demons are bound on a desolate earth by chains of circumstance. (Isa 14:12-20, Isa 24:3, Jer 4:23-26, Rev 20:1-3,5)

The investigative judgment of the wicked begins.

Against the wicked (people, Satan, and fallen angels) (1Co 6:2,3, 1Pe 4:17,18)

For the benefit of the righteous (Rev 20:4-6)

Third Advent of Jesus Christ

Jesus returns with the righteous to the Mount of Olives. (Zec 14:3-9)

This location was foretold. (Lk 24:50,51 (Bethany is on a slope of the Mount of Olives), Ac 1:10,11)

New Jerusalem descends to earth. (Rev 21:2,3,10)

Wicked dead are raised

The second resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:5)

The resurrection of condemnation (Jn 5:28,29)

Satan is loosed (from chains of circumstance) and deceives the wicked into attacking the holy city. (Rev 20:7-9)

Note: The fate of Satan and the wicked in Rev 20:9,10 is parenthetical and occurs at the end of the great white throne judgment.

The executive judgment of the wicked (great white throne judgment) occurs. (Rev 20:11-15)

Against the wicked (Rev 20:5,12)

Note: The book of life contains only the righteous (the fruit of the first resurrection). (Rev 20:6)

For the benefit of the wicked (Jude 1:14,15)

Jesus' glory is reviewed in panoramic majesty (His perfect life and perfect death) (Isa 40:5)

The wicked behold the enormity of their personal and corporate guilt.

Every knee shall bow (God is vindicated before the entire universe). (Isa 45:22,23, Ro 14:11, Php 2:10,11)

Wicked are destroyed by fire (the second death) (Mal 4:1-3, Mt 25:41, Rev 11:18, Rev 20:9,15, Rev 21:7,8, Rev 22:14,15)

Note on Rev 22:14,15: The wicked are outside of the city and dead (compare Ro 6:23)

Satan and his angels are also destroyed by this fire. (Jer 51:25, Eze 28:17-19, Mt 25:41, Rev 20:10)

The new earth (heaven) is created. (Isa 65:17, 2Pe 3:10-13, Rev 21:1-5, Rev 21:9-27, Rev 22:1-5, Isa 11:9)

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Const

Like I said, you put up a lot of scriptures, and I doubt they are yours, but you have no clue what they really mean. That is unfortunate, because it looks so impressive.
Show me that you understand something by telling me;
Who, or what are the feet and ten toes in Dan. 2:41-43?
Who are the ten horns in Dan. 7:7?
Who is the little horn in Dan. 7:8?
What is prophesied in Dan. 9:24?
Explain to me Dan. 9:27.

Georg

December 4, 2009 at 9:20 am#162053

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Quote (banana @ Dec. 04 2009,00:06)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 04 2009,13:51)

End-Time Events

Pre-Advent Events

The book of Daniel is opened (understood). (Da 12:9 compare Rev 10:1,2,9-11)

The investigative judgment of the righteous begins. (Rev 14:7)

For (in favor of) the righteous (Da 7:22, 1Pe 4:17)

Against Satan and his wicked confederation (compare Day of Atonement Lev 16:20-22)

For the benefit of the angels (unfallen beings) (compare 1Pe 1:10-12)

The eternal gospel is preached to all nations. (Mt 24:14, Rev 14:6)

There is a falling away (apostasy) in the church. (2Th 2:2,3, 1Ti 4:1, 2Ti 4:3,4)

Godlessness abounds. (2Ti 3:1-5)

Defiant sin abounds. (Ro 1:20-32, Rev 9:20,21)

Warning messages are heralded to all nations by God's remnant. (2Th 2:1-3,7-9, Rev 14:8-12 compare (Rev 12:17), Rev 18:1-5)

Modern Babylon assumes world-wide power.

Signs and wonders sway the masses. (Rev 13:11-14, Rev 16:13-16, Rev 19:20)

The masses worship the image of the beast. (Rev 13:3,4, Rev 13:11,12)

God's remnant is persecuted under the mark of the beast. (Rev 13:15-17)

Close of probation (Rev 22:11,12)

Seven last plagues (Rev 15:1, Rev 16:1,2,9-11,17-21)

Note: Rev 16:2 occurs after the mark of the beast. (compare Rev 14:9,10)

Second Advent of Jesus Christ

Jesus comes with His angels (Mt 24:30,31, Mt 25:31,32, Rev 19:11-16)

The executive judgment of the righteous occurs.

Righteous dead raised first (Da 12:1,2, 1Th 4:16)

The first resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:6)

The resurrection of life (Jn 5:28,29)

Righteous (raised and living) meet Jesus in the air (1Th 4:16-18, Rev 14:14-16)

Righteous are transformed into their glorified immortal bodies (Isa 35:4-6, 1Co 15:42-44,51-54, Php 3:20,21)

The leaders/agents of the beast and false prophet systems are destroyed as they gather to make war against Jesus (2Th 2:8,9, Rev 19:19,20)

They make war against Jesus by attempting to destroy His people. (Dt 3:22, Ps 35:1-3, Rev 13:15, Rev 17:12-14)

The rest of the wicked living are also destroyed. (Jer 25:33,37,38, Mt 13:40-43, Lk 17:29,30, 2Th 1:7-10, Rev 14:17-20, Rev 19:17,18,21)

Wicked dead remain dead (Rev 20:5)

The Millennium

The righteous are taken to heaven for 1,000 years. (Jn 14:1-3, Rev 20:6)

Satan and his demons are bound on a desolate earth by chains of circumstance. (Isa 14:12-20, Isa 24:3, Jer 4:23-26, Rev 20:1-3,5)

The investigative judgment of the wicked begins.

Against the wicked (people, Satan, and fallen angels) (1Co 6:2,3, 1Pe 4:17,18)

For the benefit of the righteous (Rev 20:4-6)

Third Advent of Jesus Christ

Jesus returns with the righteous to the Mount of Olives. (Zec 14:3-9)

This location was foretold. (Lk 24:50,51 (Bethany is on a slope of the Mount of Olives), Ac 1:10,11)

New Jerusalem descends to earth. (Rev 21:2,3,10)

Wicked dead are raised

The second resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:5)

The resurrection of condemnation (Jn 5:28,29)

Satan is loosed (from chains of circumstance) and deceives the wicked into attacking the holy city. (Rev 20:7-9)

Note: The fate of Satan and the wicked in Rev 20:9,10 is parenthetical and occurs at the end of the great white throne judgment.

The executive judgment of the wicked (great white throne judgment) occurs. (Rev 20:11-15)

Against the wicked (Rev 20:5,12)

Note: The book of life contains only the righteous (the fruit of the first resurrection). (Rev 20:6)

For the benefit of the wicked (Jude 1:14,15)

Jesus' glory is reviewed in panoramic majesty (His perfect life and perfect death) (Isa 40:5)

The wicked behold the enormity of their personal and corporate guilt.

Every knee shall bow (God is vindicated before the entire universe). (Isa 45:22,23, Ro 14:11, Php 2:10,11)

Wicked are destroyed by fire (the second death) (Mal 4:1-3, Mt 25:41, Rev 11:18, Rev 20:9,15, Rev 21:7,8, Rev 22:14,15)

Note on Rev 22:14,15: The wicked are outside of the city and dead (compare Ro 6:23)

Satan and his angels are also destroyed by this fire. (Jer 51:25, Eze 28:17-19, Mt 25:41, Rev 20:10)

The new earth (heaven) is created. (Isa 65:17, 2Pe 3:10-13, Rev 21:1-5, Rev 21:9-27, Rev 22:1-5, Isa 11:9)

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Const

Georg

Gee whiz,

Your sarcasm is noted again, but if you would have read it instead of just glancing again and spouting off to hear yourself spout, you would have noticed the link I gave at the bottom of that post.

So again your hate is duly noted.

December 4, 2009 at 10:14 am#162056

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At the second coming 'elohim's people will be taken to heaven.

“For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of 'elohim, and the dead in the Messiah will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” I Thessalonians 4:16-17, NIV.

At the time of the second coming of the Messiah the wicked are overwhelmed with terror and despair.

“They called to the mountains and the rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” Revelation 6:16-17, NIV.

The leader of the wicked is destroyed with the brightness of the Messiah's coming and the rest of the wicked are killed by His sword.

“And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Yeshua HaMoshiach will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.” II Thessalonians 2:8, NIV.

“The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse.” Revelation 19:21, NIV.

Since the righteous ascend to be with the Lord and the wicked are destroyed at His appearing, the earth stands for a time without human inhabitants.

“I looked at the earth, and it was formless and empty; and at the heavens, and their light was gone. I looked at the mountains, and they were quaking; all the hills were swaying. I looked, and there were no people; every bird in the sky had flown away.” Jeremiah 4:23-25, NIV.

The wicked remain in their graves for a thousand years.

“['Elohim's people] came to life and reigned with the Messiah a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)” Revelation 20:4-5, NIV.

While the saints are in heaven and the wicked are dead, the devil is confined to the desolate earth for 1000 years.

“And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him in the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations any more until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.” Revelation 20:1-3, NIV.

At the close of the 1000 years the holy city of 'elohim will descend from heaven to earth.

“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from 'elohim, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Now the dwelling of 'elohim is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and 'elohim Himself will be with them and be their 'elohim.” Revelation 21:1-3, NIV.

With the wicked resurrected and Satan released they attempt to take the city of 'elohim.

“When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand of the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of 'elohim's people, the city he loves.” Revelation 20:7-9, NIV.

Then they are destroyed by hell fire.

“But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.” Revelation 20:9, NIV.

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December 4, 2009 at 11:11 am#162061

http://www.harvesthands.org/DanRev/rev07.htm

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 03 2009,19:56)

hi Ron

so as i read abode the milenium satan will be tied and trow into the abis ,according to you this will be on the earth after the destruction of the wicketness

In your comment to “THE TRUTH ABOUT THE RAPTURE”
COULD YOU EXPLAIN REVELATION 7.THE 144000. AND PHILIP;3-14,15.??

IN THE LIGHT OF MATH;5;10 AND ALSO MATH;5;8 COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE ABOVE

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In your comment to “THE TRUTH ABOUT THE RAPTURE” COULD YOU EXPLAIN REVELATION 7.THE 144000. AND PHILIP;3-14,15.??

Revelation 7

The 144,000

Answers the question in previous verse: “Who shall be able to stand?” (Rev 6:17)

1. Number 4 – Global/universal (Isa 11:12, Eze 7:2, Da 7:2, Zec 6:5-7, Mt 24:31)

Wind – Warfare/battle/strife (Jer 25:31-33, Jer 49:36,37, Hab 1:6,9, Mt 7:25)

Earth, sea – Universal

Trees – People/nations (Ps 1:1-3, Eze 15:6, Eze 17:3,4,11,12, Da 4:20-22, Mt 3:9,10, Mt 7:15-20, Lk 23:28,31)

God's angels hold back the forces of evil. (Da 10:13,20, Eph 6:12)

2. Angel – Messenger (compare Rev 14:6)

Ascending from the east – From God (Ge 3:24, Eze 43:2, Mal 4:2, Mt 2:2, Mt 24:7, Rev 16:12)

The seal of God – Holy Spirit (Jn 6:27 compare Lk 3:22, 2Co 1:22, Eph 1:13,14, Eph 4:30)

Through the Holy Spirit, God's law is in the forehead of every true believer. (Heb 8:10, Heb 10:15,16)

Note that a person's seal contains their name, their title, and their dominion.

Example: Abraham Lincoln, President, United States of America

In this sense, the fourth commandment is also a seal of God. (Ex 20:8-11)

Name – the Lord God

Title – Creator

Dominion – heaven and earth

The fourth commandment as a seal of God is in harmony with the seal and the law being in the forehead. (compare Isa 8:16)

God proclaims that the Sabbath is a special sign of His people. (Ex 31:16,17, Eze 20:12,20)

3. The servants of God are all those who will live with Him in Heaven. (Rev 22:3,4)

Forehead – Character (Ex 13:9,16, Ex 28:36-38, Dt 6:6-8, Eze 9:4-6, Heb 10:16, Rev 13:16, Rev 17:5, Rev 22:4)

The final Satanic tempest is being held back until the close of probation. (compare Rev 22:11)

4. John hears the number sealed. – 144,000

Notes on the number 144,000

144,000 = 12 x 12 x 1,000 (12 patriarchs, 12 apostles, a multitude) (Mt 19:28, Rev 4:4, Rev 21:12)

144,000 is represented in the measurements of New Jerusalem. (Rev 21:16,17)

The army of the nation of Israel consisted of 12 courses of 24,000 men each. (1Ch 27:1-15)

12 x 24,000 = 288,000 = 2 x 144,000 soldiers (compare 2Ti 2:3 and Phm 1:2)

The temple singers of the nation of Israel consisted of 24 wards of 12 men each. (1Ch 25:7-31)

24 x 12 = 288 = 2 x 144 singers (compare Col 3:16 and Rev 15:2,3)

5-8. The 144,000 list of 12 tribes differs from the old testament lists.

Sons of Jacob (Ge 35:22-26): Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher

O.T. tribes (what was) (Nu 1:5-15): Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Asher, Gad, Naphtali

In this context, Levi is represented by Moses.

Joseph is composed of 2 special sub-tribes (Ephraim and Manasseh). (Nu 1:10, Ge 48:5, Eze 47:13)

O.T. visionary Jerusalem tribes (what could have been) (Eze 48:31-34): Reuben, Judah, Levi, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, Gad, Asher, Naphtali

144,000 tribes (what will be) (Rev 7:5-8): Judah (Christ), Reuben, Gad, Aser, Nepthalim, Manasses, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zabulon, Joseph, Benjamin

Spelling differences are due to differences in Hebrew and Greek transliterations.

Dan not mentioned – Dan is associated with wickedness and idolatry (Ge 49:17, Jdg 18:30)

In Jdg 18:30 Manasseh should be Moses (Differentiating Hebrew “n” inserted as superscript by scribes) (Ex 2:21,22)

Note a similarity in the 12 apostles, with Judas being replaced by Matthias. (Ac 1:25,26)

Manasses was the least of Joseph's sons. (Ge 48:14, Jer 31:9)

Joshua was an Ephraimite (Nu 13:8,16, Nu 14:6), Gideon was a Manassite (Jdg 6:15)

Since Manasses is listed separately, Ephraim is represented by Joseph.

Note that the names of the 12 tribes of Israel will be written on the gates of new Jerusalem. (Rev 21:12)

Name represents character (Ex 3:13,14, Ex 23:20,21, Ex 34:5-7, Nu 6:27, 2Ch 6:5-9, Isa 56:5, Eze 39:7, Da 9:19, Jn 12:28, Jn 17:6,26, Rev 3:12, Rev 14:1, Rev 14:11, Rev 17:5, Rev 19:12, Rev 22:3,4)

12,000 from each tribe cannot be interpreted literally.

If this were literal, this would imply predestination/election without free will.

If this were literal, only ethnic Jews would be saved.

The 12 tribes represent Spiritual Israel – All those who accept Jesus as Saviour and Lord. (Ro 2:28,29, Ro 9:6-8, Ro 10:12,13, Gal 3:7-9,14,26-29, Gal 6:14-16, Eph 2:11-13,19,20)

12,000 from each tribe illustrates that salvation is offered equally to all who will accept it. (Rev 22:17)

The absense of Dan illustrates the fate of those who turn away from God.(Rev 22:14,15)

9. John first heard the number sealed, and now sees those who were sealed.

The 144,000 are revealed to be a great multitude that no man can number.

The 144,000 are from every nation and language (not just Jews).

10. The 144,000 praise the Father and Christ as the source of their salvation.

Note that the Father sits on heaven's throne (with Christ) (Rev 3:21, Rev 4:2,11)

11. The unfallen beings join in as the redeemed of the earth worship God.

12. Seven elements of praise are acknowledged as eternal characteristics/rights of God.

Blessing, glory, wisdom, thanksgiving, honour, power, and might.

God is fully vindicated of the false Satanic accusations through His loving salvation and Christ's perfect life.

13. Those in the white robes (the 144,000) are to be clearly identified.

14. The 144,000 came out of great tribulation. (Php 1:29, 2Ti 3:12)

The 144,000 are clothed with the righteousness of Christ. (1Jn 1:7)

15-17. The 144,000 will live in Heaven. (compare Rev 21:3,4 and Rev 22:5)

Additional insight from Rev 6:

Note that the 144,000 are the ones who will be able to stand in the great day of God's wrath. (Rev 6:17 question followed by Rev 7 answer)

All the dead in Christ will stand at this time. (Lk 21:36, 1Th 4:16)

Note that Daniel is included with those who will stand at this time. (Da 12:13)

The remnant living (“which are alive and remain”) will also stand with Christ at this time. (1Th 4:17)

Those who will stand will do so because of their faith in Jesus. (Ro 11:20)

Additional insight from Rev 14:

The 144,000 have the Father's name written in their foreheads. (Rev 14:1, Rev 22:3,4)

Name represents character. (see previous list of verses)

The 144,000 are described as having been redeemed from the earth. (Rev 14:3)

The 144,000 are virgins who did not defile themselves with women. (Rev 14:4)

A fornicating woman is symbolic of a false church. (Rev 17:1-6))

In conclusion, 144,000 is a symbolic number referring to God's true church (Spiritual Israel).

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In your comment to “THE TRUTH ABOUT THE RAPTURE” COULD YOU EXPLAIN REVELATION 7.THE 144000. AND PHILIP;3-14,15.??

Phillipians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of G-d in Christ Jesus.
Phillipians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, G-d shall reveal even this unto you.

What is your question of these two verses? They seem pretty straight forward, so maybe I am not understanding you on this one. Sorry.

December 4, 2009 at 11:27 am#162062

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Quote (banana @ Dec. 04 2009,00:06)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 04 2009,13:51)

End-Time Events

Pre-Advent Events

The book of Daniel is opened (understood). (Da 12:9 compare Rev 10:1,2,9-11)

The investigative judgment of the righteous begins. (Rev 14:7)

For (in favor of) the righteous (Da 7:22, 1Pe 4:17)

Against Satan and his wicked confederation (compare Day of Atonement Lev 16:20-22)

For the benefit of the angels (unfallen beings) (compare 1Pe 1:10-12)

The eternal gospel is preached to all nations. (Mt 24:14, Rev 14:6)

There is a falling away (apostasy) in the church. (2Th 2:2,3, 1Ti 4:1, 2Ti 4:3,4)

Godlessness abounds. (2Ti 3:1-5)

Defiant sin abounds. (Ro 1:20-32, Rev 9:20,21)

Warning messages are heralded to all nations by God's remnant. (2Th 2:1-3,7-9, Rev 14:8-12 compare (Rev 12:17), Rev 18:1-5)

Modern Babylon assumes world-wide power.

Signs and wonders sway the masses. (Rev 13:11-14, Rev 16:13-16, Rev 19:20)

The masses worship the image of the beast. (Rev 13:3,4, Rev 13:11,12)

God's remnant is persecuted under the mark of the beast. (Rev 13:15-17)

Close of probation (Rev 22:11,12)

Seven last plagues (Rev 15:1, Rev 16:1,2,9-11,17-21)

Note: Rev 16:2 occurs after the mark of the beast. (compare Rev 14:9,10)

Second Advent of Jesus Christ

Jesus comes with His angels (Mt 24:30,31, Mt 25:31,32, Rev 19:11-16)

The executive judgment of the righteous occurs.

Righteous dead raised first (Da 12:1,2, 1Th 4:16)

The first resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:6)

The resurrection of life (Jn 5:28,29)

Righteous (raised and living) meet Jesus in the air (1Th 4:16-18, Rev 14:14-16)

Righteous are transformed into their glorified immortal bodies (Isa 35:4-6, 1Co 15:42-44,51-54, Php 3:20,21)

The leaders/agents of the beast and false prophet systems are destroyed as they gather to make war against Jesus (2Th 2:8,9, Rev 19:19,20)

They make war against Jesus by attempting to destroy His people. (Dt 3:22, Ps 35:1-3, Rev 13:15, Rev 17:12-14)

The rest of the wicked living are also destroyed. (Jer 25:33,37,38, Mt 13:40-43, Lk 17:29,30, 2Th 1:7-10, Rev 14:17-20, Rev 19:17,18,21)

Wicked dead remain dead (Rev 20:5)

The Millennium

The righteous are taken to heaven for 1,000 years. (Jn 14:1-3, Rev 20:6)

Satan and his demons are bound on a desolate earth by chains of circumstance. (Isa 14:12-20, Isa 24:3, Jer 4:23-26, Rev 20:1-3,5)

The investigative judgment of the wicked begins.

Against the wicked (people, Satan, and fallen angels) (1Co 6:2,3, 1Pe 4:17,18)

For the benefit of the righteous (Rev 20:4-6)

Third Advent of Jesus Christ

Jesus returns with the righteous to the Mount of Olives. (Zec 14:3-9)

This location was foretold. (Lk 24:50,51 (Bethany is on a slope of the Mount of Olives), Ac 1:10,11)

New Jerusalem descends to earth. (Rev 21:2,3,10)

Wicked dead are raised

The second resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:5)

The resurrection of condemnation (Jn 5:28,29)

Satan is loosed (from chains of circumstance) and deceives the wicked into attacking the holy city. (Rev 20:7-9)

Note: The fate of Satan and the wicked in Rev 20:9,10 is parenthetical and occurs at the end of the great white throne judgment.

The executive judgment of the wicked (great white throne judgment) occurs. (Rev 20:11-15)

Against the wicked (Rev 20:5,12)

Note: The book of life contains only the righteous (the fruit of the first resurrection). (Rev 20:6)

For the benefit of the wicked (Jude 1:14,15)

Jesus' glory is reviewed in panoramic majesty (His perfect life and perfect death) (Isa 40:5)

The wicked behold the enormity of their personal and corporate guilt.

Every knee shall bow (God is vindicated before the entire universe). (Isa 45:22,23, Ro 14:11, Php 2:10,11)

Wicked are destroyed by fire (the second death) (Mal 4:1-3, Mt 25:41, Rev 11:18, Rev 20:9,15, Rev 21:7,8, Rev 22:14,15)

Note on Rev 22:14,15: The wicked are outside of the city and dead (compare Ro 6:23)

Satan and his angels are also destroyed by this fire. (Jer 51:25, Eze 28:17-19, Mt 25:41, Rev 20:10)

The new earth (heaven) is created. (Isa 65:17, 2Pe 3:10-13, Rev 21:1-5, Rev 21:9-27, Rev 22:1-5, Isa 11:9)

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Who are the ten horns in Dan. 7:7?

10 horns represent the 10 divisions of the Roman empire into Europe. (compare Da 2:41)

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Who is the little horn in Dan. 7:8?

The sea beast of Revelation 13 is the little horn of Daniel 7 in its fully developed form.

The little horn arises among the 10 horns and continues to expand its powers and falsehoods until it possesses world-wide worship and control. (Da 7:8,20,25, Rev 13:3,4,8, Rev 17:1,15)

The little horn coming up among the 10 horns means it arose in western Europe after Rome was divided. (Da 7:8)

The little horn uprooting 3 of the 10 horns means it eliminated 3 of the original divisions of Rome. (Da 7:8,20,24)

The little horn having the eyes of a man means it has a man at its head. (Da 7:8,20)

The little horn having a mouth speaking great things against G-d means it speaks blasphemy and spreads world-wide false doctrines. (Da 7:8,11,20,25, Rev 13:5,6)

The little horn wages war against the saints and overpowers them. (Da 7:21,25, Rev 13:7)

The little horn being different from the other horns means that it is not just a secular power, but is a combination of church and state, and receives worship. (Da 7:23,24, Rev 13:4,8)

The little horn tries to change the times and laws set by G-d. (Da 7:25, Rev 14:11,12)

The little horn persecutes G-d's people for 1260 years.

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What is prophesied in Dan. 9:24?

Seventy weeks (sevens) (70 x 7 = 490 prophetic days = 490 years)

“determined” [Heb. chathak (khaw-thak' )] – “to cut off” (Strong's Dictionary) (cut off from 2300 years)

For Daniel's people (Jews) and holy city (Jerusalem)
Accomplishments during 70 weeks

For Jews to finish transgression (last chance as God's chosen light-bearers) (Lk 12:48)

Yeshua said that forgiveness should be extended 70 x 7 = 490 times! (Mt 18:21,22)

Put an end to sin (Yeshua) (Heb 9:24-28)

Atone for wickedness (Yeshua)

Bring in everlasting righteousness (Yeshua) (Heb 10:9,14)

Seal up vision and prophecy (prophecies of Yeshua give confidence to full 2300 years prophecy)

Anoint the most holy (a most holy place (RSV), heavenly sanctuary) – Sanctuary anointed before high priest begins ministering there (Ex 40:9-13, Heb 4:14-16, Heb 9:11,12,24)

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Explain to me Dan. 9:27

“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

Messiah confirms the covenant with many for seven years (27-34 AD) (compare Ro 15:8)

In the middle of this seven, He causes the sacrifice and offering to cease

In the middle (3 1/2 years) – 31 AD (Passover, spring)

Crucifixion put an end to sacrificial system (Mt 27:50,51, Col 2:14)

The covenant with many is the new covenant of grace through the blood of Yeshua. (Mt 26:28)

The covenant is initially extended especially to the Jews. (Mt 10:5,6)

The covenant is still extended to the Jewish nation after they crucify Yeshua. (Ac 1:8, Ac 2:14,36-41)

The covenant with Israel as a nation ends in 34 AD when the Jewish leaders vehemently reject the gospel and stone Stephen (Mt 21:38,39,43, Ac 7:51 – Ac 8:3, Ac 22:17-21)

At this point, the gospel is taken to the Gentiles. (Ac 8:4,5, Ac 10:44-48, Ac 13:46, Ac 22:21, 1Pe 2:9,10)

Individual Jews may still receive salvation. (Gal 3:26-29)

For the overspreading of abominations (Jews rejection of Yeshua, pagan Rome, and Roman Church)

He (Messiah) shall make it (allow it to become) desolate.

Withdrawal of G-d's presence from the Jewish temple (Mt 23:37-39)

Destruction of Jewish temple by Romans in 70 AD

Obscurring the intercessory minstry of Yeshua in the heavenly temple by Roman Church

Until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (final judgment upon those responsible)

The event that corresponds to the cleansing of the sanctuary is the Day of Atonement.

The Day of Atonement was the solemn day of judgment and cleansing.

The sanctuary to be cleansed is the heavenly sanctuary. (Heb 9:22,23)

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End-Time Events

Pre-Advent Events

The book of Daniel is opened (understood). (Da 12:9 compare Rev 10:1,2,9-11)

The investigative judgment of the righteous begins. (Rev 14:7)

For (in favor of) the righteous (Da 7:22, 1Pe 4:17)

Against Satan and his wicked confederation (compare Day of Atonement Lev 16:20-22)

For the benefit of the angels (unfallen beings) (compare 1Pe 1:10-12)

The eternal gospel is preached to all nations. (Mt 24:14, Rev 14:6)

There is a falling away (apostasy) in the church. (2Th 2:2,3, 1Ti 4:1, 2Ti 4:3,4)

Godlessness abounds. (2Ti 3:1-5)

Defiant sin abounds. (Ro 1:20-32, Rev 9:20,21)

Warning messages are heralded to all nations by God's remnant. (2Th 2:1-3,7-9, Rev 14:8-12 compare (Rev 12:17), Rev 18:1-5)

Modern Babylon assumes world-wide power.

Signs and wonders sway the masses. (Rev 13:11-14, Rev 16:13-16, Rev 19:20)

The masses worship the image of the beast. (Rev 13:3,4, Rev 13:11,12)

God's remnant is persecuted under the mark of the beast. (Rev 13:15-17)

Close of probation (Rev 22:11,12)

Seven last plagues (Rev 15:1, Rev 16:1,2,9-11,17-21)

Note: Rev 16:2 occurs after the mark of the beast. (compare Rev 14:9,10)

Second Advent of Jesus Christ

Jesus comes with His angels (Mt 24:30,31, Mt 25:31,32, Rev 19:11-16)

The executive judgment of the righteous occurs.

Righteous dead raised first (Da 12:1,2, 1Th 4:16)

The first resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:6)

The resurrection of life (Jn 5:28,29)

Righteous (raised and living) meet Jesus in the air (1Th 4:16-18, Rev 14:14-16)

Righteous are transformed into their glorified immortal bodies (Isa 35:4-6, 1Co 15:42-44,51-54, Php 3:20,21)

The leaders/agents of the beast and false prophet systems are destroyed as they gather to make war against Jesus (2Th 2:8,9, Rev 19:19,20)

They make war against Jesus by attempting to destroy His people. (Dt 3:22, Ps 35:1-3, Rev 13:15, Rev 17:12-14)

The rest of the wicked living are also destroyed. (Jer 25:33,37,38, Mt 13:40-43, Lk 17:29,30, 2Th 1:7-10, Rev 14:17-20, Rev 19:17,18,21)

Wicked dead remain dead (Rev 20:5)

The Millennium

The righteous are taken to heaven for 1,000 years. (Jn 14:1-3, Rev 20:6)

Satan and his demons are bound on a desolate earth by chains of circumstance. (Isa 14:12-20, Isa 24:3, Jer 4:23-26, Rev 20:1-3,5)

The investigative judgment of the wicked begins.

Against the wicked (people, Satan, and fallen angels) (1Co 6:2,3, 1Pe 4:17,18)

For the benefit of the righteous (Rev 20:4-6)

Third Advent of Jesus Christ

Jesus returns with the righteous to the Mount of Olives. (Zec 14:3-9)

This location was foretold. (Lk 24:50,51 (Bethany is on a slope of the Mount of Olives), Ac 1:10,11)

New Jerusalem descends to earth. (Rev 21:2,3,10)

Wicked dead are raised

The second resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:5)

The resurrection of condemnation (Jn 5:28,29)

Satan is loosed (from chains of circumstance) and deceives the wicked into attacking the holy city. (Rev 20:7-9)

Note: The fate of Satan and the wicked in Rev 20:9,10 is parenthetical and occurs at the end of the great white throne judgment.

The executive judgment of the wicked (great white throne judgment) occurs. (Rev 20:11-15)

Against the wicked (Rev 20:5,12)

Note: The book of life contains only the righteous (the fruit of the first resurrection). (Rev 20:6)

For the benefit of the wicked (Jude 1:14,15)

Jesus' glory is reviewed in panoramic majesty (His perfect life and perfect death) (Isa 40:5)

The wicked behold the enormity of their personal and corporate guilt.

Every knee shall bow (God is vindicated before the entire universe). (Isa 45:22,23, Ro 14:11, Php 2:10,11)

Wicked are destroyed by fire (the second death) (Mal 4:1-3, Mt 25:41, Rev 11:18, Rev 20:9,15, Rev 21:7,8, Rev 22:14,15)

Note on Rev 22:14,15: The wicked are outside of the city and dead (compare Ro 6:23)

Satan and his angels are also destroyed by this fire. (Jer 51:25, Eze 28:17-19, Mt 25:41, Rev 20:10)

The new earth (heaven) is created. (Isa 65:17, 2Pe 3:10-13, Rev 21:1-5, Rev 21:9-27, Rev 22:1-5, Isa 11:9)

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Who, or what are the feet and ten toes in Dan. 2:41-43?

Head of gold (Babylon, 606-538 BC, Nebuchadnezzar) (Da 2:38)

Chest and arms of silver (Medo-Persia, 538-331 BC, Cyrus) (Da 5:28,31, Jer 51:11)

Belly and thighs of bronze (Greece, 331-168 BC, Alexander the Great) (Da 8:20,21)

Legs of iron (Rome, 168 BC – 476 AD, the Caesars)

Rome “bruised” the Messiah. (Da 2:40) (compare Ge 3:15 and Jn 19:10-16)

Feet and toes mixed with iron and clay (Europe, 10 barbarian tribe divisions of Rome) (Da 2:41,42, Da 7:19,20,23,24)

Alemanni (Switzerland)

Anglo-Saxons (England)

Burgundians (Burgundy, a region of France)

Franks (France)

Heruli (subsequently destroyed)

Lombards (Italy)

Ostrogoths (subsequently destroyed)

Suevi (Portugal)

Vandals (subsequently destroyed)

Visigoths (subsequently extinct)

The 10 divisions are to remain divided. (Da 2:41,42)

History has proven they could not be united by force (e.g., Charlemagne, Napoleon, and Hitler).

History has proven they could not be united through intermarriage of royalty. (Da 2:43)

December 4, 2009 at 11:42 am#162065

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Like I said, you put up a lot of scriptures, and I doubt they are yours, but you have no clue what they really mean. That is unfortunate, because it looks so impressive.
Show me that you understand something by telling me;
Who, or what are the feet and ten toes in Dan. 2:41-43?
Who are the ten horns in Dan. 7:7?
Who is the little horn in Dan. 7:8?
What is prophesied in Dan. 9:24?
Explain to me Dan. 9:27.

Georg

More sarcasm, you just do not know how to be a nice person, and you claim christianity as your badge of honor.

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:23

And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 2 Peter 1:6

Have a nice day.

December 4, 2009 at 4:13 pm#162077

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hi ron
the quote of Philip;3-14,15.talks abode two asperation ,one heavenly and the other not so,just like i mention Mat;5;8 and 10,shows Christ saying the meek will recieve the earth,it seems that this is left out of the explanation,
and also the 144000 are different than the great crowd,it look s like you mention them to be one single unit or the samething.
question-is this your version of events??? :cool:

December 4, 2009 at 5:31 pm#162098

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Hi CON,
When Jesus returns he meets with his resurrected brothers in the air-which is of earth only.
There is no mention of his returning to heaven with them.

December 4, 2009 at 5:33 pm#162099

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Hi CON,
Indeed Jesus did say he would prepare a place for us.
When we die Hades cannot hold those who have the keys and are of Christ.

December 4, 2009 at 5:36 pm#162100

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Hi CON,
From your source quoted:
Satan is chained in the Abyss, not on a desolate earth.

December 4, 2009 at 8:23 pm#162136

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Georg

More sarcasm, you just do not know how to be a nice person, and you claim christianity as your badge of honor.

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:23

And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 2 Peter 1:6

Have a nice day.

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Well, at least this time you tried, although not very effective.
Giving a lot of scriptures have no meaning, unless you tell us how you got to the conclusion, which you want us to believe.
Prophecy is God's way of foretelling the future, prophecy is seldom recognized when it is being fulfilled, and only understood when after time you can match up history with prophecy, and, on top of that, it has to make sense too, matching up scripture with scripture doesn't do that.
I still say, you are trying to impress by the amount of scriptures you put up. So, rather then working my way through all what you have said, I will give you my understanding of the questions I ask you.

Who, or what are the feet and ten toes in Dan. 2:41-43?

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

“The beast that was”, was Rome, a world ruling empire; so were the five empires before it. “And was not”, after the western part of Rome collapsed in 565 AD, there was no world ruling empire, one world government.
In 1918 the seventh head/beast came on the scene in the form of The “League of Nation”. It was prophesied that this beast would not last long, verse 10, and it did not, it lasted till 1946. By then the eighth beast had been formed the “United Nation”, it had changed in name only, that is why the bible says, the eighth is of the seven.
The ten horns are all the kings/nation that make up the United Nation, verses 12 and 13.
Ten is not a number of ten individuals, it is the number of completion, or all included.
The “United Nation” are the ten toes, and the United states of America are about to become one of them, one world government.

Who are the ten horns in Dan. 7:7?

Dan. 7:7 shows the Roman beast, horn stands for king or ruler, the ten horns are all the kings that would rule during the entire Roman period.

Who is the little horn in Dan. 7:8?

This little horn represents the Antichrist, you already quoted scriptures what he would do, make war with the saints, speak blasphemies against God, rule for 1260 days/years, a day for a year.
Little means , he had a small beginning. The fact that he came up on the Roman head shows he had his beginning during the Roman empire.
Since you mentioned the three horns/kings that were uprooted, let me explain.

The first horn/king were the Vandals, who in 439 AD captured Carthage, North Africa, a piece of Rome.

The second horn/king were the Heruli, which, instead of protecting Rome, made it their own kingdom in 476 AD by deposing the Roman emperor Romulus Augustulus, which by the way is the deadly wound.

The third horn/king were the Ostrogoth, who were hired by the eastern emperor Zeno to do battle with the Heruli. In 493 AD the Ostrogoth defeated the Heruli, this defeat of the Heruli was the uprooting of the first horn/king. However, instead of turning Rome over to the empire, the Ostrogoth made it their kingdom.
527 AD, Justinian became emperor. His ambition was to regain lost territory. In 533 AD he sent his troops under general Belisarius to do battle with the Vandals in Carthage, North Africa. Belisarius defeated the Vandals, uprooting the second horn/king. Justinian than sent Belisarius to Rome to do battle with the Ostrogoth, it took him 18 years to defeat the Ostrogoth, but in 553 AD, Rome was part of the empire again. This victory was not only the uprooting of the third horn/king, it also marked the healing of the deadly wound.

What is prophesied in Dan. 9:24?

It is the prophecy when God would poor out his Holy Spirit on the Gentiles also.
Have you ever wondered why Jesus said this to the apostles?

Mat 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Jews were given first chance to receive the Holy Spirit by faith. After the 70 weeks were up, Peter experienced this.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus had told them.

Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Explain to me Dan. 9:27.

You came close with your explanation. This is the scripture ministers use to prove the rapture, and Antichrist, the fact is, it is the seventieth week, the week Jesus began his ministry. As you said, he confirmed the new covenant for one week with many, all over Judea. In the middle of the week, after three and a half years, he was cut off, crucified. His death caused the old covenant/sacrifices to cease.
The overspreading of the abomination is the the Roman Catholic church's mass sacrifice, it is being celebrated all over the world, it made Christ's sacrifice desolate, it destroyed the true meaning of his sacrifice.

Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

No more sacrifices are needed.

Georg

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Hi CON,
When Jesus returns he meets with his resurrected brothers in the air-which is of earth only.
There is no mention of his returning to heaven with them.

Why would they meet him in the air if they were to stay on the earth? If they were to resurrect why wouldn't they stay on the ground?

C'mon think about it.

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Hi CON,
Indeed Jesus did say he would prepare a place for us.
When we die Hades cannot hold those who have the keys and are of Christ.

Hades is a greek mytholigical god of the underworld, it does not exist, unless you are referring to the realm of the dead, ie the grave.

December 4, 2009 at 11:45 pm#162179

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hi Ron
i still whaithing for my answers

December 5, 2009 at 12:55 am#162189

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2009,09:36)

Hi CON,
From your source quoted:
Satan is chained in the Abyss, not on a desolate earth.

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit [abyssos], and go into perdition [apollymi]: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Revelation 17:8

Literal Pit? Literal Chain? Or a Metaphor?

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From apollymi:1) to destroy, a) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin, b) render useless, c) to kill, d) to declare that one must be put to death, e) metaph. to devote or give over, f) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed, 2) to destroy, a) to lose.
From olethros: 1) ruin, destroy, death, a) for the destruction of the flesh, said of the external ills and troubles by which the lusts of the flesh are subdued and destroyed.
From a primary ollumi: (to destroy, a prolonged form)

A-1, Verb Strong's Number: g622, Greek: apollumi: Destroy, Destroyer, Destruction, Destructive:

A strengthened form of ollumi, signifies “to destroy utterly;” in Middle Voice, “to perish.” The idea is not extinction but ruin, loss, not of being, but of well-being. This is clear from its use, as, e.g., of the marring of wine skins, Luk 5:37; of lost sheep, i.e., lost to the shepherd, metaphorical of spiritual destitution, Luk 15:4, 6, etc.; the lost son, Luk 15:24; of the perishing of food, Jhn 6:27; of gold, 1Pe 1:7. So of persons, Mat 2:13, “destroy;” Mat 8:25, “perish;” Mat 22:7; 27:20; of the loss of well-being in the case of the unsaved hereafter, Mat 10:28; Luk 13:3, 5; Jhn 3:16 (ver. 15 in some mss.); 10:28; 17:12; Rom 2:12; 1Cr 15:18; 2Cr 2:15, “are perishing;” 2Cr 4:3; 2Th 2:10; Jam 4:12; 2Pe 3:9. Cp. B, II, No. 1. DIE, LOSE, MARRED, PERISH.

1 Strong's Number: g622, Greek: apollumi; Lose, (Suffer) Loss, Lost:

signifies (I) In the Active Voice, (a) “to destroy, destroy utterly, kill,” e.g., Mat 10:28; Mar 1:24; 9:22; (b) “to lose utterly,” e.g., Mat 10:42, of “losing” a reward; Luk 15:4 (1st part), of “losing” a sheep; Luk 9:25, of “losing” oneself (of the “loss” of well-being hereafter); metaphorically, Jhn 6:39, of failing to save; Jhn 18:9, of Christ's not “losing” His own;

(II) in the Middle Voice, (a) “to perish,” of things, e.g., Jhn 6:12 “(that nothing) be lost;” of persons, e.g., Mat 8:25, “we perish;” of the “loss” of eternal life, usually (always in the RV) translated to perish, Jhn 3:16; 17:12, AV, “is lost,” RV, “perished;” 2Cr 4:3, “are perishing,” AV, “are lost” (see PERISH); (b) “to be lost,” e.g., Luk 15:4 (2nd part), “which is lost;” metaphorically, from the relation between shepherd and flock, of spiritual destitution and alienation from God, Mat 10:6, “(the) lost (sheep)” of the house of Israel; Luk 19:10 (the perfect tense translated “lost” is here intransitive).

1 Strong's Number: g622, Greek: apollumi: Perish:

“to destroy,” signifies, in the Middle Voice, “to perish,” and is thus used, (a) of things, e.g., Mat 5:29, 30; Luk 5:37; Act 27:34, RV, “perish” (in some texts pipto, “to fall,” as AV); Hbr 1:11; 2Pe 3:6; Rev 18:14 (2nd part), RV, “perished” (in some texts aperchomai, “to depart,” as AV); (b) of persons, e.g., Mat 8:25; Jhn 3:15, 16; 10:28; 17:12, RV, “perished” (AV, “is lost”); Rom 2:12; 1Cr 1:18, lit., “the perishing,” where the perfective force of the verb implies the completion of the process of destruction (Moulton, Proleg., p. 114); 1Cr 8:11; 15:18; 2Pe 3:9; Jud 1:11. For the meaning of the word see DESTROY, No. 1.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit [abyssos] and a great chain in his hand. Revelation 20:1

Literal Pit? Literal Chain? Or a Metaphor?

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound [deō] him a thousand years, Revelation 20:2

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Bound: Greek, [deō]: 1) to bind tie, fasten, a) to bind, fasten with chains, to throw into chains, b) metaph. 1) Satan is said to bind a woman bent together by means of a demon, as his messenger, taking possession of the woman and preventing her from standing upright, 2) to bind, put under obligation, of the law, duty etc. a) to be bound to one, a wife, a husband, 3) to forbid, prohibit, declare to be illicit.

1, Strong's Number: g1210, Greek: deo; Bind, Binding (See Also Bound):

“to bind,” is used
(a) literally, of any sort of “binding,” e.g., Act 22:5; 24:27,

(b) figuratively, of the Word of God, as not being “bound,” 2Ti 2:9, i.e., its ministry, course and efficacy were not hindered by the bonds and imprisonment suffered by the Apostle. A woman who was bent together, had been “bound” by Satan through the work of a demon, Luk 13:16. Paul speaks of himself, in Act 20:22, as being “bound in the spirit,” i.e., compelled by his convictions, under the constraining power of the Spirit of God, to go to Jerusalem. A wife is said to be “bound” to her husband, Rom 7:2; 1Cr 7:39; and the husband to the wife, 1Cr 7:27. The Lord's words to the Apostle Peter in Mat 16:19, as to “binding,” and to all the disciples in Mat 18:18, signify, in the former case, that the Apostle, by his ministry of the Word of Life, would keep unbelievers outside the kingdom of God, and admit those who believed. So with regard to Mat 18:18, including the exercise of disciplinary measures in the sphere of the local church; the application of the Rabbinical sense of forbidding is questionable. See BOND, KNIT, Note, TIE.

1, Strong's Number: g1210 Greek: deo: Tie: “to bind,” is rendered “to tie” in Mat 21:2; Mar 11:2, 4; Luk 19:30. See BIND.

1 Strong's Number: g1210. Greek: deo: Wind (Verb):

“to bind,” is translated “wound (it in linen clothes),” Jhn 19:40, AV, of the body of Christ (RV, “bound”). See BIND, No. 1, TIE.

And cast him into the bottomless pit [abyssos], and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Revelation 20:3

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The Bottomless Pit: Greek: abyssos: 1) bottomless, a) deep, 2) unbounded, 3) the abyss, a) the pit, b) the immeasurable depth.
From bythos: 1) the bottom or depth of the sea, 2) the sea itself, the deep sea.
From bathos: 1) depth, height, a) of “the deep” sea, b) metaph, 1) deep, extreme, poverty, 2) of the deep things of 'elohim.
From bathys: 1) deep.
From basis: 1) a stepping, walking, 2) that with which one steps, the foot.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison [phylakē], Revelation 20:7

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His Prison: Greek: phylakē: 1) guard, watch, a) a watching, keeping watch, 1) to keep watch, b) persons keeping watch, a guard, sentinels, c) of the place where captives are kept, a prison, d) of the time (of night) during which guard was kept, a watch i.e. a period of time during which part of the guard was on duty, and at the end of which others relieved them. As the earlier Greeks divided the night commonly into three parts, so, previous to the exile, the Israelites also had three watches in a night; subsequently, however, after they became subject to the Romans, they adopted the Roman custom of dividing the night into four watches.
From phylassō: 1) to guard, a) to watch, keep watch, b) to guard or watch, have an eye upon: lest he escape, c) to guard a person (or thing) that he may remain safe, 1) lest he suffer violence, be despoiled, etc. to protect, 2) to protect one from a person or thing, 3) to keep from being snatched away, preserve safe and unimpaired, 4) to guard from being lost or perishing, 5) to guard one's self from a thing, d) to guard i.e. care for, take care not to violate, 1) to observe, 2) to observe for one's self something to escape, a) to avoid, shun flee from, b) to guard for one's self (i.e. for one's safety's sake) so as not to violate, i.e. to keep, observe (the precepts of the Mosaic law).

A-1 Noun Strong's Number: g3907, Greek: parateresis
Observation, Observe: “attentive watching” (akin to paratereo, “to observe”), is used in Luk 17:20, of the manner in which the kingdom of God (i.e., the operation of the spiritual kingdom in the hearts of men) does not come, “in such a manner that it can be watched with the eyes” (Grimm-Thayer), or, as AV marg., “with outward show.”

B-1 Verb Strong's Number: g333, Greek: anatheoreo
Observation, Observe: “to observe carefully, consider well” (ana, “up,” intensive, and theoreo, “to behold”), is used in Act 17:23, RV, “observed” (of Paul's notice of the objects of Athenian worship), and Hbr 13:7, “considering.” See BEHOLD.

B-2 Verb Strong's Number: g5083, Greek: tereo
Observation, Observe: See KEEP, No. 1.
B-3 Verb Strong's Number: g4933 Greek: suntereo
Observation, Observe: See KEEP, No. 3.

B-4 Verb Strong's Number: g3906, Greek: paratereo
Observation, Observe: “to watch closely, observe narrowly” (para, used intensively, and No. 2), is translated “ye observe” in Gal 4:10, where the Middle Voice suggests that their religious observance of days, etc. was not from disinterested motives, but with a view to their own advantage.
See WATCH. Cp. phroneo (“to think”), “regardeth” in Rom 14:6, where the subject is connected with the above, though the motive differs.

B-5 Verb Strong's Number: g5442, Greek: phulasso
Observation, Observe: See KEEP, No. 4.

B-6 Verb Strong's Number: g4160, Greek: poieo
Observation, Observe: “to do,” is translated “to observe” in Act 16:21. See DO.

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December 5, 2009 at 1:02 am#162192

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hi ron
you did not answer the question ,
and i am sure we all know what abiss means this was not the question,try ogain

December 5, 2009 at 1:03 am#162193