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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 17 2012,14:52) ,your scriptures are not saying anything about thr reconstruction of the church on earth.
Terraricca,Why you are so easy to forget? I have posting it already with my previous posts.
The 1st century church established by Christ, has been apostatized (Ref: Acts. 20:28-30 NKJV) and Christ knew it in the first place. That's why He (Jesus) hath mentioned, the re-establishment of it (re-construction) on the future.
John 10:16 Amplified Bible (AMP)
16 And I have other sheep [beside these] that are not of this fold. I must bring and [a]impel those also; and they will listen to My voice and heed My call, and so there will be [they will become] one flock under one Shepherd.John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 11 2012,13:05) limj As what the Scriptures said. Jesus Christ, the great teacher established a church, and that church is listening and obeying his voice/ words, the same with the future church to be in our times. (Matthew 16:18 / John 10:16 ERV)
Rev 1:4 John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
RO 16:1 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea;
1CO 4:17 For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, and he will remind you of my ways which are in Christ, just as I teach everywhere in every church.
1CO 11:18 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it.
do i have to continue to present more scriptures about who and what his a church
Terraricca,One of the job of the Apostles, are to administer and to settle any division arising inside the church as a whole.
The other churches hath mentioned, are the divisions (parochial churches located in different places) but under one stewardship. The body of Christ, are not many as what you have think. There is only one body of Christ, the same with only one head for the church.
The other churches located in different places are only one church as a whole.
Terraricca,
There is only one church or body of Christ, with one spirit (unity in doctrines), under one administration from God.
The different so called churches nowadays with their own independent administration and with different beliefs, not in one organization but churches denominations are not and could not be the true church of Christ.
The true church or body of Christ “must be members in particular in one organization. (Ref: 1 Cor. 12:27 NKJV)
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 17 2012,11:36) Terraricca, There is only one church or body of Christ, with one spirit (unity in doctrines), under one administration from God.
The different so called churches nowadays with their own independent administration and with different beliefs, not in one organization but churches denominations are not and could not be the true church of Christ.
The true church or body of Christ “must be members in particular in one organization. (Ref: 1 Cor. 12:27 NKJV)
limjare you try to teach me what i already know
and adding your personal touch
limj
Quote Study it very well and may the spirit of Christ, guide you with your seeking to find the truth about it. so you have asumed that I have little knowledge and you are by this priviledged to know more but do not want to share it ,because it as to come from my side ,is this it
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 08 2012,00:04) Where is your Biblical proofs that there is no true church nowadays? Where is your Biblical proofs that the true believers were scattered all over the world that make up the true church?
The true church hath her own administration placed by God, who will administer them if they are scattered all over the world?
Please, do not despising the true church. here must be a true church, because the true church is the pillar and foundation of the truht of God.
Read this Biblical testimony.
1 Timothy 3:15 New Living Translation (NLT)
“so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.”
That's the very important essence of the true church headed by Christ through the holy spirit.
LJIf there is a church that preaches 100% truth, then i would go there. If they are preaching errors, then you cannot say there is a true church. This is how I judge personally.
For the scriptures are truth, and anything contradictory is not of the truth, so therefore how can God be there?Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, DWELLETH NOT IN TEMPLES MADE WITH HANDS;
This is a big clue LJ.
The apostles and their disciples, and the congregations met in houses and secret locations. Then the 7 churches in Asia Minor (Rev) were corrupted also. Christ was warning them.
If you can honestly recommend a true physical church, then tell me which one it is so I can check it out.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 08 2012,00:11) Romans 10:13-15 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) 13 For “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the Gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!”Romans 10:17 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.I will not listen to anybody except he can prove base with the Bible testimony that he is the true preacher sent by God.
LJAnd it all spread from Christ and the apostles. From them, to every generation, up to now, all have heard of Christ. In schools, on t.v., in movies, documentaries, songs, debates….in mockeries… everyone has heard of his name. Even muslims have heard of him, and aetheists have heard of him. His name has spread, and his name used in vain more than any other name, and if God want's to draw men to him, then he will use whomever he choses, and whatever way he wishes, and that person who God is calling will search for him.
He doesn't need to go to church to find God. If one is searching, all he needs is to get hold of a bible and read it, in his own privacy, and he will find God.Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 17 2012,18:06)
LJMy mum and dad went to a church for the first time in 40 years, and they said they enjoyed it, but didn't return because they are struggling financially, and felt they needed money to go back.
Do you seriously think that God would be happy with the churches for making people feel that they have to buy their way in there? That there's a charge to hear the Lords words and fellowship?
I think the churches are turning many away from this unnecessary burden? God is about truth, not about money. He doesn't need our money.Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 17 2012,21:27) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 17 2012,18:06)
LJMy mum and dad went to a church for the first time in 40 years, and they said they enjoyed it, but didn't return because they are struggling financially, and felt they needed money to go back.
Do you seriously think that God would be happy with the churches for making people feel that they have to buy their way in there? That there's a charge to hear the Lords words and fellowship?
I think the churches are turning many away from this unnecessary burden? God is about truth, not about money. He doesn't need our money.
J42
1Co 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
how can you give to God what belongs to him anyway???Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 17 2012,18:01) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 17 2012,11:36) Terraricca, There is only one church or body of Christ, with one spirit (unity in doctrines), under one administration from God.
The different so called churches nowadays with their own independent administration and with different beliefs, not in one organization but churches denominations are not and could not be the true church of Christ.
The true church or body of Christ “must be members in particular in one organization. (Ref: 1 Cor. 12:27 NKJV)
limjare you try to teach me what i already know
and adding your personal touch
Terraricca,I am not teaching you. I am sharing what I got from the true preachers sent by God.
If you had the real truth of God, we should be in common spirit (beliefs) but I had found that we had in contrast.
You despising and disregarding the church, the body of Christ, whom we have the forgiveness of our sins. You have discarded the Holy Scriptures by not accepting what it had said.
Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 18 2012,02:16) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 08 2012,00:11) Romans 10:13-15 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) 13 For “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the Gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!”Romans 10:17 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.I will not listen to anybody except he can prove base with the Bible testimony that he is the true preacher sent by God.
LJAnd it all spread from Christ and the apostles. From them, to every generation, up to now, all have heard of Christ. In schools, on t.v., in movies, documentaries, songs, debates….in mockeries… everyone has heard of his name. Even muslims have heard of him, and aetheists have heard of him. His name has spread, and his name used in vain more than any other name, and if God want's to draw men to him, then he will use whomever he choses, and whatever way he wishes, and that person who God is calling will search for him.
He doesn't need to go to church to find God. If one is searching, all he needs is to get hold of a bible and read it, in his own privacy, and he will find God.
Sister Journey42,Your very reasoning and arguments were not in accord with the words of God.
Where in the Bible that we could be read your own decree, that “all he needs is to get hold of a bible and read it, in his own privacy, and he will find God. ” and if God want's to draw men to him, then he will use whomever he choses, and whatever way he wishes, and that person who God is calling will search for him. He doesn't need to go to church to find God.
The above mentioned instruction is only from your own utterances and not solely from the Bible.
Do not go against the Holy Scriptures sayings or else you shall be the enemy of the gospel Christ.
As what the Holy Scriptures testimony:
“6. I have applied all this to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brethren, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. Ref: 1 Cor. 4:6 RSV.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 18 2012,09:56) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 17 2012,18:01) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 17 2012,11:36) Terraricca, There is only one church or body of Christ, with one spirit (unity in doctrines), under one administration from God.
The different so called churches nowadays with their own independent administration and with different beliefs, not in one organization but churches denominations are not and could not be the true church of Christ.
The true church or body of Christ “must be members in particular in one organization. (Ref: 1 Cor. 12:27 NKJV)
limjare you try to teach me what i already know
and adding your personal touch
Terraricca,I am not teaching you. I am sharing what I got from the true preachers sent by God.
If you had the real truth of God, we should be in common spirit (beliefs) but I had found that we had in contrast.
You despising and disregarding the church, the body of Christ, whom we have the forgiveness of our sins. You have discarded the Holy Scriptures by not accepting what it had said.
limjyeah,samething again
religion call taken charge many are jaleous of our freedom here on HN ,I mean the freedom in Christ ,you must be slave to your church
Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 18 2012,02:27) terraricca,Oct. wrote:[/quote]
LJMy mum and dad went to a church for the first time in 40 years, and they said they enjoyed it, but didn't return because they are struggling financially, and felt they needed money to go back.
Do you seriously think that God would be happy with the churches for making people feel that they have to buy their way in there? That there's a charge to hear the Lords words and fellowship?
I think the churches are turning many away from this unnecessary burden? God is about truth, not about money. He doesn't need our money.
Sister Journey42,Base with your reasoning and arguments, it seem you had forgotten that there was an event happened during the time of worship congregation, Jesus look upon treasure box where the gifts of offering of the the donors placed for the maintenance of the church and the daily operational needs.
Here is the testimony of the Bible.
1And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. 3So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all; 4for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God, but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had.”
Ref: Luke 21:1-4 NKJV.FYI: The true church will not curse the believers if they could not able to do the gifts of offering during the congregation worship services. The church did not commanded their members not to attend the worship services if they have nothing to offer. God knows who has nothing.
We have been counted by God, not because of the offerings but because of and for being obedient with His commandments.
Sharing our wealth to the church for the missionary works of the Lord God, is a commandment of God.
2 Corinthians 9:6-8
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
6 But this I say: He who soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly, and he who soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 As every man purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly or out of compulsion; for God loveth the cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound in every good work.We must be believed that all the treasures here on earth originally belong to God, and from God.
Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 18 2012,02:07) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 08 2012,00:04) Where is your Biblical proofs that there is no true church nowadays? Where is your Biblical proofs that the true believers were scattered all over the world that make up the true church?
The true church hath her own administration placed by God, who will administer them if they are scattered all over the world?
Please, do not despising the true church. here must be a true church, because the true church is the pillar and foundation of the truht of God.
Read this Biblical testimony.
1 Timothy 3:15 New Living Translation (NLT)
“so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.”
That's the very important essence of the true church headed by Christ through the holy spirit.
LJIf there is a church that preaches 100% truth, then i would go there. If they are preaching errors, then you cannot say there is a true church. This is how I judge personally.
For the scriptures are truth, and anything contradictory is not of the truth, so therefore how can God be there?Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, DWELLETH NOT IN TEMPLES MADE WITH HANDS;
This is a big clue LJ.
The apostles and their disciples, and the congregations met in houses and secret locations. Then the 7 churches in Asia Minor (Rev) were corrupted also. Christ was warning them.
If you can honestly recommend a true physical church, then tell me which one it is so I can check it out.
Sister Journey42,As what I have shared with my previous posting. I am not the one to bring you to the true church, the body of Christ.
Only the Father in heaven shall be the one to bring you to Christ.
Here is the testimony of the Bible.
“John 6:44 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
“
The Father is the one who sent me, and he is the one who brings people to me. I will raise them up on the last day. Anyone the Father does not bring to me cannot come to meIf I will tell you which church is it,.. you can not come to Christ. (Christ is in heaven sitting at the right hand of God). So therefore, God shall bring man to the church, because the church is the body of Christ here on earth. If you are in the body of Christ, which meant, you are in Christ's.
So, how the Father can bring the man to Christ's body?
The answer of the Holy Scriptures is, “2 Thessalonians 2:14 (KJ21)
whereunto He called you by our Gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
We must hear the gospel and it must heard from the true preacher sent by God. (Ref: Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV)
Romans 10:14-15
New Living Translation (NLT)
14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!”Romans 10:17
New Living Translation (NLT)
17 So faith comes from hearing, that is, hearing the Good News about Christ.You should not base your judgement by your own ideas. You can not determine which is right and which is in error. You must listen the gospel from the true preacher, then God is calling you.
The true church is the pillar and the foundation of the truth.
One among so many called churches of Christ nowadays, is the true church of Christ.
What we must to do is, to convince the Father, that we are really sincere with our hearts in seeking His kingdom here on earth.
Then He will guide us from the hands of the so called false preachers and false prophets to the kingdom of His begotten Son, Christ Jesus.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 18 2012,02:34) 1Co 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Terraricca,What are the messages of the cross that for the other people became foolishness and lead them in perishing? …. and for the chosen people of God, (being saved) is the power to save us?
The gospel is one among so many power of God, for the salvation of our souls.
Here is the Holy Scriptures testimony. Read it carefully.
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Ref: Book of Romans 1:16 NKJV.
Therefore, we need to heard the gospel, we need to listen to the true preachers of the gospel sent by God. (Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV)
The gospel is one among so many power of God, for the salvation of our souls.
Here is the Holy Scriptures testimony. Read it carefully.
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Ref: Book of Romans 1:16 NKJV.
Therefore, we need to heard the gospel, we need to listen to the true preachers of the gospel sent by God. (Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV)
Then, our believes/ beliefs also shall be in the “rightful faith”, because the one whom have teach us is the true preachers sent by God.
The messages of the cross (Gospel) is not for non-believers but instead hath assigned and intended for the believers of the Son of God, the chosen people of God, which we could be found them in one and only body of Christ, the church. Ref: Book of 1 Cor. 12:27 / Col. 1:18 / Acts 20:28
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 18 2012,17:54) It is not clear to me what this topic is about.
Can someone help.
t8,The topic is about the true “messenger” of God, sent to preach the gospel of Christ.
As what we have aware of: “Christ is in heaven, the apostles and the 1st century evangelist were gone….. and .. the Holy Scriptures (the words of God, written in the Bible) revealing that there are many false preachers, false prophets and false Christ, in existing and roaming around the world to deceive many people, bringing the whole world under his (satan) rule.
If the Bible is telling us that there were many false preachers, false prophets and false Christ, it is also saying to us that there is the “true preachers sent by God, to teach the true gospel of Christ.
and we could not just set aside the church, because the Bible is also telling us that the church is the pillar and the foundation of the truth about God.[U]
The church is the right place for the chosen people of God, to be together as one body for Christ… so that he could take away our sins by offering his life for it…. reconciliation to be made between men and God, by forgiven our trespasses through Christ and his body as“one new man before God Peace between men and God, has been promulgated by Christ.
Ref: Eph. 2:15-17, 5:23 / Col 1:18 / Acts 20:28 )
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 18 2012,15:24) yeah,samething again religion call taken charge many are jaleous of our freedom here on HN ,I mean the freedom in Christ ,you must be slave to your church
Terraricca,If the man is in the body of Christ, the church, he is not slave by the church but instead, he is really slave or servant by Christ, free man from the bondage of his sins.
He is really free to do the righteousness of God, and he is belong with the chosen people of God, heirs of all the promises of God, together with Christ. Christ and his church is the composition of the “one new man” .. the Groom and the Bride,.. the husband and the wife.
In God;s sight, Christ and the Church are the one new man. Man can not just take Christ, to be saved and thrown out the Bride (the church).
As what the Bible said: “God, placed them together and nobody could make them separate.
6So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” REF: Matthew 19:6 NKJV
31″For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ref: Ephesians 5:31 NKJV
Here is the truth: You need Christ, you must be in his his wife, the church. Christ is the savior of the church, his wife or his body.
Ephesians 5:23
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
23 A husband is the head of his wife, just as Christ is the head of the church. Christ is the Savior of the church, which is his body.
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