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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,15:03) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 20 2012,09:54) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,00:19) why would I look for something I already have 
Terraricca,Really,the church which you are belong to, is the true church of Christ?
What is the name of the church are you belonging to, she must be the church of Christ?
lmjyes it his the church of Christ that is in heaven and that is where I stand before his throne here on earth the foot stool of God almighty
Terraricca,Where is your Bible verses to back-up your claim?
Where is the Holy Statement that the church of Christ is already in heaven?
How can you be a part of the church of Christ in heaven if you are standing here on earth.
You can part of the church of Christ, if the church is here on earth as the kingdom of the son of God.
Remember the Christ prophesied concerning the true church will be?
Here is the back-up verse as the strong support to what I am sharing with you. Ref: John 10:16 ERV.
“I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice.
In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd”The future church, will listen also with the same voice, the the words of Jesus Christ, meant: the same doctrines of the 1st century church of Christ.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 20 2012,11:16) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,15:01) being secterian would also make a true Christian become a whore
Terraricca,As what always said, be specific with the issues.
Do not just says it. You need to back-up it by the verses from the Bible with clear messages.
If you are using the verse from the Bible, you must placed your understanding to what it really says and not just showing it. So that I can comprehend your understanding if it is relevant or not.
Example:
“Phil 3:6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.”
What do you mean with it? you did not give your understanding with the above verse.
What do you mean “for being sectarian would also make a true christian, a whore?
You have no back-up explanations with the verses. You just posting your own conclusions and ideas and not the conclusions and not the designed ideas of the Bible.
Show me the verses that the church of Christ is no more with her existing nowadays and show me the messages from the Bible that the church is no longer necessary for our salvation, can you?
MT 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”Quote “Phil 3:6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.” What do you mean with it? you did not give your understanding with the above verse.
I did not quote that scriptures above as you say
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 20 2012,11:32) Terrarica, If you do not mind, are one among the so called, “Jehova Witnesses”?
you ask me if I am a JW ,NO if I did I would have a earthly church right ???but I do not have a earthly church guided by menQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,16:41) MT 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”
Terraricca,It does not make sense.
Many people in this world proclaiming that there were gathering in the name of Christ Jesus.
Catholic, Protestants, Mormons and many other professing christian groups or denominations were gathering in the name of Christ Jesus, do you mean they were true church of Christ, even thought they have their own contradictions ideas, some believing that the one only true God, is composed of three persons, some semi-trinitarian proclaiming the the God has two persons, some are Unitarian but also believing that the Son is also truly God/god, beside his Father?
The instruction of Jesus Christ is designated for his chosen people inside his church and not for the outsiders.
The Matthew 18:20 is the instruction intended to his disciples with one beliefs (one spirit) and not for the people outside his church. (people belong to other churches with their own made doctrines that's contradict each other; not uniform and not in unity with their beliefs)
The true church of Christ had their common beliefs, in unity with one spirit (doctrines) preached by the true preachers sent and commissioned by God, united and members in particular in only one body or church.
He said to them, “The secret of God’s kingdom has been given to you, but to those who are outside everything comes in parables.
He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secret[a] of the Kingdom of God. But I use parables for everything I say to outsiders, Mark 4:11 NLT
Therefore, to understand the secret of the kingdom of God, you must be inside the church of Christ. You should not be one among the outsiders or else you will be judged by God.
As what the Bible testimony: Ref: 1 Cor. 5:13 NLV.
God will judge those outside the church. So you must put that sinful person out of your church.
Is that doesn't clear to you, wakeup?
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,16:43) you ask me if I am a JW ,NO if I did I would have a earthly church right ???but I do not have a earthly church guided by men
Terraricca,Therefore, which denomination you are belong to? … and ….
do you mean that true church of Christ could not be found here on earth; that there is no visible and physically group of human kind, called the “church”, the chosen people of God, in this world?
Where is your back-up verses to prove that the true church of Christ is in heaven?
Do you mean that the established church by Christ in the 1st century, was already brought-up in heaven?
Can you show me your supporting verses about it.
There is a visible and physically true church of Christ, even though she is guided by men but with the supervisions and authority from God.
Christ Jesus is a man whom the church has been established, apostles are men whom the church has been administered, people are men whom such should be saved has been added to the church by God. (Ref: Acts 2:47 NKJV)
As what we have learned, they were many churches guided and lead by men alone, meaning: false churches but there must be one true church of Christ and it is visible and physically present in this world.
So, what is your point, are you one of the so called by the Bible the outsiders?
In that case, you shall be one among the people to be judged by God, because you are outside the church of Christ.
God will judge those outside the church. So you must put that sinful person out of your church. Ref: 1 Cor. 5:13 NLV.
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 24 2012,17:54) Romans 10:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The step by step procedure before we can be saved.
The very essential procedures in making us the true believers of Christ.
Isn't this a quote from the OT? Joel I think.And, in the OT, in the original writing, they use Gods name YhWH, not LORD. The same scripture from Joel is also quoted in acts.
“There is a visible and physically true church of Christ, even though she is guided by men but with the supervisions and authority from God.”
I have not been paying attention. Did you say who phthisic true church is yet?
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,16:43) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 20 2012,11:32) Terrarica, If you do not mind, are one among the so called, “Jehova Witnesses”?
you ask me if I am a JW ,NO if I did I would have a earthly church right ???but I do not have a earthly church guided by men
No, that doesn't seem right.Terraricca and wakeup,
Browse the topic. Plenty of questions has been set aside and need to be answered….. and … many proofs has been required but failed to show it.
I'd been waiting for it but if you can not provided it, just set aside it and continue with our sharing.
God bless you.
Quote Your very and arguments were not in accord with the words of God. Greetings LJ,
I don't need scripture to show you that the name and the man “Jesus Christ”, has gone down in history. You cannot deny this. Everybody has heard of him.
If we want to find out more about him, we get hold of a bible, for this is the only place where one can meditate on his message, and word. This is our source, the bible contains the word of God, and we feed on this word. This word then gets imprinted onto our hearts, and it goes everywhere with us, in every decision we make.
If we tell people that they do not need to read the very words spoken to us, and the only place where we can find salvation is in a church then we do God a disservice.
for we then forget this messageActs 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
This is our teacher;
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
These very words written and recorded for us already, are distributed world wide. We are to feed on the words recorded in the holy scriptures, for his words are alive, and bring life. Without them, we would not know the difference between good and evil, and what is acceptable and not acceptable to God.but you are saying, no we must find a church which preaches the truth! By saying this you are denying the power of God and his word? Are you saying that the holy scriptures cannot change a man? Cannot touch his conscience, cannot show him things he never knew? Cannot give us spiritual knowledge, or the only meat Christ told us to eat?
Do you realise how many churches there are out there, and all the different doctrines of lies?
To tell someone this, is just sending him to the slaughter.
For one that has no knowledge, will be filled with all sorts of junk. If you want to be a true disciple, buy that person a bible with your own money, tell him to start reading the gospels, help him if he has questions, and tell him to read it daily, and to get as much of the word in as possible, for the days are short, and going to church only once a week will not teach you much, nor satisfy your soul.Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
We come to Christ. His flesh is meat. Spiritual meat which is Spiritual food. The very words he spoke were recorded for us. If we choose another flesh, then we have no life in us. For many come preaching Christ, but they are men ordained by men, and not God. And how do we know?, for some of us that have been feeding on the flesh of Christ, can discern if a doctrine does not belong to Christ. We can identify truth from lies by what comes out of a preachers mouth, and we learn by a church's doctrine whether their are lies sown in amongst the truth. We have the word with us, in print, and in our hearts. We have done our own homework on the Word, and we know more than most, including preachers, and did not have a church teach us one iota of what we know.
THIS IS HOW WE KNOW.
The holy spirit is our teacher.No glory to us, but glory to God who gives freely to all who truly seek his word.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,17:52) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 24 2012,17:54) Romans 10:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The step by step procedure before we can be saved.
The very essential procedures in making us the true believers of Christ.
Isn't this a quote from the OT? Joel I think.And, in the OT, in the original writing, they use Gods name YhWH, not LORD. The same scripture from Joel is also quoted in acts.
Welcome David,The issue is the “messenger of God” and we are not discussing the name of God.
Focus with the issue, the importance of the true preachers sent by God. and the relevant issue with the true church of Christ.
Thank you and feel at home.
Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,17:54) I have not been paying attention. Did you say who phthisic true church is yet?
David,What do you mean really, can you elaborate it?
be specific with your term, please.
Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,18:01) Is there a difference between the church if Christ and the “Christian church”? [correction: church of Christ and not church if Christ]
David,We must be specific with our phrases so that we could not be confused.
Church of Christ is Biblical and the word christian church, nowhere to be found in the Bible, but commonly admitted/ accepted by the Bible Scholars as the same of church of Christ with the concept of Christ's believers/ disciples; means: followers of Christ doctrines.
The direct difference with the words (church of Christ and christian church) is, “the later one could not be found in the Bible.”
Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,18:12) It makes sense to begin by asking this to the messengers of God: What specifically is your message?
David,Find the true preachers sent by God, nowadays with his divine credential, the pattern to determine which is the true preachers, specially made by God.
Ref: Isaiah 8:20 NKJV / Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 NKJV.
Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 20 2012,18:03) Greetings LJ, [a.] If we want to find out more about him, we get hold of a bible, for this is the only place where one can meditate on his message, and word.
This is our source, the bible contains the word of God, and we feed on this word. This word then gets imprinted onto our hearts, and it goes everywhere with us, in every decision we make.
[c.] If we tell people that they do not need to read the very words spoken to us, and the only place where we can find salvation is in a church then we do God a disservice.
for we then forget this message
Sister Journey42,Acknowledging your greetings.
comment with [a.]
But the Bible is silent that it is enough for us to just read the printed words of God (Bible)then period. The Bible is voicing loud that we should to be heard His words from the preacher whom he had sent. (Ref: Book of Isaiah 8:20 and Book of Romans 10;14-15, 17 NKJV/ John 3:34 NCV).
[/B]The One whom God sent speaks the words of God, because God gives him the Spirit fully. The true preachers sent by God, did not just read but spoken the words of God, to the concern people.
Comment for
Imprinted unto our hearts by whom?
The words of God, could be imprinted into our hearts not by just our own reading and after reading we are going to hold on and believing to what we have understood accompany by our own conclusion without hearing it from the so called preachers sent by God. We should not hold on with our own ideas and ways of thinking, we need to obey and surrender our will with what the words of God, commanding us to follow. The will of God, must be prevail. Here is the God's will.
and before they can believe in him, they must hear about him; and for them to hear about the Lord, someone must tell them;15 and before someone can go and tell them, that person must be sent.
17 So, faith comes from listening, but it’s listening by means of Christ’s message.
Faith or beliefs comes from hearing, listening the words of God, preached by the messenger/s truly sent by God, and not by just reading the Bible. The words of God, could be printed in our hearts by listening to the gospel preached by the true preachers of God, after we have believe to what we have heard, the holy spirit will be sealed to us.
Here is another God's will. Ref: Eph 1:13 GNT.
And you also became God's people when you heard the true message, the Good News that brought you salvation. You believed in Christ, and God put his stamp of ownership on you by giving you the Holy Spirit he had promised.
Therefore, just reading the Bible is not the will of God, to become the chosen people of God.
Comment for [c.]
The Bible did not said, that the people should not read the Bible. We can read the Bible freely, but it is not the only way to have the right understanding with the will of God.
The Bible also did not says, that the church is the only place where we can get the salvation of our souls. Do not misunderstood it. Salvation is composed of many factors; God's plans, the righteousness of God, through the gospel, holy man as the savior, hearing the gospel, true preachers and the church.
What is the very importance of the church in terms of hearing the wisdom of God? Here is the will of God. Ref: Eph. 3:10 CEB.
God’s purpose is now to show the rulers and powers in the heavens the many different varieties of his wisdom through the church.
What is the essential of the church in terms of salvation? Here is another God's will. Ref: Eph. 5:23 GNT.
For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.
“Take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God which He hath purchased with His own blood[/B]
Do not despise or discard the will of God, we must surrender our own will to the will of God.
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