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Quote (t8 @ Oct. 17 2012,18:52) limjunus, do you belong to a KJV only denomination?
t8,My answer is “nope”.
I am belong to the believers of Christ and his gospel through his foretold messenger, the true preachers sent by God, with a very strong divine credential based with the unique pattern of God, to determine the true preachers of the words of God.
Are you talking about the preachers of old, or are you including certain preachers today. If the latter, who?
limj
Quote Here is the truth: You need Christ, you must be in his his wife, the church. Christ is the savior of the church, his wife or his body. there are only 144k that are part of the bride but their are many guests that are invited to the wedding ,
and the ones that are part of the bride are different of those that are invited as guest ,
sinse you are implying that their is a true church today why is it you do not tell us who she his
i am cureous now
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 18 2012,23:02) Are you talking about the preachers of old, or are you including certain preachers today. If the latter, who?
t8,The old preachers were all gone, I am talking about the prophesied/predestined preachers sent by God, in our times; with the divine credential according to the unique pattern made by God. As what the Holy documents says: Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 and Book of Isaiah 8:20.
You have a very essential obligation for the sake of your soul to find the true preachers here on earth nowadays and the Merciful God, shall bring you with them if you hath fully convinced Him that you are sincere with your heart and with your soul in seeking His kingdom.
I will not tell you exactly which one among so many preachers nowadays in this world the true preacher of the word of God and belong to Christ.
Find them by yourself and if you really and sincere with your heart in finding the true preachers, God know's what is in your heart, then He will guide you to the right one.
As what the Holy documents says: Jeremiah 6:16 (NLT)
This is what the Lord says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around (check the different christian denominations). Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. (Original way and original christian doctrines) Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want! (for those people with stone hearts and having self pride)
People nowadays were filled with many reasoning; busy about the worldly matters; lazy in seeking the kingdom of God; doubtful and majority have no time for God's matter; they do not want to listen and obey the commandments of God.
Here is the very commandment of God, that they did not take seriously:ignoring the promises blessing after obeying it.
Matthew 6:31-34 (NLT)
“So don’t worry about these things, saying, ‘What will we eat? What will we drink? What will we wear?’ 32. These things dominate the thoughts of unbelievers, but your heavenly Father already knows all your needs. 33. Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.”
Therefore do not be lazy, go and seek it with all your heart, hard effort and power.
God bless you.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 19 2012,03:23) there are only 144k that are part of the bride but their are many guests that are invited to the wedding , sinse you are implying that their is a true church today why is it you do not tell us who she his
i am cureous now
Terraricca,The 144K are the true believers of Christ taken into the 1st century church from the twelve tribes of Israel; (Rev. 7:4 NKJV) They were not belong to the false churches (women represent churches). As what the Holy Scriptures described it not literally but symbolically.
Apocalypse 14:4 (KNOX)
“These have kept their virginity undefiled by the touch of woman; these are the Lamb’s attendants, wherever he goes; these have been ransomed for God and the Lamb as the first-fruits of mankind.”
As what I have shared with my previous posting. I am not the one to bring you to the true church, the body of Christ.
Only the Father in heaven shall be the one to bring you to Christ.
Here is the testimony of the Bible.
“John 6:44 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
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The Father is the one who sent me, and he is the one who brings people to me. I will raise them up on the last day. Anyone the Father does not bring to me cannot come to meIf I will tell you which church is it,.. you can not come to Christ. (Christ is in heaven sitting at the right hand of God). So therefore, God shall bring man to the church, because the church is the body of Christ here on earth. If you are in the body of Christ, which meant, you are in Christ's.
So, how the Father can bring the man to Christ's body?
The answer of the Holy Scriptures is, “2 Thessalonians 2:14 (KJ21)
whereunto He called you by our Gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
We must hear the gospel and it must heard from the true preacher sent by God. (Ref: Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV)
Romans 10:14-15
New Living Translation (NLT)
14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!”Romans 10:17
New Living Translation (NLT)
17 So faith comes from hearing, that is, hearing the Good News about Christ.You should not base your judgement by your own ideas. You can not determine which is right and which is in error. You must listen the gospel from the true preacher, then God is calling you.
The true church is the pillar and the foundation of the truth.
One among so many called churches of Christ nowadays, is the true church of Christ.
What we must to do is, to convince the Father, that we are really sincere with our hearts in seeking His kingdom here on earth.
Then He will guide us from the hands of the so called false preachers and false prophets to the kingdom of His begotten Son, Christ Jesus.
The old preachers were all gone, I am talking about the prophesied/predestined preachers sent by God, in our times; with the divine credential according to the unique pattern made by God. As what the Holy documents says: Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 and Book of Isaiah 8:20.
You have a very essential obligation for the sake of your soul to find the true preachers here on earth nowadays and the Merciful God, shall bring you with them if you hath fully convinced Him that you are sincere with your heart and with your soul in seeking His kingdom.
I will not tell you exactly which one among so many preachers nowadays in this world the true preacher of the word of God and belong to Christ.
Find them by yourself and if you really and sincere with your heart in finding the true preachers, God know's what is in your heart, then He will guide you to the right one.
As what the Holy documents says: Jeremiah 6:16 (NLT)
This is what the Lord says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around (check the different christian denominations). Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. (Original way and original christian doctrines) Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want! (for those people with stone hearts and having self pride)
People nowadays were filled with many reasoning; busy about the worldly matters; lazy in seeking the kingdom of God; doubtful and majority have no time for God's matter; they do not want to listen and obey the commandments of God.
Here is the very commandment of God, that they did not take seriously:ignoring the promises blessing after obeying it.
Matthew 6:31-34 (NLT)
“So don’t worry about these things, saying, ‘What will we eat? What will we drink? What will we wear?’ 32. These things dominate the thoughts of unbelievers, but your heavenly Father already knows all your needs. 33. Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.”
Therefore do not be lazy, go and seek it with all your heart, hard effort and power.
God bless you all.
Terraricca,
The 144K are the true believers of Christ taken into the 1st century church from the twelve tribes of Israel; (Rev. 7:4 NKJV) They were not belong to the false churches (women represent churches). As what the Holy Scriptures described it not literally but symbolically.
Apocalypse 14:4 (KNOX)
“These have kept their virginity undefiled by the touch of woman; these are the Lamb’s attendants, wherever he goes; these have been ransomed for God and the Lamb as the first-fruits of mankind.”
The 144K 1st century church members were keeping their virginity meant, they were not belong to the followers of the latest “false churches”; they died as the true believers of Christ in his 1st century church. Then, after the 1st century church hath been apostatized (emptied with her true believers),the “Harlot”, the woman, representing the dirty church come out and claiming that she is the true church but did not carrying the truth of God, instead promoting the demons doctrines (1 Tim. 4:1-4 / Acts. 20:29-30)
Turning back to God, other meaning; “obeying other doctrines pretending from God, but in real it isn't from God”.
Satan is very clever and sending his angels around the whole world, pretending as the angel of God, professing preachers of the words of God, but in reality, there are not the preachers sent by God, they just pretending; they did not bear the divine credential from God, as what the Lord, saiid in the Book of Prophet Isaiah 8:20 and in the Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17.
[/B]Here is the very commandment of God, that they did not take seriously:ignoring the promises blessing after obeying it.
Matthew 6:31-34 (NLT)
“So don’t worry about these things, saying, ‘What will we eat? What will we drink? What will we wear?’ 32. These things dominate the thoughts of unbelievers, but your heavenly Father already knows all your needs. 33. Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.”
Christ Jesus, shall not do the instruction to all the seeker of the truth if we could not find the kingdom here on earth.
God, really has a kingdom here on earth and He is commanding us to find it first before anything else (meaning top of all the priority)
Here is the kingdom of God:
You made them to be a kingdom and to be priests for our God.
And they will rule on the earth.” Ref: Revelation 5:10Colossians 1:13 (ERV)
“God made us free from the power of darkness. And he brought us into the kingdom of his dear Son.
Acts 2:47 (KJ21)
“praising God and having favor with all the people. [/I][/U]And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”[U]
The true believers of Christ which we could be found out in his church, has been made kingdom of the son of God, here on earth.
Acts 2:47 (KJ21)
“praising God and having favor with all the people.And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”
God shall be the one to bring (adding) people to be saved into to the church, which headed by Christ. (Col. 1:18 / 1 Cor. 12:27)
What is the essence, what is the importance of the church built by Christ, if the people is disregarding, set aside and despising it? ….
but for God, the church is very much essential for the forgiveness of our sins; the church is shield from separation with Christ.
That is why a man will leave his father and mother and will cling to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. 32 Yes, those words are a high mystery, and I am applying them here to Christ and his Church
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 19 2012,03:23) sinse you are implying that their is a true church today why is it you do not tell us who she his i am cureous now
Terraricca,I am doing my very best not to promote a certain church, except the true church belong to Christ, that the reason why I do not want to tell exactly which really she is?
Do not be curious, what I need from you is just to have your own initiative to find her.
To all,
Every human kind, regardless of his/her religious denominations were having troubles or problems in this life.
Riches and poor, big and little, kings and servants, educated and uneducated, wises and fools are facing the sadness and the joyful moment of their lives; hardship or hardworking are not the anti-dote to human problems, including the fear of death.. it will ago along until we have died.
The very big problem that we could not be escaped, the life after death.
Here is the very strong evidences and has been recorded in the Holy Testament. The anti-dote to all the problems of our lives. The ultimate solution to all of our problems.
Revelation 21:1-4 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea.
2 And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them; and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away.”The one new man, the Christ and his wife (the church), the second man (Christ and his church) citizenship is in heaven, the great wedding day; the new man shall be united with the bride, the new Jerusalem, the holy city made by the hands of God; the dwelling place for the chosen people of God.
God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 19 2012,13:20) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 19 2012,03:23) sinse you are implying that their is a true church today why is it you do not tell us who she his i am cureous now
Terraricca,I am doing my very best not to promote a certain church, except the true church belong to Christ, that the reason why I do not want to tell exactly which really she is?
Do not be curious, what I need from you is just to have your own initiative to find her.
limjQuote The true believers of Christ which we could be found out in his church, has been made kingdom of the son of God, here on earth. Quote The 144K are the true believers of Christ taken into the 1st century church from the twelve tribes of Israel; (Rev. 7:4 NKJV) They were not belong to the false churches (women represent churches). As what the Holy Scriptures described it not literally but symbolically. Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.now you say that the number of the redeemed 144k his symbolic,Rev 14 to me does not agree with you ,
Quote Terraricca, I am doing my very best not to promote a certain church, except the true church belong to Christ, that the reason why I do not want to tell exactly which really she is?
Do not be curious, what I need from you is just to have your own initiative to find her.
why would I look for something I already have
if you are stopped by given the name of that today true church it must be not the true one ,the true one is flowing through the world and many do not even see it or ear it ,
your composition of your scriptures presentation to backup your way of toughts his killing Paul and Peter and Jesus words in other verses ,
Lk 21:35 For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
Lk 21:36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,00:19) now you say that the number of the redeemed 144k his symbolic,Rev 14 to me does not agree with you ,
Terraricca,I did not say that the number 144K is a symbolic. I am telling the symbolical words is the “These are those who did not defile themselves with women,“
To make sure with our comprehension, here is the evidence: “not all the converted believers of Jesus from Israel races (Jews) are single; some of them were married. Ref: Acts. 24:24 ERV.
After a few days Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was a Jew. Felix asked for Paul to be brought to him. He listened to Paul talk about believing in Christ Jesus.
“women” symbolizing a churches. During the 1st century, there was no other church, except the church of Christ. When the church of Christ hath apostatized, then the other churches (false churches of Christ of false Christ) had emerged in this world.
The true church of Christ is a clean church. As what the Bible testimony: Eph. 5:27 NKJV.
that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.
The 144K .. did not defile themselves with women.. meant, did not affected by the false churches (the harlot church).
So, we are now clear with the issue about the words ” did not defile themselves with women.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,00:19) why would I look for something I already have
Terraricca,Really,the church which you are belong to, is the true church of Christ?
What is the name of the church are you belonging to, she must be the church of Christ?
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 20 2012,09:46) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,00:19) now you say that the number of the redeemed 144k his symbolic,Rev 14 to me does not agree with you ,
Terraricca,I did not say that the number 144K is a symbolic. I am telling the symbolical words is the “These are those who did not defile themselves with women,“
To make sure with our comprehension, here is the evidence: “not all the converted believers of Jesus from Israel races (Jews) are single; some of them were married. Ref: Acts. 24:24 ERV.
After a few days Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was a Jew. Felix asked for Paul to be brought to him. He listened to Paul talk about believing in Christ Jesus.
“women” symbolizing a churches. During the 1st century, there was no other church, except the church of Christ. When the church of Christ hath apostatized, then the other churches (false churches of Christ of false Christ) had emerged in this world.
The true church of Christ is a clean church. As what the Bible testimony: Eph. 5:27 NKJV.
that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.
The 144K .. did not defile themselves with women.. meant, did not affected by the false churches (the harlot church).
So, we are now clear with the issue about the words ” did not defile themselves with women.
no ,to me it is literal it says it twise ,Rev;7 and 14,the women would be symbolic only if they follow and preach lies;
REV 14:4 These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.
REV 14:5 And no lie was found in their mouth; they are blameless.AC 24:16 “In view of this, I also do my best to maintain always a blameless conscience both before God and before men.
1CO 1:8 who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
EPH 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
EPH 5:27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.
Phil 1:10 so that you may approve the things that are excellent, in order to be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ;
Phil 2:15 so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world,
Phil 3:6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.
COL 1:22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
2PE 3:14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
JUDE 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,being secterian would also make a true Christian become a whore
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 20 2012,09:54) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,00:19) why would I look for something I already have
Terraricca,Really,the church which you are belong to, is the true church of Christ?
What is the name of the church are you belonging to, she must be the church of Christ?
lmjyes it his the church of Christ that is in heaven and that is where I stand before his throne here on earth the foot stool of God almighty
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,00:19) if you are stopped by given the name of that today true church it must be not the true one ,the true one is flowing through the world and many do not even see it or ear it ,
Terraricca,The Holy Scriptures already revealed to us that she is the body of Christ, the church. In other words, the church of Christ.
The problem of the people is the confusions made by Satan. Beside of apostatizing the 1st century true church of Christ, the devil established also many churches and name them church of Christ…. creating confusing to the seekers of the true church
[/U]But, among the so called churches of Christ nowadays, only one is the true church belong to Christ.
As what Christ Jesus prophesied: Ref: John 10:16 ERV.
I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
“In the future there will be one church and one shepherd”
The 1st century church of Christ was already restored and now is in her present existing, together with her original doctrines and the manifold wisdom of God, could made known by her to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places.
” to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, Ref: Ephessians 3:10 NKJV.
The manifold wisdom of God, could be revealed through the church and whom from the church shall be the speaker?
Here is the clear answer from the Bible: Ref: Col. 1:25 GW.
“I became a servant of the church when God gave me the work of telling you his entire message.
The servant from within the church, shall be the one to spoke the entire words of God.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,00:19) your composition of your scriptures presentation to backup your way of toughts his killing Paul and Peter and Jesus words in other verses , Lk 21:35 For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
Terraricca,Which one among the Bible messages I had presented that contradict the teaching of Jesus, Paul and Peter?
Be specific with the issue you are trying to portrait, so that I could rely correctly with.
All the Bible verses I had presented were in accordance with Jesus, Paul and Peter teaching. How come you are telling now that my Bible presentation is killing them all messages
It is not my own thoughts. The verses are very clear, self explanatory and emphatically statements.
As what I have post, do not believe for what I am presenting if it is just only from my own crafted lessons, utterances and the sources is from my own ideas.
I do not want to spend my precious and valuable time just for my own crafted ideas, it useless and futile.
I am sharing the words of God, and not mine.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,00:19) Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. Mt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Terraricca,Yeah, the very verses are right. (Matthew 24:23-24)
That's why we should not just believe. We must be careful and test the spirit, it is really comes from God or not.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2012,15:01) being secterian would also make a true Christian become a whore
Terraricca,As what always said, be specific with the issues.
Do not just says it. You need to back-up it by the verses from the Bible with clear messages.
If you are using the verse from the Bible, you must placed your understanding to what it really says and not just showing it. So that I can comprehend your understanding if it is relevant or not.
Example:
“Phil 3:6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.”
What do you mean with it? you did not give your understanding with the above verse.
What do you mean “for being sectarian would also make a true christian, a whore?
You have no back-up explanations with the verses. You just posting your own conclusions and ideas and not the conclusions and not the designed ideas of the Bible.
Show me the verses that the church of Christ is no more with her existing nowadays and show me the messages from the Bible that the church is no longer necessary for our salvation, can you?
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