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Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,16:55) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 08 2013,15:01) Hi limjunus, God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
God bless
Ed J
Dear Ed j,Do not just post what is in your mind, you must back-up it by Scriptural evidences.
Hi Limjunus,Have you forgotten about my comparing you to John?
(Here is your Scriptural Evidence)Mark 9:38-40 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils
in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.Following you means NOTHING, you are deluding yourself if you think it does, as Jesus pointed out to John.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,16:55) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 08 2013,15:01) Hi limjunus, God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
God bless
Ed J
Dear Ed j,Quote Hi limjunus, God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
Do not just post what is in your mind, you must back-up it by Scriptural evidences. Like what I had did with all of my Bible commentaries.
I am not the one plainly saying that the salvation of our souls could only be attained or obtainable for being the part of the church of Christ, the mystical body of Christ here on earth. Through the sacrificial death of the church's head (Christ Jesus) the sins of the disciples (believers of Christ) has been paid (washed away) and the followers of Christ, has been freed from the bondage of sins; free from the condemnation and have been brought back to serve and worship the only true and the living God, the Father in heaven.
Scriptural evidence shall be presented to convince you to lay down your righteous decision with the subject case/s.
Exhibit A: evidence. Ephessians 5:23-32
Scriptural evidences has been presented to make the case/ argument be sufficiently realistic and free from any reasonable doubt.
Hi limjunus,Please enlarge the part in Eph 5:23-33 where 'YOU BELIEVE' is evidence to support your assertion? …because I certainly don't see it?
Eph 5:23-33 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.Thank you in advance.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTO ALL:
There is no question. The Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, is the gate/ door of the sheep (people of God).
There is also no questions that the “flock of the Lord” is the church of Christ, and the church of Christ is the house of the Lord God, and the pillar and ground of the truth.
There is no questions also that the church of Christ is the kingdom of God here on earth.
One of the teaching / doctrine of the Messiah, the Son of God, Christ Jesus, made by God, both Lord and Christ, said: John 10:9 RSV/ NIV.
9I am the door; if any one enters by me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
.I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
. John 10:9 NIV)The Messiah, told us, whoever “enters through me” will be saved…” through the door or the gate (Christ Jesus) is the entrance to a place where we could be saved from the wrath or condemnation of God, because of our sins.
How we could be enter through the door (Christ)?, He is now in heaven and even though he is physically present, we could not enter to his physical body. Therefore the words “enters through me..” the meaning of it is not literally but it was a symbolical or a figurative speech.
Here is the Scriptural evidences:
Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me Luke 6:48 / John 10:27
Enters to the door/ gate; we should listen and believe to the messages of Christ.
” And I told you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will built my church …” Matthew 16:18 NIV.
The church is the house of the Lord God; … to be part of the house of God, the church, we must listen to the voices (teaching) of the “door” ( Christ) and do it.
TO ALL:
How we could listen to the voices (doctrines/ teaching) of the Lord ans Savior Jesus Christ, he is in heaven?
Here is the Scriptural evidences:
3Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.Luke 10:3, 16 / Romans 10:14-15, 17 NIV.
Seek the preacher/s sent (messenger/angel) by God, ask their divine credential to prove the veracity and the authenticity of their divine credential.
There should speak in accordance with the Scriptural law and the testimony. Isaiah 8:20 KJV.
Hi Limjunus,
What is in question: is your assertion that your origination is the exclusive “Church of Christ”.
You have not given us even one shred of evidence to support either of YOUR two claims…Claim 1: Since one can call themselves anything, how can we be assured that they are?
Claim 2: Also it seems limjunus also believes that “ONLY“ their group is the REAL CHURCH.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,13:08) TO ALL: How we could listen to the voices (doctrines/ teaching) of the Lord ans Savior Jesus Christ, he is in heaven?
Here is the Scriptural evidences:
3Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.Luke 10:3, 16 / Romans 10:14-15, 17 NIV.
Seek the preacher/s sent (messenger/angel) by God, ask their divine credential to prove the veracity and the authenticity of their divine credential.
There should speak in accordance with the Scriptural law and the testimony. Isaiah 8:20 KJV.
LMJare you part of the seeds that felt among the rocks
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,17:32) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,16:55) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 08 2013,15:01) Hi limjunus, God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
God bless
Ed J
Dear Ed j,Do not just post what is in your mind, you must back-up it by Scriptural evidences.
Hi Limjunus,Have you forgotten about my comparing you to John?
(Here is your Scriptural Evidence)Mark 9:38-40 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils
in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.Following you means NOTHING, you are deluding yourself if you think it does, as Jesus pointed out to John.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed j,Quote for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.Following you means NOTHING, you are deluding yourself if you think it does, as Jesus pointed out to John.
For he that is not against us is on our part.[/size][/b]
.Can you specify in a very brief detail what is the real meaning of the messages of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus? For he that is not against us is on our part..
How to be with them (Christ's group) ? Scriptural basis please.
Hi limjunus,
I don't understand your question? Can you
ask it again, but this time use different words?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 10 2013,12:55) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,13:08) TO ALL: How we could listen to the voices (doctrines/ teaching) of the Lord ans Savior Jesus Christ, he is in heaven?
Here is the Scriptural evidences:
3Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.Luke 10:3, 16 / Romans 10:14-15, 17 NIV.
Seek the preacher/s sent (messenger/angel) by God, ask their divine credential to prove the veracity and the authenticity of their divine credential.
There should speak in accordance with the Scriptural law and the testimony. Isaiah 8:20 KJV.
LMJare you part of the seeds that felt among the rocks
Dear Terraricca,Quote are you part of the seeds that felt among the rocks .
Seed is the words of God. The words of God, must teach by the messenger sent by God, so faith comes by hearing the words of God. (Romans 10:14-15, 17).
To whom did you heard the words of God? he must be sent by God. How to know that the preacher is the true messenger of God, to preach his words? By Biblical prophecies intended for him before he was born.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,15:40) Hi limjunus, I don't understand your question? Can you
ask it again, but this time use different words?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear ED j,Quote I don't understand your question? Can you
ask it again, but this time use different words?.
How do you understand this messages “For he that is not against us is on our part.?
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,18:18) Hi Limjunus, What is in question: is your assertion that your origination is the exclusive “Church of Christ”.
You have not given us even one shred of evidence to support either of YOUR two claims…Claim 1: Since one can call themselves anything, how can we be assured that they are?
Claim 2: Also it seems limjunus also believes that “ONLY“ their group is the REAL CHURCH.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear ED j,Quote Claim 1: Since one can call themselves anything, how can we be assured that they are? Claim 2: Also it seems limjunus also believes that “ONLY“ their group is the REAL CHURCH.
Read back Ed j, I have posts so many scriptural evidences about our church claim. no. 1 and no. 2.
Claim no. 1. Our church or group has the Biblical testimony and law as what Isaiah 8:20 said. The Biblical prophecies is the divine credential of our church.
Claim No. 2. Our church is the true church of Christ because we have a unique and the same doctrines as of the 1st century church of Christ.
a. There is only one true God, the Father of Christ Jesus.
b. Christ Jesus is not the only true God. He is 100% human being; recognized by God, as his only begotten son; he is the heir of everything created by God; He was made both Lord and Savior by God; everything shall be placed under his feet; then he will be placed and be subjected under God, so that God, shall be rule over all.
c. For being outside the church of Christ, no one will be forgiven and nobody would be saved from the wrath of God; Christ Jesus died for the people inside his church and not for all the people outside his church.
TO ALL:
Christ Jesus was made both Lord and Savior by God. WE must listen to what the instruction by the Savior how we could be saved.
The same with Noah's time. Noah instructed by God to make an Ark; whoever enters to the Ark, would be saved.
In Christian time: Christ Jesus, instructed by God, to make a church. Whoever enters through him to the church would be saved..
God bless you all listeners.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,17:22) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,16:36) Dear Terraricca, (1) You have no divine right to give the scriptural messages to any body,
unless you have gotten it from the authentic preacher/s sent by God.(2) Scriptural evidence: 1 Tim 3:15 KJV
Hi limjunus,1) What is this suppose to mean?
2) And how is 1Tim 3:15 Scriptural evidence of your assertion anyway?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed j,1) It means: The doctrines holding by Terraricca, should be received from the preacher sent or true messenger of God, because not all the preachers in this world are true preachers. Thher are many false preachers.
2.) The church of Christ is the house of God, and the pillar and ground of the truth. .
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 10 2013,15:46) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,15:40) Hi limjunus, I don't understand your question? Can you
ask it again, but this time use different words?God bless
Ed J
Dear ED j,Quote I don't understand your question? Can you
ask it again, but this time use different words?.
How do you understand this messages “For he that is not against us is on our part.?
Hi limjunus,“he that is not against us is on our part” has a similar meaning to…
(yet the opposite of) “He that is not with me is against me”
Meaning there is no place of neutrality with God.
Hope this answered your question?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (limjunus @ Jan. 10 2013,16:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,17:22) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,16:36) Dear Terraricca, (1) You have no divine right to give the scriptural messages to any body,
unless you have gotten it from the authentic preacher/s sent by God.(2) Scriptural evidence: 1 Tim 3:15 KJV
Hi limjunus,1) What is this suppose to mean?
2) And how is 1Tim 3:15 Scriptural evidence of your assertion anyway?God bless
Ed J
Dear Ed j,1) It means: The doctrines holding by Terraricca, should be received from the preacher sent or true messenger of God, because not all the preachers in this world are true preachers. Thher are many false preachers.
2.) The church of Christ is the house of God, and the pillar and ground of the truth. .
Hi limjunus,The part we disagree on is your organization's claim of exclusivity.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Reason for edit: grammarThe Church of Christ denomination is a man-made organisation.
The Church is the Body of Christ. It was founded some 2000 years ago.
It was founded on the truth that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the Messiah.The Church of Christ denomination is not 2000 years old. I doubt that it is even 200 years old.
Nothing to see here folks, except another denomination among thousands that claims exclusivity.
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 10 2013,16:04) Dear ED j, Claim no. 1. Our church or group has the Biblical testimony and law as what Isaiah 8:20 said. The Biblical prophecies is the divine credential of our church.
Claim No. 2. Our church is the true church of Christ because we have a unique and the same doctrines as of the 1st century church of Christ.
Hi Limjunus,1: “Should not a people seek unto their God?” (Isaiah 8:19)
We as Christians do seek unto our God, not to your organization.2: We as “Christians” hold to the same doctrines as taught by YHVH.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,17:40) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,16:55) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 08 2013,15:01) Hi limjunus, God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
God bless
Ed J
Dear Ed j,Quote Hi limjunus, God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
Do not just post what is in your mind, you must back-up it by Scriptural evidences. Like what I had did with all of my Bible commentaries.
I am not the one plainly saying that the salvation of our souls could only be attained or obtainable for being the part of the church of Christ, the mystical body of Christ here on earth. Through the sacrificial death of the church's head (Christ Jesus) the sins of the disciples (believers of Christ) has been paid (washed away) and the followers of Christ, has been freed from the bondage of sins; free from the condemnation and have been brought back to serve and worship the only true and the living God, the Father in heaven.
Scriptural evidence shall be presented to convince you to lay down your righteous decision with the subject case/s.
Exhibit A: evidence. Ephessians 5:23-32
Scriptural evidences has been presented to make the case/ argument be sufficiently realistic and free from any reasonable doubt.
Hi limjunus,Please enlarge the part in Eph 5:23-33 where 'YOU BELIEVE' is evidence to support your assertion? …because I certainly don't see it?
Eph 5:23-33 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.Thank you in advance.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear ED J,Quote Please enlarge the part in Eph 5:23-33 where 'YOU BELIEVE' is evidence to support your assertion? …because I certainly don't see it? 23For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body. 24And so wives must submit themselves completely to their husbands just as the church submits itself to Christ. 25Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.
verses 23-25: Christ Jesus has authority over the church and he is the savior of the church and the church must submitted to Christ, because he died for her; Christ hath purchased her from the bondage of sins.
26He did this to dedicate the church to God by his word, after making it clean by washing it in water, 27in order to present the church to himself in all its beauty–pure and faultless, without spot or wrinkle or any other imperfection. .
verses 26-27: Christ did the offering of his life as the sacrificing lambs to clean the church (chosen people called by God, into the church) from her sins and to be presented to himself pure and faultless, without spot or wrinkle or any other imperfection before God. (in short, to be considered by God as holy people through the redemption done by the Messiah).
8Men ought to love their wives just as they love their own bodies. A man who loves his wife loves himself. 29(No one ever hates his own body. Instead, he feeds it and takes care of it, just as Christ does the church; 30for we are members of his body.).
verses 28-30: the church is counted as the body of Christ, he feed and take care the church because she is belong to Christ as his body and hath considered her as his wife; for being Christ's wife, he loves her very much. (in short: Christ is responsible to his own body; own church and his own wife). The chosen people of God, inside the church of Christ, counted as the members or part of his body as a whole.
31As the scripture says, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and unite with his wife, and the two will become one.” 32There is a deep secret truth revealed in this scripture, which I understand as applying to Christ and the church.
.verses 31-32: Christ and the church is counted by God, as husband and wife. There no longer two but one (one new man Eph. 2:15-17 KJV) before God. The wall or partition (eniquities/sins of men is the cause of war between God and men) has been destroyed through the sacrifice death of the church's head (Christ) and the two (God and men) have been reconciled (peace treaty).
At the end of time, Christ and his wife (church/body) shall be together and be happy forever and ever.
6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
. (Matthew 19:6 KJV)We could not just take the head (Christ) and leave the church, his body as what the other christian groups stand for.
WE must be part of his church or his body and united (members in particular 1 Cor. 12:27 KJV) with the head (Christ).
As what the Lord God, proclaimed long ago “Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
.Glory be to the Almighty God, the Father of Jesus Christ.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,16:53) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 10 2013,15:46) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,15:40) Hi limjunus, I don't understand your question? Can you
ask it again, but this time use different words?God bless
Ed J
Dear ED j,Quote I don't understand your question? Can you
ask it again, but this time use different words?.
How do you understand this messages “For he that is not against us is on our part.?
Hi limjunus,“he that is not against us is on our part” has a similar meaning to…
(yet the opposite of) “He that is not with me is against me”
Meaning there is no place of neutrality with God.
Hope this answered your question?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,Quote “he that is not against us is on our part” has a similar meaning to…
(yet the opposite of) “He that is not with me is against me”
Meaning there is no place of neutrality with God.
Hope this answered your question?.
You are right, there is no neutrality with God.
Goat is in the left side for hell and the sheep is in the right side for the Paradise.
There are two children in this world.
The children of God in the right side and the children of satan in the left side.
Those people in favor of Christ, listen to his voices (words) and do it were counted as the children of God.
Those people against Christ, are not listening to his voice (words).
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. (John 8:47 KJV)
The words of Christ is the doctrine of God, his Father.
.
Praises and glories to the Almighty God, the Father and God of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 10 2013,17:00) The Church of Christ denomination is a man-made organisation. The Church is the Body of Christ. It was founded some 2000 years ago.
It was founded on the truth that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the Messiah.The Church of Christ denomination is not 2000 years old. I doubt that it is even 200 years old.
Nothing to see here folks, except another denomination among thousands that claims exclusivity.
Dear t8,Quote The Church is the Body of Christ. It was founded some 2000 years ago.
It was founded on the truth that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the Messiah..
It is true not because you have post it but because it was written and it is Scriptural.
But you have forgotten that the 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized. Read the Acts. 20:29-30 and the 1 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV..
But Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior, foretold that his 1st century church shall not remained in a vault, she will re-emerging, shall be re-appear from hiding; “in the future to come (1914) there will be one flock and one shepherd” John 10:16 ERV..
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