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Dear David,
Firstly, by hearing the words of Christ, from the genuine preachers of God,you will be having the rightful beliefs and knowledge of the truth, including the real and glorious and wonderful name of the Lord.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,13:54) Ed j, Yes, except the other false churches using the same name.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,18:28) Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:25) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,03:38) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed j,read back with my post no. 527. The answer is within.
The posts are not numbered. That number represented how many times you had posted at that moment.It would be quicker if you just answered him. He will literally ask the question 100 times, so that this thread becomes taken over.
Dear David,The question has been answered and I am hoping Ed j. is very much happy about it.
Peace.
Hi limjunus,I sincerely do appreciate you answering my questions!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,15:42) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,10:11) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,10:14) limj Quote How did you received the messages from the apostles, by just only reading the holy scriptures or someone had preached it to you? Is your preacher passed the test given by the holy scriptures that he must sent by God, with the “testimony of the prophecy? Studying the Bible in 50 or more years and believing that the Bible is the words of God, by and through reading is not the right way and not in accordance with the will of God.
Believing rightfully (faith) is comes from hearing the words of God and not by reading alone.
I hearing the word as well I HAVE THE AUDIO VERSION OF THE niv AND THE kjv
HOW WOULD YOU THINK IN THE APOSTLES TIME THEY COULD HAVE HEARD THE MESSAGE
no TV,no RADIO,NO news magazzine ,no printings, wake up the only way was to voice communication .
NOW WHY DO WE HAVE TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES
i HAVE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE ,YOU HAVE NO CLUE AND YOUR SO CALLED PREACHERS DO NOT EXIST YOU MADE THIS THEORY UP AS YOU GO .
Terraricca,Hearing the NKJV and NIV from audio made by whom? The Holy Scriptures is shouting us very loud that we must heard the words of Christ trough and from the preacher sent by God.
No matters what and how the means you have got the truth as long the main sources of it is through and from the genuine preacher sent by God, because the words of the true preachers sent by God, was originated from God Himself through the instrumentality of the holy spirit.
The very works of God, is to believe to the preacher He hath sent, because they spoke the words given to them by God.
Here is the truth about it:
For He whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God, for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto Him.
Jesus answered and said unto them, “This is the work of God: that ye believe in Him whom He hath sent.” Ref: John 3:34 / 6:29 NKJV.
To let the words of the Lord dwell with us, we must believe to his sent preacher.
Here is the truth about it. John 5:38 NIV.
nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.
LimeRead what you have written and understand it in its entireties ,and you can see that it does not make sense ,
It sound like : do,but not ,but this way,but that his up ,could not,should be,you want,you need ,ect,,,,,,,,
My dearest Terraricca,I felt sorry for you.
Even the truth of God, you had deemed it as nonsense for you.
How come this verse is non-sense for you.? “nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. John 5:38 NKJV.
You have forgotten also that's not me but the Bible are many don'ts and wan'ts.
Dear Terraricca, do not be so having too much pride. Surrender your will to the will of God.
Too much “ego” could not produce the truth.
I know and I am one of the witness. Basing your posts, You had so much sacrifices toward with your beliefs but, sorry to say it is not in according to the righteousness of God. You are forcing the situation to be in your side by building your own reasoning. As what the Holy Scriptures said in the Book of Romans 10:3 NIV.
Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
Can you oppose or can you refute that truth?
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,18:47) Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:18) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,18:04) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,07:29) “Jesus Christ and his apostles have warned us long time ago. “There shall be false preachers and false Christ coming up in this world, deceiving people as many as they can. One of their mission is keeping the people of the world for not knowing the one and only true God. (2-Cor. 10:4-5 NLT)” Do you think hiding the fact that the God of the bible has a name, will help people to become closer to God, or do you think it will keep the people of the world from knowing God?
David,For not knowing the one and only true God, Hiding the essential name of God, with relation to the salvation of our souls is one among so many ways in keeping the people from not knowing Him.
The issue here in this topic is the “messengers of God”. The importance of the true preachers sent by God.
We must know first how to determine the false preachers and the true preachers.
Obviously, the false preachers were hiding the truth about God, including the very essential name of God, with the very important connection to the salvation of our souls. …. and obviously also, that the true preachers sent by God, shall not hiding the truth and the essential name of God.
Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.
Yes, we should stick to the issue. Your first post said:Quote Romans 10:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The step by step procedure before we can be saved.
The very essential procedures in making us the true believers of Christ.
I am discussing the first step in this step by step process. Of course, a name represents the one who it belongs to, and often means that. But still, as you said, something false teachers do, is hide gods name. I very much doubt that when the bible writer quoted this scripture from the Hebrew, they removed gods name. This was done later.
Dera David,You have missed the point again. I will do my best to make it easy for you to understand.
The reliable information given to us by the Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 is not just about the name of the Lord.
Step (1 & 2):
The Holy Scriptures is telling us loudly and clear that we could not just call the name of the Lord, and shall be saved without believing on Him first.
Step (3)Before the people can believe on Him, they must be heard the the words of God.
Step (4): How the can be heard the words of God, without the preachers;
Step (5): And how the preachers can preach if they have not sent by God;
Step (6) Because believing comes from hearing the words of Christ.
The reliable information given to us by the chapter 10, and verses 13-15, 17 of the book of Romans is not “what is the name of the Lord…. it were meant for the right ways how to obtain the rightful beliefs in accordance with the will of God.
Peace.
Hi limjunus.“as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.” (John 20:21)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,17:59) Hi limjunus “And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you,
and have taught you publickly, and from house to house” (Acts 20:20)What about going “House to House”? The Organization to which David belongs (the JW's)
go house to house – does the Organization (C.O.C.) you are affiliated with do this?Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
limjunus?Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,16:08) Limj I have preached to all to never read the scriptures without having a pure heart,
When you read ,do not ad or subtract anything from scriptures ,humble yourself in your mind and heart,
Submit yourself to God,and practice what you learn and understand for. Sure,
Dear Terraricca,You are out of the main topic.
Our issue is “the true preachers sent by God”.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,16:15) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,02:08) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
limjunus?
Ed j,Yes, except the other false churches using the same name.
Hi limjunus,Is there more than one group? Romans 16:16 suggests there is. …what say you?
“The churches of Christ salute you.” (Romans 16:16)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed j,My dear brother in Christ.
The words churches of Christ with the Book of Romans 16:16 doesn't mean many churches as of today with their own different doctrines; but not in unity instead opposing each other.
The body of Christ is only one, the same with the head of the church is only one and it is unity with one spirit (doctrines).
The words “churches of Christ, is representing the whole church with many members under the divisions (extension) as different localities in many places, such towns, nations (gentiles) extended to Asia, but under the rules, administrative functions and the governance of the apostles in Jerusalem.
Here is the very strong testimony of the Holy Scriptures, Book of Romans 12:4-5 NIV.
For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.
We have many parts in one body, but the parts don’t all have the same function. 5 In the same way, though there are many of us, we are one body in Christ, and individually we belong to each other. CEB.
I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,16:25) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,14:02) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,04:07)
Why is answering questions so difficult?
Ed j,It isn't difficult for me to answer, I am dealing with another people also and to respond with their inquiries is consuming a lot of my time. and … beside of it, I am very careful with the context of my answers.
I hope you could understand my side and you shall not be landed with unwise prescription about me.
God bless.
Hi limjunus,Do you have 'a side', if so what is 'YOUR SIDE'? <– please answer
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed j,May be you have missed my point. I am talking about the reasons why I am late in addressing your question.
I am addressing not only you, my dear brother in Christ. I am dealing with Journey42, Wakeup, Terraricca, Devolution, David and I am also engaging with the other thread in other pages.
That's the real mean of the words “I hope you could understand my side”.
I am quiet busy body my dear bro. and should not think that I am having a difficulty in answering or addressing your question. Be broad and positive minded.
Other concept: “I am siding with the truth of God…. the name of the true church must be called,..Church of Christ….because the church is the body belong and headed by Christ…he had bought her by his life,… church is the bride or wife of Christ. In modern term: “Mrs. Christ”. … and most of all the Savior of the church is Christ. Ref: Ephessians 5:23-30
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,16:26) Hi limjunus, I understand that most are reluctant to answer
the hard questions for fear of a follow-up attack.
I hope you do not feel this way, because I don't!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Ed j,Dear brother in Christ.
I am doing my very best not to mentioned the name and which church I am belong to. Because, base with my experiences in sitting with so many truth discussion. If I had mentioned the name of the church which I had belong to, they started attacking me out the Bible context and the discussion landed in a personal quarreling with hitting below the belt and the good situation turn into a worse scenario, spoiling the chance of sharing the truth of God, written in the Bible.
I am doing my very best to encourage them to discuss the truth from the Bible and not the personal matters between us.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,16:15) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,02:08) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J
limjunus?
Ed j,Yes, except the other false churches using the same name.
Hi limjunus,Is there more than one group? Romans 16:16 suggests there is. …what say you?
“The churches of Christ salute you.” (Romans 16:16)
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,“And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,17:39) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,11:49) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,14:03) you are a MIND SWEEPER do you understand what i mean by that
My dearest Terraricca,Again, the same answer from me. I am not the mind sweeper.
Which words of Christ, I have post that make me a “mind sweeper'? Can you re-post it.
Please, try to avoid posting harsh words and try to have a self control by not accusing somebody of wrong doing. It is not producing positives thoughts between you and me.
We are not here for quarreling. We are here to share what we had?
Peace.
LimjIf you want to know what I have learn in the years of study ,I have shown it in my quotes
All what you have said to me so far I have written about it,and as for the name calling of Mind sweeper,I have told you that because the way you presented your true preachers of God. And never answer the question of who are they,you have the art of sweeping the mind of people and drag them away into your corner ,and so never answer to what I really want you to answer,
Your way to present reflect the way I believe you are,as a personality,
And for this you seem not be totally true, so I do not know we're you are going to go next,
You say that you are wiling to share what you have learned from being thought by your preachers so let me see what you have gain and what I have mised ,because not being guided by you preachers ok???
My dearest Terraricca,Nice post. Clear and direct to the point. Thanks a lot for the clarifications yuo had made of.
Now, I fully understand for what are you trying to say…”the meaning of your own made words of “mind sweeper”.
and I am very happy by knowing that you are jotting down the truth matters I had sharing with you.
In my next post, I will address your questions regarding who are those people really sent by God, and must be known the genuine preachers of the words of Christ.
It is not a short letter. It could be made in three sections and fully supported by the Holy Scriptures.
By the way if you do not mind,… which continent of the earth you are staying or living of?
Peace.
I am also a Sennior Citizen with my age.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,17:59) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,17:23) Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:06) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,17:39) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,02:33) Quote Find the true preachers sent by God, nowadays with his divine credential, the pattern to determine which is the true preachers, specially made by God. –limjunis
If they are true preachers sent by God, why would I have to find them? Won't they find me? (Mat 28:18,20; mat 24:14)
David,Because there were so many false preachers roaming around the world, even within your place.
Therefore you should find the true preachers sent by God, among so many called preachers nowadays, so that the gospel you would be going to hear is the right words of God.
Hi.So, to be clear, you are saying that a person should find the true preachers, rather than the true preachers sent by God finding the people?
I was strongly under the impression that the true preachers sent by God (“go, therefore, and make disciples…”, mt 28:19,20) would be the ones finding the people, through their preaching work. (Mat 24:14)
It bothers me that you say the person should find them.
And, how are the people in lands without Internet access supposed to find them?
Dear David,You have missed my point. In fact I did not say the words with an end as the period;dead end.
Beside the Holy Scriptures, I am relying also to the facts, the current and real events around us. Obviously, there were so many preachers roaming around the world. Approaching any places as they can by preaching the so called “gospel of Christ”.
I did not meant my saying that the individual person should or must go out from his home to find the true preachers sent by God. In fact they were also roaming around the world and performing the works has been commissioned by God, for them.
What I really mean is, “find the true preachers sent by God, in the middle of the so called and professing preachers of the gospel of Christ. By testing the spirit (doctrines) if it is the spirit from God or not, through and base with the truth taken in accordance with the Holy Scriptures (Bible).
The true preachers sent by God, will works diligently by any means (face to face, by radio, Media, Reading materials with their own authenticated authorization for legal base matters in publications, by any modern facilities to reach the people every corner of the world to preach the gospel of Christ.
The same with the false preachers, they will do their very best to reach the people in every corner of the earth, by any means to convince the people as many as they can that their own version and interpretation of the gospel of Christ written in the Bible is the just and the rightful one.
Therefore, from the midst of the so called preachers of the gospel of Christ, we could check and test them which one among of them is the “true preachers sent by God to preach the gospel of Christ.
Is that clear or not?
Peace.
Hi limjunus“And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you,
and have taught you publickly, and from house to house” (Acts 20:20)What about going “House to House”? The Organization to which David belongs (the JW's)
go house to house – does the Organization (C.O.C.) you are affiliated with do this?Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Ed j,My dear brother in Christ.
My answer is yes. Our church's missionary works is also conducting the “house to house” or face to face in propagating the words of Christ, 24/7 throughout the world.
I am not one of the so called JW's.
Peace.
Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,17:34) I'm trying to figure out what you actually believe. (You would answer “the bible,” but so would most) Is a person saved the moment they are baptized? I've seen contradictory statements about what you believe about this.
Also, a Capella singing. If its true, why specifically do some feel that instruments shouldn't be used in worship?
Dear David,To whom did you addressed your post?
To Ed J, Terraricca or to me?
Hi limjunus,
I believe David's post was to you.
You do know the COC's stance, on
no mechanical instruments, do you not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,16:15) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,02:08) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J
limjunus?
Ed j,Yes, except the other false churches using the same name.
Hi limjunus,Is there more than one group? Romans 16:16 suggests there is. …what say you?
“The churches of Christ salute you.” (Romans 16:16)
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,“And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. Galatians 1:22
Common English Bible (CEB)
22 but I wasn’t known personally by the Christian churches in Judea..” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,My dear brother in Christ.
It was a direct instruction by Christ Jesus, that the other person doing miracles in his name, should not be forbidden; and those person could not speak any evil of him;,… but the last sentence,”For he that is not against us is on our part.”
Meant for Those people not against us must be part of us or must be join with us in one accord for being a group.
Therefore, the disciples can instructed the other not belong to the church to stop their acts, but if they do not want to listen, let them continue what they have done. Because there is the proper designed time for them.
[/B]Matthew 13:24-30
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
24 Another parable put He forth before them, saying, “The Kingdom of Heaven is likened unto a man who sowed good seed in his field;
25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blades had sprung up and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, ‘Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath come the tares?’
28 He said unto them, ‘An enemy hath done this.’ The servants said unto him, ‘Wilt thou then have us go and gather them up?’
29 But he said, ‘Nay, lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:59) Hi limjunus, I believe David's post was to you.
You do know the COC's stance, on
no mechanical instruments, do you not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J and David,My dear brothers,
It is out line,.. out of the topic.
Except you all out there are very much satisfied with the main issue and openly admittedly that there were true preachers sent by God, around us, testified and have been proving by the supporting verses form the Bible. Then I will open another tread exclusively for the subject questions.
To all,
I am running out of time and I must buy another time to deal with guys and Sister. I am rseting for a while and will be back again.
Good night and God bless you.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What happened to my post?Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,21:31) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30)
Hi limjunus,“And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me.Galatians 1:22” (Mark 9:38-40)
Common English Bible (CEB)
22 but I wasn’t known personally by the Christian churches in Judea..In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,My dear brother in Christ.
It was a direct instruction by Christ Jesus, that the other person doing miracles in his name, should not be forbidden; and those person could not speak any evil of him;,… but the last sentence,”For he that is not against us is on our part.”
Meant for Those people not against us must be part of us or must be join with us in one accord for being a group.
Therefore, the disciples can instructed the other not belong to the church to stop their acts, but if they do not want to listen, let them continue what they have done. Because there is the proper designed time for them.
[/B]Matthew 13:24-30
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
24 Another parable put He forth before them, saying, “The Kingdom of Heaven is likened unto a man who sowed good seed in his field;
25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blades had sprung up and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, ‘Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath come the tares?’
28 He said unto them, ‘An enemy hath done this.’ The servants said unto him, ‘Wilt thou then have us go and gather them up?’
29 But he said, ‘Nay, lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
The part I crossed off was the part that was added by YOU.
(I think that may be a breach of the rules of this forum?)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,20:30) Hi limjunus, “And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name,
and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,
that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.” (Mark 9:38-40)In light of our discussion (exclusive vs inclusive) will you please comment on the Mark 9:38-40 story.
God bless
Ed J
Hi limjunus,My question, in case it has escaped you, is:
Do you not see the claim of the COC as a match with what John said to Jesus here in this verse? …if not, why not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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