The mark of the beast, Rev. 13

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Also THE DAY OF YHWH (the LORD), is known among belivers to be YHWH's feast called “THE LAST GREAT DAY.” This feast is in the fall after TABERNACLES, DAY OF AT-ONE-MENT and TRUMPETS!!! To Ken: 1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Now you know the rest of the story. I myself WILL not be asleep when that great and awesome Day of YHWH comes for I am one of those “children of the light.” That Day will not come upon Me as a theif. He is in Me and I in Him. His Ways are revealed to Me. You can see I have capitalized Me, because He is in Me, and I am not of myself. If you think every person on the planet will be suprized at His coming, study diligently and “see” that is a false doctrine of men. Plainly Scripture says, “As to the times and Seasons you do not have to be written to. Because the times and seasons written of here teach His people when the end shall be so that they are not in darkness. They are taught all over in Scripture and take up much space!

You mean like the ten virgins?

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Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

[Laurel]

Ken,
Yes, like the 10 virgins.

[Laurel]

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The Mark of the Beast By way of contrast the Mark of the Beast, the Signature of Satan, is the bogus weekly sabbath of Sunday and all those other heathen festivals which are currently posing as Christian holy days. (Christmas, Easter, Ash Wednesday, Hallowe'en etc.) These festivals are the offspring of paganism and true believers should have nothing to do with them. Like the sin of Jeroboam the son of Nebat they have been foolishly adopted by the church in place of the genuine Sabbaths of the Almighty. Yes, the churches of Christendom are doing exactly what the ancient Israel did under King Jeroboam; they are celebrating unsanctified days in preference to the appointed festivals of the Most High. Jeroboam's example was the type, the figure, the local illustration of a tragic reality that we are witnessing on a world scale in our day. Just before the end of this age the Antichrist is scheduled to make a personal appearance on this earth. (2 Thess. 2:7-8, Rev. 17:8) With breathtaking miracles and lying wonders he will seduce the inhabitants of the world into worshipping Him. (Rev. 13:13-15) His hatred of truth will focus on Yahweh's Law and particularly on the Sabbath days in His law. Vainly will the Antichrist imagine that he is able to change and replace God's Sabbaths with days of his own choosing. The prophet Daniel has this to say about the Antichrist's activities: Daniel 7:25  “And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of times.”   What does “He will think to change times and laws.” mean? It means that this power will vainly imagine that he can change the commandments in God's law which deal with the element of time. That means he will seek to alter the Sabbath commandments; for they alone deal with the element of time. Oh what monstrous pride and self-delusion is here displayed; that anyone should dare to think he is able to change the laws of the Almighty God! Listen to what the Saviour has to say about the eternal nature of His Father's commandments: Matthew 5:17  “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”   The word “fulfil” means to do, to carry out, to perform, to execute, to comply with, to obey. And that is exactly what the Saviour did. He carried out and obeyed His Father's commandments to the letter and in doing so set us a perfect example. (John 15:10) And you dear reader are now being given the opportunity to choose: Between Yahweh's Sign and the Antichrist's Mark Between the Truth and the Lie Between the 7th day Sabbath of the 4th commandment and Sunday the pagan counterfeit. Between the Feast Days of the God of Israel and the festivals of heathenism. Between obedience and disobedience or sin (1 John 3:4) The Bible says: 1 John 2:3  “And hereby, we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.”   The Apostle James tells us that faith without obedience is a dead thing, a spiritual corpse! (James 2:17-20). Yahweh expects Him followers to demonstrate their faith in Him by endeavouring to keep His commandments. To remember the true Sabbath and Feast Days in God's Law is a vote for the Almighty; a proclamation to the community and the universe at large that Yahweh, the Father of our Lord and Saviour Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) is your God, your choice. It is standing up to be counted with God's people. It is accepting the Father's Name in your forehead, your mind. Sabbath observance is a declaration of faith in the Creator of the mighty universe – the One who is LORD of the Sabbath day. (John 1:1-3 & Matt 12:8) How long you personally have before you make your choice and finalise your vote we cannot tell. But you may be sure the time is short and to delay is dangerous. Carefully consider your decision before you make it, for the issues at stake are momentous and the consequences of a wrong choice are too dreadful to even contemplate. Read Rev. 14:9-11 for your own safety. To help you further understand this matter, Stewarton Bible School has produced a lesson entitled The Mark of the Beast. It contains information of great importance, so read it today if you have not already done so. If you decide to obey the Almighty you will be bountifully blessed; blessed and protected from the terrors of Abaddon's regime which is about to tear our civilisation apart. (Rev. 9:4) Yes, obedience will bring blessing. Revelation 22:14  “Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have a right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates unto the city.”   If in the other hand, you reject Yahweh's Sign (the sacred Sabbaths detailed in His law) then you will only have yourself to blame when Abbadon's reign of terror begins; for you can never honestly say that you didn't know. Stewarton Bible School has warned you of the danger of accepting the Mark of the Beast, the bogus sabbaths of Christendom. To help you decide your future course of action we will summarise this study and end this section.   SBS     Calendar     Booklet Index ——————————————————————————– Elder: David B Loughran Stewarton Bible School, Stewarton, Scotland Updated: May 1999

In lieu of the current RW End-Time rave, I just wanted to repost this since there are so many new faces here. I'll bump some of my other posts as well, as I find them.

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Dan 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height [was] threescore cubits, [and] the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. Dan 3:2 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up. Dan 3:4 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages, Dan 3:5 [That] at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: Dan 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. Dan 3:12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up. Dan 3:13 Then Nebuchadnezzar in [his] rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king. Dan 3:14 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, [Is it] true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up? Dan 3:15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; [well]: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who [is] that God that shall deliver you out of my hands? Dan 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we [are] not careful to answer thee in this matter. Dan 3:17 If it be [so], our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver [us] out of thine hand, O king. Dan 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up. Dan 3:19 Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: [therefore] he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated. Dan 3:20 And he commanded the most mighty men that [were] in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, [and] to cast [them] into the burning fiery furnace. Dan 3:21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their [other] garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Dan 3:22 Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Dan 3:23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Dan 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, [and] spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

This is a KJV bias problem.
It could equally read “a son of God”

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2009,09:55)

Hi 94 Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. This is a KJV bias problem. It could equally read “a son of God”

Hi Nick:

Whatever, it is the Lord Jesus in the firery furnace with them and with us.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
Can you prove this?

Why would the Lord Jesus, who had yet to be born, be with these men?

Who would know what he looked like to be able to recognise him?

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Hi 94, Can you prove this? Why would the Lord Jesus, who had yet to be born, be with these men? Who would know what he looked like to be able to recognise him?

Hi Nick:

This is a vision. I can't prove anything, but I Know who delivered them and me from the fire through his sacrifice.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
So why not an angelic son?
Personal visions are not utterly trustworthy.
Col2
18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2009,14:05)

Hi 94, So why not an angelic son? Personal visions are not utterly trustworthy. Col2 18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

Because I know who delivered them and me from the the fire. It wasn't through an angelic son.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
God?
Through one of His servants?

Or do you just know.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2009,16:15)

Hi 94, God? Through one of His servants?   Or do you just know.

I know that he has given his life to be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world and that he sits at the right hand of God making intercession for me even now.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
So is there any relationship between those truths and your idea he walked through a fire before he was born?

[942767]

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Hi 94, So is there any relationship between those truths and your idea he walked through a fire before he was born?

Hi Nick:

I believe there is symbolism here showing that God has delivered us from the fire through Jesus. Nebu threw three men into the fire, and he saw a fourth “man”. Also, who came out of the fire were three men not four. Therefore, I believe that Nebu saw a vision of Jesus in the fire with the three Hebrew children.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
So you think Jesus had to come before he was born to give full impact to a symbol?
Angels are often mistaken as men and some have entertained them unknowingly.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2009,12:14)

Hi 94, So you think Jesus had to come before he was born to give full impact to a symbol? Angels are often mistaken as men and some have entertained them unknowingly.

Hi Nick:

First of all, I did not say that Jesus had to come before he was born.  This was a vision that Nebu saw.  All of humanity was in the fire, and those who have obeyed God from the beginning until the end have been delivered from by God through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ, our Lord Jesus.

 There is another scripture in Daniel showing a vision of Jesus coming in the clouds, and we know that this has not happened yet. These events help us to understand the end time events which are coming.

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Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Nebuchadnezzar is symbolic of the Anti-Christ of whom the scripture states that all who are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will worship him.

It is true that the scripture tells us be careful to entertain strangers indicating that some in doing this have enteratined angels unawares, but the scripture states that there were four “men”.  If you want to pursue that avenue, then you would have to have some basis to believe that it was an angel.  I don't because of what I have stated.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
Is this a vision?
Dan 3[ylt]
23And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, have fallen down in the midst of the burning fiery furnace — bound.

24Then Nebuchadnezzar the king hath been astonished, and hath risen in haste; he hath answered and said to his counsellors, `Have we not cast three men into the midst of the fire — bound?' They have answered and are saying to the king, `Certainly, O king.'

25He answered and hath said, `Lo, I am seeing four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the appearance of the fourth [is] like to a son of the gods.'

Was this a man spoken of in v 2 and 6?
Ez 10
2And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.

3Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.

4Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD's glory.

5And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.

6And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2009,13:12)

Hi 94, Is this a vision? Dan 3[ylt] 23And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, have fallen down in the midst of the burning fiery furnace — bound. 24Then Nebuchadnezzar the king hath been astonished, and hath risen in haste; he hath answered and said to his counsellors, `Have we not cast three men into the midst of the fire — bound?' They have answered and are saying to the king, `Certainly, O king.' 25He answered and hath said, `Lo, I am seeing four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the appearance of the fourth [is] like to a son of the gods.' Was this a man spoken of in v 2 and 6? Ez 10 2And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight. 3Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court. 4Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD's glory. 5And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. 6And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.

Hi Nick:

I am not saying that the whole thing that Nebu saw was a vision.  Only the fourth man that he saw in the fire with the three that he threw in the fire.

About the verses in Ezekiel, the scriptures say “man”, and so, what do you think?

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
Compare Ez 9
3And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

8And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

9Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.

10And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

11And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

Given that angels can have the appearance of a man and the words are the visual impressions of a prophet I think it was an angel.IMO

Ezekiel 10:8
And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings.

Ezekiel 10:14
And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

Ezekiel 10:21
Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

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