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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2009,07:52) Quote (Cindy @ April 01 2009,00:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2009,06:17) Hi Georg,
There is no end to the rule of God on earth, begun two thousand years ago and now all over the world, to be made complete under the reign of Jesus as King in Jerusalem and then handed back to the Father.
NickGeorg
Hi Georg,
Genesis 1 is not the beginning of all things but just the beginning of the restoration of goodness in heaven and on earth. Evil had been found among the angelic beings and Satan who had access to heaven[jb1] and whom one third of the angels serve[Rev12]had stolen the earth becoming it's god.The rescue plan for the stolen earth and the infiltrated heaven involved the use of a new and even lowlier new creation- man of earth- who was created to shame the mighty angels such that they will become even servants of the human sons of God[heb1]
God will restore all things under His rule through His Son, born of man, in whom we too can find the reward he won.
The Father is not ruling yet, neither is Jesus; he has been declared king, but his reign has not yet begun.
You are right, Gen. 1 is not the beginning of all things; the earth and the universe were created long before then.
Also, it is not the beginning of the restoration, it was the beginning of mans downfall. The restoration of paradise here on earth will begin with Christs reign.
The angels were tested, just as we humans are; there are rebels among both groups.
The earth was not stolen by any one; since man gave in to Satan, God allowed Satan to rule this world so man could learn what the penalty for disobedience to God is, death, even the angels are learning that.
There is no “rescue” plan, it is all God's plan. God knew that this is the only way he could sift out the chaff from the wheat.
Heaven infiltrated, by whom? Man was not created to shame any one, man was created for the pleasure, and glory of God, and yes, angels are ministering spirits.
The “human sons” of God, those that proved their faith, and loyalty to God, under the worst of condition, are honored by having a real part in ruling with Christ, even after the millennium.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ April 02 2009,22:17) There is no “rescue” plan, it is all God's plan. God knew that this is the only way he could sift out the chaff from the wheat. 
Really as if GOD “the reader of hearts” could not just look into the hearts of his creations and see for himself…
GOD's plan…is clear in the bible..and what you have stated is not it…here is GOD's plan..plain and simple in the bible..
Revelation 22
The River of Life
1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. 6The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”
Jesus Is Coming7″Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.”
8I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”10Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near. 11Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
12″Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14″Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
16″I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.
God has wanted things this way from the very beginning…why he decided to let things play out this way…we don't know yet..THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY…maybe he will tell us one day..until…stop adding to the book…it has already been adde d to enough
Thank you for all the scriptures, they look just like the once in my bible.
You almost sound a bid like Nick; always know when others are “wrong”, but never able to come up with the “truth”.Georg
Hi Georg,
If Jesus has returned before your birth and the first resurrection has already occured then 1 Cor 15 applies to you.15Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Rev. 22
1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. 6The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”These scriptures speak of a time after the millennium; not until the last enemy, Satan, is destroyed, will God dwell with men. That does not mean however that men will see God.
God's servants are the saints, they will see him. Those that have his name in their forehead are the 144000. It says there, “they will reign for ever and ever,” how is that possible if Jesus will turn the kingdom over to the Father?
verse 10 says, “do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book”, that means, it is given to us to understand it; what hinders you from understanding it, is your believe in traditional teaching. Did not Jesus tell us you can't put new wine into old wine skins?
Verse 12 has been fulfilled in 1900, and those in the first resurrection have received their reward.
Verse 14, they have washed their ropes in the blood of the lamb.Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev. 22:15 is still speaking of the time now, before the millennium.
Verse 18 is a warning, are you listening? NO, instead you reject truth and understanding that could help you. That is why Jesus compared this time with the time of Noah, nobody listened then either, and did it not take Noah 120 years to build the Ark?
Whether you believe it or not, changes not the fact that we have less then 10 years left of that generation Jesus said, would not pass away till all things be fulfilled.
There are two major prophecies that have to be yet fulfilled.Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
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Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
When you look at the economic crisis, which is global; can you see the beginning of that?
Georg
Hi georg,
You say
“Verse 12 has been fulfilled in 1900, and those in the first resurrection have received their reward.”But you clearly have not understood scripture.
You too might be saved in Christ.Georg,
You say
“Verse 18 is a warning, are you listening? NO, instead you reject truth and understanding that could help you. “
But you are not here to listen but to teach according to your false understandings.Hi georg,
You say
“verse 10 says, “do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book”, that means, it is given to us to understand it; what hinders you from understanding it, is your believe in traditional teaching. Did not Jesus tell us you can't put new wine into old wine skins?”No you do not let scripture speak but impose your intellectual understandings and then rebuke all who look askance at them.
You rebuke, but never listen; you don't learn because you reject truth; you accuse, but never bring prove. Pride and vanity will do that to a man; the pharisees eventually had Jesus killed because of their pride. Jeremiah preached to the kingdom of Judah for 23 years, they almost killed him for it. The only people that ever repented of their evil, and pride, you find in the book of Jonah.
Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2009,20:18) Hi Georg,
You are wrong.
Jesus has not come yet.
Don't let stubbornness make you miss the event.
And you have proven me right.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ April 03 2009,20:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2009,20:18) Hi Georg,
You are wrong.
Jesus has not come yet.
Don't let stubbornness make you miss the event.
And you have proven me right.Georg
cindy/ george…i got ENOUGH of “prophets” and THEIR interpretations of christs' coming when i was a Jehovah's Witness….sorry bro….I put up an automatic wall when people start doing what you are doing….don't get mad at me though..i'm just doing what Jesus said to do when people start making these claims:Luke 17:22-24 (New International Version)
22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[a] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other.
Quote (dirtyknections @ April 07 2009,01:20) Quote (Cindy @ April 03 2009,20:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2009,20:18) Hi Georg,
You are wrong.
Jesus has not come yet.
Don't let stubbornness make you miss the event.
And you have proven me right.Georg
cindy/ george…i got ENOUGH of “prophets” and THEIR interpretations of christs' coming when i was a Jehovah's Witness….sorry bro….I put up an automatic wall when people start doing what you are doing….don't get mad at me though..i'm just doing what Jesus said to do when people start making these claims:Luke 17:22-24 (New International Version)
22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[a] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other.
dkIf you have followed my posts at all, you would know, I never said Christ is here, run to him, or there; I have said, and stand by that, “Christ has returned, and the saints have been resurrected”. I have given the scriptures that show me that, in my dispute with Nick, and I am happy to do it again with you, should you be interested.
Georg
Nick, I was, and I am right about you, and you have NEVER proven me wrong yet; telling some one he is wrong does not make it so; so who is doing the repeating.
Are you now speaking for “dk” too?Georg
Hi Georg,
You say from your calculations that Jesus has returned and is in the air with the saints teaching them about the Millenium.Sounds like pie in the sky to us who hope to be rejoined with him.
Bad science.
Have a slice Nick, you enjoy it, you have after all, been eating on it for some time now.
By the way, who is us?Georg
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