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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 03 2009,15:06) hi all
first to Ron ,you said you have scriptures to prove you understanding,if so as a christian you should give glory to God not to you.
now to georg ,if i read your comment to Ron not to share the scriptures so that we me understand what “God has made him understand”because you would do the same,IS THIS THE WAY OF THRUE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST??, NO THIS ADVICE WOULD COME FROM THE DEVIL,HE DOES NOT GLORIFIED GOD BUT HIMSELFS
terrariccaYou misunderstood my sarcasm.
Georg
Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 03 2009,15:17) Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,07:13) Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 02 2009,23:54) Georg,
I do not believe that people are given a second chance, but there will be those surprised by their admittance (sheep/goats), yet there are also those surprised by their entrance being barred, “Lord didn't we”I believe God will resurrect the dead, starting first with believers who will stand before the Judgment seat of Christ, where all believers (OT & NT whose faith was in God) answer for the things done in this body, they then enjoy the wedding feast, after which they take part in the millennium which I believe to be a time to show all creation what life on earth would have been like had Adam not fallen, once the 1000 years are complete every remaining soul, those who remained alive (not those already resurrected) and those dead having not made the first resurrection (but now resurrected) at which time God will balance the books (so to speak). At the great white throne judgment God will separate those found worthy by His law of love (sheep) for entrance into the kingdom from those to be punished (goats). Now all of creation will is purged and the Father becomes all in all.
My opinion – Wm
Seeking.I realize that your idea is shared by many, but I like to think in terms of what the scriptures say.
John 3:15, That whosoever believes in him (Jesus) should not perish. How can this promise be true if not all be given the opportunity to believe in him, and how can they believe in whom they have not heard?
Would you consider some one that has never heard of Jesus be given a “second” chance?Georg
I have based this solely on what I believe to be my best interpretation of the whole of scripture. Like you I have spent much of my life studying scripture and trying to understand what it says on it's own merits and not what others have told me it means. When Jesus told us of the sheep and the goats those who made it into the kingdom did so not on works attempting to deserve eternal life but out of love. But it was their works that gained them entry and of course the lack of works which caused the goats to come under judgment.Not once is their faith mentioned, or there obedience to the law. Do you believe that God made no allowances for those who never heard of Jesus. Just to be clear I believe that it is only through Jesus that any person past, present, or future can obtain eternal life, Jesus died for all mankind. Abraham's faith could only make the sacrifices of his day cover his sins until Jesus took them away. And those who stand with the sheep, their acts of love (Love fulfills the Law) I believe God will count them as righteousness through the blood of Jesus (although they never heard his name).
I believe that there is an advantage to the gospel, ruling with Christ during the millennium not the least.
If you disagree give me scriptures, I'll check it out, just don't tell me I'm wrong and offer only unsupported opinions (not saying you do that, it just seems lately that's all I get back).
My opinion – Wm
SeekingI don't see any scriptures in your post, supporting your claim.
So let me be specific.Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
How do all those that never heard of Jesus, get their name into the book of life?
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Before Moses there was not even the law, and than, the law was only for the Israelites.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
So, how will all those who never heard the name Jesus be saved? even Paul ask that question.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
That is my question.
Georg
Const.
Don't you feel a bit foolish, putting down all those scriptures?
I think that is what you glory in, unfortunately you have little understanding what they mean.
The once I glanced through, have nothing to do with the millennium, so why bring them up?
You are right in one thing, there is no rapture.
Mat.24:27, most weather patterns come from the west, and lightening, at the most, will shine a few miles. The sun on the other hand, not only comes from the east, it shines all the way to the west. That is what Jesus compares himself too, because he too shines as the sun, Rev.1:16.
The Light is life and truth, John 1:4,5,9.
As in the days of Noah describe the attitude of people before the second coming, no one will pay attention to what is going on, has nothing to do with the wicked being taken away first.
Ever wonder why only eight people were saved?
Look at this scripture, and tell me what you think it means?Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
As for the rest of the scriptures you put up, I wont even go into them, because, few, if any, have anything to do with the subject.
Georg
Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,03:01) Const. Don't you feel a bit foolish, putting down all those scriptures?
I think that is what you glory in, unfortunately you have little understanding what they mean.
The once I glanced through, have nothing to do with the millennium, so why bring them up?
You are right in one thing, there is no rapture.
Mat.24:27, most weather patterns come from the west, and lightening, at the most, will shine a few miles. The sun on the other hand, not only comes from the east, it shines all the way to the west. That is what Jesus compares himself too, because he too shines as the sun, Rev.1:16.
The Light is life and truth, John 1:4,5,9.
As in the days of Noah describe the attitude of people before the second coming, no one will pay attention to what is going on, has nothing to do with the wicked being taken away first.
Ever wonder why only eight people were saved?
Look at this scripture, and tell me what you think it means?Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
As for the rest of the scriptures you put up, I wont even go into them, because, few, if any, have anything to do with the subject.
Georg
Rapture, millinnium, judgement are all in one, to understand one is to understand the rest.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 03 2009,22:42) Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,03:01) Const. Don't you feel a bit foolish, putting down all those scriptures?
I think that is what you glory in, unfortunately you have little understanding what they mean.
The once I glanced through, have nothing to do with the millennium, so why bring them up?
You are right in one thing, there is no rapture.
Mat.24:27, most weather patterns come from the west, and lightening, at the most, will shine a few miles. The sun on the other hand, not only comes from the east, it shines all the way to the west. That is what Jesus compares himself too, because he too shines as the sun, Rev.1:16.
The Light is life and truth, John 1:4,5,9.
As in the days of Noah describe the attitude of people before the second coming, no one will pay attention to what is going on, has nothing to do with the wicked being taken away first.
Ever wonder why only eight people were saved?
Look at this scripture, and tell me what you think it means?Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
As for the rest of the scriptures you put up, I wont even go into them, because, few, if any, have anything to do with the subject.
Georg
Rapture, millinnium, judgement are all in one, to understand one is to understand the rest.
ConstWell, now you have enlightened me.
Georg
Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,02:14) Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 03 2009,15:17) Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,07:13) Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 02 2009,23:54) Georg,
I do not believe that people are given a second chance, but there will be those surprised by their admittance (sheep/goats), yet there are also those surprised by their entrance being barred, “Lord didn't we”I believe God will resurrect the dead, starting first with believers who will stand before the Judgment seat of Christ, where all believers (OT & NT whose faith was in God) answer for the things done in this body, they then enjoy the wedding feast, after which they take part in the millennium which I believe to be a time to show all creation what life on earth would have been like had Adam not fallen, once the 1000 years are complete every remaining soul, those who remained alive (not those already resurrected) and those dead having not made the first resurrection (but now resurrected) at which time God will balance the books (so to speak). At the great white throne judgment God will separate those found worthy by His law of love (sheep) for entrance into the kingdom from those to be punished (goats). Now all of creation will is purged and the Father becomes all in all.
My opinion – Wm
Seeking.I realize that your idea is shared by many, but I like to think in terms of what the scriptures say.
John 3:15, That whosoever believes in him (Jesus) should not perish. How can this promise be true if not all be given the opportunity to believe in him, and how can they believe in whom they have not heard?
Would you consider some one that has never heard of Jesus be given a “second” chance?Georg
I have based this solely on what I believe to be my best interpretation of the whole of scripture. Like you I have spent much of my life studying scripture and trying to understand what it says on it's own merits and not what others have told me it means. When Jesus told us of the sheep and the goats those who made it into the kingdom did so not on works attempting to deserve eternal life but out of love. But it was their works that gained them entry and of course the lack of works which caused the goats to come under judgment.Not once is their faith mentioned, or there obedience to the law. Do you believe that God made no allowances for those who never heard of Jesus. Just to be clear I believe that it is only through Jesus that any person past, present, or future can obtain eternal life, Jesus died for all mankind. Abraham's faith could only make the sacrifices of his day cover his sins until Jesus took them away. And those who stand with the sheep, their acts of love (Love fulfills the Law) I believe God will count them as righteousness through the blood of Jesus (although they never heard his name).
I believe that there is an advantage to the gospel, ruling with Christ during the millennium not the least.
If you disagree give me scriptures, I'll check it out, just don't tell me I'm wrong and offer only unsupported opinions (not saying you do that, it just seems lately that's all I get back).
My opinion – Wm
SeekingI don't see any scriptures in your post, supporting your claim.
So let me be specific.Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
How do all those that never heard of Jesus, get their name into the book of life?
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Before Moses there was not even the law, and than, the law was only for the Israelites.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
So, how will all those who never heard the name Jesus be saved? even Paul ask that question.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
That is my question.
Georg
The law existed before Moses.The Law Existed Before Sinai
The law existed in heaven and was first challenged and broken by Lucifer. (Ps 103:20, Eze 28:13-17 compare 1Jn 3:8)
Some examples of pre-Sinai knowledge of the law (Ge 26:5, Ex 16:28-30)
Every sin committed is a violation of 'elohim's law. (Ro 4:15, 1Jn 3:4)
Some examples of pre-Sinai sin and knowledge of sin (Ge 4:7, Ge 18:20, Ge 39:9)
1. Do not have other gods (Ge 35:2-4)
2. Do not have idols (Ge 35:2-4)
3. Do not misuse the Lord's name (Ge 12:7,8 and Ge 21:33 indicate the reverence held for 'elohim's name)
4. Keep the 7th-day Sabbath holy (Ge 2:1-3, Ex 16:23-30,35)
5. Honor your parents (Ge 9:20-25)
6. Do not kill (Ge 4:5-11)
7. Do not commit adultery (Ge 39:7-9)
8. Do not steal (Ge 44:8,9)
9. Do not give false testimony (Ge 27:8-12)
10. Do not covet (Ge 13:8,9)
Also Noah must have known the cleanliness laws as well, he had to differentiate between clean and unclean animals putting them on the ark, (2) pairs of each unclean, (7) pairs of clean animals he had to board on the ark.
He wasn't Jewish, Nor was he with Moses on Mount Sinai.
Also Cain and Able offered sacrifice, they must of known of atonement. They were not with Moses either, and last I checked they were not Jewish either.
Also the Apostles teach that “SIN” is transgression of the “LAW”, there was alot of sinning going on before moses.
Rest my case.
Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,03:01) Const. Don't you feel a bit foolish, putting down all those scriptures?
I think that is what you glory in, unfortunately you have little understanding what they mean.
The once I glanced through, have nothing to do with the millennium, so why bring them up?
You are right in one thing, there is no rapture.
Mat.24:27, most weather patterns come from the west, and lightening, at the most, will shine a few miles. The sun on the other hand, not only comes from the east, it shines all the way to the west. That is what Jesus compares himself too, because he too shines as the sun, Rev.1:16.
The Light is life and truth, John 1:4,5,9.
As in the days of Noah describe the attitude of people before the second coming, no one will pay attention to what is going on, has nothing to do with the wicked being taken away first.
Ever wonder why only eight people were saved?
Look at this scripture, and tell me what you think it means?Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
As for the rest of the scriptures you put up, I wont even go into them, because, few, if any, have anything to do with the subject.
Georg
Let me see if I have this correct.You think me foolish, and my showing scripture as folly.
And you think I get self gratification in doing so.
When you self admittedly state you have not read what I wrote, that in fact you only glanced over it.
And by your just glancing over it that I lack in understanding of scripture.
If you will notice that I take it through starting from his coming in the clouds (advent) resurrection of the righteous, the taking up of the righteous (rapture), the 1000 years in heaven, and then the return for the judgement of the wicked, the destruction of the old, the creation of the new and the new kingdom on earth. THIS ALL TIES IN WITH THE MILLINNIUM!
But either you don't care because it is folly to you, or foolishness on my part.
And your comparitive notes on weather patterns is humorous but nevertheless is how he is going to return at the start of the millennium.
Why should I explain why eight people were saved in the days of Noe when it is folly to you and foolishness on my part?
It all has to do with the subject. Good day to you.
Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,03:44) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 03 2009,22:42) Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,03:01) Const. Don't you feel a bit foolish, putting down all those scriptures?
I think that is what you glory in, unfortunately you have little understanding what they mean.
The once I glanced through, have nothing to do with the millennium, so why bring them up?
You are right in one thing, there is no rapture.
Mat.24:27, most weather patterns come from the west, and lightening, at the most, will shine a few miles. The sun on the other hand, not only comes from the east, it shines all the way to the west. That is what Jesus compares himself too, because he too shines as the sun, Rev.1:16.
The Light is life and truth, John 1:4,5,9.
As in the days of Noah describe the attitude of people before the second coming, no one will pay attention to what is going on, has nothing to do with the wicked being taken away first.
Ever wonder why only eight people were saved?
Look at this scripture, and tell me what you think it means?Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
As for the rest of the scriptures you put up, I wont even go into them, because, few, if any, have anything to do with the subject.
Georg
Rapture, millinnium, judgement are all in one, to understand one is to understand the rest.
ConstWell, now you have enlightened me.
Georg
More sarcasm?Quote
SeekingI don't see any scriptures in your post, supporting your claim.
So let me be specific.Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
How do all those that never heard of Jesus, get their name into the book of life?
1.Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.
OT righteousness is implied as a criteria for being listed
2.Philippians 4:3
Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Fellow workers are listed in the book but criteria is not mentioned
3.Revelation 3:4Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. 5He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
Here it states that “walking with Jesus” or likewise overcoming and you will not get blotted out not that it is how you get listed.
4.Revelation 13:8
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
the “book” belongs to Jesus, but as it existed before He died for our sins obviously it covered those who had never heard of the name of Jesus
5.Revelation 17:8
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
No criteria given for being in book
6.Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Judged according to what they had done?
7.Revelation 20:15
If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.No criteria given for being in book
8.Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
No criteria given for being in bookQuote
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.Before Moses there was not even the law, and than, the law was only for the Israelites.
I agree, but I assume your not suggesting that prior to Jesus none were written in the book of life.
Quote Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
So, how will all those who never heard the name Jesus be saved? even Paul ask that question.
I agree, and to be clear it is only through Jesus that anyone is saved, but I believe that a lifestyle based on love qualifies you to be entered into the book of lifeQuote Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?That is my question.
Georg
Great scriptures, but they do not exclude being saved without knowing the name just as people in the OT who did not know the name of Jesus.
What do you make of the scriptures in Matthew 25, who are the sheep?
Thanks Georg – Wm
seeking
Hbr 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Act 10:34 ¶ Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
The same rule, if you want to call it that, apply to everyone, and I already listed all the scriptures in question.
Mat. 25 is referring to the millennium, all those that listened to the shepherd will enter into the kingdom, all that did not will be destroyed. God of course new from the beginning who they would be.
Georg
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 03 2009,23:09) Banana, Remind me not to partake in discussions with threads that you start in the future.
ConstWhy not start right here?
The scriptures I glanced over, I commented on.
First you give no scriptures at all, and then you try to drown me with scriptures that have nothing to do with the millennium, I call that a smoke screen.
Why don't you just stay with the topic?Georg
Hi CON,
Good work thanks.
The COMING of Jesus is not necessarily his ARRIVAL.
The weeding of the field may be during the great tribulation before Jesus arrives on earth to rule.End-Time Events
Pre-Advent Events
The book of Daniel is opened (understood). (Da 12:9 compare Rev 10:1,2,9-11)
The investigative judgment of the righteous begins. (Rev 14:7)
For (in favor of) the righteous (Da 7:22, 1Pe 4:17)
Against Satan and his wicked confederation (compare Day of Atonement Lev 16:20-22)
For the benefit of the angels (unfallen beings) (compare 1Pe 1:10-12)
The eternal gospel is preached to all nations. (Mt 24:14, Rev 14:6)
There is a falling away (apostasy) in the church. (2Th 2:2,3, 1Ti 4:1, 2Ti 4:3,4)
Godlessness abounds. (2Ti 3:1-5)
Defiant sin abounds. (Ro 1:20-32, Rev 9:20,21)
Warning messages are heralded to all nations by God's remnant. (2Th 2:1-3,7-9, Rev 14:8-12 compare (Rev 12:17), Rev 18:1-5)
Modern Babylon assumes world-wide power.
Signs and wonders sway the masses. (Rev 13:11-14, Rev 16:13-16, Rev 19:20)
The masses worship the image of the beast. (Rev 13:3,4, Rev 13:11,12)
God's remnant is persecuted under the mark of the beast. (Rev 13:15-17)
Close of probation (Rev 22:11,12)
Seven last plagues (Rev 15:1, Rev 16:1,2,9-11,17-21)
Note: Rev 16:2 occurs after the mark of the beast. (compare Rev 14:9,10)
Second Advent of Jesus Christ
Jesus comes with His angels (Mt 24:30,31, Mt 25:31,32, Rev 19:11-16)
The executive judgment of the righteous occurs.
Righteous dead raised first (Da 12:1,2, 1Th 4:16)
The first resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:6)
The resurrection of life (Jn 5:28,29)
Righteous (raised and living) meet Jesus in the air (1Th 4:16-18, Rev 14:14-16)
Righteous are transformed into their glorified immortal bodies (Isa 35:4-6, 1Co 15:42-44,51-54, Php 3:20,21)
The leaders/agents of the beast and false prophet systems are destroyed as they gather to make war against Jesus (2Th 2:8,9, Rev 19:19,20)
They make war against Jesus by attempting to destroy His people. (Dt 3:22, Ps 35:1-3, Rev 13:15, Rev 17:12-14)
The rest of the wicked living are also destroyed. (Jer 25:33,37,38, Mt 13:40-43, Lk 17:29,30, 2Th 1:7-10, Rev 14:17-20, Rev 19:17,18,21)
Wicked dead remain dead (Rev 20:5)
The Millennium
The righteous are taken to heaven for 1,000 years. (Jn 14:1-3, Rev 20:6)
Satan and his demons are bound on a desolate earth by chains of circumstance. (Isa 14:12-20, Isa 24:3, Jer 4:23-26, Rev 20:1-3,5)
The investigative judgment of the wicked begins.
Against the wicked (people, Satan, and fallen angels) (1Co 6:2,3, 1Pe 4:17,18)
For the benefit of the righteous (Rev 20:4-6)
Third Advent of Jesus Christ
Jesus returns with the righteous to the Mount of Olives. (Zec 14:3-9)
This location was foretold. (Lk 24:50,51 (Bethany is on a slope of the Mount of Olives), Ac 1:10,11)
New Jerusalem descends to earth. (Rev 21:2,3,10)
Wicked dead are raised
The second resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:5)
The resurrection of condemnation (Jn 5:28,29)
Satan is loosed (from chains of circumstance) and deceives the wicked into attacking the holy city. (Rev 20:7-9)
Note: The fate of Satan and the wicked in Rev 20:9,10 is parenthetical and occurs at the end of the great white throne judgment.
The executive judgment of the wicked (great white throne judgment) occurs. (Rev 20:11-15)
Against the wicked (Rev 20:5,12)
Note: The book of life contains only the righteous (the fruit of the first resurrection). (Rev 20:6)
For the benefit of the wicked (Jude 1:14,15)
Jesus' glory is reviewed in panoramic majesty (His perfect life and perfect death) (Isa 40:5)
The wicked behold the enormity of their personal and corporate guilt.
Every knee shall bow (God is vindicated before the entire universe). (Isa 45:22,23, Ro 14:11, Php 2:10,11)
Wicked are destroyed by fire (the second death) (Mal 4:1-3, Mt 25:41, Rev 11:18, Rev 20:9,15, Rev 21:7,8, Rev 22:14,15)
Note on Rev 22:14,15: The wicked are outside of the city and dead (compare Ro 6:23)
Satan and his angels are also destroyed by this fire. (Jer 51:25, Eze 28:17-19, Mt 25:41, Rev 20:10)
The new earth (heaven) is created. (Isa 65:17, 2Pe 3:10-13, Rev 21:1-5, Rev 21:9-27, Rev 22:1-5, Isa 11:9)
http://www.harvesthands.org/endTimeEvents.htm
Jesus Promised His Return
Jesus promised His return. (Jn 14:2,3)
Angels repeated the promise (Ac 1:10,11)
No one Knows When Jesus will Return
No one knows when Jesus will return. (Mt 24:36, Mt 25:13, Mk 13:34,35)
We can know when the second coming is near. (Mt 24:32-37)
For many, the second coming will be unexpected. (Mt 24:37-44, Lk 12:40, Lk 17:26-35, 1Th 5:1-3, Rev 3:3, Rev 16:15)
Through evangelism, we can speed the Lord's coming. (Mt 24:14, 2Pe 3:10-12)
Spiritual Signs of the Second Coming
The book of Daniel is opened (understood). (Da 12:9 compare Rev 10:1,2,9-11)
The eternal gospel is preached to all nations. (Mt 24:14, Rev 14:6,7)
There is a falling away (apostasy) in the church. (2Th 2:2,3, 1Ti 4:1)
Godlessness abounds. (2Ti 3:1-5)
Satan's sinful deceptions are exposed. (2Th 2:2,3,7-9 note “mystery of iniquity”)
Worldwide warning messages are proclaimed. (Rev 14:8-12, Rev 18:1-5)
Signs and wonders sway the masses. (Rev 13:11-14, Rev 16:13-16, Rev 19:20)
The masses worship the image of the beast. (Rev 13:3,4, Rev 13:11,12)
God's remnant church is persecuted under the mark of the beast. (Rev 13:15-17)
Defiant sin abounds. (Rev 9:20,21)
Every Person will See and Hear the Second Coming
Jesus will come with His angels (Mt 16:27, Mt 25:31, 2Th 1:7, Rev 19:11-16)
Angels shine like lightening. (Mt 28:2,3, Lk 24:3-5)
Jesus shines like the sun. (Rev 1:12-18)
Every person will see His coming. (Mt 24:27,30,31, Lk 21:27,28, Rev 1:7, Rev 6:14-17)
Every person will hear His coming. (Ps 50:3-6, Jer 25:30,31, Jn 5:28,29, 1Th 4:16)
The Righteous will be Resurrected
Righteous dead raised first (Da 12:1,2, 1Th 4:16)
The first resurrection (Ac 24:15, Rev 20:6)
The resurrection of life (Jn 5:28,29)
Righteous (raised and living) meet Jesus in the air (1Th 4:16-18, Rev 14:14-16)
Righteous are transformed into their glorified immortal bodies (Isa 35:4-6, 1Co 15:42-44,51-54, Php 3:20,21)
The Wicked will be Slain
Special resurrection of certain wicked (Da 12:1,2, Mt 26:59-64, Rev 1:7)
The leaders/agents of the beast and false prophet systems are destroyed as they gather to make war against Jesus (Rev 19:19,20)
They make war against Jesus by attempting to destroy His people. (Dt 3:22, Ps 35:1-3, Rev 13:15, Rev 17:12-14)
The rest of the wicked living are also slain (Jer 25:33,37,38, Mt 13:40-43, Lk 17:29,30, 2Th 1:7-10, 2Th 2:8,9, Rev 14:17-20, Rev 19:17,18,21)
Wicked dead remain dead (Rev 20:5)
There will be Counterfeit Second Comings
There will be counterfeit second comings. (Mt 24:4,5,23-26)
Be Ready
Two classes of people at the second coming. (Mt 25:31-34,41, Rev 11:18)
Those who are ready – the righteous (the saved) (Tit 2:11-14, Heb 9:28)
Those who are not ready – the wicked (the lost) (Isa 13:6-9, Rev 6:15-17)
http://www.harvesthands.org/secondAdvent.htm
Tribulation
Jesus Predicted Persecution
Jesus predicted persecution. (Mt 5:10-12, Mt 10:17,18, Mt 24:9, Jn 15:20, Jn 16:2)
Every Christian will Experience Persecution
Every Christian will experience persecution. (Ac 14:22, Php 1:29, 2Ti 3:12)
Great Tribulation (1260 Years)
Great tribulation (1260 years) (Da 7:25, Mt 24:21,22,29 (footnotes 1-3), Rev 6:9-12, Rev 7:9-14, Rev 11:2)
Greatest in duration
Great Time of Trouble (End Times)
Great time of trouble (Da 12:1,2)
Greatest in intensity
Forces of evil are no longer restrained (Rev 7:1-3)
Represented by Jacob's time of trouble (Ge 32:24-30, Hos 12:3,4, Jer 30:5-7)
Outward struggles are paralleled by internal pleas to God
God's people are delivered. (Ps 91:9-16, Ps 97:10, Jer 30:7, Rev 3:10)
Daniel and his friends were delivered in the midst of flames. (Da 3:25-27, Da 6:21-23)
Some may be martyred (Rev 13:15, Rev 14:9-13, Rev 17:6, Rev 20:4)
Seven Last Plagues
The seven last plagues will be poured out on those who reject God. (Rev 16:1-21)
Gods people were not harmed during the plagues of Egypt. (Ex 8:22,23, Ex 9:4,26, Ex 12:13)
Gods people will not be harmed during the seven last plagues. (Rev 16:2,6,7)
Purpose of Tribulation
Tribulation proves our faith genuine and glorifies God. (1Pe 1:6,7)
Our Strength in Tribulation
The bottom line for the deliverance question: (Da 3:16-18, Jn 12:27,28, Php 1:21, Heb 12:2-4)
God is our ever present strength. (Ps 46:1,2)
Jesus will never leave us. (Da 3:25-27, Mt 28:20)
http://www.harvesthands.org/tribulation.htm
Hi CON,
The bridesmaids of Mt25 are those who have tasted of the powers from above.
They are not those of the world but those given an earnest of OIL
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