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February 6, 2013 at 4:37 am#352740

limjunus

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LMJ

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You are not part of the body of Christ and not must members in particulars. 1 Cor. 12:27 KJV.

1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
1Co 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
1Co 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues ? Do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts.

Love

And now I will show you the most excellent way.
1Co 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
1Co 13:5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

LIKE I SAY AND SAY IT AGAIN “you are preaching deceit not TRUTH OF GOD ,

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Yes, you have a big problems. Because you have no overseers; you are out under the administration placing by God, in his church. Acts. 20:28 KJV.

do you see your deceit see what Jesus says ;MT 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”

why are you trying to deceive me with your miss representations of scriptures ,???

Dear Terraricca,

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do you see your deceit see what Jesus says ;MT 18:20 “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”

why are you trying to deceive me with your miss representations of scriptures ,???

What is your understanding with the Bible passages concerning the Matthew 18:20? … Do you mean any two or three group of persons gathering in the name of Christ Jesus, was acceptable with God?

There were many people all over the whole world have their own gathering in the name of Christ Jesus; with their own beliefs and they were contradicting doctrines against each other.

There were also many people gathering in the name of Christ Jesus, but has been leading by false preachers and false prophets. Acts 20:29-30 / 1 Tim 4:1-3

Therefore, not all 2 or 3 gathered in the name of Christ Jesus, is a justification to be in the right path or in the truth.

You must have the true knowledge given by and from God, to distinguish which group of 2 or 3 is acceptable and the right gathering with God.

God, is importance to the Church by recognizing her establishing the set of governance inside the Church.

1Co 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

February 6, 2013 at 4:52 am#352741

terraricca

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Quote (limjunus @ Feb. 05 2013,08:26)

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“28. “Take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the Church of Christwhich He hath purchased with His own blood.”

Acts 20:28 G. Lamsa Version

Lmj

you apply that scripture for your own interest ,I mean for advantaging your own sect ,and so do not care for the interest of Christ churche of those who have faith in him, all those actions make that you are an deceiver ,withou interest of the flock of Christ

Dear Terraricca,

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I am not the one telling regarding the Church of Christ. The Sacred Scriptures is the one telling it to us.

You are the one despising the Church built by Christ to save your soul.

Christ died for her. Acts 20:28 G. Lamsa Version

lmj

History and views

Lamsa was a member of the Assyrian Church of the East. He was a strong advocate of one of that Church's beliefs: Peshitta primacy (a form of Aramaic primacy). His hypothesis was that for the New Testament, the Peshitta was the original text, and the Greek version was translated from it. In support of this, he noted that Aramaic was the language of Jesus and the earliest Christians,[2] because of the historical fact that, according to Lamsa, “Aramaic was the colloquial and literary language of Palestine, Syria, Asia Minor and Mesopotamia, from the fourth century B. C. to the ninth century A. D.”[3]
Lamsa further claimed that while most of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the original was lost and the present Hebrew version, the Masoretic text, was re-translated from the Peshitta.[citation needed]
Lamsa produced his own translation of the Bible in the form of The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts, which is commonly called the Lamsa Bible.[4]
[edit]Translation of Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani
A notable difference between Lamsa's translation and other versions of the New Testament occurs in the fourth of the Words of Jesus on the cross – Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani. This is regarded by more conservative scholars as a quotation in Aramaic of the opening of Psalm 22, which in English is “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” This is similar to how the psalm appears in the Aramaic Peshitta Old Testament and it appears in earlier Aramaic Targums. Lamsa believed that the text of the Gospels was corrupt, and that it is not a quotation but should read /Eli, Eli, lemana shabaqthani, which he translates as: “My God, my God, for this I was spared!” An accompanying footnote in Lamsa's English version of the Bible explains Jesus's meaning as “This was my destiny.”
Aramaic grammars and dictionaries,[5] disagree with Lamsa's assertion about Jesus' last words, as the word שבקתני [shvaqtani] in Aramaic is the perfect 2nd person singular form of the verb שבק [shvaq] which means “to leave, to leave s.t. left over, to abandon,” or “to permit”[6] with the 1st person singular pronoun affixed. This would, in turn, cause the phrase to translate as “why have you left me?” “why have you let me be?” “why have you abandoned me?” or “why have you permitted me?”
[edit]Reception

Where many scholars hold that the sources of the New Testament and early oral traditions of fledgling Christianity were, indeed, in Aramaic, the Peshitta appears to have been strongly influenced by the Byzantine reading of the Greek manuscript tradition, and is in a dialect of Syriac that is much younger than that which was contemporary to Jesus.[7]
Critics of Lamsa assert that he, like many native speakers Aramaic, extend the semantic areas of words beyond the evidence of existent texts.[8]
Bruce Chilton, scholar and prominent Aramicist, has said:
“A still less defensible tendency confuses Aramaic of the first century with Syriac, a different form of the language. The approach of George Lamsa, who used the Peshitta Syriac version as an index of replicating Jesus’ teaching in Aramaic, has been taken up and popularized by Neil Douglas-Klotz. This approach willfully perpetuates a basic confusion of language, since Aramaic and Syriac come from different centuries and areas (although they are closely related Semitic languages), and is based on uncritical treatment of the Peshitta, a Syriac version of the Gospels.”[9]
In 1989 the Christian Evangelical apologetics research ministry Christian Research Institute asserted in a published review that several of Lamsa's theological positions and interpretations were not supported by the Bible. The review concludes by saying:
“On the surface, Lamsa appears to be a revealer of biblical truth and culture and a friend of evangelical Christianity. Closer study, however, has revealed that Lamsa promotes metaphysical, not evangelical teachings which have led him to inaccurate interpretations and translations of portions of the Bible. As an ambassador of Nestorian, not biblical culture, Lamsa became a cultic figure in his own right.” [10]
William M. Branham, evangelist and personal friend to Lamsa [11] has said:

this his the man you follow and this is your faith ,that man ,and his church,

do not tell me you have any truth ,you have none ,you proclaim deceit ,

there his no way to meet you are so blind that even if I would give you glasses you would use them to scrape the floor

your heart his sold to men and the devil ,only one came from God and that his Jesus Christ and he his alive and well ,

you can not say that about your man he is dead and so are his friends deceivers ,

I do not follow dead people ,got it

February 6, 2013 at 5:00 am#352742

terraricca

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