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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2012,01:33) lmj Quote Dear Terrraricca, 1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; We(THE APOSTLES) are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us;.
Whose apostles are you talking about in these last days? They were all gone and Christ Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right of God.
Jesus is the one spoken; “… John 10:16 Expanded Bible (EXB)
16. I have other sheep that are not in this ·flock [fold; pen; C a reference to future Gentile followers of Christ], and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.[a]Footnotes:
John 10:16 I have other sheep … shepherd Jesus means he has followers who are not Jews. See Jn. 11:52.The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914).
May the lord God, give you clear understanding about it.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:3Jn 1:3 It gave me great joy to have some brothers come and tell about your faithfulness to the truth and how you continue to walk in the truth.
3Jn 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truthTo the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:2Jn 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show me
Dear Terrarica,Quote Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show meDo you know the Roman Catholic Church, claiming that they were the continuation of the 1st century church of Christ?
Did you you notice the big changes of the messages of God, with their doctrines?
So, it is a very strong evidences that the messages of God, has been altered by the Roman Catholic Church, they have replaced it and had some addition from the so called Catholic holy traditions.
That's why our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus foretold the other church will comes out in the future (John 10:16 ERV).
The messages of God, did not change by the Church of Christ 1914, you are the one changing it by proclaiming that the church of Christ (religious organization built by Christ)is not necessarily today.
Show me your concrete proof Biblical that the church (organization) is no longer necessarily for the serving, worshiping the Lord God, and not the church of Christ is not important for the salvation of our souls. Do you have?
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2012,07:37) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 27 2012,12:34) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2012,16:30) Limj Do you know that if it was not for the scriptures your church would never come to existence ,
And I would not have the power to understand them,but now the scriptures are here from God through his apostles and his son make sure that only those that are worty to him will called ,on an individual base,not in group churches like organized religion ,
It seems to me you have not yet understood that we render account to Christ and to God ,not to men and his churches masquerade , God his spirit and we have to worship him in truth and spirit and by our actions,
I have given you many scriptures but you are stuck on your religion dogma
Dear Terraricca,Here the clear man made doctrine/teaching; from the mind of Ms. Teraricca: And I would not have the power to understand them,but now the scriptures are here from God through his apostles and his son make sure that only those that are worhty to him will called ,on an individual base,not in group churches like organized religion ,. The Scriptural foundation has nothing to do with Ms. Terraricca understanding and statement concerning the gospel of Christ.
Compare Ms. Terraricca statements with the apostles statements.
12that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Lord God, shall call us through the preaching and listening to the gospel so that we could obtain the glory of our Lord Christ Jesus.
The Lord, shall bring the people to the church for the salvation of their souls.
Acts 2:47
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.1 Corinthians 5:13 New Life Version (NLV)
13 God will judge those outside the church. So you must put that sinful person out of your church.Ms. Terraricca statements is very much different compare to the gospel of Christ. She want the people to believe that the church built by Christ is not very essential for the salvation of our souls. She is ignoring the commandment of Christ that we must enter to the flock through Jesus Christ. (John 10:9TEV).
Ms. Terraricca, you are in a contrast against the truth of God.
do you think I am that naive
Quote 1)The Lord God, shall call us through the preaching and listening to the gospel so that we could obtain the glory of our Lord Christ Jesus. 2)The Lord, shall bring the people to the church for the salvation of their souls.
1)who is calling us ???not your church or your preacher
2)where is that in scriptures ???I mean “TO THE CHURCH FOR SALVATION”
3) I have shown you that the time for worshing in close buildings is over ,Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
only the scriptures are sufficient
Dear Terraricca,Quote 2)where is that in scriptures ???I mean “TO THE CHURCH FOR SALVATION” 3) I have shown you that the time for worshing in close buildings is over ,Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
only the scriptures are sufficient
John 10:9-10 NIV
I am the gate; whoever enters [into the fold] through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
Ephesians 5:23, 25 TEV
23. For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.
24. And so wives must submit themselves completely to their husbands just as the church submits itself to Christ. 25. Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.
Acts 2:47 NKJV
47. praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
God, shall bring the people to churc to be saved. The church of Christ is very much necessary for the salvation of our souls.
limj
Quote John 10:9-10 NIV I am the gate; whoever enters [into the fold] through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
Ephesians 5:23, 25 TEV
23. For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.
24. And so wives must submit themselves completely to their husbands just as the church submits itself to Christ. 25. Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.
Acts 2:47 NKJV
47. praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
God, shall bring the people to churc to be saved. The church of Christ is very much necessary for the salvation of our souls.
you talking about the spiritual church not a physical on earth ,read your scriptures
Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 30 2012,16:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2012,01:33) lmj Quote Dear Terrraricca, 1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; We(THE APOSTLES) are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us;.
Whose apostles are you talking about in these last days? They were all gone and Christ Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right of God.
Jesus is the one spoken; “… John 10:16 Expanded Bible (EXB)
16. I have other sheep that are not in this ·flock [fold; pen; C a reference to future Gentile followers of Christ], and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.[a]Footnotes:
John 10:16 I have other sheep … shepherd Jesus means he has followers who are not Jews. See Jn. 11:52.The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914).
May the lord God, give you clear understanding about it.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:3Jn 1:3 It gave me great joy to have some brothers come and tell about your faithfulness to the truth and how you continue to walk in the truth.
3Jn 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truthTo the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:2Jn 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show me
Dear Terrarica,Quote Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show meDo you know the Roman Catholic Church, claiming that they were the continuation of the 1st century church of Christ?
Did you you notice the big changes of the messages of God, with their doctrines?
So, it is a very strong evidences that the messages of God, has been altered by the Roman Catholic Church, they have replaced it and had some addition from the so called Catholic holy traditions.
That's why our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus foretold the other church will comes out in the future (John 10:16 ERV).
The messages of God, did not change by the Church of Christ 1914, you are the one changing it by proclaiming that the church of Christ (religious organization built by Christ)is not necessarily today.
Show me your concrete proof Biblical that the church (organization) is no longer necessarily for the serving, worshiping the Lord God, and not the church of Christ is not important for the salvation of our souls. Do you have?
limjChrist church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom
you still lost in a men made church, read your scriptures ,i do not quote you the scriptures because you do not listen to scriptures any way ,you prefer to listen to men
Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 14 2012,21:07) Jesus Christ, said. “WHOEVER ENTER TO THE FOLD THROUGH ME, SHALL BE SAVED…” The fold is the church of Christ (Acts 20:28 G. Lamsa & British Version) If you are right Jammin, by telling that salvation could be obtained outside the church of Christ, why he said “whoever enter to the fold through me shall be saved…”
LOLyou are truly a FALSE TEACHER JUST LIKE MANALO! A CULT LEADER LOL
this is the meaning of the verse to make it clear for you boy
KJV
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.see that boy?? the DOOR IS CHRIST!
your sentence said THROUGH CHRIST
do you understand the word THROUGH?
there is no verse that you must enter to the church. no verse for that boy. 100% sure!
this is what the bible says
acts 2.47
New International Version (©1984)
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.the LORD will do that and not you or manalo. if you analyze the verse, those added to the church were BEING SAVED.
before adding to the church they are already saved!
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,01:45) limj Quote John 10:9-10 NIV I am the gate; whoever enters [into the fold] through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
Ephesians 5:23, 25 TEV
23. For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.
24. And so wives must submit themselves completely to their husbands just as the church submits itself to Christ. 25. Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.
Acts 2:47 NKJV
47. praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
God, shall bring the people to churc to be saved. The church of Christ is very much necessary for the salvation of our souls.
you talking about the spiritual church not a physical on earth ,read your scriptures
Dear Terraricca,The spiritual church is the people gathered in one body (church) by our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus to be a group (organization) chosen by God, as His nation here on earth. It is not in spiritual state but physically visualize by our naked eyes.
The people are physically called to be joined in one body, together with their spirits, souls and bodies.
The whole church, called by the Scriptures as the spiritual body of Christ, but it does not mean that it is purely spiritually in nature. The church is the group of the believers of Christ, with unity in all doctrines.
Terraricca, can you show me that all the believers of Christ has been transform from human nature to spiritual nature?
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,01:50) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 30 2012,16:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2012,01:33) lmj Quote Dear Terrraricca, 1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; We(THE APOSTLES) are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us;.
Whose apostles are you talking about in these last days? They were all gone and Christ Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right of God.
Jesus is the one spoken; “… John 10:16 Expanded Bible (EXB)
16. I have other sheep that are not in this ·flock [fold; pen; C a reference to future Gentile followers of Christ], and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.[a]Footnotes:
John 10:16 I have other sheep … shepherd Jesus means he has followers who are not Jews. See Jn. 11:52.The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914).
May the lord God, give you clear understanding about it.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:3Jn 1:3 It gave me great joy to have some brothers come and tell about your faithfulness to the truth and how you continue to walk in the truth.
3Jn 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truthTo the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:2Jn 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show me
Dear Terrarica,Quote Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show meDo you know the Roman Catholic Church, claiming that they were the continuation of the 1st century church of Christ?
Did you you notice the big changes of the messages of God, with their doctrines?
So, it is a very strong evidences that the messages of God, has been altered by the Roman Catholic Church, they have replaced it and had some addition from the so called Catholic holy traditions.
That's why our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus foretold the other church will comes out in the future (John 10:16 ERV).
The messages of God, did not change by the Church of Christ 1914, you are the one changing it by proclaiming that the church of Christ (religious organization built by Christ)is not necessarily today.
Show me your concrete proof Biblical that the church (organization) is no longer necessarily for the serving, worshiping the Lord God, and not the church of Christ is not important for the salvation of our souls. Do you have?
limjChrist church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom
you still lost in a men made church, read your scriptures ,i do not quote you the scriptures because you do not listen to scriptures any way ,you prefer to listen to men
Dear Terraricca,You are the one not believing with the Scriptural proofs. You are insisting your own understanding with the Sacred Scriptures even though you had failed to prove that your organization has a true messenger from God.
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 31 2012,15:11) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 14 2012,21:07) Jesus Christ, said. “WHOEVER ENTER TO THE FOLD THROUGH ME, SHALL BE SAVED…” The fold is the church of Christ (Acts 20:28 G. Lamsa & British Version) If you are right Jammin, by telling that salvation could be obtained outside the church of Christ, why he said “whoever enter to the fold through me shall be saved…”
LOLyou are truly a FALSE TEACHER JUST LIKE MANALO! A CULT LEADER LOL
this is the meaning of the verse to make it clear for you boy
KJV
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.see that boy?? the DOOR IS CHRIST!
your sentence said THROUGH CHRIST
do you understand the word THROUGH?
there is no verse that you must enter to the church. no verse for that boy. 100% sure!
this is what the bible says
acts 2.47
New International Version (©1984)
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.the LORD will do that and not you or manalo. if you analyze the verse, those added to the church were BEING SAVED.
before adding to the church they are already saved!
Dear Jammin,Do not twisted the words of God.
John 10:9
Today's New International Version (TNIV)
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture.Very clear, “whoever enters through me” … enter through him into the fold. I did not say that Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior is not the door or gate. You are the one saying it and not me or not the Bible.
Acts 2:47
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.Jammin, the 21st Century King James Version is not a Bible?
It says; The Lord added to the church daily such should be saved.
The completion of their salvation is in the second coming of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
Even though the person is already inside the church of Christ, there is tendency of being to be expelled and be judged by God.
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 02 2013,14:53) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,01:50) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 30 2012,16:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2012,01:33) lmj Quote Dear Terrraricca, 1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; We(THE APOSTLES) are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us;.
Whose apostles are you talking about in these last days? They were all gone and Christ Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right of God.
Jesus is the one spoken; “… John 10:16 Expanded Bible (EXB)
16. I have other sheep that are not in this ·flock [fold; pen; C a reference to future Gentile followers of Christ], and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.[a]Footnotes:
John 10:16 I have other sheep … shepherd Jesus means he has followers who are not Jews. See Jn. 11:52.The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914).
May the lord God, give you clear understanding about it.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:3Jn 1:3 It gave me great joy to have some brothers come and tell about your faithfulness to the truth and how you continue to walk in the truth.
3Jn 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truthTo the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:2Jn 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show me
Dear Terrarica,Quote Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show meDo you know the Roman Catholic Church, claiming that they were the continuation of the 1st century church of Christ?
Did you you notice the big changes of the messages of God, with their doctrines?
So, it is a very strong evidences that the messages of God, has been altered by the Roman Catholic Church, they have replaced it and had some addition from the so called Catholic holy traditions.
That's why our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus foretold the other church will comes out in the future (John 10:16 ERV).
The messages of God, did not change by the Church of Christ 1914, you are the one changing it by proclaiming that the church of Christ (religious organization built by Christ)is not necessarily today.
Show me your concrete proof Biblical that the church (organization) is no longer necessarily for the serving, worshiping the Lord God, and not the church of Christ is not important for the salvation of our souls. Do you have?
limjChrist church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom
you still lost in a men made church, read your scriptures ,i do not quote you the scriptures because you do not listen to scriptures any way ,you prefer to listen to men
Dear Terraricca,You are the one not believing with the Scriptural proofs. You are insisting your own understanding with the Sacred Scriptures even though you had failed to prove that your organization has a true messenger from God.
limjbut I do not have an organization ,to me God 's word his my rules my guide,my hope and faith,
why,?? would I need an MAN to enlighten me WEN IT HIS GOD THROUGH CHRIST THAT DOES IT ,
THE WORLD HAS TO GO TO GOD ,BUT NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THAN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST NOW IN HEAVEN AND LOOKING AT ALL THOSE WHO WILL TAKE HIS WORDS AS TRUTH AND FOLLOW THEM .
LIMJ
Quote Terraricca, can you show me that all the believers of Christ has been transform from human nature to spiritual nature? can you
NO so I also can not first not all believers will be going to Heaven only 144k
all other will be on earth ,
that is wen the resurrection takes place .
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2013,09:26) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 02 2013,14:53) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,01:50) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 30 2012,16:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2012,01:33) lmj Quote Dear Terrraricca, 1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; We(THE APOSTLES) are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us;.
Whose apostles are you talking about in these last days? They were all gone and Christ Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right of God.
Jesus is the one spoken; “… John 10:16 Expanded Bible (EXB)
16. I have other sheep that are not in this ·flock [fold; pen; C a reference to future Gentile followers of Christ], and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.[a]Footnotes:
John 10:16 I have other sheep … shepherd Jesus means he has followers who are not Jews. See Jn. 11:52.The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914).
May the lord God, give you clear understanding about it.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:3Jn 1:3 It gave me great joy to have some brothers come and tell about your faithfulness to the truth and how you continue to walk in the truth.
3Jn 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truthTo the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:2Jn 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show me
Dear Terrarica,Quote Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show meDo you know the Roman Catholic Church, claiming that they were the continuation of the 1st century church of Christ?
Did you you notice the big changes of the messages of God, with their doctrines?
So, it is a very strong evidences that the messages of God, has been altered by the Roman Catholic Church, they have replaced it and had some addition from the so called Catholic holy traditions.
That's why our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus foretold the other church will comes out in the future (John 10:16 ERV).
The messages of God, did not change by the Church of Christ 1914, you are the one changing it by proclaiming that the church of Christ (religious organization built by Christ)is not necessarily today.
Show me your concrete proof Biblical that the church (organization) is no longer necessarily for the serving, worshiping the Lord God, and not the church of Christ is not important for the salvation of our souls. Do you have?
limjChrist church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom
you still lost in a men made church, read your scriptures ,i do not quote you the scriptures because you do not listen to scriptures any way ,you prefer to listen to men
Dear Terraricca,You are the one not believing with the Scriptural proofs. You are insisting your own understanding with the Sacred Scriptures even though you had failed to prove that your organization has a true messenger from God.
limjbut I do not have an organization ,to me God 's word his my rules my guide,my hope and faith,
why,?? would I need an MAN to enlighten me WEN IT HIS GOD THROUGH CHRIST THAT DOES IT ,
THE WORLD HAS TO GO TO GOD ,BUT NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THAN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST NOW IN HEAVEN AND LOOKING AT ALL THOSE WHO WILL TAKE HIS WORDS AS TRUTH AND FOLLOW THEM .
Dear Terraricca,Quote limj but I do not have an organization ,to me God 's word his my rules my guide,my hope and faith,
why,?? would I need an MAN to enlighten me WEN IT HIS GOD THR
OUGH CHRIST THAT DOES IT ,THE WORLD HAS TO GO TO GOD ,BUT NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THAN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST NOW IN HEAVEN AND LOOKING AT ALL THOSE WHO WILL TAKE HIS WORDS AS TRUTH AND FOLLOW THEM .
Now, you are talking out of the the words of God, it is a clear contradiction of your so called that the words of God, is your rules, guide, hope and faith.
You are not really observing what you have said. Here is agin the words of God, as a refreshment for you.
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Romans 14-15, 17 KJV)The faith comes from hearing of the words of God, through the preachers sent by God. Therefore, you must listen first to the true preacher sent by God, because the preacher sent by God, spoke the words of God.
Proof: 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
(Juan 3:34 KJV)The kingdom (organization) of the Son of God here on earth is the church of Christ. Those believers of Christ, should be rescued and placed inside the kingdom of God, from the the hands of the prince of darkness.
Proof: Colossians 1:12-14
New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE)12 giving thanks to the Father, who has enabled you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has rescued us from the power of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Quote Christ church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom Who said to you that the church of Christ is compose only of 144K? … The truth about the 144K is, there were the first fruits from the twelve tribes of Israel by the missionary during the time of our Lord Christ Jesus. God, shall call any people to be the fellowship of his son without limitation, first from Israel then to the Gentiles all over the world.
Proof:
36″Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
(Acts. 2:36-39 KJV)“Take note: ' AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD WILL CALL”
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 08 2013,08:49) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2013,09:26) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 02 2013,14:53) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,01:50) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 30 2012,16:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2012,01:33) lmj Quote Dear Terrraricca, 1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; We(THE APOSTLES) are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us;.
Whose apostles are you talking about in these last days? They were all gone and Christ Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right of God.
Jesus is the one spoken; “… John 10:16 Expanded Bible (EXB)
16. I have other sheep that are not in this ·flock [fold; pen; C a reference to future Gentile followers of Christ], and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.[a]Footnotes:
John 10:16 I have other sheep … shepherd Jesus means he has followers who are not Jews. See Jn. 11:52.The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914).
May the lord God, give you clear understanding about it.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:3Jn 1:3 It gave me great joy to have some brothers come and tell about your faithfulness to the truth and how you continue to walk in the truth.
3Jn 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truthTo the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:2Jn 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show me
Dear Terrarica,Quote Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show meDo you know the Roman Catholic Church, claiming that they were the continuation of the 1st century church of Christ?
Did you you notice the big changes of the messages of God, with their doctrines?
So, it is a very strong evidences that the messages of God, has been altered by the Roman Catholic Church, they have replaced it and had some addition from the so called Catholic holy traditions.
That's why our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus foretold the other church will comes out in the future (John 10:16 ERV).
The messages of God, did not change by the Church of Christ 1914, you are the one changing it by proclaiming that the church of Christ (religious organization built by Christ)is not necessarily today.
Show me your concrete proof Biblical that the church (organization) is no longer necessarily for the serving, worshiping the Lord God, and not the church of Christ is not important for the salvation of our souls. Do you have?
limjChrist church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom
you still lost in a men made church, read your scriptures ,i do not quote you the scriptures because you do not listen to scriptures any way ,you prefer to listen to men
Dear Terraricca,You are the one not believing with the Scriptural proofs. You are insisting your own understanding with the Sacred Scriptures even though you had failed to prove that your organization has a true messenger from God.
limjbut I do not have an organization ,to me God 's word his my rules my guide,my hope and faith,
why,?? would I need an MAN to enlighten me WEN IT HIS GOD THROUGH CHRIST THAT DOES IT ,
THE WORLD HAS TO GO TO GOD ,BUT NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THAN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST NOW IN HEAVEN AND LOOKING AT ALL THOSE WHO WILL TAKE HIS WORDS AS TRUTH AND FOLLOW THEM .
Dear Terraricca,Quote limj but I do not have an organization ,to me God 's word his my rules my guide,my hope and faith,
why,?? would I need an MAN to enlighten me WEN IT HIS GOD THROUGH CHRIST THAT DOES IT ,
THE WORLD HAS TO GO TO GOD ,BUT NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THAN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST NOW IN HEAVEN AND LOOKING AT ALL THOSE WHO WILL TAKE HIS WORDS AS TRUTH AND FOLLOW THEM .
Now, you are talking out of the the words of God, it is a clear contradiction of your so called that the words of God, is your rules, guide, hope and faith.
You are not really observing what you have said. Here is agin the words of God, as a refreshment for you.
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Romans 14-15, 17 KJV)The faith comes from hearing of the words of God, through the preachers sent by God. Therefore, you must listen first to the true preacher sent by God, because the preacher sent by God, spoke the words of God.
Proof: 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
(Juan 3:34 KJV)The kingdom (organization) of the Son of God here on earth is the church of Christ. Those believers of Christ, should be rescued and placed inside the kingdom of God, from the the hands of the prince of darkness.
Proof: Colossians 1:12-14
New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE)12 giving thanks to the Father, who has enabled you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has rescued us from the power of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Quote Christ church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom Who said to you that the church of Christ is compose only of 144K? … The truth about the 144K is, there were the first fruits from the twelve tribes of Israel by the missionary during the time of our Lord Christ Jesus. God, shall call any people to be the fellowship of his son without limitation, first from Israel then to the Gentiles all over the world.
Proof:
36″Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
(Acts. 2:36-39 KJV)“Take note: ' AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD WILL CALL”
lmjyou blabbing scriptures and not even understand them ,
I have given you many scriptures and you have disregard them all ,I have nothing no more to say to you ,except that you should read and study your bible way more ,remember it is your life what it is all about it ,not a church or org.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2013,09:29) LIMJ Quote Terraricca, can you show me that all the believers of Christ has been transform from human nature to spiritual nature? can you
NO so I also can not first not all believers will be going to Heaven only 144k
all other will be on earth ,
that is wen the resurrection takes place .
Dear Terraricca,Quote first not all believers will be going to Heaven only 144k all other will be on earth ,
that is wen the resurrection takes place .
Now, again. You are talking the matters in contradictions of the words of God, you had said with you previous post that it is your rules, guide, hope and faith.
Who told you that only the 144K shall be enter to the heaven and all the other (rest) will be on earth; that is when the resurrection take place?
I have sense that you have been duped by the Jehovah's Witnesses? Their so called prophet has been failed with their prediction about the end of the world, not only once but many times.
Here the words of God, and you must observed what is your rules, guide, hope and faith that you are talking about? Listen to the words of God.
13 Brothers and sisters, we don’t want you to be ignorant about those who have died. We don’t want you to grieve like other people who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and came back to life. We also believe that, through Jesus, God will bring back those who have died. They will come back with Jesus. 15 We are telling you what the Lord taught. We who are still alive when the Lord comes will not go into his kingdom ahead of those who have already died. 16 The Lord will come from heaven with a command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the dead who believed in Christ will come back to life. 17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive will be taken in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. In this way we will always be with the Lord. 18 So then, comfort each other with these words!
When the time of the resurrection arrived, all Christ's believers shall be meet him in the air and shall be with him forever.
What is the promise of our Lord Christ Jesus to us when he was here on earth?
Here is the words of God, listen Terraricca.
Jesus said, “Don’t let your hearts be troubled. ·Trust [Believe] in God, and ·trust [believe] in me [or You trust/believe in God, trust/believe also in me]. 2 There are many ·rooms [places to live] in my Father’s house [C heaven, metaphorically portrayed as a great palace]; I would not tell you this if it were not true. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 ·After [L And if] I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me so that you may be where I am. (John 14:1-3 EXB).
“YOU WILL BE WHERE I AM” it does not said, 144K only.
the “you” represent “all the believers” of Christ.
Now, Terraricca, I lay down your rules, guide, hope and faith (the words of God) It's up to you to fulfill what you have stand for.
Good luck.
Hi limjunus,
God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (limjunus @ Jan. 08 2013,09:34) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2013,09:29) LIMJ Quote Terraricca, can you show me that all the believers of Christ has been transform from human nature to spiritual nature? can you
NO so I also can not first not all believers will be going to Heaven only 144k
all other will be on earth ,
that is wen the resurrection takes place .
Dear Terraricca,Quote first not all believers will be going to Heaven only 144k all other will be on earth ,
that is wen the resurrection takes place .
Now, again. You are talking the matters in contradictions of the words of God, you had said with you previous post that it is your rules, guide, hope and faith.
Who told you that only the 144K shall be enter to the heaven and all the other (rest) will be on earth; that is when the resurrection take place?
I have sense that you have been duped by the Jehovah's Witnesses? Their so called prophet has been failed with their prediction about the end of the world, not only once but many times.
Here the words of God, and you must observed what is your rules, guide, hope and faith that you are talking about? Listen to the words of God.
13 Brothers and sisters, we don’t want you to be ignorant about those who have died. We don’t want you to grieve like other people who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and came back to life. We also believe that, through Jesus, God will bring back those who have died. They will come back with Jesus. 15 We are telling you what the Lord taught. We who are still alive when the Lord comes will not go into his kingdom ahead of those who have already died. 16 The Lord will come from heaven with a command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the dead who believed in Christ will come back to life. 17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive will be taken in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. In this way we will always be with the Lord. 18 So then, comfort each other with these words!
When the time of the resurrection arrived, all Christ's believers shall be meet him in the air and shall be with him forever.
What is the promise of our Lord Christ Jesus to us when he was here on earth?
Here is the words of God, listen Terraricca.
Jesus said, “Don’t let your hearts be troubled. ·Trust [Believe] in God, and ·trust [believe] in me [or You trust/believe in God, trust/believe also in me]. 2 There are many ·rooms [places to live] in my Father’s house [C heaven, metaphorically portrayed as a great palace]; I would not tell you this if it were not true. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 ·After [L And if] I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me so that you may be where I am. (John 14:1-3 EXB).
“YOU WILL BE WHERE I AM” it does not said, 144K only.
the “you” represent “all the believers” of Christ.
Now, Terraricca, I lay down your rules, guide, hope and faith (the words of God) It's up to you to fulfill what you have stand for.
Good luck.
lmjAM 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom
And all the nations who are called by My name,”
Declares the LORD who does this.
MIC 2:12
“I will surely assemble all of you, Jacob,
I will surely gather the remnant of Israel.
I will put them together like sheep in the fold;
Like a flock in the midst of its pasture
They will be noisy with men.
MIC 4:7 “I will make the lame a remnant
And the outcasts a strong nation,
And the LORD will reign over them in Mount Zion
From now on and forever.
MIC 5:7
Then the remnant of Jacob
Will be among many peoples
Like dew from the LORD,
Like showers on vegetation
Which do not wait for man
Or delay for the sons of men.
MIC 5:8 The remnant of Jacob
Will be among the nations,
Among many peoples
Like a lion among the beasts of the forest,
Like a young lion among flocks of sheep,
Which, if he passes through,
Tramples down and tears,
And there is none to rescue.
MIC 7:18 Who is a God like You, who pardons iniquity
And passes over the rebellious act of the remnant of His possession?
He does not retain His anger forever,
Because He delights in unchanging love.ZEP 3:13 “The remnant of Israel will do no wrong
And tell no lies,
Nor will a deceitful tongue
Be found in their mouths;
For they will feed and lie down
With no one to make them tremble.”ZEC 8:12 ‘For there will be peace for the seed: the vine will yield its fruit, the land will yield its produce and the heavens will give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to inherit all these things.
RO 9:27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED;
RO 11:5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choiceChrist came first for the remnant of Israel and secondly for all of us gentiles,
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 02 2013,20:08) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 31 2012,15:11) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 14 2012,21:07) Jesus Christ, said. “WHOEVER ENTER TO THE FOLD THROUGH ME, SHALL BE SAVED…” The fold is the church of Christ (Acts 20:28 G. Lamsa & British Version) If you are right Jammin, by telling that salvation could be obtained outside the church of Christ, why he said “whoever enter to the fold through me shall be saved…”
LOLyou are truly a FALSE TEACHER JUST LIKE MANALO! A CULT LEADER LOL
this is the meaning of the verse to make it clear for you boy
KJV
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.see that boy?? the DOOR IS CHRIST!
your sentence said THROUGH CHRIST
do you understand the word THROUGH?
there is no verse that you must enter to the church. no verse for that boy. 100% sure!
this is what the bible says
acts 2.47
New International Version (©1984)
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.the LORD will do that and not you or manalo. if you analyze the verse, those added to the church were BEING SAVED.
before adding to the church they are already saved!
Dear Jammin,Do not twisted the words of God.
John 10:9
Today's New International Version (TNIV)
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture.Very clear, “whoever enters through me” … enter through him into the fold. I did not say that Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior is not the door or gate. You are the one saying it and not me or not the Bible.
Acts 2:47
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.Jammin, the 21st Century King James Version is not a Bible?
It says; The Lord added to the church daily such should be saved.
The completion of their salvation is in the second coming of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
Even though the person is already inside the church of Christ, there is tendency of being to be expelled and be judged by God.
yes, Christ is the gate. the church is not the gate boy.
therefore you can enter to Christ and not to the church.
the LORD added to the church those who were being saved.
you do not need to say that you must enter to the church to be saved. the apostles are not saying that. only the false preacher manalo says that. LOLthe LORD added to the church THOSE WHO WERE BEING SAVED! thatis what the bible says.
do you know the meaning of THOSE WHO WERE BEING SAVED??do not read pasugo. read your bible
Quote (jammin @ Jan. 08 2013,19:55) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 02 2013,20:08) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 31 2012,15:11) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 14 2012,21:07) Jesus Christ, said. “WHOEVER ENTER TO THE FOLD THROUGH ME, SHALL BE SAVED…” The fold is the church of Christ (Acts 20:28 G. Lamsa & British Version) If you are right Jammin, by telling that salvation could be obtained outside the church of Christ, why he said “whoever enter to the fold through me shall be saved…”
LOLyou are truly a FALSE TEACHER JUST LIKE MANALO! A CULT LEADER LOL
this is the meaning of the verse to make it clear for you boy
KJV
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.see that boy?? the DOOR IS CHRIST!
your sentence said THROUGH CHRIST
do you understand the word THROUGH?
there is no verse that you must enter to the church. no verse for that boy. 100% sure!
this is what the bible says
acts 2.47
New International Version (©1984)
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.the LORD will do that and not you or manalo. if you analyze the verse, those added to the church were BEING SAVED.
before adding to the church they are already saved!
Dear Jammin,Do not twisted the words of God.
John 10:9
Today's New International Version (TNIV)
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture.Very clear, “whoever enters through me” … enter through him into the fold. I did not say that Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior is not the door or gate. You are the one saying it and not me or not the Bible.
Acts 2:47
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.Jammin, the 21st Century King James Version is not a Bible?
It says; The Lord added to the church daily such should be saved.
The completion of their salvation is in the second coming of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
Even though the person is already inside the church of Christ, there is tendency of being to be expelled and be judged by God.
yes, Christ is the gate. the church is not the gate boy.
therefore you can enter to Christ and not to the church.
the LORD added to the church those who were being saved.
you do not need to say that you must enter to the church to be saved. the apostles are not saying that. only the false preacher manalo says that. LOLthe LORD added to the church THOSE WHO WERE BEING SAVED! thatis what the bible says.
do you know the meaning of THOSE WHO WERE BEING SAVED??do not read pasugo. read your bible
Dear Jammin,Quote yes, Christ is the gate. the church is not the gate boy.
therefore you can enter to Christ and not to the church.
the LORD added to the church those who were being saved.
you do not need to say that you must enter to the church to be saved. the apostles are not saying that. only the false preacher manalo says that. LOLI did not said that the gate is the church. You have missed understood my post. Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is the gate (door) to enter to the house of the Lord God, (church of Christ). People seeking to be saved should be inside the house of the Lord God, the church of Christ.
Proof of the Holy Scriptures: 1 Tim 3:15 KJV.
15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Jammin, read back from the very beginning of this topic before you lay down your own and plain conclusion against the will of God.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 08 2013,14:06) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 08 2013,08:49) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2013,09:26) Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 02 2013,14:53) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2012,01:50) Quote (limjunus @ Dec. 30 2012,16:06) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 21 2012,01:33) lmj Quote Dear Terrraricca, 1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; We(THE APOSTLES) are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us;.
Whose apostles are you talking about in these last days? They were all gone and Christ Jesus is in heaven sitting at the right of God.
Jesus is the one spoken; “… John 10:16 Expanded Bible (EXB)
16. I have other sheep that are not in this ·flock [fold; pen; C a reference to future Gentile followers of Christ], and I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.[a]Footnotes:
John 10:16 I have other sheep … shepherd Jesus means he has followers who are not Jews. See Jn. 11:52.The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914).
May the lord God, give you clear understanding about it.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:3Jn 1:3 It gave me great joy to have some brothers come and tell about your faithfulness to the truth and how you continue to walk in the truth.
3Jn 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truthTo the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:2Jn 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show me
Dear Terrarica,Quote Quote The 1st century church of Christ has been apostatized (empty of the true followers & the truth of God has been changed by perverse things). The reason why Christ Jesus prophesied the restoration of his church in the future (1914). as Gods message changed after the dead of the apostles
if yes ,show meDo you know the Roman Catholic Church, claiming that they were the continuation of the 1st century church of Christ?
Did you you notice the big changes of the messages of God, with their doctrines?
So, it is a very strong evidences that the messages of God, has been altered by the Roman Catholic Church, they have replaced it and had some addition from the so called Catholic holy traditions.
That's why our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus foretold the other church will comes out in the future (John 10:16 ERV).
The messages of God, did not change by the Church of Christ 1914, you are the one changing it by proclaiming that the church of Christ (religious organization built by Christ)is not necessarily today.
Show me your concrete proof Biblical that the church (organization) is no longer necessarily for the serving, worshiping the Lord God, and not the church of Christ is not important for the salvation of our souls. Do you have?
limjChrist church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom
you still lost in a men made church, read your scriptures ,i do not quote you the scriptures because you do not listen to scriptures any way ,you prefer to listen to men
Dear Terraricca,You are the one not believing with the Scriptural proofs. You are insisting your own understanding with the Sacred Scriptures even though you had failed to prove that your organization has a true messenger from God.
limjbut I do not have an organization ,to me God 's word his my rules my guide,my hope and faith,
why,?? would I need an MAN to enlighten me WEN IT HIS GOD THROUGH CHRIST THAT DOES IT ,
THE WORLD HAS TO GO TO GOD ,BUT NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THAN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST NOW IN HEAVEN AND LOOKING AT ALL THOSE WHO WILL TAKE HIS WORDS AS TRUTH AND FOLLOW THEM
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Dear Terraricca,Quote limj but I do not have an organization ,to me God 's word his my rules my guide,my hope and faith,
why,?? would I need an MAN to enlighten me WEN IT HIS GOD THROUGH CHRIST THAT DOES IT ,
THE WORLD HAS TO GO TO GOD ,BUT NOT THROUGH ANY OTHER THAN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST NOW IN HEAVEN AND LOOKING AT ALL THOSE WHO WILL TAKE HIS WORDS AS TRUTH AND FOLLOW THEM .
Now, you are talking out of the the words of God, it is a clear contradiction of your so called that the words of God, is your rules, guide, hope and faith.
You are not really observing what you have said. Here is agin the words of God, as a refreshment for you.
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Romans 14-15, 17 KJV)The faith comes from hearing of the words of God, through the preachers sent by God. Therefore, you must listen first to the true preacher sent by God, because the preacher sent by God, spoke the words of God.
Proof: 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
(Juan 3:34 KJV)The kingdom (organization) of the Son of God here on earth is the church of Christ. Those believers of Christ, should be rescued and placed inside the kingdom of God, from the the hands of the prince of darkness.
Proof: Colossians 1:12-14
New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE)12 giving thanks to the Father, who has enabled you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has rescued us from the power of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Quote Christ church is composted of 144k and it is in heaven not on earth,do you don't know that ,that there is also his kingdom Who said to you that the church of Christ is compose only of 144K? … The truth about the 144K is, there were the first fruits from the twelve tribes of Israel by the missionary during the time of our Lord Christ Jesus. God, shall call any people to be the fellowship of his son without limitation, first from Israel then to the Gentiles all over the world.
Proof:
36″Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” 37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” 38Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
(Acts. 2:36-39 KJV)“Take note: ' AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD WILL CALL”
lmjyou blabbing scriptures and not even understand them ,
I have given you many scriptures and you have disregard them all ,I have nothing no more to say to you ,except that you should read and study your bible way more ,remember it is your life what it is all about it ,not a church or org.
Dear Terraricca,Quote you blabbing scriptures and not even understand them , I have given you many scriptures and you have disregard them all ,I have nothing no more to say to you ,except that you should read and study your bible way more ,remember it is your life what it is all about it ,not a church or org.
You have forgotten, that you must show the very strong proof that the doctrines you are holding now is the true gospel of Christ, who had preached you the true gospel of Christ, the false preachers or the true one sent by God? (Romans 10:14-15, 17)
You have no divine right to give the scriptural messages to any body, unless you have gotten it from the authentic preacher/s sent by God.
It is your life and soul and not mine. You must be one among the people inside the house of God, the pillar and the ground of the truth (the church of Christ). The pillar and the foundation of the truth of God, is the church of Christ.
Scriptural evidence: 1 Tim 3:15 KJV
Read it and it was in a self explanatory context.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 08 2013,15:01) Hi limjunus, God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed j,Quote Hi limjunus, God's Kingdom isn't limited to those in your religious organization either.
Do not just post what is in your mind, you must back-up it by Scriptural evidences. Like what I had did with all of my Bible commentaries.
I am not the one plainly saying that the salvation of our souls could only be attained or obtainable for being the part of the church of Christ, the mystical body of Christ here on earth. Through the sacrificial death of the church's head (Christ Jesus) the sins of the disciples (believers of Christ) has been paid (washed away) and the followers of Christ, has been freed from the bondage of sins; free from the condemnation and have been brought back to serve and worship the only true and the living God, the Father in heaven.
Scriptural evidence shall be presented to convince you to lay down your righteous decision with the subject case/s.
Exhibit A: evidence. Ephessians 5:23-32 TEV
23For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body. 24And so wives must submit themselves completely to their husbands just as the church submits itself to Christ. 25Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. 26He did this to dedicate the church to God by his word, after making it clean by washing it in water, 27in order to present the church to himself in all its beauty–pure and faultless, without spot or wrinkle or any other imperfection. 28Men ought to love their wives just as they love their own bodies. A man who loves his wife loves himself. 29(No one ever hates his own body. Instead, he feeds it and takes care of it, just as Christ does the church; 30for we are members of his body.) 31As the scripture says, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and unite with his wife, and the two will become one.” 32There is a deep secret truth revealed in this scripture, which I understand as applying to Christ and the church.
Scriptural evidences has been presented to make the case/ argument be sufficiently realistic and free from any reasonable doubt.
Quote (limjunus @ Jan. 09 2013,16:36) Dear Terraricca, (1) You have no divine right to give the scriptural messages to any body,
unless you have gotten it from the authentic preacher/s sent by God.(2) Scriptural evidence: 1 Tim 3:15 KJV
Hi limjunus,1) What is this suppose to mean?
2) And how is 1Tim 3:15 Scriptural evidence of your assertion anyway?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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