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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2012,07:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2012,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2012,11:16) wup Quote In the 1000yr reign, the people living there in the flesh will be israelites only,from past,present and future generations,that has been chosen by God.The resurved,chosen by election. in witch bible you found this
Hi pierre.Please read Ez.ch.37.
Ez.36:28.32. chap.37:12.
Jer. 31:15.16.17.wakeup.
wakeupI have looked at your scriptures you quoted me but all of them are referring to the time of Christ,the son of man ,
this as nothing to do with the millennial of Christ.Pierre
Hi PierreHave you connected the scriptures yet?
Whose bones are being put together? Who is being raised out of their graves? Who will have flesh put back on them?
flesh, not spirit?Ezekiel 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves.
Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 25 2012,05:11) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2012,07:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2012,07:00) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2012,11:16) wup Quote In the 1000yr reign, the people living there in the flesh will be israelites only,from past,present and future generations,that has been chosen by God.The resurved,chosen by election. in witch bible you found this
Hi pierre.Please read Ez.ch.37.
Ez.36:28.32. chap.37:12.
Jer. 31:15.16.17.wakeup.
wakeupI have looked at your scriptures you quoted me but all of them are referring to the time of Christ,the son of man ,
this as nothing to do with the millennial of Christ.Pierre
Hi PierreHave you connected the scriptures yet?
Whose bones are being put together? Who is being raised out of their graves? Who will have flesh put back on them?
flesh, not spirit?Ezekiel 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves.
Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
J42Quote Have you connected the scriptures yet? their are many connections but what make you so sure that you connected truthfully
and so that all you say that should happen in the 1000 years is true ,?
tell me what as Revelation ;Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.with ;
Please read Ez.ch.37.
Ez.36:28.32. chap.37:12.
Jer. 31:15.16.17.please explain
Hi J,
Somewhere in Mesopotamia?
The curses of weeds and drought will be removed and the earth will flourish once again.Yes J,
The resurrection of the Jewish people will be different-in their original flesh.
But they are raised by the Spirit which gives eternal life to us but not to them?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2012,02:59) Yes J,
The resurrection of the Jewish people will be different-in their original flesh.
But they are raised by the Spirit which gives eternal life to us but not to them?
Yes Nick that is correct. Only the reserved Israelites. The ones God has put aside (chosen of election, reserved) they will be raised into flesh only
and they will be brought into the kingdom, along with the remnant (Israelites only) that survived the great tribulation. (not all Israelites, only the chosen ones by election again).Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2012,02:57) Hi J,
Somewhere in Mesopotamia?
The curses of weeds and drought will be removed and the earth will flourish once again.
I'm not going to just give you the answer, but rack your brain to make it fun.Think about it. It was called paradise.
Quote (david @ Jan. 23 2006,00:30) I'm sorry if I offended somehow Kenrch. That was not my intent–I wanted simply to know what others thought. As I've already said, Jehovah's Witnesses are disciples (followers) of Christ, not any man–meaning we follow the teachings of Christ.
If the IBS claim to be disciples of Charles T. Russel, a great “man” who has been dead for some time, but a “man” nonetheless, then this presents a problem.
Judge Rutherford was not “the judge,” as you say, but his first name was Judge.
He did not 'invent the Watch Tower,' if you mean the magazine. In July 18,79, 27-year-old Russell began publishing Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence (now known as The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom), which from the beginning has upheld Scriptural truth.
If however you mean that Judge Rutherford invented the Watchtower Society, or the group more commonly known as Jehovah's Witnesses, that's not true either. We are as different from Rutherfords time as we were from Russels time to Rutherfords time. It's true that we have refined, clarifed, and continued to shed worldly influences, false beliefs, pagan holidays, etc, and a lot of that happened around the time of Rutherford. But it continued long after. And it started before him, with Russel.
It's true that we as imperfect humans have had wrong expectations, even as the early Christians did. Remember when they asked Jesus: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” (Acts 1:6) They were a bit eager for the kingdom, even as we are.
You say: “Seems that the two groups have a lot in common.” Before we took on the distinctive name Jehovah's Witnesses, we were known as the International Bible Students Association. We have some big differences. Our worship involves more than studying the Bible. We follow Jesus' example of telling others the truth about his Father, Jehovah. Hence, the name.Kenrch, I was wondering why they believe that we have entered the millenial reign.
david.
DavidQuote Judge Rutherford was not “the judge,” as you say, but his first name was Judge. I may be wrong :but Rutherford was a lawyer and if I have my souvenirs correct he seated has a judge for a short time and they stuck the name to him,
please tell me if this is wrong
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,05:40) Hi J,
Is it written that Eden is Paradise?
lk 23.43
1 cor 12.4
rev 2 7
Hi Nick.Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the Lord; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
By the time we are finished, Mesopotamia will not be your answer.
The scriptures you gave show you getting warmer!Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man: and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
this tells us that after Adam was kicked out of the garden, this tree remains and is heavily guarded by angels.
Rev 2:7 He that overcomes, will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
No one has eaten of this tree yet, but is a promise to those who overcome. The tree, heavily guarded hasn't moved. It's been in the same place all this time. Gives us a clue where Eden is, and man has been trying find evidence of it's location, without confirmation. It's been blocked to them, but to us revealed from the scriptures. Not directly revealed, but hidden in scripture. Hidden to them.
I think you may have figured it out now!Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2012,11:24) J42 who is ZION
HI PierreZion is the woman spoken of in Rev Chapter 12. God's Spiritual City.
A spiritual city at the moment, and she gives birth to children, but this woman must go through labour pains before her children are born. (quickened)
When her children are finally born, Zion will be manifest. The world will know her, and she will continue to produce children.Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up to God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make War with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isaiah 48:2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts is his name.
Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
Isaiah 62:12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.
Jeremiah 17:25 Then shall there enter into the gates of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: and this city shall remain for ever.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,12:51) Hi J,
So none say Eden is paradise but you do?
Hi NickDid you get what I just told you. You keep concentrating on whether Eden was called paradise. You missed something there in those scriptures. What was in EDEN?
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 26 2012,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,05:40) Hi J,
Is it written that Eden is Paradise?
lk 23.43
1 cor 12.4
rev 2 7
Hi Nick.Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the Lord; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
By the time we are finished, Mesopotamia will not be your answer.
The scriptures you gave show you getting warmer!Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man: and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
this tells us that after Adam was kicked out of the garden, this tree remains and is heavily guarded by angels.
Rev 2:7 He that overcomes, will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
No one has eaten of this tree yet, but is a promise to those who overcome. The tree, heavily guarded hasn't moved. It's been in the same place all this time. Gives us a clue where Eden is, and man has been trying find evidence of it's location, without confirmation. It's been blocked to them, but to us revealed from the scriptures. Not directly revealed, but hidden in scripture. Hidden to them.
I think you may have figured it out now!
Hi Nick.The tree of life was originally planted in the garden of Eden. It was a physical tree.
The tree of life now, is a spiritual tree, and that tree is Christ.
As we know, Christ will rule from Jerusalem during the millennial reign. Jerusalem was chosen from the beginning, so it wouldn't make sense to plant this tree anywhere else.
Rev 2: To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
The new paradise will be in that kingdom, where wild animals will dwell in harmony with each other and people, a baby will live to be 100 yrs old etc.
I think I was wrong in saying that you cannot eat of that tree until you overcome, for if you believe in Christ and feed of him even now, then we are eating of that tree which gives life. If we are believing in Christ now, then we have overcome already, but up to Christ to say who has overcome and who hasn't.
I think I was also wrong in saying the tree was never removed. For after thinking about it more deeper, that tree which became Christ, dwelt with man here on earth, and journeyed. Then went to sit at the right hand side of his father in heaven. This tree of life (Christ) will return and reside in the Garden of the Lord (Jerusalem) and people will feed of him again. And that tree will be reestablished in the same location chosen from the beginning.
I needed to clarify this, I couldn't sleep last night knowing I got it slightly wrong!
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 27 2012,03:39) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2012,11:24) J42 who is ZION
HI PierreZion is the woman spoken of in Rev Chapter 12. God's Spiritual City.
A spiritual city at the moment, and she gives birth to children, but this woman must go through labour pains before her children are born. (quickened)
When her children are finally born, Zion will be manifest. The world will know her, and she will continue to produce children.Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up to God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make War with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isaiah 48:2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts is his name.
Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
Isaiah 62:12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.
Jeremiah 17:25 Then shall there enter into the gates of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: and this city shall remain for ever.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
j42Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,yes this is what i believe ,I thought you knew some thing else
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 27 2012,09:16) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 26 2012,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2012,05:40) Hi J,
Is it written that Eden is Paradise?
lk 23.43
1 cor 12.4
rev 2 7
Hi Nick.Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the Lord; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
By the time we are finished, Mesopotamia will not be your answer.
The scriptures you gave show you getting warmer!Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man: and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
this tells us that after Adam was kicked out of the garden, this tree remains and is heavily guarded by angels.
Rev 2:7 He that overcomes, will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
No one has eaten of this tree yet, but is a promise to those who overcome. The tree, heavily guarded hasn't moved. It's been in the same place all this time. Gives us a clue where Eden is, and man has been trying find evidence of it's location, without confirmation. It's been blocked to them, but to us revealed from the scriptures. Not directly revealed, but hidden in scripture. Hidden to them.
I think you may have figured it out now!
Hi Nick.The tree of life was originally planted in the garden of Eden. It was a physical tree.
The tree of life now, is a spiritual tree, and that tree is Christ.
As we know, Christ will rule from Jerusalem during the millennial reign. Jerusalem was chosen from the beginning, so it wouldn't make sense to plant this tree anywhere else.
Rev 2: To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
The new paradise will be in that kingdom, where wild animals will dwell in harmony with each other and people, a baby will live to be 100 yrs old etc.
I think I was wrong in saying that you cannot eat of that tree until you overcome, for if you believe in Christ and feed of him even now, then we are eating of that tree which gives life. If we are believing in Christ now, then we have overcome already, but up to Christ to say who has overcome and who hasn't.
I think I was also wrong in saying the tree was never removed. For after thinking about it more deeper, that tree which became Christ, dwelt with man here on earth, and journeyed. Then went to sit at the right hand side of his father in heaven. This tree of life (Christ) will return and reside in the Garden of the Lord (Jerusalem) and people will feed of him again. And that tree will be reestablished in the same location chosen from the beginning.
I needed to clarify this, I couldn't sleep last night knowing I got it slightly wrong!
Hi Journey.The tree of life is in most Christian homes to day,but unfortunately they dont come near it.
For to follow the commandments,only means to give up all the wonderful things this world can give,and this is too big of a sacrifice.The tree of life was in eden in the form of a tree,with fruits,Adam could not touch it,for the door to God was closed.
In Jerusalem 2000yrs ago ;the tree of life was walking amongst men; in the form of a man, the man Jesus.
Today,the tree of life is amongst us in the form of a book,called the holy bible; The words in this book gives life,but men refuse to feed on it;They rather just go to church to enjoy the gathering,and the music and sight seeing.
JESUS SAID; EAT MY FLESH,FOR MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED.
And it is much more interesting to read books, and glossy magazines, ABOUT the bible.
wakeup.
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