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Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:50) Quote Therefore, we should observe the rules of the topic. If the topic is “what is the personal name of the Almighty God, then we must observe the boundary line on it. The rail road of the topic or the related issue is “The messengers of God”,.. relatively issue is “how we could determine the true messengers of God and who are not?
So, would you say that using Gods name is not important in determining the true messengers of God?
I was discussing it because, for me, it seems at least a little important in determining any messenger of God.
Hi DavidAgreed!
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,17:03) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,16:59) Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:47) Quote The Bible did not consider the different religious organization with their own different signatures versions fighting and opposing against one another are all true groups for God. The Bible was telling us in advance thousand years ago, that there shall be false churches or group of religious people. False versions were many but the true church that bears the truth of God, is only one I've read this a few times. Actually confused on it. Are you saying that the different groups fighting and opposing one another are all true groups for God? Or, not true groups for God?
Ed, I really can't be sure what he is saying here. What are your thoughts as to what he meant?
Hi David,He obviously meant the latter, but I think
the first way you presented it is the real truth.“But now are they many members, yet but one body.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee:
nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.” (1Cor.12:20-21)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgHi David, (Mark 10:44)
“whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.”
'Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians' – unknownGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 23 2012,02:25) I would like to see more salt in your comments to me (salt = truth )
Terraricca,Here is the salt you are waiting for.
“THE MESSENGER OF GOD” Part -1
The very fundamental and essential spiritual knowledge from the Sacred Scriptures that we must be obtained and should be used by the concern individual human being interested in seeking the truth as the barometer to test the so called preachers of the words of God, to determine if they were truly comes from God.
Firstly, we should presume for a moment that we are living in the times of the Patriarch and Prophets before the year of the Lord Christ Jesus ((B.C.)
We are not going to board with a “Time- machine physically” to reach the said time and places. Just using our minds and through imaginary visions we can do it by ourselves. We could be the observer as spirits to the actual events on their times and places.
Let us go now and see through our own minds and visionary, the facts and events of the Patriarchs and the Prophets acts in regards with the will of God.
Patriarch times started from Adam and Eve until with the time of Moises, then the time of the Prophets begins from Moises to Christ Jesus, and Christianity till the end of the world.
The three great chapter of the earth: “Time of the Patriarch, Prophets and Christianity.”We start as observer to the Adam and Eve’s time down to Patriarch Noah. We have learned that the humankind created by God, did not pleased Him. The majority of the people were doing wickedness in the eyes of God. Then He decided with finality to finished them all with the exception to those people living upright before God. The direct selection of the Creator with his creations begins through communication to the people concern.
13And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. (Gen. 6:13 nkjv)
Why the Creator, chose Noah, from among the vast people of the earth, what is the basis of God, in choosing Noah to be spared? Here is the answer from the records of the Sacred Scriptures.
8”But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth”.
12So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. 13And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch. 15And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. (Gen. 6:8, 12-15 nkjv)19And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. (Gen. 6:19 nkjv)
5And Noah did according to all that the LORD commanded him. (Gen. 7:5 nkjv)
to be continue…
Terraricca and to all interested people,
[/B]“The Messengers of God” continuation of part-2
Now, the essence of our observation through visionary in our minds on the Patriarch time is, we have learned that the Creator do the communication directly to the person concern and giving the instructions or commandments what to do for the salvation of them.
Let us go to the time of the Prophet Abraham and Moises. How our Creator, communicate with the concern people?
1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, Jehovah appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be the father of a multitude of nations. 5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for the father of a multitude of nations have I made thee. 6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee and to thy seed after thee. 8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land of thy sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. (Gen. 17:1-8 asv)
There is no doubt, the Creator, did the direct communications to the concern person and gave His Sacred covenants accompany by promises.
1Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.” 4So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. 7And the LORD said: “I have surely seen the oppression of My people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cry because of their taskmasters, for I know their sorrows. 8So I have come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up from that land to a good and large land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites. (Exo. 3:1-8 nkjv)
God, remembered His promises to Abraham; He called Moises and sent to Egypt to free the people of Israel from the slavery and let the people of God, and be served Him.
3So Moses and Aaron came in to Pharaoh and said to him, “Thus says the LORD God of the Hebrews: 'How long will you refuse to humble yourself before Me? Let My people go, that they may serve Me.
Then Pharaoh's servants said to him, “How long shall this man be a snare to us? Let the men go, that they may serve the LORD their God. Do you not yet know that Egypt is destroyed?” 8So Moses and Aaron were brought again to Pharaoh, and he said to them, “Go, serve the LORD your God. Who are the ones that are going?” (Exo. 10:3,7-8 nkjv.)From the time of Moises and Aaron, God, communicates His people through His appointed Prophets; the Creator, gave His commandments to the Prophets, to speak to the people in behalf of God; covenants, commandments; prophesies have been jot down by the Prophets; except the “ten commandments”, God made the ten commandments by His hands into two pieces of the stones.
Let us go and observe the prophesied written by the Prophets of God, how the Prophets got the words of God, and what is the instructions of our Creator regarding with His foretold messages?
6Then He said, “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream. (Number 6:12 nkjv)
20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?' 22when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deut. 18:20-21 nkjv)
We have heard as the observers, that the genuine foretold words of God, through His prophet, shall come into pass, if it doesn’t happened, meaning the prophet “spoken in a manner of overstepping due bounds; with his own sayings alone” In other words: even though he is the genuine prophet, but spoken over (adding) the words by God.
to be continue…
Terraricca and to all interested people,
continuation of “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … part-2..
We have heard as the observers, that the genuine foretold words of God, through His prophet, shall come into pass, if it does not happened, meaning the prophet “spoken in a manner of overstepping due bounds; with his own sayings alone” In other words: even though he is the genuine prophet, but spoken over (adding) the words by God.
2The king went up to the house of the LORD with all the men of Judah, and with him all the inhabitants of Jerusalemùthe priests and the prophets and all the people, both small and great. And he read in their hearing all the words of the Book of the Covenant which had been found in the house of the LORD. (2-King 23:2 nkjv.)
Proven to us that there is the written book and had been reading inside the house of the Lord.
Here is the other information of how and why the Creator turn His servant to be His enemy?
15Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.” 16Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the LORD has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17And the LORD has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD nor execute His fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day. (1 Samuel 28:15-18 nkjv)
13Yet the LORD testified against Israel and against Judah, by all of His prophets, every seer, saying, “Turn from your evil ways, and keep My commandments and My statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by My servants the prophets.”
2And the LORD sent against him raiding bands of Chaldeans, bands of Syrians, bands of Moabites, and bands of the people of Ammon; He sent them against Judah to destroy it, according to the word of the LORD which He had spoken by His servants the prophets. (2-King 17:23, 24:2 nkjv)
For not obeying the commandments of God, we would be His enemies.
to be continue…
Terraricca and to all interested people,
Continuation of “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … [/U]Part-2.
Here is another proof that the Lord God is pond of writing His will, including the song to be sung by His people.
1And the LORD said to Moses, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke. (Exo. 34:1 nkjv)
14Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write this for a memorial in the book and recount it in the hearing of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.”(Exo. 17:14 nkjv)3You shall write on them all the words of this law, when you have crossed over, that you may enter the land which the LORD your God is giving you, 'a land flowing with milk and honey,' just as the LORD God of your fathers promised you. (Deut. 27:3 nkjv)
19″Now therefore, write down this song for yourselves, and teach it to the children of Israel; put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for Me against the children of Israel.( Deut. 31:19 nkjv)
27Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” (Exo. 37:27 nkjv)
We have learned from being the observers in the place and time of the Patriarch and Prophets, through our visionary minds, utilizing it as our modern time machine, that our Creator, the Almighty God, is communicating directly to the selected concern persons, through His prophets and the written books of the covenants.
Let us go after the written prophesies..
15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moises) from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' 17″And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 18I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.(Deut. 18:15-18 nkjv)
15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moises) from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16. according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' 17″And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 18. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19.And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.(Deut. 18:15-18 nkjv)
Assuming that were still in the times and place of the Prophets by our imaginations and through our visionary minds and the Christian time is not yet really arrive. Surely, we could not name exactly or we could not able to know who is the Prophet likened to Moises to be?I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments?
to be continue….”
Terraricca and to all interested people,
Continuation of “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … Part-2.
Let us go after the written prophesies.
15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moises) from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16. according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' 17″And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 18. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19.And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.(Deut. 18:15-18 nkjv).
Let us go after the written prophesies.
15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moises) from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' 17″And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 18I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.(Deut. 18:15-18 nkjv)
to be continued….”
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,19:21) Terraricca and to all interested people, Continuation of “THE MESSENGERS OF GOD” … Part-2.
Let us go after the written prophesies.
15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moises) from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16. according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' 17″And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 18. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19.And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.(Deut. 18:15-18 nkjv).
Let us go after the written prophesies.
15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me (Moises) from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' 17″And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 18I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.(Deut. 18:15-18 nkjv)
to be continued….”
Assuming that were still in the times and place of the Prophets by our imaginations and through our visionary minds and the Christian time is not yet really arrive. Surely, we could not name exactly or we could not able to know who is the Prophet likened to Moises to be?I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments?
to be continued…”
Waiting for your commentaries.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,17:04) david,Oct. wrote:Quote Therefore, we should observe the rules of the topic. If the topic is “what is the personal name of the Almighty God, then we must observe the boundary line on it. So, would you say that using Gods name is not important in determining the true messengers of God?
I was discussing it because, for me, it seems at least a little important in determining any messenger of God.
Hi DavidAgreed!
David and Ed J,Quote: “So, would you say that using Gods name is not important in determining the true messengers of God?”
The statement categorically is a question.
I did not said it and I did not meant it. What I am trying to share is, “we are not discussing the name of the lord God”.
We should focus our minds with the issue, “The Messengers of God” and how to determine which one among the so called preachers of the gospel of Christ is the true preacher sent (messenger) by God.?
To all,
Be patient. I will answer all the inquiries has been addressed to me one by one. I am just finishing the part of my post regarding the very essential knowledge to know the true preachers sent by God. It is not easy and time consuming.
Thank you.
Peace be with you.
Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:42) Question 2. I have never heard of “the church of God,” as a group, who are today, preaching to people. I don't think anyone on here has. If these are the messengers of God, how is the average person going to hear their message? (Most people don't hang out on message boards like this one).
David,Actually, you have 4 questions by classification:
1. I have never heard of “the church of God,” as a group, who are today, preaching to people?
2. I don't think anyone on here has?
3. If these are the messengers of God, how is the average person going to hear their message?
4. (Most people don't hang out on message boards like this one)?
a.) There is a group called “Church of God” existing today.
b.) Yes, there is group of Christ true believers has the messenger of God. Go to this link: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y371491
c.) The messenger of God, must work hard to reach the number of people as many as he can.
d.) There are many means how to reach the people to hear the gospel of Christ, not only through internet.
.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:20) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,00:53) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:59) Hi limjunus, I believe David's post was to you.
You do know the COC's stance, on
no mechanical instruments, do you not?God bless
Ed J
Ed J,What is the COC stand for?
Hi limjunus,As JW stands for the “Jehovah Witnesses” organization
COC stands for the “Church of Christ” denomination.You do know the COC's stance, on
no mechanical instruments of music?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,My dear brother,
Could you please elaborate to me what is the COC claims?
Peace.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,19:17) I am right or wrong? Do you have any comments? to be continue….”
Hi limjunus,When's the movie coming out?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,19:35) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,17:04) david,Oct. wrote:Quote Therefore, we should observe the rules of the topic. If the topic is “what is the personal name of the Almighty God, then we must observe the boundary line on it. So, would you say that using Gods name is not important in determining the true messengers of God?
I was discussing it because, for me, it seems at least a little important in determining any messenger of God.
Hi DavidAgreed!
David and Ed J,Quote: “So, would you say that using Gods name is not important in determining the true messengers of God?”
The statement categorically is a question.
I did not said it and I did not meant it. What I am trying to share is, “we are not discussing the name of the lord God”.
We should focus our minds with the issue, “The Messengers of God” and how to determine which one among the so called preachers of the gospel of Christ is the true preacher sent (messenger) by God.?
Hi limjunus, (will you please answer my questions?) wouldn't the determining factor be: is one given “Bible Truth”?“I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.” (Psalms 22:22)
Has the COC made God's name (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) known to you – Yes or No? <– please answerWitnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,19:35) David and Ed J,
Hey David,He's got us linked together now, better not tell 'The Watchtower Society' this.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,17:22) Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,17:03) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,16:59) Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:47) Quote The Bible did not consider the different religious organization with their own different signatures versions fighting and opposing against one another are all true groups for God. The Bible was telling us in advance thousand years ago, that there shall be false churches or group of religious people. False versions were many but the true church that bears the truth of God, is only one I've read this a few times. Actually confused on it. Are you saying that the different groups fighting and opposing one another are all true groups for God? Or, not true groups for God?
Ed, I really can't be sure what he is saying here. What are your thoughts as to what he meant?
Hi David,He obviously meant the latter, but I think
the first way you presented it is the real truth.“But now are they many members, yet but one body.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee:
nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.” (1Cor.12:20-21)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
David and Ed J,Do not be confused. Just post your inquiries and address it to me. Then, the chance and way of clarification could not be wasted.
As we have aware. There are a lots of churches nowadays. Each of one is claiming that there are the true church of Christ.
These churches (United church of Christ, Church of Jesus Christ in the latter days Saint, Roman Catholic Church, Church of God, Baptist church, Seventh Day Adventist church, Four Square Church of Christ, Orthodox church, Church of Christ and etc., etc.,) scattered around the earth and having their own “church doctrines”, not in uniform or not the same and some of their doctrines are opposing to one another.
The true church of Christ, is only one and headed by only one head, Christ. 1 Cor. 12:27 / Col. 1:18 NKJV)
Some of the doctrines of these churches are opposing each one unto another. Example: There a church sponsoring the belief of “Trinity doctrines” (One God, compose of three divine persons) and the other is sponsoring the “semi-Unitarian doctrine” (One God composed of only two divine persons.) the other church is sponsoring the “Oneness” (Only one God, no more), some believing that Jesus is truly God and the other one, Jesus is not truly God.
How we could tell that these all churches are one body of Christ and are of God?
Two of the characteristics of the true church of God, is the church must having in unity with their doctrines (spirit) and member in particular in one body alone.(one organization under one administration).
Peace.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 23 2012,20:10) Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:42) Question 2. I have never heard of “the church of God,” as a group, who are today, preaching to people. I don't think anyone on here has. If these are the messengers of God, how is the average person going to hear their message? (Most people don't hang out on message boards like this one).
David,2. I don't think anyone on here has?
b.) Yes, there is group of Christ true believers has the messenger of God. Go to this link: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y371491
Hi, I have.I have a question for you, limjunus:
perhaps this will help us determine what you ask.The Scriptures say that there are “TWO” immutable things about YHVH.
“That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for
God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled
for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:” (Heb 6:18)1. He cannot Lie.
2. ? (please tell us what the other is)
…this will help us determine if 'Your Group' fits with other true messengers; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:47) Quote The Bible did not consider the different religious organization with their own different signatures versions fighting and opposing against one another are all true groups for God. The Bible was telling us in advance thousand years ago, that there shall be false churches or group of religious people. False versions were many but the true church that bears the truth of God, is only one I've read this a few times. Actually confused on it. Are you saying that the different groups fighting and opposing one another are all true groups for God? Or, not true groups for God?
My dear David,To make easy for you. I will make it short-cut.
All the churches scattered all over the earth nowadays could not be deemed the true church of Christ. There is only one true religious group.
The single group of people, called the true chosen people of God or the true church of Christ must be having a preachers sent by God.
If you want to know it? go to this link: “https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=31;t=4394;st=270#entry371523
Peace.
Quote (david @ Oct. 23 2012,12:59) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,18:47) Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:18) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,18:04) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,07:29) “Jesus Christ and his apostles have warned us long time ago. “There shall be false preachers and false Christ coming up in this world, deceiving people as many as they can. One of their mission is keeping the people of the world for not knowing the one and only true God. (2-Cor. 10:4-5 NLT)” Do you think hiding the fact that the God of the bible has a name, will help people to become closer to God, or do you think it will keep the people of the world from knowing God?
David,For not knowing the one and only true God, Hiding the essential name of God, with relation to the salvation of our souls is one among so many ways in keeping the people from not knowing Him.
The issue here in this topic is the “messengers of God”. The importance of the true preachers sent by God.
We must know first how to determine the false preachers and the true preachers.
Obviously, the false preachers were hiding the truth about God, including the very essential name of God, with the very important connection to the salvation of our souls. …. and obviously also, that the true preachers sent by God, shall not hiding the truth and the essential name of God.
Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.
Yes, we should stick to the issue. Your first post said:Quote Romans 10:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The step by step procedure before we can be saved.
The very essential procedures in making us the true believers of Christ.
I am discussing the first step in this step by step process. Of course, a name represents the one who it belongs to, and often means that. But still, as you said, something false teachers do, is hide gods name. I very much doubt that when the bible writer quoted this scripture from the Hebrew, they removed gods name. This was done later.
Dera David,You have missed the point again. I will do my best to make it easy for you to understand.
The reliable information given to us by the Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 is not just about the name of the Lord.
Step (1 & 2):
The Holy Scriptures is telling us loudly and clear that we could not just call the name of the Lord, and shall be saved without believing on Him first.
Step (3)Before the people can believe on Him, they must be heard the the words of God.
Step (4): How the can be heard the words of God, without the preachers;
Step (5): And how the preachers can preach if they have not sent by God;
Step (6) Because believing comes from hearing the words of Christ.
The reliable information given to us by the chapter 10, and verses 13-15, 17 of the book of Romans is not “what is the name of the Lord…. it were meant for the right ways how to obtain the rightful beliefs in accordance with the will of God.
Peace.
Quote the reliable information given to us by the chapter 10, and verses 13-15, 17 of the book of Romans is not “what is the name of the Lord…. it were meant for the right ways how to obtain the rightful beliefs in accordance with the will of God. Agreed. And yet, that first sentence says: everyone who calls on the name of The Lord shall be saved.
The KJV, as you know, includes the name “Jehovah” about 4 times. It has removed Gods name and replaced it with “lord” or “God” thousands of times.
1. Would a true messenger of God remove Gods name from his book? If we look at the Hebrew, we see that where Romans was quoted from, had Gods name.
In the heb scripture, it would say: he who calls on the name of Jehovah would be saved. (Assuming you used the KJV and assuming they didn't remove his name from that spot, which they did)I know you are trying to lead us down a certain path, and take us on a journey, but as a messenger of God, I do not feel you should hide Gods name. It was originally in the bible 7000 times. I think he out it in there for a reason.
I will end this discussion now, about the first part of the verse that you mentioned.
My dear David,I as what I have post. We are not yet discussing what is the true name of the Lord God.
and FYI, I have the knowledge regarding the name “Jehovah”. and my references is coming from the JW's book. The original “letters” has no vowels and you could not it as Jehovah.
But I do not want to tackle it here in this thread. I do not want us to be out of line.
Peace.
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