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Quote that the true preachers sent by God, shall not hiding the truth and the essential name of God. Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.
one question :WHAT TRUTH IS THERE BESIDE THE HOLY SCRIPTURES
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,16:47) Taken from here: (Link) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 20 2012,18:31) Hi limjunus, How would you define the true church?
(in terms of its physical characteristics)God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,I don't believe that you've understood the essence of my question,
I don't mean what are the characteristics in terms of human behavior.
But rather what I mean is how can this Church be identified as a group?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Still patiently waiting for you to address my question to you.Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 21 2012,14:04) I understand your message, yet I disagree to a point. In the old times, people had to attend church because bibles were not issued out yet. As you know they read out scrolls, and you had to go to the church (temple) to hear the word of the Lord.
but I encourage you to test everything. Even these “messengers of God” you believe in. To make sure they have given you the whole picture, and not just parts.
We can start comparing notes, and I will ask you to answer a few questions.
God bless.
Sister J42,Greetings,
I'd read the whole post of yours. For being faithful with the discussion or sharing what we have got, you have made me very much interesting in sharing with you what I had?
I spending my precious time here in Heaven Net with the purposes of noble task, glorifying the Lord by sharing the truth I had through the and from preachers, really sent by God, sharing it specially to the person like you.
Beside attending the church (temple/house of worship) where the chosen people of God, gathering for a worship services and commanding the true believers not to forsake the assembly. As what the holy scriptures testimony. Ref: Hebrews 10:25 NKJV.
not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as ye see the Day approaching.
How is it then, brethren? When ye come together every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. Ref: 1 Cor. 14:26 NKJV.
The gathering inside the house of worship, required the believers to have the singing (psalm) language (have a tongue) teaching the mystery (revelation) and interpretation for edification of the congregation.
Beside the literal church going (bldg./house of worship), there is a church, called the mystical body of Christ. The members of the body of Christ must be parts as a whole organization; tied by one spirit (doctrines) and not as many churches with each of them and having an opposite doctrines.
We need to be part of the true church so that we could obtain the forgiveness of our sins and the reconciliation between God, and men would be made through Christ Jesus. So making peace between God and men.
In God's will, men such should be saved must brought in to the church of Christ. As what the Holy Scriptures testimony. Ref: Acts. 2:47 NKJV>.
praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
God knows that the church He commanded to His Son to established is one of the very many important the means of the souls salvation.
23For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body. Ref: Ephessians 5:23 RSV.
The blood of Christ Jesus did not bought the whole world, instead only the church, his body. (Ref: Acts 20:28 G. Lamsa / Romans 16:16)
Yes, Sister J-42, you can ask me questions as many as you can and I am very happy to share with you the answers.
May the Lord God, bless you.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,16:47) Taken from here: (Link) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 20 2012,18:31) Hi limjunus, How would you define the true church?
(in terms of its physical characteristics)God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,I don't believe that you've understood the essence of my question,
I don't mean what are the characteristics in terms of human behavior.
But rather what I mean is how can this Church be identified as a group?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed j,I am very sorry for my delay in responding with your inquiry.
The true church belong to Christ is in existing in our time, visible, physically and spiritually.
The direct question is how to identified the true church?
Obviously, there were plenty of churches nowadays around the world, each of one is professing that their church is the true church of Christ…. even though each having different doctrines, opposing each of everyone. These churches could be all true churches of Christ, because of their opposing beliefs. From among them, we should find the true one. The truth is only one but the lies are many.
Visibility and physically measurement, using some of our common senses, we could not be denied, there were many churches presents around us.
Now, how we could be identified the true church by spiritual (words of God) measurement?
Step by step:
To shortened the list, first step is by her (church) name.
Those churches that does not bearing by the name of Christ, is not the true church of Christ. With the reasons testified from the Holy Scriptures that there is no other name given to men under heaven with the salvation, except the name of our Lord Christ Jesus. Ref: Acts 4:10,12[/B]10 be it known unto you all and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified and whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.”
“Take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which He hath purchased with His own blood. Ref: Acts. 20:28 G. Lamsa.
But there were many churches around the world called by the name of our Lord Christ Jesus, which one among them?
We can identified which one is the true church of Christ from among the remaining called under the name church of Christ by asking how they have been exist, their history, their origin, who are the founders and the most important to be measure is their doctrines come from where?
addendum
Quote: “These churches could be all true churches of Christ, because of their opposing beliefs. From among them, we should find the true one. The truth is only one but the lies are many. “
Should be These churches could not be all true churches of Christ, because of their opposing beliefs. From among them, we should find the true one. The truth is only one but the lies are many.
Hi limjunus,
Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,17:46) lmj Quote preached by the preachers sent by God. the scriptures today are the preacher, all the contributors are asigned apostles ,directed by the holy spirit ,the spirit of truth,
show me one man today with those qualifications
name him if you know ONEhand you never aswered my question : WHAT HIS THAT PREACHER TEACH BESIDE WHAT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES ANYWAY
Terraricca,Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God?
The holy scriptures is the “blue print” to be used by the preachers sent by God, in our time and not to be the preachers.
As what the holy scriptures saying: “before they can call they must believe, but how they could believe without hearing,.. how they can be heard without the preachers,.. and how they can preach except they be sent,?… faith comes from hearing the words of Christ…” Book of Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV.
The true preachers must be based their teaching from the holy scriptures, because the holy scriptures is the works of the sent by God.
The holy scriptures doesn't mean and it doesn't says that we just only by reading it then we can obtained the truth.
The holy scriptures is clearly saying that there are selected people can understand the knowledge or the mystery of the kingdom of God. Ref: Matthew 24:14 RSV.
For those people “outside” the church, called outsiders, everything were in parables.
You must be one among the insiders, then you will know the mystery of the kingdom of God.
I am hoping that the above post information can help you a lots.
My time is limited. I almost 6-hours with this sharing scheme, I need to go and be back later.
God bless you.
limjunus,Oct. wrote:[/quote]
Thank you LJQuote You have been forgotten that the church of Christ is the truth of God, and she is the pillar and the foundation of the truth.
From my understanding, I have always thought that the 12 apostles were the pillar and foundation of the truth, with Christ being the first cornerstone laid.
I understand that from this scriptureRevelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had TWELVE FOUNDATIONS, and in them the names of the TWELVE APOSTLES of the Lamb.
Christ set the example for the twelve apostles, they were hand picked by him, and they being men, forsaking all that they had in the world, hold us up also. They were willing, and did go all the way for Christ, through persecutions, and even till death. To me, they are an example to us, that it can be done. Pure worship, faith and trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. I think they are the pillars and foundations, not us. We are the body, yes, but not the pillars. They hold us up. We hear them, and then we encourage others, so we part of the body. We are held up as if they were here with us today.
Quote Do you had any verse of the Holy Scriptures that the true church of Christ is no longer necessary for the salvation of our souls? I have this verse
John 7:37 If any man thirst, let him come unto ME, and drink.
JOHN 7:37 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, OUT OF HIS BELLY SHALL FLOW RIVERS OF LIVING WATERS.Believing on Christ is not just saying I believe he is the Son of God, or I believe he died for our sins, but going even further, and believing all that he spoke and advised, by learning it, and living it. Living waters are truth. If we drink from him, we will have truth flowing out of us. This is an individual thing. Not a group thing. Every man has his own personal walk in the Lord. Some feed on him more than others, some less..every man has his own measure.
LJ, there are a few who have desired to know their Lord, and their God, and have dedicated years to search him out. Christ said to feed on his flesh. This is solid pure meat, straight from Christ, from his Word. So if we understand his speech, for the message here is very deep, and we feed on him, then what do we have? The very thing he said he would give us, …the holy spirit. And the holy spirit guides us to all truth. It gives us understanding of the holy scriptures, not all in one go, but little by little, adding to our knowledge as we grow.
What I am trying to say, is that there are labourers also, that do not belong to a church organisation….But labourers in the body of Christ, spreading the message to everyday people, to family, to neighbours to teachers, to strangers, and to each other. Don't underestimate. If one has knowledge in the scriptures, then that one has been annointed by God regardless. We don't go around saying I've been annointed, I am holy, the Lord has chosen me, no..instead we give truth, because we have been weaned off the milk and we understand the scriptures and the whole plan of God. We are ready to preach, ready to answer in season and out of season. If we don't know something, we find out by searching the scriptures. This is how we judge. We are allowed to judge if a church is preaching the truth. We are armed with knowledge, not going in there blind.
And we not to think to highly of ourselves also. For in the end God will declare who was sent by him.
God bless.Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,15:44) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,17:46) lmj Quote preached by the preachers sent by God. the scriptures today are the preacher, all the contributors are asigned apostles ,directed by the holy spirit ,the spirit of truth,
show me one man today with those qualifications
name him if you know ONEhand you never aswered my question : WHAT HIS THAT PREACHER TEACH BESIDE WHAT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES ANYWAY
Terraricca,Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God?
The holy scriptures is the “blue print” to be used by the preachers sent by God, in our time and not to be the preachers.
As what the holy scriptures saying: “before they can call they must believe, but how they could believe without hearing,.. how they can be heard without the preachers,.. and how they can preach except they be sent,?… faith comes from hearing the words of Christ…” Book of Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV.
The true preachers must be based their teaching from the holy scriptures, because the holy scriptures is the works of the sent by God.
The holy scriptures doesn't mean and it doesn't says that we just only by reading it then we can obtained the truth.
The holy scriptures is clearly saying that there are selected people can understand the knowledge or the mystery of the kingdom of God. Ref: Matthew 24:14 RSV.
For those people “outside” the church, called outsiders, everything were in parables.
You must be one among the insiders, then you will know the mystery of the kingdom of God.
I am hoping that the above post information can help you a lots.
My time is limited. I almost 6-hours with this sharing scheme, I need to go and be back later.
God bless you.
limjso you do not know any church your self ,you just kind of preach what you believe should be or do you have convinced your mind that you are that preacher and that church
limj
Quote Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God? Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
the entire NT his their message of all they have witnessed with Christ
Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 20 2012,21:07) Are you a pastor?
Sister J42,I am not a Pastor.
I am just mere believer of Christ Jesus and his gospel.
Doing my very best to live according to his will and sharing to others the very precious and priceless truth I hath received from him through his commissioned preacher/s with a very strong testimony of divine credential from the sacred christian-Jews documents.
I have spend most of my valuable time in sharing the good news of salvation, the kingdom of God, here on earth, if possible to all the people in a given and proper moment.
I do believe that one of the noble and very important duty for being the true believer of Christ Jesus, is to share his truth at any rate and any cost.
I had received it free and I must share it free either.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
limjunus?Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,17:46) lmj hand you never aswered my question : WHAT HIS THAT PREACHER TEACH BESIDE WHAT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES ANYWAY
Terraricca,Please can you be specific with your questions?
In my understanding you have two questions.
One is, “WHAT HIS THAT PREACHER TEACH?” ……… and…
My answer is, “He is preaching the rightful and just meaning of the words (gospel) of God.
Two is, “BESIDE WHAT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES ANYWAY
“My answer is, “The “real” truth of God, that the sole true preachers sent by God, can preach rightfully. (Book of Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV)
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,17:51) LIMJ Quote Terraricca, do you have verses from the Bible that “for only just reading the Bible”, we can obtain the Holy Spirit and we do not need to hear the words of God, from the preachers sent by Him? Bring it here so that I can study it very well.
FIRST i NEVER SAY THAT ; so stop putting words in my mouth that I have never said,I study the scriptures in many different ways ,and this for over 50 years because I believe that the bible his the word of God,I HAVE ACCUMULATE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO NOT LET ME FALL IN THE DECEIVER HANDS ,YOU STILL ACT AS A MIND SWEEPER
Terraricca,I did not said that you are saying the phrases I have post as a question to you.
You did not said it the same but indirectly.
Here is your previous post. Quote: “WE ARE THOSE WHO ARE IN RECIEVERSHIP OF THAT MESSAGE AND THE APOSTLES ARE THE MAIN PILLARS OF CHRIST CHURCH,NO MEN CAN REPLACE THERE MESSAGE BECAUSE THEY HAVE GIVEN THAT MESSAGE UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ,
How did you received the messages from the apostles, by just only reading the holy scriptures or someone had preached it to you? Is your preacher passed the test given by the holy scriptures that he must sent by God, with the “testimony of the prophecy?
Studying the Bible in 50 or more years and believing that the Bible is the words of God, by and through reading is not the right way and not in accordance with the will of God.
Believing rightfully (faith) is comes from hearing the words of God and not by reading alone.
Read the very strong testimony of the holy scriptures in the book of Romans 10:13-15, 17. Verse 13 to 15, it is categorically described step by steps. Forwardly and reversely it shall come the same procedures.
Reversely: Only the preachers sent by God, can preach the words of God,… without the preachers how the people can hear the gospel,… hearing the gospel produce believers,.. believer can call the name of the Lord,… then everyone called the Lord, shall be saved.
You can not just set aside that truth, Terraricca.
God bless you.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,18:00) With the exception of the true church of Christ. Please, see the holy testimony of the scriptures. Ref: Acts 4:34-35 NKJV.
Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold
35 and laid them down at the apostles’ feet. And distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.Can you oppose the above truth, Terraricca?[/quote]
lIMJ
yes I can ;
Terraricca,OMG! Are you okay?
Admitting that you can oppose the words of God, written in the Holy Scriptures in the Book of Acts 4:34-35 NKJV. is like crushing the truth of God.
May the Lord God, lightening your herat.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,18:09) limj Quote The Holy Spirit can be obtained after we have believed to the words of God, preached by the preachers sent by God. Read back the very essential references: Books of Romans 10:13-15, 17 NKJV and this very much important also. Ac 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Ac 2:39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
Ac 2:40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
Ac 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.everyone of those people were Jews or Jew prozelites from all the nations and all were devoted to the God,of Israel
Terraricca,First, they have received the messages (words) of God through and from the true preacher (Peter) sent by God, without believing repentance could not be required. Therefore peter told them, “repent believers and be baptized, then they shall received the holy spirit.”
You can not set aside the truth of hearing the words of God, through and from the true preachers sent by God.
The Bible is very much silent with the “bravely teaching of the other people by saying that “just only reading the Bible we can obtained the whole truth of God, and we will be saved.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,18:12) limj Quote that the true preachers sent by God, shall not hiding the truth and the essential name of God. Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.
one question :WHAT TRUTH IS THERE BESIDE THE HOLY SCRIPTURES
Terraricca,Obviously and we could not be denied, the so called many christian people, groups, denominations has the same stand with regards to the Holy Scriptures. They admittedly it as the truth of God.
But, it is also obviously and it is a fact that they could not be united in given the true meaning of some of the context written therein.
The other said, we need to be part or be the member of the church of Christ to obtain the forgiveness of our sins. Some christian groups said, No need,.. just accept that Jesus Christ is your personal savior and Lord, no need to be the member of any church then we will be saved. and another christian denomination said, No! if you will not observe the Sabbath day and be the Seventh Day Adventist, you shall not be the true church of Christ. I will not mention the other beliefs, may be I could not finish my post for tonight.
The true preachers sent by God, has the holy instrument of God, to know the true meaning of the words of God. The Holy Spirit is their guidance counselor. The Holy Spirit sent by God to be with them shall be the one to teach them what to do and what to says.
If the preachers did not sent by God, do you think they have the holy spirit?
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed j,read back with my post no. 527. The answer is within.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Is your answer “Yes” then?Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 22 2012,00:11) limjunus,Oct. wrote:[/quote]
Thank you LJQuote You have been forgotten that the church of Christ is the truth of God, and she is the pillar and the foundation of the truth.
From my understanding, I have always thought that the 12 apostles were the pillar and foundation of the truth, with Christ being the first cornerstone laid.
I understand that from this scripture
Sister J42,The apostles are only part of the church of Christ.
Here is very strong testimony of the holy scriptures concerning the apostles.
28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. Ref: 1 Cor. 12:28 NKJV.
The Holy Scriptures is loudly voicing that the church is the pillar and the foundation of the truth.
15but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Ref: 1 Timothy 3:15 NKJV.Compare your own understanding and thoughts with the above mentioned truth from the Bible itself.
Do not be deceived by your own ideas, please rely with the announcement of the Holy Scriptures.
May the Lord God, bless you.
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