The messiah as david's son

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Colter. Now it is Isaiah that is corrupt,who is next? Anyone that is in your way is corrupt, only your words are truth. the ub cannot be used to defend the truth,because there is no truth in it. The scriptures are so written;that it can not be contradicted without getting bogged down in the end. God has made sure of this. wakeup.

I didn't say Isaiah was corrupt, i said, in the beginning of this line of discussion, that in olden times man thought that everything that happened was Gods doing. If it rained, that was God, drought, that was God's punishment for something, if grandma died, that was God, good luck, bad luck, good, evil, win a war, loose a war everything was God's doing. That was Isaiah's opinion.

I already demonstrated, using the scripture, that mans thinking changed. I used the example of the numbering of Israel in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. But you won't address that because you approach God through the Bible rather then the Bible through God.

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,21:17)

Quote Colter. Now it is Isaiah that is corrupt,who is next? Anyone that is in your way is corrupt, only your words are truth. the ub cannot be used to defend the truth,because there is no truth in it. The scriptures are so written;that it can not be contradicted without getting bogged down in the end. God has made sure of this. wakeup. I didn't say Isaiah was corrupt, i said, in the beginning of this line of discussion, that in olden times man thought that everything that happened was Gods doing. If it rained, that was God, drought, that was God's punishment for something, if grandma died, that was God, good luck, bad luck, good, evil, win a war, loose a war everything was God's doing. That was Isaiah's opinion. I already demonstrated, using the scripture, that mans thinking changed. I used the example of the numbering of Israel in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. But you won't address that because you approach God through the Bible rather then the Bible through God. Colter

Colter.

I say that God wont let men corrupt his word,because Jesus
said ''seek and YE SHALL FIND''.
Many are seeking,and some have found.
The only place to seek is the sctiptures.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2013,22:43)

Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,21:17) Quote Colter. Now it is Isaiah that is corrupt,who is next? Anyone that is in your way is corrupt, only your words are truth. the ub cannot be used to defend the truth,because there is no truth in it. The scriptures are so written;that it can not be contradicted without getting bogged down in the end. God has made sure of this. wakeup. I didn't say Isaiah was corrupt, i said, in the beginning of this line of discussion, that in olden times man thought that everything that happened was Gods doing. If it rained, that was God, drought, that was God's punishment for something, if grandma died, that was God, good luck, bad luck, good, evil, win a war, loose a war everything was God's doing. That was Isaiah's opinion. I already demonstrated, using the scripture, that mans thinking changed. I used the example of the numbering of Israel in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. But you won't address that because you approach God through the Bible rather then the Bible through God. Colter Colter. I say that God wont let men corrupt his word,because Jesus said ''seek and YE SHALL FIND''. Many are seeking,and some have found. The only place to seek is the sctiptures. wakeup.

Jesus didn't teach man to seek for God exclusively in the scripture or the UB, he taught man to seek God's will in prayer.

The Son of God was very different then the expectations of the Jews which they derived from “the scripture.” They were also taught not to think outside of the scripture.

Believing in Jesus in his day required thinking outside of the scripture.

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,23:12)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2013,22:43) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,21:17) Quote Colter. Now it is Isaiah that is corrupt,who is next? Anyone that is in your way is corrupt, only your words are truth. the ub cannot be used to defend the truth,because there is no truth in it. The scriptures are so written;that it can not be contradicted without getting bogged down in the end. God has made sure of this. wakeup. I didn't say Isaiah was corrupt, i said, in the beginning of this line of discussion, that in olden times man thought that everything that happened was Gods doing. If it rained, that was God, drought, that was God's punishment for something, if grandma died, that was God, good luck, bad luck, good, evil, win a war, loose a war everything was God's doing. That was Isaiah's opinion. I already demonstrated, using the scripture, that mans thinking changed. I used the example of the numbering of Israel in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. But you won't address that because you approach God through the Bible rather then the Bible through God. Colter Colter. I say that God wont let men corrupt his word,because Jesus said ''seek and YE SHALL FIND''. Many are seeking,and some have found. The only place to seek is the sctiptures. wakeup. Jesus didn't teach man to seek for God exclusively in the scripture or the UB, he taught man to seek God's will in prayer. The Son of God was very different then the expectations of the Jews which they derived from “the scripture.” They were also taught not to think outside of the scripture. Believing in Jesus in his day required thinking outside of the scripture. Colter

Colter.

And the truth shall set you free.
seek the truth.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 11 2013,05:00)

Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,23:12) Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2013,22:43) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,21:17) Quote Colter. Now it is Isaiah that is corrupt,who is next? Anyone that is in your way is corrupt, only your words are truth. the ub cannot be used to defend the truth,because there is no truth in it. The scriptures are so written;that it can not be contradicted without getting bogged down in the end. God has made sure of this. wakeup. I didn't say Isaiah was corrupt, i said, in the beginning of this line of discussion, that in olden times man thought that everything that happened was Gods doing. If it rained, that was God, drought, that was God's punishment for something, if grandma died, that was God, good luck, bad luck, good, evil, win a war, loose a war everything was God's doing. That was Isaiah's opinion. I already demonstrated, using the scripture, that mans thinking changed. I used the example of the numbering of Israel in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. But you won't address that because you approach God through the Bible rather then the Bible through God. Colter Colter. I say that God wont let men corrupt his word,because Jesus said ''seek and YE SHALL FIND''. Many are seeking,and some have found. The only place to seek is the sctiptures. wakeup. Jesus didn't teach man to seek for God exclusively in the scripture or the UB, he taught man to seek God's will in prayer. The Son of God was very different then the expectations of the Jews which they derived from “the scripture.” They were also taught not to think outside of the scripture. Believing in Jesus in his day required thinking outside of the scripture. Colter Colter. And the truth shall set you free. seek the truth. wakeup.

Maybe you should seek a pair of reading glasses, a class in reading comprehension and freedom from the bondage of priest-craft.

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ April 11 2013,06:05)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 11 2013,05:00) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,23:12) Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2013,22:43) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,21:17) Quote Colter. Now it is Isaiah that is corrupt,who is next? Anyone that is in your way is corrupt, only your words are truth. the ub cannot be used to defend the truth,because there is no truth in it. The scriptures are so written;that it can not be contradicted without getting bogged down in the end. God has made sure of this. wakeup. I didn't say Isaiah was corrupt, i said, in the beginning of this line of discussion, that in olden times man thought that everything that happened was Gods doing. If it rained, that was God, drought, that was God's punishment for something, if grandma died, that was God, good luck, bad luck, good, evil, win a war, loose a war everything was God's doing. That was Isaiah's opinion. I already demonstrated, using the scripture, that mans thinking changed. I used the example of the numbering of Israel in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. But you won't address that because you approach God through the Bible rather then the Bible through God. Colter Colter. I say that God wont let men corrupt his word,because Jesus said ''seek and YE SHALL FIND''. Many are seeking,and some have found. The only place to seek is the sctiptures. wakeup. Jesus didn't teach man to seek for God exclusively in the scripture or the UB, he taught man to seek God's will in prayer. The Son of God was very different then the expectations of the Jews which they derived from “the scripture.” They were also taught not to think outside of the scripture. Believing in Jesus in his day required thinking outside of the scripture. Colter Colter. And the truth shall set you free. seek the truth. wakeup. Maybe you should seek a pair of reading glasses, a class in reading comprehension and freedom from the bondage of priest-craft. Colter

Colter.

And you are under the bondage of the ub craft.
The qur'an is a book written by muslems,but they can not use that book by itself,so they have to borrow some
verses out of the bible.

So it is with the ub.
I wonder what Oprah winfrey's religion is?
Could it be same as yours?

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 11 2013,08:58)

Quote (Colter @ April 11 2013,06:05) Quote (Wakeup @ April 11 2013,05:00) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,23:12) Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2013,22:43) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,21:17) Quote Colter. Now it is Isaiah that is corrupt,who is next? Anyone that is in your way is corrupt, only your words are truth. the ub cannot be used to defend the truth,because there is no truth in it. The scriptures are so written;that it can not be contradicted without getting bogged down in the end. God has made sure of this. wakeup. I didn't say Isaiah was corrupt, i said, in the beginning of this line of discussion, that in olden times man thought that everything that happened was Gods doing. If it rained, that was God, drought, that was God's punishment for something, if grandma died, that was God, good luck, bad luck, good, evil, win a war, loose a war everything was God's doing. That was Isaiah's opinion. I already demonstrated, using the scripture, that mans thinking changed. I used the example of the numbering of Israel in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. But you won't address that because you approach God through the Bible rather then the Bible through God. Colter Colter. I say that God wont let men corrupt his word,because Jesus said ''seek and YE SHALL FIND''. Many are seeking,and some have found. The only place to seek is the sctiptures. wakeup. Jesus didn't teach man to seek for God exclusively in the scripture or the UB, he taught man to seek God's will in prayer. The Son of God was very different then the expectations of the Jews which they derived from “the scripture.” They were also taught not to think outside of the scripture. Believing in Jesus in his day required thinking outside of the scripture. Colter Colter. And the truth shall set you free. seek the truth. wakeup. Maybe you should seek a pair of reading glasses, a class in reading comprehension and freedom from the bondage of priest-craft. Colter Colter. And you are  under the bondage of the ub craft. The qur'an is a book written by muslems,but they can not use that book by itself,so they have to borrow some verses out of the bible. So it is with the ub. I wonder what Oprah winfrey's religion is? Could it be same as yours? wakeup.

I have already told you what my faith is but you just want to argue like a child.

Our discussions are finished.

Colter

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Quote (Wakeup @ April 11 2013,08:58)

Quote (Colter @ April 11 2013,06:05) Quote (Wakeup @ April 11 2013,05:00) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,23:12) Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2013,22:43) Quote (Colter @ April 10 2013,21:17) Quote Colter. Now it is Isaiah that is corrupt,who is next? Anyone that is in your way is corrupt, only your words are truth. the ub cannot be used to defend the truth,because there is no truth in it. The scriptures are so written;that it can not be contradicted without getting bogged down in the end. God has made sure of this. wakeup. I didn't say Isaiah was corrupt, i said, in the beginning of this line of discussion, that in olden times man thought that everything that happened was Gods doing. If it rained, that was God, drought, that was God's punishment for something, if grandma died, that was God, good luck, bad luck, good, evil, win a war, loose a war everything was God's doing. That was Isaiah's opinion. I already demonstrated, using the scripture, that mans thinking changed. I used the example of the numbering of Israel in 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. But you won't address that because you approach God through the Bible rather then the Bible through God. Colter Colter. I say that God wont let men corrupt his word,because Jesus said ''seek and YE SHALL FIND''. Many are seeking,and some have found. The only place to seek is the sctiptures. wakeup. Jesus didn't teach man to seek for God exclusively in the scripture or the UB, he taught man to seek God's will in prayer. The Son of God was very different then the expectations of the Jews which they derived from “the scripture.” They were also taught not to think outside of the scripture. Believing in Jesus in his day required thinking outside of the scripture. Colter Colter. And the truth shall set you free. seek the truth. wakeup. Maybe you should seek a pair of reading glasses, a class in reading comprehension and freedom from the bondage of priest-craft. Colter Colter. And you are  under the bondage of the ub craft. The qur'an is a book written by muslems,but they can not use that book by itself,so they have to borrow some verses out of the bible. So it is with the ub. I wonder what Oprah winfrey's religion is? Could it be same as yours? wakeup.

The Quran is not wriiten by “Muslims” and they are not told to use the Quran by itself as the Quran explains that the message was already sent down to mankind previously but men do and have changed the words an that is what is meat by God protecting his message HE sends it again and again but that ended with th Quran as far as th message being complete because now it is easy to detect when someone changes anything

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The OT fraud:

(1023.4) 93:9.7 What the Old Testament records describe as conversations between Abraham and God were in reality conferences between Abraham and Melchizedek. Later scribes regarded the term Melchizedek as synonymous with God. The record of so many contacts of Abraham and Sarah with “the angel of the Lord” refers to their numerous visits with Melchizedek.

(1023.5) 93:9.8 The Hebrew narratives of Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph are far more reliable than those about Abraham, although they also contain many diversions from the facts, alterations made intentionally and unintentionally at the time of the compilation of these records by the Hebrew priests during the Babylonian captivity. Keturah was not a wife of Abraham; like Hagar, she was merely a concubine. All of Abraham’s property went to Isaac, the son of Sarah, the status wife. Abraham was not so old as the records indicate, and his wife was much younger. These ages were deliberately altered in order to provide for the subsequent alleged miraculous birth of Isaac.

(1023.6) 93:9.9 The national ego of the Jews was tremendously depressed by the Babylonian captivity. In their reaction against national inferiority they swung to the other extreme of national and racial egotism, in which they distorted and perverted their traditions with the view of exalting themselves above all races as the chosen people of God; and hence they carefully edited all their records for the purpose of raising Abraham and their other national leaders high up above all other persons, not excepting Melchizedek himself. The Hebrew scribes therefore destroyed every record of these momentous times which they could find, preserving only the narrative of the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek after the battle of Siddim, which they deemed reflected great honor upon Abraham.

(1024.1) 93:9.10 And thus, in losing sight of Melchizedek, they also lost sight of the teaching of this emergency Son regarding the spiritual mission of the promised bestowal Son; lost sight of the nature of this mission so fully and completely that very few of their progeny were able or willing to recognize and receive Michael when he appeared on earth and in the flesh as Machiventa had foretold.

(1024.2) 93:9.11 But one of the writers of the Book of Hebrews understood the mission of Melchizedek, for it is written: “This Melchizedek, priest of the Most High, was also king of peace; without father, without mother, without pedigree, having neither beginning of days nor end of life but made like a Son of God, he abides a priest continually.” This writer designated Melchizedek as a type of the later bestowal of Michael, affirming that Jesus was “a minister forever on the order of Melchizedek.” While this comparison was not altogether fortunate, it was literally true that Christ did receive provisional title to Urantia “upon the orders of the twelve Melchizedek receivers” on duty at the time of his world bestowal.

Colter

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The OT fraud: (1023.4) 93:9.7 What the Old Testament records describe as conversations between Abraham and God were in reality conferences between Abraham and Melchizedek. Later scribes regarded the term Melchizedek as synonymous with God. The record of so many contacts of Abraham and Sarah with “the angel of the Lord” refers to their numerous visits with Melchizedek. (1023.5) 93:9.8 The Hebrew narratives of Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph are far more reliable than those about Abraham, although they also contain many diversions from the facts, alterations made intentionally and unintentionally at the time of the compilation of these records by the Hebrew priests during the Babylonian captivity. Keturah was not a wife of Abraham; like Hagar, she was merely a concubine. All of Abraham’s property went to Isaac, the son of Sarah, the status wife. Abraham was not so old as the records indicate, and his wife was much younger. These ages were deliberately altered in order to provide for the subsequent alleged miraculous birth of Isaac. (1023.6) 93:9.9 The national ego of the Jews was tremendously depressed by the Babylonian captivity. In their reaction against national inferiority they swung to the other extreme of national and racial egotism, in which they distorted and perverted their traditions with the view of exalting themselves above all races as the chosen people of God; and hence they carefully edited all their records for the purpose of raising Abraham and their other national leaders high up above all other persons, not excepting Melchizedek himself. The Hebrew scribes therefore destroyed every record of these momentous times which they could find, preserving only the narrative of the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek after the battle of Siddim, which they deemed reflected great honor upon Abraham. (1024.1) 93:9.10 And thus, in losing sight of Melchizedek, they also lost sight of the teaching of this emergency Son regarding the spiritual mission of the promised bestowal Son; lost sight of the nature of this mission so fully and completely that very few of their progeny were able or willing to recognize and receive Michael when he appeared on earth and in the flesh as Machiventa had foretold. (1024.2) 93:9.11 But one of the writers of the Book of Hebrews understood the mission of Melchizedek, for it is written: “This Melchizedek, priest of the Most High, was also king of peace; without father, without mother, without pedigree, having neither beginning of days nor end of life but made like a Son of God, he abides a priest continually.” This writer designated Melchizedek as a type of the later bestowal of Michael, affirming that Jesus was “a minister forever on the order of Melchizedek.” While this comparison was not altogether fortunate, it was literally true that Christ did receive provisional title to Urantia “upon the orders of the twelve Melchizedek receivers” on duty at the time of his world bestowal. Colter

Colter.

You have obviously not studied the bible thoroughly.
Melchizedek is the *Word of God* before he was made flesh.
You see the old generations as foolish and stupid men.
Nothing is new under the sun; things that are,was already.
The human eye was; cosmic waves was; electricity was.
The components of gun powder was.
Gold, silver, brass,iron,lead was, black oil was, uranium was
Scientist just found a way to put them to use,by trial and error.
Evil was,and is evolving into a greater evil.

wakeup.

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But Melchizedek was flesh, he was, and still is, a celestial being created by Christ Michael. He incarnate roughly 2,000 BC. He was a spiritual leader of a monotheistic community at Salem. He sent out missionaries all over the world to teach the truth of the “One” God. He established the convenient with Abram and predicted the captivity and future occupation of Caanan by the descendants of Abram based on their continued Faith.

Me was on the earth for 90 years and then vanished, returning to heaven.

Colter

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