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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,10:14) limj Quote How did you received the messages from the apostles, by just only reading the holy scriptures or someone had preached it to you? Is your preacher passed the test given by the holy scriptures that he must sent by God, with the “testimony of the prophecy? Studying the Bible in 50 or more years and believing that the Bible is the words of God, by and through reading is not the right way and not in accordance with the will of God.
Believing rightfully (faith) is comes from hearing the words of God and not by reading alone.
I hearing the word as well I HAVE THE AUDIO VERSION OF THE niv AND THE kjv
HOW WOULD YOU THINK IN THE APOSTLES TIME THEY COULD HAVE HEARD THE MESSAGE
no TV,no RADIO,NO news magazzine ,no printings, wake up the only way was to voice communication .
NOW WHY DO WE HAVE TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES
i HAVE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE ,YOU HAVE NO CLUE AND YOUR SO CALLED PREACHERS DO NOT EXIST YOU MADE THIS THEORY UP AS YOU GO .
Terraricca,Hearing the NKJV and NIV from audio made by whom? The Holy Scriptures is shouting us very loud that we must heard the words of Christ trough and from the preacher sent by God.
No matters what and how the means you have got the truth as long the main sources of it is through and from the genuine preacher sent by God, because the words of the true preachers sent by God, was originated from God Himself through the instrumentality of the holy spirit.
The very works of God, is to believe to the preacher He hath sent, because they spoke the words given to them by God.
Here is the truth about it:
For He whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God, for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto Him.
Jesus answered and said unto them, “This is the work of God: that ye believe in Him whom He hath sent.” Ref: John 3:34 / 6:29 NKJV.
To let the words of the Lord dwell with us, we must believe to his sent preacher.
Here is the truth about it. John 5:38 NIV.
nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,10:11) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,10:14) limj Quote How did you received the messages from the apostles, by just only reading the holy scriptures or someone had preached it to you? Is your preacher passed the test given by the holy scriptures that he must sent by God, with the “testimony of the prophecy? Studying the Bible in 50 or more years and believing that the Bible is the words of God, by and through reading is not the right way and not in accordance with the will of God.
Believing rightfully (faith) is comes from hearing the words of God and not by reading alone.
I hearing the word as well I HAVE THE AUDIO VERSION OF THE niv AND THE kjv
HOW WOULD YOU THINK IN THE APOSTLES TIME THEY COULD HAVE HEARD THE MESSAGE
no TV,no RADIO,NO news magazzine ,no printings, wake up the only way was to voice communication .
NOW WHY DO WE HAVE TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES
i HAVE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE ,YOU HAVE NO CLUE AND YOUR SO CALLED PREACHERS DO NOT EXIST YOU MADE THIS THEORY UP AS YOU GO .
Terraricca,Hearing the NKJV and NIV from audio made by whom? The Holy Scriptures is shouting us very loud that we must heard the words of Christ trough and from the preacher sent by God.
No matters what and how the means you have got the truth as long the main sources of it is through and from the genuine preacher sent by God, because the words of the true preachers sent by God, was originated from God Himself through the instrumentality of the holy spirit.
The very works of God, is to believe to the preacher He hath sent, because they spoke the words given to them by God.
Here is the truth about it:
For He whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God, for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto Him.
Jesus answered and said unto them, “This is the work of God: that ye believe in Him whom He hath sent.” Ref: John 3:34 / 6:29 NKJV.
To let the words of the Lord dwell with us, we must believe to his sent preacher.
Here is the truth about it. John 5:38 NIV.
nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.
LimeRead what you have written and understand it in its entireties ,and you can see that it does not make sense ,
It sound like : do,but not ,but this way,but that his up ,could not,should be,you want,you need ,ect,,,,,,,,
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,10:14) limj [a] HOW WOULD YOU THINK IN THE APOSTLES TIME THEY COULD HAVE HEARD THE MESSAGE
no TV,no RADIO,NO news magazzine ,no printings, NOW WHY DO WE HAVE TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES
i HAVE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE ,YOU HAVE NO CLUE AND YOUR SO CALLED PREACHERS DO NOT EXIST YOU MADE THIS THEORY UP AS YOU GO .
Terraricca,Comment for [a]
During the times of the Parents and Prophets, God, directly sending His messengers to His people to speak in behalf of Him.
That's why, since the time of the Parents down to our time God, did not rely to any means except with the “unique pattern He had specially made”.
Comment for
Opppssss! I did not made the story. Did you have read the holy scriptures testimony to back-up my posts?
There is no harm in studying the Bible, as long you did not insist by forcing the true meaning of the words of God, with what have you had been understood based with your own exclusive conclusions alone.
Now, you are really in a up-arms with your thoughts against the words of God, written in the Bible by concluding that the genuine preacher sent by God, in our times is “did not exist[/U]
Do you have the supporting verses that the genuine preacher of God, really did not exist in our time? Can you show it here, bring it out.
look, all the important matters in relation with the messages of the Lord, I was placing my supporting verses from the Bible to show it that it were not comes from me alone.
I know, you had knew the safe rules and regulations in sitting with this kind of discussion (sharing). We must base our arguments with the support the Holy Scriptures as our divine testimony to what and any matters concerning with very words of God.
God bless you.
Limj
I have preached to all to never read the scriptures without having a pure heart,
When you read ,do not ad or subtract anything from scriptures ,humble yourself in your mind and heart,
Submit yourself to God,and practice what you learn and understand for. Sure,
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,10:18) LMJ Quote Where you can read that the scriptures are the true preachers today sent by God? they have been for 1900 years at the least and produced more fruits than you and your so called preachers will ever produce,
I ATE SECRETS AND MYSTERIES ,BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE WEAPONS THAT THE DEVIL AND HIS SERVANTS USES TO BLIND THE PEOPLE .
Terraricca,You have said while ago, the true preacher sent by God, did not exist. Now, You are saying the point blank that they not produce much,… is does mean to you the indirect admission that the true preacher sent by God, is in exist? .. and how did you know their fruits is less, if you did believing that they did not exist?
So, you are now creating the complete confusion.
What? did you ate the mysteries? So, your heart has been blinded by eating the devils weapons but you can not able to eat the truth about the mystery of the kingdom of God.
Please, brotherly advice from me. Be humble in dealing the words of God, that I am postings here. Reminding you that you are in an up-arms not against me but to the very words of God.
God bless you.
Peace.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,13:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,02:08) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
limjunus?
Ed j,Yes, except the other false churches using the same name.
Hi limjunus,Is there more than one group? Romans 16:16 suggests there is. …what say you?
“The churches of Christ salute you.” (Romans 16:16)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,10:22) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,21:58) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2012,18:00) With the exception of the true church of Christ. Please, see the holy testimony of the scriptures. Ref: Acts 4:34-35 NKJV.
Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold
35 and laid them down at the apostles’ feet. And distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.Can you oppose the above truth, Terraricca?
lIMJ
yes I can ;
Terraricca,OMG! Are you okay?
Admitting that you can oppose the words of God, written in the Holy Scriptures in the Book of Acts 4:34-35 NKJV. is like crushing the truth of God.
May the Lord God, lightening your herat.[/quote]
LMJDID YOU SEE MY ANSWER OR JUST GIVE YOUR OPINION ,
I HAVE EXPLAIN IT TO YOU SO READ IT IF NOT SO BE IT ,
YOU START TO ACT LIKE A FALSE DOCTOR OF THE LAW ,
MUCH TALK NO ACTION ,AND SHORT IN UNDERSTANDING
Terraricca,The question of mine is very clear. Quote: “Can you oppose the above truth, Terraricca? Your very answer is: “Yes, I can:..”
tYour answered with explanation or without, you was admitting that you are opposing the truth. right?
So, why now you have a gut in saying the un-professional and out of ethic words on me?
We are not here in Heaven Net to create the quarrel. Be patient and be humble in participating here in our discussion.
It's just a brotherly advice from someone younger than you.
Peace.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,14:02) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 22 2012,04:07)
Why is answering questions so difficult?
Ed j,It isn't difficult for me to answer, I am dealing with another people also and to respond with their inquiries is consuming a lot of my time. and … beside of it, I am very careful with the context of my answers.
I hope you could understand my side and you shall not be landed with unwise prescription about me.
God bless.
Hi limjunus,Do you have 'a side', if so what is 'YOUR SIDE'? <– please answer
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi limjunus,
I understand that most are reluctant to answer
the hard questions for fear of a follow-up attack.
I hope you do not feel this way, because I don't!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:25) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,03:38) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J
Ed j,read back with my post no. 527. The answer is within.
The posts are not numbered. That number represented how many times you had posted at that moment.It would be quicker if you just answered him. He will literally ask the question 100 times, so that this thread becomes taken over.
Hi David,Yes; we should answer the hard questions, rather than hoping they will just go away.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,14:03) you are a MIND SWEEPER do you understand what i mean by that
My dearest Terraricca,Again, the same answer from me. I am not the mind sweeper.
Which words of Christ, I have post that make me a “mind sweeper'? Can you re-post it.
Please, try to avoid posting harsh words and try to have a self control by not accusing somebody of wrong doing. It is not producing positives thoughts between you and me.
We are not here for quarreling. We are here to share what we had?
Peace.
My dearest Terraricca,
Just bring and share out what you had? Show here what the knowledge you have got from reading the Bible. I am a patient person ready to hear your side and placing my commentaries for the benefits of us and not to make the matters in vain.
I am very much willing to share what I have got from hearing the words of Christ through the genuine preachers truly sent by God, for the benefits of the true believers of Christ…. the chosen people of God.
Peace be with us.
Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:06) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,17:39) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,02:33) Quote Find the true preachers sent by God, nowadays with his divine credential, the pattern to determine which is the true preachers, specially made by God. –limjunis
If they are true preachers sent by God, why would I have to find them? Won't they find me? (Mat 28:18,20; mat 24:14)
David,Because there were so many false preachers roaming around the world, even within your place.
Therefore you should find the true preachers sent by God, among so many called preachers nowadays, so that the gospel you would be going to hear is the right words of God.
Hi.So, to be clear, you are saying that a person should find the true preachers, rather than the true preachers sent by God finding the people?
I was strongly under the impression that the true preachers sent by God (“go, therefore, and make disciples…”, mt 28:19,20) would be the ones finding the people, through their preaching work. (Mat 24:14)
It bothers me that you say the person should find them.
And, how are the people in lands without Internet access supposed to find them?
Dear David,You have missed my point. In fact I did not say the words with an end as the period;dead end.
Beside the Holy Scriptures, I am relying also to the facts, the current and real events around us. Obviously, there were so many preachers roaming around the world. Approaching any places as they can by preaching the so called “gospel of Christ”.
I did not meant my saying that the individual person should or must go out from his home to find the true preachers sent by God. In fact they were also roaming around the world and performing the works has been commissioned by God, for them.
What I really mean is, “find the true preachers sent by God, in the middle of the so called and professing preachers of the gospel of Christ. By testing the spirit (doctrines) if it is the spirit from God or not, through and base with the truth taken in accordance with the Holy Scriptures (Bible).
The true preachers sent by God, will works diligently by any means (face to face, by radio, Media, Reading materials with their own authenticated authorization for legal base matters in publications, by any modern facilities to reach the people every corner of the world to preach the gospel of Christ.
The same with the false preachers, they will do their very best to reach the people in every corner of the earth, by any means to convince the people as many as they can that their own version and interpretation of the gospel of Christ written in the Bible is the just and the rightful one.
Therefore, from the midst of the so called preachers of the gospel of Christ, we could check and test them which one among of them is the “true preachers sent by God to preach the gospel of Christ.
Is that clear or not?
Peace.
I'm trying to figure out what you actually believe. (You would answer “the bible,” but so would most)
Is a person saved the moment they are baptized? I've seen contradictory statements about what you believe about this.
Also, a Capella singing. If its true, why specifically do some feel that instruments shouldn't be used in worship?
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,11:49) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 22 2012,14:03) you are a MIND SWEEPER do you understand what i mean by that
My dearest Terraricca,Again, the same answer from me. I am not the mind sweeper.
Which words of Christ, I have post that make me a “mind sweeper'? Can you re-post it.
Please, try to avoid posting harsh words and try to have a self control by not accusing somebody of wrong doing. It is not producing positives thoughts between you and me.
We are not here for quarreling. We are here to share what we had?
Peace.
LimjIf you want to know what I have learn in the years of study ,I have shown it in my quotes
All what you have said to me so far I have written about it,and as for the name calling of Mind sweeper,I have told you that because the way you presented your true preachers of God. And never answer the question of who are they,you have the art of sweeping the mind of people and drag them away into your corner ,and so never answer to what I really want you to answer,
Your way to present reflect the way I believe you are,as a personality,
And for this you seem not be totally true, so I do not know we're you are going to go next,
You say that you are wiling to share what you have learned from being thought by your preachers so let me see what you have gain and what I have mised ,because not being guided by you preachers ok???
Dear David,
As an open knowledge to most the of the people and to everyone with the interest of finding the truth of God, and about God.
Most of the christian denominations, even the non-christian groups were having many and different ways of reaching the people in this world for the purposes of propagation of their own “religious doctrines”. Beside the face to face methods of preaching the gospel, they are were using now the modern facilities of media, publications, Internet websites, through invitation to attend the Bible study and so on.
There were also some preachers from different religious organizations has been assigned to do the missionary works of the Lord, in the rural areas; the isolated places that so very far from the modern cities of the earth. The walk in preachers has been tasked to do the missionary jobs, without whispering against their superior or administrators.
Each of every religious organization has their own “signatures versions of the so called “gospel of God”, weather it is by means of TV, Magazines, Pamphlets,audio c.d., oral and so on, …the lesson were different and against to one another versa-versa. The Bible did not consider the different religious organization with their own different signatures versions fighting and opposing against one another are all true groups for God. The Bible was telling us in advance thousand years ago, that there shall be false churches or group of religious people. False versions were many but the true church that bears the truth of God, is only one.
Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,17:23) Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:06) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,17:39) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,02:33) Quote Find the true preachers sent by God, nowadays with his divine credential, the pattern to determine which is the true preachers, specially made by God. –limjunis
If they are true preachers sent by God, why would I have to find them? Won't they find me? (Mat 28:18,20; mat 24:14)
David,Because there were so many false preachers roaming around the world, even within your place.
Therefore you should find the true preachers sent by God, among so many called preachers nowadays, so that the gospel you would be going to hear is the right words of God.
Hi.So, to be clear, you are saying that a person should find the true preachers, rather than the true preachers sent by God finding the people?
I was strongly under the impression that the true preachers sent by God (“go, therefore, and make disciples…”, mt 28:19,20) would be the ones finding the people, through their preaching work. (Mat 24:14)
It bothers me that you say the person should find them.
And, how are the people in lands without Internet access supposed to find them?
Dear David,You have missed my point. In fact I did not say the words with an end as the period;dead end.
Beside the Holy Scriptures, I am relying also to the facts, the current and real events around us. Obviously, there were so many preachers roaming around the world. Approaching any places as they can by preaching the so called “gospel of Christ”.
I did not meant my saying that the individual person should or must go out from his home to find the true preachers sent by God. In fact they were also roaming around the world and performing the works has been commissioned by God, for them.
What I really mean is, “find the true preachers sent by God, in the middle of the so called and professing preachers of the gospel of Christ. By testing the spirit (doctrines) if it is the spirit from God or not, through and base with the truth taken in accordance with the Holy Scriptures (Bible).
The true preachers sent by God, will works diligently by any means (face to face, by radio, Media, Reading materials with their own authenticated authorization for legal base matters in publications, by any modern facilities to reach the people every corner of the world to preach the gospel of Christ.
The same with the false preachers, they will do their very best to reach the people in every corner of the earth, by any means to convince the people as many as they can that their own version and interpretation of the gospel of Christ written in the Bible is the just and the rightful one.
Therefore, from the midst of the so called preachers of the gospel of Christ, we could check and test them which one among of them is the “true preachers sent by God to preach the gospel of Christ.
Is that clear or not?
Peace.
Hi limjunus“And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you,
and have taught you publickly, and from house to house” (Acts 20:20)What about going “House to House”? The Organization to which David belongs (the JW's)
go house to house – does the Organization (C.O.C.) you are affiliated with do this?Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:11) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,18:04) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,07:29) “Jesus Christ and his apostles have warned us long time ago. “There shall be false preachers and false Christ coming up in this world, deceiving people as many as they can. One of their mission is keeping the people of the world for not knowing the one and only true God. (2-Cor. 10:4-5 NLT)” Do you think hiding the fact that the God of the bible has a name, will help people to become closer to God, or do you think it will keep the people of the world from knowing God?
David,For not knowing the one and only true God, Hiding the essential name of God, with relation to the salvation of our souls is one among so many ways in keeping the people from not knowing Him.
The issue here in this topic is the “messengers of God”. The importance of the true preachers sent by God.
We must know first how to determine the false preachers and the true preachers.
Obviously, the false preachers were hiding the truth about God, including the very essential name of God, with the very important connection to the salvation of our souls. …. and obviously also, that the true preachers sent by God, shall not hiding the truth and the essential name of God.
Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.
I really don't like going off topic, but it really doesn't feel like I am too far off topic. You say: “we must know FIRST how to determine the false teachers…”You also say the false teachers were hiding the name of God.
What I know is that there are several translations that do not hide the fact that god has a personal name. By quoting from translations that hide this fact, doesn't that sort of make it seem like you are ok with or an accomplice to hiding his name?
“I have made your name known, and will make it known.”–Jesus.
My dear David,I did not said that you are going off topic or out of topic. In seeking the truth of God, we need to know first what is the topic?
Therefore, we should observe the rules of the topic. If the topic is “what is the personal name of the Almighty God, then we must observe the boundary line on it.
The rail road of the topic or the related issue is “The messengers of God”,.. relatively issue is “how we could determine the true messengers of God and who are not?
The true messengers of God, has so many task to do, especially nowadays. Therefore, we should go along with the top of the priorities and it also giving consideration with many matters to rich the people and also depending to what kind of person to be dealing to.
The gospel of Christ is not only one thought, it is compose of huge thoughts from God, one by one and step by step and very carefully in discharging it by the concern preachers and not only introducing the name of God.
Example: Not everybody is accepting that the Bible (any versions) are the the true words of God. You must show and prove with them first, what is the Bible, how come it is the words of the Almighty God?
We need a different approach also to the people like us, we were well verses with the Bible. For the people like us, we need to begin with the topic of ” who is the preachers of the gospel really have the spirit of God?
As per the Bible, the true messengers of God, are the one has the true spirit of God, to know what is the true meaning of the words of God.
So, we must begin with this issue.
Stick with the rail road, so that we could not be in disarray and landed to the conclusion that we are going no where?
Peace.
Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:25) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 22 2012,03:38) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2012,20:32) Hi limjunus, Are you suggesting that the group that calls themselves “The Church of Christ” is the correct one?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed j,read back with my post no. 527. The answer is within.
The posts are not numbered. That number represented how many times you had posted at that moment.It would be quicker if you just answered him. He will literally ask the question 100 times, so that this thread becomes taken over.
Dear David,The question has been answered and I am hoping Ed j. is very much happy about it.
Peace.
Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2012,14:18) Quote (limjunus @ Oct. 21 2012,18:04) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,07:29) “Jesus Christ and his apostles have warned us long time ago. “There shall be false preachers and false Christ coming up in this world, deceiving people as many as they can. One of their mission is keeping the people of the world for not knowing the one and only true God. (2-Cor. 10:4-5 NLT)” Do you think hiding the fact that the God of the bible has a name, will help people to become closer to God, or do you think it will keep the people of the world from knowing God?
David,For not knowing the one and only true God, Hiding the essential name of God, with relation to the salvation of our souls is one among so many ways in keeping the people from not knowing Him.
The issue here in this topic is the “messengers of God”. The importance of the true preachers sent by God.
We must know first how to determine the false preachers and the true preachers.
Obviously, the false preachers were hiding the truth about God, including the very essential name of God, with the very important connection to the salvation of our souls. …. and obviously also, that the true preachers sent by God, shall not hiding the truth and the essential name of God.
Therefore we should stick to the issue, because it is very much important.
Yes, we should stick to the issue. Your first post said:Quote Romans 10:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The step by step procedure before we can be saved.
The very essential procedures in making us the true believers of Christ.
I am discussing the first step in this step by step process. Of course, a name represents the one who it belongs to, and often means that. But still, as you said, something false teachers do, is hide gods name. I very much doubt that when the bible writer quoted this scripture from the Hebrew, they removed gods name. This was done later.
Dera David,You have missed the point again. I will do my best to make it easy for you to understand.
The reliable information given to us by the Book of Romans 10:13-15, 17 is not just about the name of the Lord.
Step (1 & 2):
The Holy Scriptures is telling us loudly and clear that we could not just call the name of the Lord, and shall be saved without believing on Him first.
Step (3)Before the people can believe on Him, they must be heard the the words of God.
Step (4): How the can be heard the words of God, without the preachers;
Step (5): And how the preachers can preach if they have not sent by God;
Step (6) Because believing comes from hearing the words of Christ.
The reliable information given to us by the chapter 10, and verses 13-15, 17 of the book of Romans is not “what is the name of the Lord…. it were meant for the right ways how to obtain the rightful beliefs in accordance with the will of God.
Peace.
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