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Limjunis would like to add this one to the list:
“The basic and the fundamental knowledge that we can be sure it came truly from God, is to hear or listen first His words from the preachers He hath been sent; Believed and be baptized, then the believers can do the commandments/laws of God.”
TO THE CONCERN PEOPLE.
BE IT KNOWN BY THIS PRESENT:
You have failed to show the 'divine identification” of your so called preachers. You hath never introduces the testimony and the law as what God's requirement to speak in behalf of Him, missing the “DIVINE CREDENTIALS” from God, to back-up the truthfulness of your recognized teachers or preachers.
Now is the time for you to think more seriously and become humble before God. Be respectful to His own “protocol” (procedures) and surrender your only owned different reasoning be under the God's will.
Do not be remained in holding your own ideas that the devil planted in your hearts, it is against the righteousness of God, .. you must throw out the demons ideas and be subjected to the God's ideas protocol).
May the Lord God bless you all.
Limjunis, can you speak plainly?
Can you plainly tell us what YOUR credentials are? I am not asking for a long confounded paragraph, but a simple explanation that a 5 year old could understand:
How do we know that YOU are from God? What are YOUR credentials? (No need to explain a process or start from the beginning. Start at the end and please, just tell us what you consider YOUR credentials to be.)
Thank you in advance.
protocol noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
pro·to·col noun \ˈprō-tə-ˌkȯl, -ˌkōl, -ˌkäl, -kəl\
Definition of PROTOCOL
1
: an original draft, minute, or record of a document or transaction3 : a : a code prescribing strict adherence to correct etiquette and precedence
In a modern generations: Computer Ages: There must be the procedures in transmitting the data;
“In computer science, a set of rules or procedures for transmitting data between electronic devices, such as computers. In order for computers to exchange information, there must be a preexisting agreement as to how the information will be structured and how each side will send and receive it. Without a protocol, a transmitting computer, for example, could be sending its data in 8-bit packets while the receiving computer might expect the data in 16-bit packets. Protocols are established by international or industry wide organizations. Perhaps the most important computer protocol is OSI (Open Systems Interconnection), a set of guidelines for implementing networking communications between computers. The most important sets of Internet protocols are TCP/IP, HTTP, and FTP.
There is also the written rule to be followed in transmitting the spiritual data (knowledge/ words of God) to the minds of the people.
The world has their own “International Foreign Policy” .. They have called it the “International Foreign Policy” (Protocol). The diplomatic relation between two country could be made under the formulated “International or foreign protocol”.
If the people in this world has the capability of creating, observing, honoring by implementing their “foreign protocol”, …. God, is more wiser than His creations. He has the set of rules. As what we can be read in 2-Cor. 2:2-7 NASB.
2. The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 3. Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4. No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier. 5. Also if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules. 6. The hard-working farmer ought to be the first to receive his share of the crops. 7. Consider what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything. 8. Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descendant of David, according to my gospel,
We can be read also the old rules and the new rules. Hebrews 9:10,13 NASB.
10. For the old system dealt only with certain rituals-what foods to eat and drink, rules for washing themselves, and rules about this and that. The people had to keep these rules to tide them over until Christ came with God's new and better way. 13. And if under the old system the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of young cows could cleanse men's bodies from sin,
So, The Bible new rules in transmitting the spiritual knowledge into human brains is by hearing the words of God, from the genuine preachers He hath sent. (Ref: Isaiah 8:20 / Romans 10:14-15, 17 NKJV)
As an athlete looking after the prize, .. he need to win by the rules or else he will lose the prize.
Follow the Lord's rules for doing his work, just as an athlete either follows the rules or is disqualified and wins no prize.. 2-Cor. 2:5 LB.
FOLLOW THE RULES OF LAW WRITTEN IN THE SACRED SCRIPTURES BECAUSE FOR NOT FOLLOWING IT, YOU WILL BE DISQUALIFIED EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD MADE THE HOLINESS THROUGHOUT YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,12:20) That was Ed, not me.
Dear David,Thank you for reminding me. I am very sorry and I do not really meant it.
Okay I'll wait for ED j, to answer it.
Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,13:14) Limjunis, can you speak plainly? Can you plainly tell us what YOUR credentials are? I am not asking for a long confounded paragraph, but a simple explanation that a 5 year old could understand:
How do we know that YOU are from God? What are YOUR credentials? (No need to explain a process or start from the beginning. Start at the end and please, just tell us what you consider YOUR credentials to be.)
Thank you in advance.
Dear David,Nice question. I will as you have wished it.
We have the true messengers, the true preachers we have been recognized them sent by God, .. they have their “divine credential” and they were the one teaching us the true meaning of the words of God.
I was considered myself one among the entrusted people whom they had been heard and entrusted the words of God, capable of teaching others as what we could be read in 2-Cor. 2:2
“2. The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
I was hearing the words of God from His genuine messenger or preacher. Therefore, for being entrusted with the words of God, and if I am capable to share to the others, …. why I should not do it?
[/B]Now, it's your turn to answer my question. “Do you think I am not capable in sharing the words of God, that I have been heard from the true preachers of God?.
Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,12:30) Ok, I think we have established who the true MESSENGERS OF GOD are and what their DIVINE CREDENTIALS are: This is how the MESSENGERS OF GOD will be known:
Bible: The entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.
God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind.
Jesus Christ: They believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God’s creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin, Mary; that his perfect human life laid down in sacrifice makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith.
God’s Kingdom: They believe that God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind; that it is a real government; that it will soon destroy the present wicked system of things, including all human governments, and that it will produce a new system in which righteousness will prevail.
Preaching: in all the nations about the good news of Christ and the kingdom. (Mat 24:14; mat 28:19,20)
Heavenly life: They believe that spirit-anointed Christians will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom, ruling as kings with him.
The earth: They believe that God’s original purpose for the earth will be fulfilled; that the earth will be completely populated by worshipers of Jehovah and that these will be able to enjoy eternal life in human perfection; that even the dead will be raised to an opportunity to share in these blessings.
Death: They believe that the dead are conscious of absolutely nothing; that they are experiencing neither pain nor pleasure in some spirit realm; that they do not exist except in God’s memory, so hope for their future life lies in a resurrection from the dead.
Separate from the world: They earnestly endeavor to be no part of the world, as Jesus said would be true of his followers. They show genuine Christian love for their neighbors, but they do not share in the politics or the wars of any nation. They provide for the material needs of their families but shun the world’s avid pursuit of material things and personal fame and its excessive indulgence in pleasure.
Apply Bible counsel: They believe that it is important to apply the counsel of God’s Word in everyday life now—at home, in school, in business, in their congregation.
(I am not here saying I want to discuss these things. I just want to see what limjunis has to say about these markers of true Christianity). I have yet to figure out exactly what he believes his divine credentials are, or should be.
Dear david,The heading of your post is “misleading”.
The Bible or the words of God, did not conform with your supporting verses to determine the true messengers of God.
Your presentation is not the right protocol, test kit or barometer instrument to check the authenticity of the so called preachers of the words of God.
The basic and the fundamental knowledge that we can be sure it came truly from God, is to hear or listen first His words from the preachers He hath been sent; Believed and be baptized, then the believers can do the commandments/laws of God.
We could not just set aside the protocol of God, by calling the people to serve Him and be saved.
God, has His own procedures to be honored and be respected and we have no rights to disregard it.
Words of God: “14 But before people can pray to the Lord for help, they must believe in him. And before they can believe in the Lord, they must hear about him..
So, before those people can call the Lord, they must be the believers of Christ. … and before they can be the believers of Christ Jesus, they must be heard the words of God.
So, how those people can hear the words of God? by reading the Bible with a pure heart? …. or anybody holding and reading a Bible, then has authority to tell the truth about God?
Here is the clear answer from the Bible: “And for anyone to hear about the Lord, someone must tell them. 15 And before anyone can go and tell them, they must be sent..
Therefore, we could not set aside the “messengers” of God, because they have the sole authority from God, to tell the truth to those people needing the “faith” (believes). Romans 10:17)
If you will not accept the preacher sent by God, to tell His words to you, then His words would not abide in your heart. As what the testimony of the Bible against you.
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. John 5:38 NKJV…
Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,12:31) And Pierre added concerning the MESSENGERS OF GOD: that all new converts are directed toward Jehovah God and Christ his son and so can only be a disciple of Christ by the message recieved from the direct disciples of Christ
Dear David,I have answered this in my previous post.
Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,17:36) “By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35) How do we identify Jesus disciples? They would have love among themselves.
This is the divine credential of the MESSENGERS OF GOD.
They have love among themselves and love of neighbour as well. They show this love by sharing the good news with everyone. (Mat 24:1; mat 28:19,20)
I submit that this is one of the divine credentials of the MESSENGERS OF GOD.
Dear David,It is not the “divine credential of the true preachers of God.
You have just presented only one of so many “qualities” has been required by God, for being the disciples or believers of Christ.
Do not tell me David, that the other group or the other christian denomination nowadays are not following that commandment of God, “to love one another?
Surely they will shout very loud at you.
The divine credential we're discussing about is, the same “divine identification” (I.D.) presented by the previous messengers of God, in the 1st century; Like with John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and the Apostles. The prophesies concerning to the genuine messengers before the were be born. It could not be claimed by the other people. It was specially made for the messengers to be by God, past or present times.
It is like with the foreign protocol in this world. The other country with a diplomatic relation to any other country shall not be recognized the person as the “foreign ambassador” to their countries without presenting the “official credential” the diplomatic documents” certifying the he/she is the official foreign ambassador has been assigned to the host country.
The person to be the ambassador to the foreign land/ nation shall not presented his/her qualities or the life style. He/she need to present his/her “official documents duly signed by the authorities in his/her native land as the authentic diplomatic credential for the true ambassador to their country.
As what I have said in my previous posts, God, is wiser than His creation and He is the originator of the so called “authentic credential” of an ambassador. (messenger).
Peace be with you.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 09 2012,15:06) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 09 2012,09:34) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 09 2012,02:28) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 08 2012,17:42) To All: WHO ARE YOU? … WHY YOU ARE PREACHING THE WORDS OF GOD? … IS YOUR DOING FOR GOD?
The same questions has been addressed to the messenger of God, .. John the Baptist.
Firstly. We must be sure that the one claiming that he is spokesman (preacher) in behalf of God, must be having the divine credential made and issued to them by God, …. the testimonies of the Bible prophesies. Romans 10:14-15, 17 / Isaiah 8:20
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV).
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist and he have presented it as his divine credential made and issued by God for him. A very special identification (I.D.) created as the pattern of God, to determine the true preachers sent by Him.
Terraricca, David, Ed J, David, Journalist-42 and other people out there preaching the words of God. Do you have the special identification (I.D./ divine credential) created and issued to you by God? … or your teachers, / Pastor/ Minister/ Preachers has?
If your answer is No, then you were still in the darkness because there is no light with your teachers or Pastor. ()Isaiah 8:20 NKJV).
limjQuote WHO ARE YOU? YES I WANDER ;WHO ARE YOU ;THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES
Dear Terricca,All of my presentations here were all derived from the Sacred Scriptures. How come you were accusing me of not believing in the Scriptures?
You better think ten times, before you could accuse someone for not believing the Sacred Scriptures. Are you believing the Sacred Scriptures Terraricca? if your answer is yes. then why you did not believe with the Scared Scriptures that I hath presented? …. may be because it is against your beliefs?
I just want to remind you for what our Lord Christ Jesus said and prayed: ” … NOT MY WILL BUT YOUR WILL BE DONE ..”
Surrender your will to the will of God, Terraricca. …now.
limjyou start to anoining me just like that girl did with Paul,
you are by no means a true messenger of God's will ,nor is your church ,
you have no scripture knowledge whats ho ever ,you have show no interest in knowledge only try to convinced the weak to join you,for this .it shows you are not of God messengers
Dear Terraricca,I did not mean to anoining [anointing] you.
and I did not claim that I am the messenger of God.
The messenger of God, is the one bearing the “divine credential” .. the testimony of the Sacred Scriptures and the rules of law of the Almighty God; .. bearing the prophesied of the Bible.
You really do not know the truth Terraricca. Because you have failed to show the divine credential from God, to back-up that your preachers/ teachers are the true preachers of God.
What scriptural knowledge that I have not, you are talking about?
Read it, it is not enough for you? show it here that the chapters and verses I had posts in this thread were not come from the Sacred Scriptures, do you have? show it here.
Do not branded me with your negatives thoughts.
If you have been annoyed with my presentations, it is not my fault. … it is because of the truth hurting you. Good, it means the medical operation with your spiritual body is working for good.
Peace be with you.
Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,12:53) Limjunis would like to add this one to the list: “The basic and the fundamental knowledge that we can be sure it came truly from God, is to hear or listen first His words from the preachers He hath been sent; Believed and be baptized, then the believers can do the commandments/laws of God.”
Dear David,What do you mean?
Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 10 2012,12:19) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,15:54) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 08 2012,22:42) To All: WHO ARE YOU? … WHY YOU ARE PREACHING THE WORDS OF GOD? … IS YOUR DOING FOR GOD?
The same questions has been addressed to the messenger of God, .. John the Baptist.
Firstly. We must be sure that the one claiming that he is spokesman (preacher) in behalf of God, must be having the divine credential made and issued to them by God, …. the testimonies of the Bible prophesies. Romans 10:14-15, 17 / Isaiah 8:20
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV).
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist and he have presented it as his divine credential made and issued by God for him. A very special identification (I.D.) created as the pattern of God, to determine the true preachers sent by Him.
Terraricca, David, Ed J, David, Journalist-42 and other people out there preaching the words of God. Do you have the special identification (I.D./ divine credential) created and issued to you by God? … or your teachers, / Pastor/ Minister/ Preachers has?
If your answer is No, then you were still in the darkness because there is no light with your teachers or Pastor. ()Isaiah 8:20 NKJV).
Hi Limjunus, Sure do!…see Joshua 22:34 in the “AKJV Bible”(74)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear david,So what is your point in posting the “Joshua 22:34 in the “AKJV Bible”?
The children of Reuben and the children of Gad[a] called the altar, Witness, “For it is a witness between us that the Lord is God.”.
Hi limjunus,If you would get the right name and a real bible you would find out.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2012,16:04) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 10 2012,12:19) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,15:54) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 08 2012,22:42) To All: WHO ARE YOU? … WHY YOU ARE PREACHING THE WORDS OF GOD? … IS YOUR DOING FOR GOD?
The same questions has been addressed to the messenger of God, .. John the Baptist.
Firstly. We must be sure that the one claiming that he is spokesman (preacher) in behalf of God, must be having the divine credential made and issued to them by God, …. the testimonies of the Bible prophesies. Romans 10:14-15, 17 / Isaiah 8:20
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV).
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist and he have presented it as his divine credential made and issued by God for him. A very special identification (I.D.) created as the pattern of God, to determine the true preachers sent by Him.
Terraricca, David, Ed J, David, Journalist-42 and other people out there preaching the words of God. Do you have the special identification (I.D./ divine credential) created and issued to you by God? … or your teachers, / Pastor/ Minister/ Preachers has?
If your answer is No, then you were still in the darkness because there is no light with your teachers or Pastor. ()Isaiah 8:20 NKJV).
Hi Limjunus, Sure do!…see Joshua 22:34 in the “AKJV Bible”(74)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear david,So what is your point in posting the “Joshua 22:34 in the “AKJV Bible”?
The children of Reuben and the children of Gad[a] called the altar, Witness, “For it is a witness between us that the Lord is God.”.
Hi limjunus,If you would get the right name and a real bible you would find out.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dera ED J,So, why not bring it here if you had the reliable Bible version?
If it is the truth, why you just keeping it with you?
Ed J,
Do you have the divine credential to preach the words of God, or did your preachers have the divine credential made and intended for them by God? Is your founder or preachers have the prophesies of the Prophets written in the Bible that they shall be the true messengers of God?
If your answer is “NONE”. then you have no truth (light) to be share here in this forum.
Peace.
Hi limjunus,
Do you believe what the bible says?
Is this not in fact what you are doing here?“we have not rather done it for fear of this thing, saying,
In time to come your children might speak unto our children,
saying, What have ye to do with the LORD God of Israel? For the
LORD hath made Jordan a border between us and you,” (Josh 22:24-25)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi limjunus,
Will you please vote and comment on my poll here. (Link)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (limjunus @ Nov. 10 2012,17:12) Dera ED J, So, why not bring it here if you had the reliable Bible version?
If it is the truth, why you just keeping it with you?
Hi limjunus, (Link)Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people.1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it's exactly the way GOD wanted it!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orglmj
Quote Read it, it is not enough for you? . wen and were did I ever say that that was enough
?Quote Do not branded me with your negatives thoughts. you are branding yourself ;you have quoted 5 or 6 scriptures all the rest of your speach is wind making dust,
Quote You really do not know the truth Terraricca. well I have about 16000 quotes in many topics even under my name (means I started )COULD YOU PICK ONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHOW ME HOW FAR FROM TRUTH THAT i AM
then we can look at your 700 and see what you realy saying of truth .
if you do not take this challenge you could always take your words back about me not knowing the truth of God ,
right now I have quoted more scriptures than you have quotes on this site.
19. Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “WHO ARE YOU?” 20. He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21. And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22. Then they said to him, “WHO ARE YOU”, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? WHAT CAN YOU SAY ABOUT YOURSELF”What?”
John the Baptist answered: 23. He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19-23 NKJV).
3The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God. Isaiah 40:3
The “divine credential of the true messenger/ preacher of God. … The prophesies (testimony) and the “law” (Isaiah 8:20) … the rules of law by God.
If any of the so called preachers nowadays speak (preaching) in behalf of God, without the divine credential, … we could clearly distinguish and we can easily figure out them, the false preachers. … 'been foretold by Christ Jesus and the Apostles.
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