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“THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” Part-3
Presuming that were in the times of Christ Jesus. For being observers, were sitting very near the ringside, watching closely the events of baptism in the River of Jordan by a man that we really do not who is he. Here is the actual events:
19Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:1923 NKJV)
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist. How about the remaining prophesied? So, we need to watch again and find out who are the people suited for the Prophet Isaiah prophesied? Here is another events. Assuming that were inside and standing inside the synagogue. A man entered and he begin to do his acts.
[/B]Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and news of Him went out through all the surrounding region. 15. And He taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all. 16. So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17. And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: 18. “The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19. To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.” 20. Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.[/B]
(Luke 14-21 NKJV)The same with John the Baptist. The man entered inside the Synagogue, name Jesus, claimed the the Chapter 61: verses 1-3 of the Book of Prophet Isaiah has been fulfilled to Christ Jesus.
How about the remaining prophesied, to whom it shall be fulfilled? Okay, do not be rushed, let us go to the time of the Apostles. We will listen watch and observe which the remaining prophesied be fulfilled to whom? Here is the event and Christ Jesus was already ascended to heaven.
46. Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47. For so the Lord has commanded us: 'I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.'
17. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18. to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.' (Acts 13:46-47, 26:17-18 NKJV)
The same with John the Baptist, Christ Jesus, Apostle Paul claiming the prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah, Chapter 49: verse 6, has been fulfilled with Paul and Barnabas.
All of the testimonies concerning the true messengers of God, has been written before they could be born. The divine credentials specially made by God, and it was the unique pattern of God, to justified that the preachers of the words of God, were really sent by Him. God, honored it and order to prophet Isaiah to jot it down for the record in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 8: verse 20. Here is what we can be read.
20To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
please, continue to my next post.
God bless you.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,00:17) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,23:27) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,My question, in case it has escaped you, is:
Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,OK, will you please answer my question now?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,No “match”.
Because, even the other men can make miracles, casting out demons and can do the mighty works in the name of Christ Jesus, it wont validated their works as a pass to enter to the kingdom of God.
Proofs from the Holy Scriptures:
21. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23. And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' 24. “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine,(Christ doctrines) and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25. and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
35.For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” Matthew 7:21-5, Mark 3:35 NKJV.
Christ Jesus will recognize the people believing and obeying his words (God's will) as his brothers, sisters and mother (his household/ church)
Peace.
Hi limjunus,You say no match, but you offer no evidence that would suggest that either the people John
was referring to nor yet anyone outside the COC group are not following Christs doctrines?
So saying 'no match' and it actually being no match is nothing more than your opinion, no?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,The evidence was written. As what John statement:
“And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.If the man is with them, he must follow the apostles order. He do not want to obey the apostles commandment how come the man is one among the people inside the church. He just doing it by himself, like the other men doing miracles and mighty works in the name of Christ Jesus, but shall not permitted to enter in the kingdom of God.
God bless you.
limj
I follow you quite good so far,I did all this when I was younger ,and today I read the scriptures and go to that time automaticaly ,and understand that it talks to me ,because i am part of the listners
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2012,00:31) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,14:01) Terraricca and to all interested people, [/B]“The Messengers of God” continuation of part-2
Now, the essence of our observation through visionary in our minds on the Patriarch time is, we have learned that the Creator do the communication directly to the person concern and giving the instructions or commandments what to do for the salvation of them.
Let us go to the time of the Prophet Abraham and Moises. How our Creator, communicate with the concern people?
1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, Jehovah appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be the father of a multitude of nations. 5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for the father of a multitude of nations have I made thee. 6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee and to thy seed after thee. 8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land of thy sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. (Gen. 17:1-8 asv)
There is no doubt, the Creator, did the direct communications to the concern person and gave His Sacred covenants accompany by promises.
1Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.” 4So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. 7And the LORD said: “I have surely seen the oppression of My people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cry because of their taskmasters, for I know their sorrows. 8So I have come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up from that land to a good and large land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites. (Exo. 3:1-8 nkjv)
God, remembered His promises to Abraham; He called Moises and sent to Egypt to free the people of Israel from the slavery and let the people of God, and be served Him.
3So Moses and Aaron came in to Pharaoh and said to him, “Thus says the LORD God of the Hebrews: 'How long will you refuse to humble yourself before Me? Let My people go, that they may serve Me.
Then Pharaoh's servants said to him, “How long shall this man be a snare to us? Let the men go, that they may serve the LORD their God. Do you not yet know that Egypt is destroyed?” 8So Moses and Aaron were brought again to Pharaoh, and he said to them, “Go, serve the LORD your God. Who are the ones that are going?” (Exo. 10:3,7-8 nkjv.)From the time of Moises and Aaron, God, communicates His people through His appointed Prophets; the Creator, gave His commandments to the Prophets, to speak to the people in behalf of God; covenants, commandments; prophesies have been jot down by the Prophets; except the “ten commandments”, God made the ten commandments by His hands into two pieces of the stones.
Let us go and observe the prophesied written by the Prophets of God, how the Prophets got the words of God, and what is the instructions of our Creator regarding with His foretold messages?
6Then He said, “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream. (Number 6:12 nkjv)
20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?' 22when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut. 18:20-21 nkjv)
We have heard as the observers, that the genuine foretold words of God, through His prophet, shall come into pass, if it doesn’t happened, meaning the prophet “spoken in a manner of overstepping due bounds; with his own sayings alone” In other words: even though he is the genuine prophet, but spoken over (adding) the words by God.
to be continue…
limjQuote We have heard as the observers, that the genuine foretold words of God, through His prophet, shall come into pass, if it doesn’t happened, meaning the prophet “spoken in a manner of overstepping due bounds; with his own sayings alone” In other words: even though he is the genuine prophet, but spoken over (adding) the words by God. Dt 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”
put to dead that prophet ;in todays words it means do not follow or listen to this man,
Christ has said that it is our personal responsibility to make sure of what we know come from God or not ;
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches.
Rev 22:10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near.
Rev 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”those scriptures are very clear to me .what about you
Dear Terraricca,I am humbly requesting you to follow my posts. As what I
have told you before, it needs to take 3-parts and please continue your reading and get the salts you are longing for.It is so very much essential in digging the true treasures the same with the “treasures hunters” .. if the worldly treasures is very difficult to find, it is more than in finding the true treasures of God.
God bless you.
“THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … Part-3.
Still assuming that we are still in the times of Apostles (1st century A.D) and we having happy moment of reading the Book of Prophet Isaiah, finding and reading another prophesied for another person to be the true preachers of Christ gospel the future to comes after the 1st century church of Christ been apostatized. Surely, we could not tell the name of the concern person to be the preachers of the words of God, because he has not yet born in flesh and we could tell exactly who is he really?
Now, is there a written prophesied in the Book of Isaiah to be fulfilled in our times?
Let me continue the digging of the treasures of God, in my next post.
Good night ans till then.
God bless you all.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,20:33) “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” Part-3 Presuming that were in the times of Christ Jesus. For being observers, were sitting very near the ringside, watching closely the events of baptism in the River of Jordan by a man that we really do not who is he. Here is the actual events:
19Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:1923 NKJV)
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist. How about the remaining prophesied? So, we need to watch again and find out who are the people suited for the Prophet Isaiah prophesied? Here is another events. Assuming that were inside and standing inside the synagogue. A man entered and he begin to do his acts.
[/B]Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and news of Him went out through all the surrounding region. 15. And He taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all. 16. So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17. And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: 18. “The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19. To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.” 20. Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.[/B]
(Luke 14-21 NKJV)The same with John the Baptist. The man entered inside the Synagogue, name Jesus, claimed the the Chapter 61: verses 1-3 of the Book of Prophet Isaiah has been fulfilled to Christ Jesus.
How about the remaining prophesied, to whom it shall be fulfilled? Okay, do not be rushed, let us go to the time of the Apostles. We will listen watch and observe which the remaining prophesied be fulfilled to whom? Here is the event and Christ Jesus was already ascended to heaven.
46. Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47. For so the Lord has commanded us: 'I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.'
17. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18. to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.' (Acts 13:46-47, 26:17-18 NKJV)
The same with John the Baptist, Christ Jesus, Apostle Paul claiming the prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah, Chapter 49: verse 6, has been fulfilled with Paul and Barnabas.
All of the testimonies concerning the true messengers of God, has been written before they could be born. The divine credentials specially made by God, and it was the unique pattern of God, to justified that the preachers of the words of God, were really sent by Him. God, honored it and order to prophet Isaiah to jot it down for the record in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 8: verse 20. Here is what we can be read.
20To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
please, continue to my next post.
God bless you.
LMJQuote please, continue to my next post. God bless you.
WERE IS YOUR NEXT POST AFTER THIS ONE
??addendum
Quote: “…and we could tell exactly who is he really?
Should be “…and we could not tell exactly who is he really?
Thank you.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,21:02) “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … Part-3. Still assuming that we are still in the times of Apostles (1st century A.D) and we having happy moment of reading the Book of Prophet Isaiah, finding and reading another prophesied for another person to be the true preachers of Christ gospel the future to comes after the 1st century church of Christ been apostatized. Surely, we could not tell the name of the concern person to be the preachers of the words of God, because he has not yet born in flesh and we could tell exactly who is he really?
Now, is there a written prophesied in the Book of Isaiah to be fulfilled in our times?
Let me continue the digging of the treasures of God, in my next post.
Good night ans till then.
God bless you all.
LIMJSurely, we could not tell the name of the concern person to be the preachers of the words of God,
witch scripture would that be
?Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2012,02:02) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,20:33) “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” Part-3 Presuming that were in the times of Christ Jesus. For being observers, were sitting very near the ringside, watching closely the events of baptism in the River of Jordan by a man that we really do not who is he. Here is the actual events:
19Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23He said: “I am 'The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the LORD,”' as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:1923 NKJV)
The prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah concerning the Chapter 40:verse 3 has been fulfilled to John the Baptist. How about the remaining prophesied? So, we need to watch again and find out who are the people suited for the Prophet Isaiah prophesied? Here is another events. Assuming that were inside and standing inside the synagogue. A man entered and he begin to do his acts.
[/B]Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and news of Him went out through all the surrounding region. 15. And He taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all. 16. So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17. And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: 18. “The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19. To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.” 20. Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.[/B]
(Luke 14-21 NKJV)The same with John the Baptist. The man entered inside the Synagogue, name Jesus, claimed the the Chapter 61: verses 1-3 of the Book of Prophet Isaiah has been fulfilled to Christ Jesus.
How about the remaining prophesied, to whom it shall be fulfilled? Okay, do not be rushed, let us go to the time of the Apostles. We will listen watch and observe which the remaining prophesied be fulfilled to whom? Here is the event and Christ Jesus was already ascended to heaven.
46. Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47. For so the Lord has commanded us: 'I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.'
17. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18. to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.' (Acts 13:46-47, 26:17-18 NKJV)
The same with John the Baptist, Christ Jesus, Apostle Paul claiming the prophesied written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah, Chapter 49: verse 6, has been fulfilled with Paul and Barnabas.
All of the testimonies concerning the true messengers of God, has been written before they could be born. The divine credentials specially made by God, and it was the unique pattern of God, to justified that the preachers of the words of God, were really sent by Him. God, honored it and order to prophet Isaiah to jot it down for the record in the Book of Isaiah, chapter 8: verse 20. Here is what we can be read.
20To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
please, continue to my next post.
God bless you.
LMJQuote please, continue to my next post. God bless you.
WERE IS YOUR NEXT POST AFTER THIS ONE
??
Dear Terraricca,It was already posted. Just browse the pages.
God bless you.
limj
Quote Dear Terraricca, It was already posted. Just browse the pages.
yeah i sew it ,i am running fast
limj
you have to send a PM to t8 requesting editing rights on your quotes ,so you can go back and correct them if needed .
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2012,02:06) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,21:02) “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … Part-3. Still assuming that we are still in the times of Apostles (1st century A.D) and we having happy moment of reading the Book of Prophet Isaiah, finding and reading another prophesied for another person to be the true preachers of Christ gospel the future to comes after the 1st century church of Christ been apostatized. Surely, we could not tell the name of the concern person to be the preachers of the words of God, because he has not yet born in flesh and we could tell exactly who is he really?
Now, is there a written prophesied in the Book of Isaiah to be fulfilled in our times?
Let me continue the digging of the treasures of God, in my next post.
Good night ans till then.
God bless you all.
LIMJSurely, we could not tell the name of the concern person to be the preachers of the words of God,
witch scripture would that be
?
Dear Terraricca,The Scriptures is the Book of Prophet Isaiah. Most the prophesied for the true preachers sent by God, was written in the Book of Prophet Isaiah.
In my next post I will show it to you and to those other contributors having interest with issue or topic.
I almost 8 hours sitting down here with my PC and I need to have some rest and also to do some very important matters need to be attend to.
Good night and may the Lord God, bless you.
Thank you.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2012,02:12) limj you have to send a PM to t8 requesting editing rights on your quotes ,so you can go back and correct them if needed .
Dear Terraricca,I do not know how to edit my post. Can you teach how to do it with this system?
Thank you very much and again may the Lord God, bless you in the name of Christ Jesus.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 24 2012,02:10) limj Quote Dear Terraricca, It was already posted. Just browse the pages.
yeah i sew it ,i am running fast
Dear Terraricca, I've found that it was nice sharing with you. I am 64 years old.
Again, Good night.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 24 2012,01:42) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,00:17) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,23:27) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,22:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,My question, in case it has escaped you, is:
Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,OK, will you please answer my question now?
God bless
Ed J
Dear Ed J,No “match”.
Because, even the other men can make miracles, casting out demons and can do the mighty works in the name of Christ Jesus, it wont validated their works as a pass to enter to the kingdom of God.
Proofs from the Holy Scriptures:
21. “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23. And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' 24. “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine,(Christ doctrines) and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25. and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
35.For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” Matthew 7:21-5, Mark 3:35 NKJV.
Christ Jesus will recognize the people believing and obeying his words (God's will) as his brothers, sisters and mother (his household/ church)
Peace.
Hi limjunus,You say no match, but you offer no evidence that would suggest that either the people John
was referring to nor yet anyone outside the COC group are not following Christs doctrines?
So saying 'no match' and it actually being no match is nothing more than your opinion, no?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Dear Ed J,The evidence was written. As what John statement:
“And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.If the man is with them, he must follow the apostles order. He do not want to obey the apostles commandment how come the man is one among the people inside the church. He just doing it by himself, like the other men doing miracles and mighty works in the name of Christ Jesus, but shall not permitted to enter in the kingdom of God.
God bless you.
Hi limjunus,If people refuse to put themselves under the yoke of your religious organization,
you think that you can deny them entrance into God's kingdom? There is no evidence
whatsoever of them doing any iniquity for you to make such grandiose accusations with.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orglimj
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Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,20:56) Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:47) Quote The Bible did not consider the different religious organization with their own different signatures versions fighting and opposing against one another are all true groups for God. The Bible was telling us in advance thousand years ago, that there shall be false churches or group of religious people. False versions were many but the true church that bears the truth of God, is only one I've read this a few times. Actually confused on it. Are you saying that the different groups fighting and opposing one another are all true groups for God? Or, not true groups for God?
My dear David,To make easy for you. I will make it short-cut.
All the churches scattered all over the earth nowadays could not be deemed the true church of Christ. There is only one true religious group.
The single group of people, called the true chosen people of God or the true church of Christ must be having a preachers sent by God.
If you want to know it? go to this link: “https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=31;t=4394;st=270#entry371523
Peace.
Limjunis, I do understand the idea that preachers are needed. I have spent quite a bit of time considering this. I certainly know that most groups have conflicting doctrines, and thus, all cannot represent truth. I also know that extremely few groups are making any real attempt to preach to everyone.There are you guys, which I've never heard of, up until a few days ago. There are Mormons, and JW's, and a couple other groups. There are many small groups that say they preach, such as through this forum for example. Yet, as for them, your point about conflicting doctrines stands. A thousand tiny groups that are preaching very different things are not united, and by definition, cannot all be speaking the truth.
So, my question then must become: what makes your group different from any other group claiming the same things?
And, I immediately notice that you like to use the KJV. You have quoted it often. The KJV has the name “Jehovah” in it about 4 times. In the other 7000 instances where that name originally was, they have replaced it with “LORD” or “GOD” in capital letters, which you can notice in some of your posts.
Now, I agree with you on the importance of preaching. So, my question becomes:
AS MESSENGERS OF GOD, you would not want to alter the message of the bible as it originally appeared, with Gods name, being an integral part of the Bible message. The sanctification if his name is something you pray for. (Mat 6:9). Yet, I'm not completely certain you actually know that God has a personal name, that his enemies have tried to hide.
(Ps 83:18; KjV)I am just trying to determine what you and your religion are all about.
I understand hat you like preaching, as certain other groups also do.David.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,21:05) Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,13:02) Quote Dear Terraricca, You are out of the main topic.
Our issue is “the true preachers sent by God”.
I will now focus on this topic.
David,Thanks a lot by focusing with main topic.
God bless you.
Sorry, went off topic in that last post. But I think I explained why. I am really jot even sure what we are supposed to be discussing in this thread: the fact that preaching is good? Or that the messengers of god should preach? I think we all know that. Has anyone disagreed with this?Quote These churches nowadays could not be deemed as one body or organization. Because the true church of Christ is under by one administration and having a uniform or unity in the doctrines. Do not tell me the the head of the Roman Catholic church has the power to rule the Seventh Day Adventist church and the Baptist church and the other churches not affiliated with Catholic church. do you?
Hi lim,
I am perhaps one of the only people on here who in the past made the exact same arguments you are making. “A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.” And so, I completely understand and have argued the same point myself. Most people in here think differently, that there are true Christians in various opposing religions, or there are individuals who don't belong to any organization. (Yet, we know they don't agree with each other either; even the 3 moderators on here disagree over most everything; so, individuals don't represent truth either). It seems to make sense that there would be one group, that is unitedly preaching, to all the nations, before the end comes. (Mat 24:14). We are one the same page on that one.
DAVID
Quote It seems to make sense that there would be one group, that is unitedly preaching, to all the nations, before the end comes. (Mat 24:14). We are one the same page on that one. I can understand that point ,but if we think about it ,it does not make sense either,look what scriptures says ;
Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?in this scripture you can see that the leaders of God people does not understand and so can not accept the teachings ;
yet it is out of that nation that Christ the son of God has taken the most important part for his kingdom, the 12 apostles,
he pick them out ,as individuals not as a group,
this group was united like no man could be (Paul being the twelveth)truth out of their mouth was holy ,but not so with many others ,
and separation occured early in the congregations ,and unholy behavior was more common in some than others,
Rev 22:9 But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”
look what the angel of the Lord says to John HE HIS A SERVANT WITH HIM AND HIS BROTHERS ;;A'AND ALL WHO KEEP THE WORDS OF THIS BOOK ;;
I do not see a group in there DO YOU
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS WE ALL WAITING FOR; BUT SEE WHAT HE SAYS WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT HIS RETURN ;;HE WILL GIVE EVERYONE ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE ;
NOT ACCORDING TO WHAT WE FEEL OR THINK IS GOOD ,HE WILL PICK AND JUDGE IT ;SO AGAIN NO GROUP BUT INDIVIDUALS,
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
AGAIN HERE NO GROUP BUT INDIVIDUALS ,
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
HERE ONCE MORE NO GROUP ALL INDIVIDUALS DOING THINGS THEY SHOULD HAVE NOT DONE ,
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
THIS OFFER IS NOT GIVEN TO A GROUP BUT TO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE DONE WHAT HIS RIGHT
NOW UNDERSTAND THAT A WELL GARDED PRISON WILL ALSO BE IN UNISON LIKE ONE MAN ,OR ELSE
MANY GROUPS IN THIS WORLD ARE UNITED BUT SMALLER GROUPS ARE BETTER THAN BIG ONES ;IF THE GROUPS ARE RELIGIONS OR ANY OTHER THIS IS THE WAY OF MEN.
BUT WHEN YOU DEALLING WITH GODS ARRAGEMENT THE FOUNDATION HAS TO BE HIS SON JESUS CHRIST AND THE WRITTEN WORD,
SO ANY GROUP THAT CLAIM TO BE OF GOD SHOULD HAVE A FOUNDATION ON THE ROCK JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING ,AND THE PURPOSE WOULD NOT TO LAY THEIR OWN WORKS OUT AS THEY SEE IT IN SOME WAY IN THE SCRIPTURES BUT DO IT FOR THE SAKE OF THE WEAKES POINT ,YOU MAY ASK WHAT IS THE WEAKES POINT (NOT NOW)MT 13:4 and as he sowed, some seeds fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate them up.
MT 13:32 and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES.”MK 4:8 “Other seeds fell into the good soil, and as they grew up and increased, they yielded a crop and produced thirty, sixty, and a hundredfold.”
MK 4:31 “It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the soil, though it is smaller than all the seeds that are upon the soil,ALL THOSE SCRIPTURES THAT JESUS TEACH ARE ADDRESSED TO INDIVIDUALS ;SO NO GROUP ORGANIZATION OF ANY KIND THERE.
SO THE TRUE REASONS FOR FORMING A GROUP BIGGER AND BIGGER MUST HAVE SOME OTHER AGENDA ,AND NOT GOD OR CHRIST .
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