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Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2012,17:19) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 01 2012,16:56) Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2012,01:11) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,19:29) Hi limjunus, Is that really all you intend this thread to be about?
Non a (teaching) comparison between “THE MESS-
ENGERS OF GOD” and The true preachers of God?“THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” (Prophets Apostles)
The true preachers of God (Evangelists Pastors)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Is this what he has been trying to say?Is that what you have been trying to say?
Dear David,Before the people can go on with the so called preacher of God's words, firstly he “must” prove in the light of the Bible that he is the true preacher sent by God.
As and for being careful in seeking the truth of God, you “must be sure” that the preacher you are dealing is the genuine teacher of the gospel of Christ.
As we have aware there were many-many false preachers going around the world and cheating many-many people all over the world.
If you are careful in buying the medicines, … you “must know” which is genuine and not or else you just wasting your money and your sickness would be worsening instead of curing it. …the same of buying the truth.
Peace.
limjunis,You have this great habit of telling me things I already know, and believe, while completely ignoring things I don't know but want to know.
What I have asked to know, that I don't already know is:
What do you believe the credentials are to distinguish between the “weeds” of Jesus parable, and the “wheat”?
Dear david,I will do it again for the sake of discussion and sharing.
The divine credential I am talking about is base with the words of God, written in the Book of Isaiah Chapter 8, verse 20 NKJV.
Are you looking for the “light” (truth of God) regarding how to distinguish the true preacher sent by God?
The preacher to be must be having the testimony of the prophesies written in the Bible even before they can be born.
John the Baptist has it.
Christ Jesus has it.
Apostles Paul and Barnabas has it.
The church has been build by Christ has it also.Nowadays in our times, is there a preacher having the testimony of the Bible prophesies, the same with John the Baptist, Christ Jesus, Apostles Paul and Barnabas?
There is!
Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2012,01:15) Quote Here we go again. Read it carefully and do your best to understand it well. 14. How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
15. And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
17. So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The very messages from the Scared Scriptures is vividly clear. It doesn't said that the above post phrases were merely for a limited time. It is applicable from generation to generations, up to our generations.
How can you call the Lord, if you not believing on Him, but before you can have believe you must hear the words of God, .. and how can you heard the words of God, if there is no preacher sent by God? Faith comes from hearing the words of God, through and from the preacher by God.
How can you be a preacher sent by God, if you have none the written prophesies as your divine credential and testimony for being the true preacher of God? (Ref: Isaiah 8:20 NKJV)
I think it makes sense for you to LIST some of the credentials that they are speaking of.
Dear david,Yeah, I agree with you but you missed it. even though I have posts them already in my previous posting I will do it again for the sake of truth.
Isaiah 8:20 NKJV is the divine credential presented by John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and the Apostles; Paul and Barnabas.
It were prophesied and designed by God, for them before they shall be born in this world.
So, when they have introduced their divine credentials; they were the one proclaiming the fulfillment of the said prophesies.
a.) John the Baptist, claiming by himself the written prophesied: “I am the one shouting in the wilderness, prepare the way for the Lord” as what it was said in the book of Prophet Isaiah.
b.) Christ Jesus, also claiming the written prophesied of Prophet Isaiah for him by himself: “God spirit is with me, I have anointed me to tell the good news, the say the great day of the Lord God, free the prisoners, let the blinds received their sights and the sick people be cured …”
c.) Apostle Paul also claiming by himself the prophesied written by Prophet Isaiah: ” It is easy for me to make the light in the gentiles…”
If the preacher we are dealing nowadays is spoken in accordance with words of God, written by the Prophet Isaiah in chapter 8, verse 20, surely that preacher is having the divine credential specially made by God.
The “testimony” is the written prophesies and the “law” is the commandments of God.
Now, my very important question is, “Did your preacher has the same divine credentials like what the Bible said?
Do not forget the messages of the Bible: “If they did not speak according to the testimony and to the law of God, there is no light with him/them”.
May the Lord God open the eyes of your heart to see the shining truth from God.
Peace.
To all concern:
I will leave for a while and be back soon. Just post and I will read it later.
God bless you.
Here are some Biblical information that would be useful in determining the true messenger of God. The Tasks to be done by the messenger.
36. But the testimony which I have is greater than that of John; for the works which the Father has granted me to accomplish, these very works which I am doing, bear me witness that the Father has sent me. John 5:36 RSV.
39. You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
25. Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness to me;
2. And when John had heard in prison about the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples 3and said to Him, “Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?” 4.Jesus answered and said to them, “Go and tell John the things which you hear and see: 5. The blind see and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them. ( Matthew 11:-5 NKJV).
We have learned from our Lord Christ Jesus, that we need to see and check the tasks commissioned by God with His messenger and could be included as the testimony and proving that he is the messenger of God. The fulfillment of his jobs to do.
Now, the very important question is, did your preacher has the testimony (prophesies) written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah?
If your answer is none then your preacher is not the messenger of God. He is the impostor and one among the so called many false preachers of the gospel of Christ scattered around the world.
They are the “fake” planters (preachers) of the seed (words) of God. They were the instruments of the prince of darkness the enemy of the truth of God.
May be the information I had shared with you is a new one compare to what you have believing now, even though it is not the taste you are seeking for but it is the truth and nothing but the truth from God, written Sacred Scriptures.
May the Lord God, open the eyes of your heart and let the shining truth of God, lightening you all out there.
Glory be to God, in the name of Christ Jesus.
Amen.
Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 01 2012,12:13) Quote (terraria @ Nov. 01 2012,03:20) ]limj Rom;10;17. So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Jas 1:6 But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
Jas 1:7 That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord;
Jas 1:8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.
Jas 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.Jas 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.
Jas 1:23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror
Jas 1:24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.
Jas 1:25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.you should read more and do much more of what you read
Dear Terraria,It is not the list of doctrines to be the based of determining the true preacher.
The very important method in facing the so called preacher of God's words, is the “divine credential” duly certified by the Bible.
Before the people can go on with the so called preacher of God's words, firstly he “must” prove in the light of the Bible that he is the true preacher sent by God.
As and for being careful in seeking the truth of God, you “must be sure” that the preacher you are dealing is the genuine teacher of the gospel of Christ.
As we have aware there were many-many false preachers going around the world and cheating many-many people all over the world.
If you are really careful in buying the medicines for your illness, … you “must know” which is genuine and not or else you just wasting your money and your sickness would be worsening than before instead of curing it. …the same method of hearing the gospel of Christ or the truth.
I am doing my very best in sharing with you guys “the knowledge” from the Sacred Scriptures, had been taught by the genuine messenger of God, how to distinguish the true teacher sent by God and the false teacher sent by the devil.
If you have the same knowledge as mine, bring it out here and let us compare which one is the authentic one?.
]limjQuote It is not the list of doctrines to be the based of determining the true preacher. 
this starts to become funny,I mean your answers ,we say something that is true to scriptures YOU DISQUALIFY IT JUST BY YOUR OWN WORDS,this is called FLIP FLAFFING ,i THINK,SO THAT THEIR COULD BE ONLY ONE TRUE ANSWER TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND THAT HIS YOURS,
SO ANY CONVERSATION DOES NOT NEED MUCH BESIDE ACCEPTING THAT YOU ARE RIGHT AND ANY OTHER HIS WRONG,
THIS WAY OF TALKING BRINGS YOUR PREACHER ABOVE CHRIST AND HIS DISCIPLES ,AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT, THAT IS EVER POSSIBLE TO BE EQUAL TO THE SON OF GOD,SO YOUR PREACHER HIS A FALSE PREACHER AND AN IMPOSTER AND YOUR WORDS DO NOT MEAN A THING IN TRUTH OF GODS WORD.
Quote Now, my very important question is, “Did your preacher has the same divine credentials like what the Bible said? –limjunis.
Limjunis, how would YOU answer this question, that you ask us?
You may answer “yes.” But, my next question would be: what SPECIFICALLY are those credentials that YOUR preacher has?
Quote Isaiah 8:20 NKJV is the divine credential presented by John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and the Apostles; Paul and Barnabas. Hi. Since this scripture seems quite moorland to you, could you explain why this scripture in particular is the divine credential?
“To the law and to the attestation!
Surely they will keep saying what is according to this statement that will have no light of dawn.” (Isaiah 8:20)Which statement does this refer to?
What does light of dawn refer to?
Could you explain why this scripture is so important to you?Quote The “testimony” is the written prophesies and the “law” is the commandments of God. Now, my very important question is, “Did your preacher has the same divine credentials like what the Bible said?
Do not forget the messages of the Bible: “If they did not speak according to the testimony and to the law of God, there is no light with him/them”.
If a person does not speak according to the [written prophecies] and to [commandments of God], there is no light in that person.
I think we all agree on that. The problem is, understanding the written prophecies and the commandments of God. It is the understanding and the specifics that people disagree on.
Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2012,09:39) Quote Isaiah 8:20 NKJV is the divine credential presented by John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and the Apostles; Paul and Barnabas. Hi. Since this scripture seems quite moorland to you, could you explain why this scripture in particular is the divine credential?
“To the law and to the attestation!
Surely they will keep saying what is according to this statement that will have no light of dawn.” (Isaiah 8:20)Which statement does this refer to?
What does light of dawn refer to?
Could you explain why this scripture is so important to you?
Hi david.What they mean with the light of dawn is the coming up of the sun god. The morning sun.They worship the sun god,what the egyptians do.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2012,02:54) Quote (limjunus @ Nov. 01 2012,12:13) Quote (terraria @ Nov. 01 2012,03:20) ]limj Rom;10;17. So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Jas 1:6 But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
Jas 1:7 That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord;
Jas 1:8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.
Jas 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.Jas 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.
Jas 1:23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror
Jas 1:24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.
Jas 1:25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.you should read more and do much more of what you read
Dear Terraria,It is not the list of doctrines to be the based of determining the true preacher.
The very important method in facing the so called preacher of God's words, is the “divine credential” duly certified by the Bible.
Before the people can go on with the so called preacher of God's words, firstly he “must” prove in the light of the Bible that he is the true preacher sent by God.
As and for being careful in seeking the truth of God, you “must be sure” that the preacher you are dealing is the genuine teacher of the gospel of Christ.
As we have aware there were many-many false preachers going around the world and cheating many-many people all over the world.
If you are really careful in buying the medicines for your illness, … you “must know” which is genuine and not or else you just wasting your money and your sickness would be worsening than before instead of curing it. …the same method of hearing the gospel of Christ or the truth.
I am doing my very best in sharing with you guys “the knowledge” from the Sacred Scriptures, had been taught by the genuine messenger of God, how to distinguish the true teacher sent by God and the false teacher sent by the devil.
If you have the same knowledge as mine, bring it out here and let us compare which one is the authentic one?.
]limjQuote It is not the list of doctrines to be the based of determining the true preacher. this starts to become funny,I mean your answers ,we say something that is true to scriptures YOU DISQUALIFY IT JUST BY YOUR OWN WORDS,this is called FLIP FLAFFING ,i THINK,SO THAT THEIR COULD BE ONLY ONE TRUE ANSWER TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND THAT HIS YOURS,
SO ANY CONVERSATION DOES NOT NEED MUCH BESIDE ACCEPTING THAT YOU ARE RIGHT AND ANY OTHER HIS WRONG,
THIS WAY OF TALKING BRINGS YOUR PREACHER ABOVE CHRIST AND HIS DISCIPLES ,AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT, THAT IS EVER POSSIBLE TO BE EQUAL TO THE SON OF GOD,SO YOUR PREACHER HIS A FALSE PREACHER AND AN IMPOSTER AND YOUR WORDS DO NOT MEAN A THING IN TRUTH OF GODS WORD.
DEar Terraricca,Why you did not chose the “phrases” I have completely post?
Quote: “It is not only the list of doctrines to be the based of determining the true preacher.”.
Why you just ignore the unique pattern made by God, to distinguish the true and the false preachers?
The testimony of the prophesies written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah, are the divine credential have been presented by the true messengers of God, like John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and the Apostles.
The issue is not my sole understanding, the issue is the way how to determine the true preachers sent by God, and how to distinguish the false preachers sent by Satan.
Do not tell me that all the preachers roaming around the world nowadays are true preachers?
The truth I have been shared with you is not from my own story. It is from and supported by the Bible.
You are not happy with my presentation because it did not favor your stand.
I shall not wonder why?, because you are not alone to disagree with the truth of the Bible, there were many and we are few.
Our group number is “few” compare to the billion number of so called Christians in the whole world.
Billions symbolizing “many enter to the wide road” …. and …. 10, 20 30, or 50 millions number is symbolizing the “few”.
Ref: Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV.
[/B]13. “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Chose which number are belong Terraricca?
Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2012,09:39) Quote Isaiah 8:20 NKJV is the divine credential presented by John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and the Apostles; Paul and Barnabas. Hi. Since this scripture seems quite moorland to you, could you explain why this scripture in particular is the divine credential?
“To the law and to the attestation!
Surely they will keep saying what is according to this statement that will have no light of dawn.” (Isaiah 8:20)Which statement does this refer to?
What does light of dawn refer to?
Could you explain why this scripture is so important to you?
Dear david,Read the Isaiah 8:20 New King James Version.
20.To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
.Try to have a very deep study about it.
John the Baptist, Christ Jesus and the Apostle Pablo/Barnabas used that unique patter written in Isaiah 8:20 as their divine credentials.
“THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” Part-3
Presuming that were in the times of Christ Jesus. For being observers, were sitting very near the ringside, watching closely the events of baptism in the River of Jordan by a man that we really do not who is he. Here is the actual events:
19Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:1923 NKJV)
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist. How about the remaining prophesied? So, we need to watch again and find out who are the people suited for the Prophet Isaiah prophesied? Here is another event. Assuming that were inside and standing inside the synagogue. A man entered and he begun to do his acts.
14Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and news of Him went out through all the surrounding region. 15And He taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all. 16So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: 18″The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.” 20Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” (Luke 13-21 NKJV)
The same with John the Baptist. The man entered inside the Synagogue, name Jesus, claimed the the Chapter 61: verses 1-3 of the Book of Prophet Isaiah has been fulfilled to Christ Jesus.
How about the remaining prophesied, to whom it shall be fulfilled? Okay, do not be rushed, let us go to the time of the Apostles. We will listen watch and observe which the remaining prophesied be fulfilled to whom? Here is the event and Christ Jesus was already ascended to heaven.
46. Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47. For so the Lord has commanded us: 'I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.'
17. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18. to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.' (Acts 13:46-47, 26:17-18 NKJV)
The same with John the Baptist, Christ Jesus, Apostle Paul claiming the prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah, Chapter 49: verse 6, has been fulfilled with Paul and Barnabas.
All of the testimonies concerning the true messengers of God, has been written before they could be born. The divine credentials specially made by God, and it was the unique pattern of God, to justified that the preachers of the words of God, were really sent by Him. God, honored it and order to prophet Isaiah to jot it down for the record in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 8: verse 20. Here is what we can be read.
.Do you comprehend the presented events by the Bible just for nothing, …. it were recorded in the Bible just for non-sense?
It were recorded in the Bible, because of us in the latter days. As what the Bible said. in Romans 15:3-4 NKJV.
3For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, “The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me.” 4For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.
Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2012,09:35) Quote Now, my very important question is, “Did your preacher has the same divine credentials like what the Bible said? –limjunis.
Limjunis, how would YOU answer this question, that you ask us?
You may answer “yes.” But, my next question would be: what SPECIFICALLY are those credentials that YOUR preacher has?
Dear david,Here is the divine credentials; the written testimony; the prophesies for the true messenger/s of God, in our times.
[/B]5. Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, And gather you from the west; 6. I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' And to the south, 'Do not keep them back!' Bring My sons from afar, And My daughters from the ends of the earth 7. Everyone who is called by My name, Whom I have created for My glory; I have formed him, yes, I have made him.”
.There were many but you need to be patient. I will start with the above Bible Testimony.
Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2012,09:45) Quote The “testimony” is the written prophesies and the “law” is the commandments of God. Now, my very important question is, “Did your preacher has the same divine credentials like what the Bible said?
Do not forget the messages of the Bible: “If they did not speak according to the testimony and to the law of God, there is no light with him/them”.
If a person does not speak according to the [written prophecies] and to [commandments of God], there is no light in that person.
I think we all agree on that. The problem is, understanding the written prophecies and the commandments of God. It is the understanding and the specifics that people disagree on.
Dear david,That's why the verse 14-15,17 of the Book of Romans has been written. It were written for people in ends times of the world.
Only the preachers sent by God, can preach the words of God.
14. How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15. And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
17.So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.limj
Quote You are not happy with my presentation because it did not favor your stand 
I stand with the truth of the whole scriptures ;the false preachers ONLY PICK SCRIPTURES HERE AND THERE AS YOU DO;limj
Quote Do not tell me that all the preachers roaming around the world nowadays are true preachers? Did I ever say a thing like that
NO;why you even ask; I have answered that question in the few first quote to you;THE SCRIPTURES ARE THE MESSAGE AND SO ANYONE COULD BE USED BY GOD EITHER TO TRANSPORT ,GIVE,PARTICIPATE IN THE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE SCRIPTURES TO ALL MEN IN THE WORLD YESTERDAY AND TODAY;PLANTING THE SEED IS ONE THING ;BUT IT IS GOD THAT MAKE IT GROW; NOT YOUR PREACHER(S)
LIMJ
Quote I shall not wonder why?, because you are not alone to disagree with the truth of the Bible, there were many and we are few. here his the correction of your statement;because you are not alone to disagree with MY/OUR truth of the Bible, there were many and we are few.this his our excuse for our ignorance of the real truth of scriptures we (limj preachers)want all the people listen to us but we know it will not happen why is that
answer ;because it is Gods works not Men's work
limj
Quote Why you just ignore the unique pattern made by God, to distinguish the true and the false preachers? trust me I do not ignore what God and Christ has taught me in there MESSAGE ,you come up and take a diversion and part of the message and declare it unique and self reliable to you ,this is insanity in the eyes of a true believer
limj
the only new thing you have come up with his the story of your PREACHER what you believe to be the true one ;that's it
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2012,01:27) limj Quote You are not happy with my presentation because it did not favor your stand I stand with the truth of the whole scriptures ;the false preachers ONLY PICK SCRIPTURES HERE AND THERE AS YOU DO;
Dear Terraricca,So, you do not like the truth I had presented to you. What verses I have post that did not belong to the truth in the Bible?
Can you re-post it.
Now, you are dragging away the issue by accusing me without any proofs.
The rightful things to say is, “The false preachers were not having the divine credential;there is no prophesies written in the Bible for them to prove that there the true preachers sent by God.
Not the one you have tried to portrait. You are just talking something from your own mind and not from the Bible.
Peace.
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