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Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,20:34) Follow Y'shua, He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
In these end times more than ever we need to Keep God's commandment and faith in Jesus, Rev.14:12.That's the bottom line.
Who does NOT agree with this?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 29 2007,18:59) Laurel and kenrch Is there anthing in my previous post that gives you concern?
Is there anything in my post that is unscriptural?
Please take any one of my sentences and correct me or instruct me where needed.
Yeshua has come to free us from the law of sin and death, the dead letter of the word, by giving us the Spirit of life that quickens or writes the law in our hearts and has made us free.
Rom 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.Paul makes a distinction between the law of sin and death and the law of the Spirit of life.
He also makes a distinction between those who mind the things of the Spirit and those who mind the things of the flesh.
Sarah>Spirit>law written on hearts>freewoman
Hagar>flesh>law written on stone>bondwoman
Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.Please read it in context Laurel…
Gal 3:
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.You want to be under the “school master”, the law, go ahead.
You want to serve the law by the flesh, go ahead.
By faith I will walk in the Spirit and fulfill all the law.
Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.Laurel and kenrch, in both of your post there is no mention of the Spirit, only the keeping of the law.
How do you suppose to keep the law without the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.Who better can fulfill the law through us than Yeshua?
Only by his “life” in us. His Spirit guiding and leading and filling us. There is no law against that.
Gal 4:21
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.Law verses Spirit. Free woman verses bondwoman.
Which one do you follow?
In Romans Paul is saying there is a difference between what men judge and rule by which is the fleshy human brain, AND the Torah which was given by YHWH that judges our hearts.WJ, The Torah is the law that stands forver, in this life and up untill the next life.
Here is an example of how man's laws interfere with the Torah:
A husband tells his wife she must not worship on the Sabbath. He says we are under a new law now, and that law is freedom!
The wife remembers that her husband is her head and she is to submit to him. She feels that either way she goes, she is sinning. She follows her husband, as she was commanded by YHWH and begins keeping the 1st day, rather than the Sabbath. In her heart she is keeping peace in her relationship with her husband, and has faith in YHWH to convict her husband of what he is causing her to do.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Master.
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
I can tell you that she will not be condemned for following her husband, BUT her husband will, because YHWH is just and His judgments are just.
From Galatians:
When you see the word “faith” use the word “belief” and see that before we believed we were under the law. Why? because we did not understand it. We were never taught about it. We were strangers to it. Because we were ignorant of the Torah, we lived in sin, and under the penalty of sin which is death.Now understaning the Torah, through the belief that Y'shua is the Messiah, and in following Him, knowing what sin is… We choose not to sin, being free from sin, knowing that all the sin we did in ignorance is wiped away, we begin under the new covenant with a clean slate.
As we grow in the Spirit, learning from our Master, we see more areas of our lives where we need to get cleaned up. The more we grow in His Spirit, the closer we become to living the Way our Master Y'shua lived.
This is our “good works” that we grow in belief into the man or woman YHWH wants us to be. Our works is our fruit that show the world that we belong to YHWH our Elohim!! We become set-apart to Him, by doing His will and not our own. Free servants. We choose to serve Him, we were not forced to do it like those under the old covenent.
“By faith I will walk in the Spirit and fulfill all the law” qoute by WJ
WJ, You will fulfill nothing! Who do you think you are?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 29 2007,18:59) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 29 2007,07:45) Rom 7:12 Wherefore the Torah is Set-apart, and the commands Set-apart, and just, and good. Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
1Ti 1:8 But we know that the Torah is good, if a man use it legitimately;
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the Torah became our trainer to bring us to Messiah, in order to be declared right by belief.
If we sin, we know it because the Torah teaches us what sin is. Once we realize our sin, we confess it to Messiah. Y'shua Messiah heals us and says, “Go and SIN NO MORE!
This is a process kown as the refiners fire.
The more we learn from the Torah, the more FREE we are from sin and the works of lawlessness.
Now being FREE from sin, we can come to our Father YHWH our Elohim clean and in the white garment of the Wedding Feast, THROUGH Messiah's teachings. Messiah is our teacher, Messiah is YHWH's true representative, here to rescue us from the world!!!
The Torah
Laurel and kenrch
Is there anthing in my previous post that gives you concern?
Is there anything in my post that is unscriptural?
Please take any one of my sentences and correct me or instruct me where needed.
Yeshua has come to free us from the law of sin and death, the dead letter of the word, by giving us the Spirit of life that quickens or writes the law in our hearts and has made us free.
Rom 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.Paul makes a distinction between the law of sin and death and the law of the Spirit of life.
He also makes a distinction between those who mind the things of the Spirit and those who mind the things of the flesh.
Sarah>Spirit>law written on hearts>freewoman
Hagar>flesh>law written on stone>bondwoman
Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.Please read it in context Laurel…
Gal 3:
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.You want to be under the “school master”, the law, go ahead.
You want to serve the law by the flesh, go ahead.
By faith I will walk in the Spirit and fulfill all the law.
Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.Laurel and kenrch, in both of your post there is no mention of the Spirit, only the keeping of the law.
How do you suppose to keep the law without the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.Who better can fulfill the law through us than Yeshua?
Only by his “life” in us. His Spirit guiding and leading and filling us. There is no law against that.
Gal 4:21
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.Law verses Spirit. Free woman verses bondwoman.
Which one do you follow?
WJ,In Romans 7 Paul says the the law is spiritual, that he serves the Law of God. In Romans 8 Paul says that only by the spirit can one keep the law of God and those of the flesh cannot.
In Gal.4: Paul continues to show the separation of the Law. Ye keep days, years, months etc.
In 1Cor 7 Paul states what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God. In 1Cor 9;20-21 Paul says He was never without the law of God but under the law of Christ.
In Col. 2:14-16 Paul states that Ordinances were nailed to the cross and goes on to state that those ordinances had to do with (again) moons, feasts, food, and Sabbath DAYS (plural) meaning the annual Sabbaths that went with the feasts.
God only wrote TEN Commandments ALL other laws were given to Moses to write which is why they are called Moses' law. God's law written in stone and put inside the ark and Moses' law written in a book placed on the side of the ark. Deu. 10:1-5, 31:9 and 26
Now WJ did God get writers cramp so had Moses relieve HIM? Or did God( WHO IS ETERNAL) write the Ten in stone, and gave the other laws to Moses who is NOT eternal to write to show that they would disappear.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
One who is deceived does not sin God knows the heart. But sooner or latter one will receive the truth and no longer be deceived.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Today the last days we are to be keeping the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Rev. 14:12
In the New Kingdom after Jesus turns over everything to the Father those who DO the commandments will have the right to the tree of life.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God bless WJ,
Ken
OK Ken,
If the Feasts are no more , then you say we also do not have to obey the first commandment which is about our exile out of Eqypt!So what's the difference if WJ says the 4th commandment is no more, than if you say the first commandment is no more?
You are confusing the issue you know.
Mar 1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
(Y'shua tells us to obey Moses)Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Elijah and Moses with Y'shua!Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
(Y'shua uses Moses teachings for His own.)Luk 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
(Y'shua's own mother followed the Torah.)Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
(Here again is Y'shua using Moses teschings saying the Pharisees do not “hear” Moses, so how can they understand..)Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
(After He was raised from the dead, Y'shua teaches His disciples about the Torah, and where it teaches about Himself.)Do you have enough yet Ken?
Laurel
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Here is Timothy telling us the same thing. He admits he was a sinner, but Y'shua showed him it is possible not to sin, he says we can all be this way.First of all it was Paul writing to Timothy.
Second, Please tell us what laws we have to keep to not sin.
Could you give us a list including the feast and laws that you keep?
Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 01 2007,08:06) [/quote] WorshippingJesus,Nov. wrote:Laurel and kenrch
Is there anthing in my previous post that gives you concern?
Is there anything in my post that is unscriptural?
Please take any one of my sentences and correct me or instruct me where needed.
Yeshua has come to free us from the law of sin and death, the dead letter of the word, by giving us the Spirit of life that quickens or writes the law in our hearts and has made us free.
Rom 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.Paul makes a distinction between the law of sin and death and the law of the Spirit of life.
He also makes a distinction between those who mind the things of the Spirit and those who mind the things of the flesh.
Sarah>Spirit>law written on hearts>freewoman
Hagar>flesh>law written on stone>bondwoman
Rom 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.Please read it in context Laurel…
Gal 3:
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.You want to be under the “school master”, the law, go ahead.
You want to serve the law by the flesh, go ahead.
By faith I will walk in the Spirit and fulfill all the law.
Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.Laurel and kenrch, in both of your post there is no mention of the Spirit, only the keeping of the law.
How do you suppose to keep the law without the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.Who better can fulfill the law through us than Yeshua?
Only by his “life” in us. His Spirit guiding and leading and filling us. There is no law against that.
Gal 4:21
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.Law verses Spirit. Free woman verses bondwoman.
Which one do you follow?
Laurel
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In Romans Paul is saying there is a difference between what men judge and rule by which is the fleshy human brain, AND the Torah which was given by YHWH that judges our hearts.WJ, The Torah is the law that stands forver, in this life and up untill the next life.
And the NT scriptures are not forever?
What about this commandment…
Matt 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments *hang all the law* and the prophets.Kinda goes with this one…
Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.Funny, I dont see any feast metioned in there.
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Here is an example of how man's laws interfere with the Torah:A husband tells his wife she must not worship on the Sabbath. He says we are under a new law now, and that law is freedom!
The wife remembers that her husband is her head and she is to submit to him. She feels that either way she goes, she is sinning. She follows her husband, as she was commanded by YHWH and begins keeping the 1st day, rather than the Sabbath. In her heart she is keeping peace in her relationship with her husband, and has faith in YHWH to convict her husband of what he is causing her to do.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Master.
Boy the husband is sure mixed up. For freedom is not a law.
But I thought if a husband commands his wife to sin, then she is not obligated to do as he says?
Is it not more important to obey YHWH than to sin?
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Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.I can tell you that she will not be condemned for following her husband, BUT her husband will, because YHWH is just and His judgments are just.
Again, if those who rule over us would cause us to sin, then we have more obligation to obey YHWH right? Especially if it is one of those commandments writen in stone. If She willfully sins like her husband then wouldnt she also be accountable?
What if the Husband told her to steal her nieghbors lawn mower. Is she obligated to
do it because of the scriptures you quote? How about murder?Didnt many martyrs die for not submitting to the leaders or rulers to bow down to a false god, or deny Yeshua?
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From Galatians:
When you see the word “faith” use the word “belief” and see that before we believed we were under the law. Why? because we did not understand it. We were never taught about it. We were strangers to it. Because we were ignorant of the Torah, we lived in sin, and under the penalty of sin which is death.I am pretty sure the word “Faith” and “Belief” have the same meaning. But what I think you are saying is that before we believed we were under the law but now that we believe we are still under the law but are not ignorant of it. Is that right?
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Now understaning the Torah, through the belief that Y'shua is the Messiah, and in following Him, knowing what sin is… We choose not to sin, being free from sin, knowing that all the sin we did in ignorance is wiped away, we begin under the new covenant with a clean slate.OK our slate is wiped clean and we begin under the New covenant. I can go along with that.
But, the Torah is the “Old Covenant” and the GT is the “New Covenant”, right?
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As we grow in the Spirit, learning from our Master, we see more areas of our lives where we need to get cleaned up. The more we grow in His Spirit, the closer we become to living the Way our Master Y'shua lived.Ok. Good.
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This is our “good works” that we grow in belief into the man or woman YHWH wants us to be. Our works is our fruit that show the world that we belong to YHWH our Elohim!! We become set-apart to Him, by doing His will and not our own. Free servants. We choose to serve Him, we were not forced to do it like those under the old covenent.OK. So how does that disagree with my post?
Ken
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Today the last days we are to be keeping the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Rev. 14:12In the New Kingdom after Jesus turns over everything to the Father those who DO the commandments will have the right to the tree of life.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God bless WJ,
Ken
Well in the Kingdom I hope all will be obeying him. But as for now…
Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained
that we should walk in them.Blessings
Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 01 2007,16:44) OK Ken,
If the Feasts are no more , then you say we also do not have to obey the first commandment which is about our exile out of Eqypt!So what's the difference if WJ says the 4th commandment is no more, than if you say the first commandment is no more?
You are confusing the issue you know.
Laurel is their a separation of the Law that God wrote and the law HE gave Moses to write?Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 01 2007,17:02) Mar 1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
(Y'shua tells us to obey Moses)Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Elijah and Moses with Y'shua!Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
(Y'shua uses Moses teachings for His own.)Luk 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
(Y'shua's own mother followed the Torah.)Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
(Here again is Y'shua using Moses teschings saying the Pharisees do not “hear” Moses, so how can they understand..)Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
(After He was raised from the dead, Y'shua teaches His disciples about the Torah, and where it teaches about Himself.)Do you have enough yet Ken?
Had the lamb of God been sacrificed when Jesus said these things?Your problem Laurel is the apostle to the Gentiles.
1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
1Co 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.Who are the weak? Rom 14
If the feasts bring you closer to God then PLEASE keep them.
WJ,
The Torah teaches us about Messiah. The Torah is our “instructions.” The Torah was inspired by Elohim. Y'shua's works are to do the Torah and only Y'shua can do all things written in the Torah. When I say all things I am speaking of Y'shua being the Passover, Y'shua being the First friut, Y'shua Tabernacling among us in a temporary human body, and Y'shua returning to claim us on The Last Great Day.Y'shua was also the only human who never broke any one of the commandments while flesh and blood.
Scripture says the Word was made flesh and dwelt (Tabernacled) among us. Y'shua is the Word that was written that we begin to see back in Genesis. Y'shua did become flesh and lived within the “Oracles of Elohim.”
He gives full meaning to the written Word which IS the Spirit of Truth. Only the Spirit of Truth can be understood by those who diligently yearn to do thewill of YHWH our Elohim. It is YHWH's will that we believe that Y'shua is His Son and His Salvation. It is YHWH's will that we make His Son our Master. We volunteer freely to follow Y'shua, because He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
It was all planned from the beginning, before anything that was formed came in to existance. Y'shua is living proof (now through the Set-apart Spirit) then as human flesh, and before that as the written Word, taught to the people through prophets, Moses, Isaiah, Jacob, etc.
Y'ashua says if you love me keep my commands.
The commands are not grevious.
The Torah is a light in the dark places.
YHWH's law and Y'shua's law are exactly the same law.
Man's law is whatever trys to change, cover or corrupt YHWH's law.
YHWH's law is the Torah.
One recieved through human teachers, now learned through the Set-apart Spirit.
YHWH knows our hearts and He knows what we are able to bear, because the Truth is something, not everyone can bear.
If we rely in the Spirit of Truth for understanding, and avoid all books written by men (not Scripture) and theology which is a science of understanding the Word, we will “hear” what He wants us to hear. Don't try and force feed yourself with the traditions and doctrines of men.
If you really want to know the laws we are to follow, study Scripture and may I suggest you begin at Genesis and ask YHWH our Elohim for understanding in Y'shua's Name.
Jer 6:16 Thus saith YHWH, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 02 2007,00:07) Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 01 2007,17:02) Mar 1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
(Y'shua tells us to obey Moses)Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Elijah and Moses with Y'shua!Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
(Y'shua uses Moses teachings for His own.)Luk 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
(Y'shua's own mother followed the Torah.)Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
(Here again is Y'shua using Moses teschings saying the Pharisees do not “hear” Moses, so how can they understand..)Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
(After He was raised from the dead, Y'shua teaches His disciples about the Torah, and where it teaches about Himself.)Do you have enough yet Ken?
Had the lamb of God been sacrificed when Jesus said these things?Your problem Laurel is the apostle to the Gentiles.
1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
1Co 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.Who are the weak? Rom 14
If the feasts bring you closer to God then PLEASE keep them.
What Paul is saying is not that he kept “their” laws BUT that he put himself in their shoes, in order to be able to understand where they were coming from. He had to teach from as if in their shoes.They were in a pit, and he got in the pit with them, to show them how to climb out of it.
He didn't hang out with them and do what they did.
At Luke 24:27 The Messiah had already been raised from the dead.
The Torah was written for sinners. If you are a sinner you need the instructions found in the Torah. These instructions will teach you about the Messiah and why He lived the Way He did. We as sinners are under the Torah. When we can say that we no longer sin, we can say we are not under the Torah.
When learning from the Torah, we become aware what we have been doing wronly. It is this Torah that show us sinners that we NEED Y'shua Messiah. If we do not need the Torah then we do not need the Messiah. He did not come to save the righteous, He came for the sinners, the lost. His lost sheep!
Before the Torah was only for the children of Israel, not it is for all of mankind, Jew and Gentile alike.
I know I'm not good at explaining, listen to the Spirit of Truth, He will help you better than I can.
THE DAY OF THE LORD
There have been more than one “day of the LORD” in the past. The “day” is not a single day either, it is the time or period in which God will finally do, what he had said or warned about he would do. And usually that meant trouble. For instance; God had the prophet Joel warn the northern kingdom Israel;
Joel 2:1 “Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain; let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand.”
v. 2 “A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains; a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.”
v. 3 “A fire devoured before them; and behind them a flame burneth; the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.”
An invasion of another nation would cause such a confusion and chaos; people would run around as if it was dark. A fire destroys and so would this army, they would leave nothing behind them but wasteland.
Joel 1:15 “Alas for the day! For the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.”
v. 6 “For a nation is come up upon my land (Israel), strong and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he has the cheek teeth of a great lion.”
Showing their destructive power. This great nation was the Assyrians, who in 722 B.C. invaded and conquered the northern kingdom of Israel. The people never returned and were known from then on as the lost ten tribes of Israel. A hundred years later, God had Jeremiah warn the southern kingdom Judah for 23 years;
Jer. 25:3 “From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, even unto this day, that is the three and twentieth year, the word of the LORD hath come unto me, and I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye have not hearkened.”
v. 8 “Therefore thus saith the LORD of host; because ye have not heard my words,”
v. 9 “Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrez’zar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolation.”
Zephaniah told the people of Judah, that the invasion of the Babylonians would be their day of God’s wrath;
Zeph. 1:14 “The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD; the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.”
v. 15 “That day (or time), is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness.”
This day came to pass in the year 606 B.C., when the Babylonians invaded the kingdom of Judah. Let us not misunderstand this; God will not excuse the evil of a nation just because he uses them to punish another. God’s anger is not only against his people, it is against all evil nations.
Is. 13:11 “And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”
v. 17 “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, (Babylon) which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.”
v. 19 “And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chal’dees excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomor’rah.”
This is to show us that no nation will go unpunished for their wickedness. Another “day of the Lord”, or, “the Lord’s day”, we read about in the book of Revelation.
Rev. 1:10 “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.”
The apostle Paul calls it, the day of Christ;
2 Thes. 2:2 “That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.”
“The day of Christ or the Lord’s day”, is referring to the millennium, the thousand years of Christ’s reign. Many people associate Christ’s return with Christ taken vengeance on the unbelievers, and destroying them all, nothing could be further from the truth. It is just the opposite. Christ’s reign will be the judging, the teaching of the world; the beginning of a new era. Judging is not sentencing or condemning, we read in,
1 Peter 4:17 “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God…”
The house of God, the temple of God, the bride of Christ; they are the saints. They were the first to be judged, to be taught. They will assist Christ in teaching the rest of the world during his thousand-year reign. Their faith was severely tested; to prove they are worthy to reign with Christ. That is why their reward is so much greater; their reward is a spirit nature. When Christ begins to reign he will judge, teach the whole world, but the world will not have to fear him. He will not force any one, nor will he torture any one, he wants you to love him, and he wants you to learn why you should love him. We know that he will rule with a rod of iron, but that rod is only used for correction, not for beating.
John 5:22 “For the Father judgeth (teaches) no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.”
Ps. 98:9 “Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge (teach) the earth (people): with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity (fairness, impartiality).”
It will be the time of refreshing; and restoring.
Acts 3:19 “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come, from the presence of the Lord.”
v. 21 “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
By the end of the millennium, Jesus Christ will have this earth restored to paradise, that is the good news, the bad news is, we’re not there yet. In fact, there is much trouble ahead, and most of us that are living today will see it unfold. Jesus Christ predicted three tribulation periods for God’s people, the Israelites or Jews, in what is known as the Olivet prophesy.
The first; as it is recorded in,
Luke 21:20 “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.”
The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple occurred in A.D. 70, by the Romans; it not only brought an end to animal sacrifices, but it was also the end of the Jewish nation, also called, the house of Judah. Jesus had just spoken of their destruction in,
Mat. 23:38 “Behold, your house (nation) is left unto you desolate.”
Those that survived the slaughter were carried into all the world, just as Ezekiel prophesied they would while they were still in their Babylonian captivity.
Eze. 22:15 “And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee.”
The second; tribulation period was during Hitler’s reign;
Mat. 24:21 “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
Hitler had a hatred for the Jews, that, had he won the war, there would be no flesh – Jew – alive today, but for the elect – Jews – sake, the days were shortened, Germany lost the war;
Mat. 24:22 “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect sake those days shall be shortened.”
Jeremiah and Daniel also s
poke of this particular tribulation.
Jer. 30:7 “Alas! For that day (time) is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.”
Dan. 12:1 “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered…”
The fact that all three books mention the worst time ever for the Israelites, and in each prophecy they were to be saved out of it, is prove that they all point to the same tribulation. The worst time in Jewish history was during the reign of Adolf Hitler. There are many people that say and believe it too, that God is through with the Israelites; nothing could be further from the truth. God chose the Israelites as his special people and they still are.
Deut. 7:6 “For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God; The Lord thy God has chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon
the face of the earth.”
Rom. 11:28 “As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes; but as
touching the election, the are beloved for the Fathers’ sakes.”
The third; tribulation period is just ahead. Jesus mentions it only by saying what will happen after it,
Mat. 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days (our days) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.”
This will not only be a tribulation for the Israelites, but for the rest of the world as well. All religious powers and governments hear on earth will be shaken up.
Ps. 50:4 “He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth that he may judge his people.”
What we see on TV now and read in News Paper almost every day, is exactly what Zechariah said would happen over 2000 years ago.
Zech. 12:2 “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.”
v. 3 “And in that day (our time) will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.”
What we are witnessing today is Satan’s desperate attempt to destroy mankind, with any means possible.
Rev. 16:13 “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.”
v. 14 “For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”
They are the spirits of demons, and what they have done to the minds of people, is nothing short of a miracle. Can you ever remember a time when people in our country behaved the way they do now? There is not a night going by were you don’t hear of shooting, murder, rape or child molesting. Satan has managed to blind the eyes, and stop up the ears of people that call themselves Christians. They have allowed God and Jesus to be removed from this country. And is our government, and learning institutions doing anything about it? NO, in fact they lead the parade.
Is. 5:20 “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”
v. 21 “Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!”
Even some of our ministers getting more and more involved in politics, that is not their job.
2 Tim. 2:3 “Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.”
v. 4 “No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who has chosen him to be a soldier.”
Just as in the Second World War, Satan is trying his hardest, and succeeding, to turn nation against nation, because his main goal has not changed; the total destruction of the nation Israel.
Rev. 16:16 “And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.”
Armageddon, or Megiddo, is a place in Israel, it is famous and symbolic for the many battles fought there, but it will not be the battlefield for this fight. This last battle will be fought from all sides of the nation.
But God say’s, bring on the whole world, it matters not; and what you read next is about to be fulfilled too.
Zech. 12: 9 “And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come (or are) against Jerusalem.”
Zech. 14:2 “For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the woman ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.”
God say’s, he will seek to destroy any nation that is against Jerusalem; is there any nation left, that is not against Israel? God will let the enemy get the upper hand first, and when it appears as though all is lost;
v. 3 “Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.”
God will leave no doubt in peoples mind who it is that is intervening on the Israelis behalf. God’s intervention in the battle will be understood by all nations because of the way he will defeat them.
v. 12 “And this shall be the plague where with the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.”
Many Pastors have explained this scripture to be the proof for Armageddon, the final holocaust. Would it be a man made bomb of any kind, it would kill friend and foe. It would not only consume the flesh of their bones, it would incinerate the whole body or at least blow it away. And this plague is only on those that fought against Jerusalem and Judah. The question is: Do we believe God will destroy us? Do we believe he can? How will he destroy us? Can we change his mind? God say’s, he would do nothing, without revealing it first to his prophets.
Amos 3:7 “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealed his secret unto his servants the prophets.”
God was about to destroy the city Nineveh, capital of Assyria, with all inhabitants, for their wickedness. So he sent the prophet Jonah to warn the people, that unless they repented and turned from their evil ways, God would destroy them all. Well, Jonah refused to go, because he would rather see those people destroyed. But God convinced him to go. Jonah went and warned the people, and they believed God.
Jonah 3:7 “And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the King and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing; let them not feed, nor drink water.”
v. 8 “But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God; yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.”
v. 9 “Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away form his fierce anger, that we perish not?”
v. 10 “And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.”
We will never know how God would have punished the people of Nineveh, had they not repented. What about us today; is God sending us prophets? Is God warning us? We have had indeed, many wakeup calls, but is anyone listening? Do we believe all those so-called “natural disasters” are just coinciden
tal? What are “natural disasters”? Why do we even call them “natural disasters”? They are “natures disasters”, but there is nothing “natural” about them. They were not in God’s plan when he first created mankind. When sin entered into the world, so did disease, sickness and death, and the earth was cursed also.
Gen. 3:17 “And unto Adam he said, because thou hast harkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.”
Paul says, not only do we wait for the redemption of our dying and decaying bodies, the whole creation is groaning.
Rom. 8:19 (from the NIV translation)
“The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.”
v. 20 “For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
v. 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.”
v. 22 “We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.”
God is trying to get our attention and yes, we have Prophets in our time, but we call them “Scientist”. They prophesy we call it predicting. They “predict” that the BIG ONE, earthquake, in California is over due. They “predict” that Yellowstone Park, a caldera’s, can erupt almost any time now.
Is. 13:9 “ Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it”.
v. 10 “ For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine”.
If you ever saw the computer dramatization of the eruption of Yellowstone Park, or other monster Volcanoes for that matter, then you should have no problem understanding that last scripture. Our God is a very patient God, but we have interpreted his patience as slack, and have become arrogant and proud, not to mention self-reliant; big mistake. Israel’s last punishment is also God’s wrath on the whole world.
v. 11 “ And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible”.
Our Scientist “predict” that part of an Island of Hawaii will break off and cause a tsunami several hundred feet high. They “predict” that a much greater part of an Island, off the west coast of Africa, will slide in the Ocean, causing a tsunami, perhaps a thousand feet high. On top of that we have to deal with Hurricanes, Tornadoes, floods and mudslides, droughts and fires, not to forget Earthquakes; and are they not getting worse? Yes, I say God has sent us his Prophets, and yes, he has warned us. All of our Ministers urge us to repent. Are we so blind not to see the writing on the wall? How far do we dare stretch God’s patience? It is up to the King, or President to save his nation, to lead his nation in justice and righteousness, if he will not, God promises protection to those individuals who love and obey him.
Ps. 91:3 “Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.”
v. 5 “Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;”
v. 7 “A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.”
If you are still not convinced that God will punish all nations, read the next two verses and think hard about what they say.
Is. 24:6 “Therefore has the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Zech. 14:16 “ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of host, and to keep the feast of tabernacles”.
From all those that are left; will you be among them? Jesus was telling us, that immediately after the tribulation of those days, Mat. 24:29, we don’t know how long those days will last, what he did say was that after all the destruction and devastation, he will appear; not like he did the first time, as a babe, but as King of kings in all his glory.
Mat. 24:30 “ And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory”.
No human will actually ever see Jesus Christ again; the only way we will see him, is hidden behind a cloud; Jesus is now a divine, glorified spirit being; he shines as the sun in full strength, and who can look at the sun on a cloudless day?
Rev. 1:16 “And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.”
Jesus even told us that we, the world, would not see him no more, why is it so hard to believe the truth?
John 14:19 “Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more…”
We won’t see him with our eyes, but we will know he is here; because this will be the beginning of his thousand year reign; he is “ Lord “ and it will be his “ day “. It is in this “ day “, that he will judge – teach – the world; the living and the dead, as they are being resurrected;
1 Cor. 15:22 “ For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive”.
v. 23 “ but every man in his own order…”
There should be no doubt as to who is all; every body that dies is all; you don’t even have a say in it; if you die, you will be resurrected; it’s a done deal, after that you can refuse to live forever, all you have to do is disobey God, that’s all; you can also be sure of this; this world as we know it, won’t be the same;
Is. 65:17 “For, behold, I create new heavens, (Gods Churches) and a new earth, (new society) and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
Most people believe this verse, and the one in,
2 Peter 3:10 “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
Is saying, God will destroy the whole planet Earth and heaven too. That is not the case. Look at the next verse.
v. 7 “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
Heavens is a metaphor for places of religious authority, man made religion; and how many religions do we have on earth? God’s heaven is thee place of all authority. Reserved unto fire against the day of judgment, until the day of his wrath; that day is not very far off. Fire simply emphasizes total destruction, the same as perdition, destruction of ungodly men.
v. 11 “Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved…”
All what man has build and created will be destroyed, his governments, his societies, his religions, our very way of life, but not the earth itself.
Ecc. 1:4 “One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.”
During Christ’s thousand-year reign, he will remove all rebellion, and opposition, he will remove all sin and evil; and God will bless the earth by removing the curse.
Is. 35:1 “The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose”.
v. 5 “ Then the eyes of the blind shall be open
ed, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.”
Job 33:25 “ His flesh shall be fresher than a child’s; he shall return to the days of his youth”.
All diseases and sicknesses and birth defects will be healed.
Is. 35:6 “Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing; for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.”
v. 7 “And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.”
God will create new living space for the living and for those being resurrected.
v. 8 “And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called the way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those, the wayfaring men, though fools shall not err therein.”
v. 9 “… but the redeemed shall walk there.”
Who are the redeemed? For whom did Jesus die? Did he not die for all mankind? Every man, woman and child have been redeemed, set free from the grave.
Rev. 20:13 “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell (grave) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”
All the dead will be resurrected, whether they died at sea or were buried in the ground.
v. 12 “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”
Twice now we have read, “they were judged according to their works.” Just what does that mean? I thought we are saved by faith?
Rom. 3:20 “Therefore by the deeds of the law (works) there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
v. 21 “But now the righteousness of God without the law (without works) is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.”
v. 22 “Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.”
v. 23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.”
v. 24 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”
There is just one problem; how many people have died never even heard the name Jesus? So, if their works don’t count, and they don’t know Jesus; how can they get their name into the book of life?
Rev. 20:15 “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”.
Paul had asked the same question.
Rom. 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
v. 14 “How then shall they call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?”
Because;
v. 17 “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Rom. 3:28 “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds (works) of the law.”
That is how and when those who never heard the name “Jesus”, and those who rejected him now, will have a chance to get their name into the book of life. That “IS” what the millennium, Christ’s thousand-year reign, is for. That is why obeying the gospel then, is referred to as a highway.
A highway is very wide, compared to the narrow path the saints had to look for. What this means is: that no one has to guess or wonder whom, or what to believe. God will open the minds of all people and understanding the truth will be much easier. Jesus redeemed all of us, finding the way of holiness will be no problem, but the only way we achieve holiness, is to keep walking, to walk on this highway, which is not a real highway, means, to strive to overcome sin. You will be given plenty of time, if you refuse to go on, you perish! All will be given a hundred years to learn God’s way; it does not matter who or what you are, or what you did; you ask God to forgive you, you will be forgiven.
Rev. 21:7 “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
v. 8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
That of course is referring to all those that have in this lifetime, committed such heinous crimes, that they feel they cannot possibly be forgiven, or don’t deserve to be forgiven, or too ashamed to ask for forgiveness. Only when you confess your sins, and overcome them, will you inherit all things, eternal life.
Is. 65:20 (from the N I V Bible)
“ Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed”.
What this is saying is; it does not matter whether you will be resurrected as a child or as an old man, the time given to either is the same. Hear what Peter has to say,
Acts 3:23 “ And it shall come to pass, every soul, which will not hear that prophet (Jesus), shall be destroyed from among the people”.
It will not be a matter of cannot hear, understand, it will be a matter of will not hear. And that is exactly what the last “ day of the Lord “ pictures’,
Mal. 4:1 “ For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of host, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch”.
Rev. 20:15 “ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”. (Destroyed for ever)
There will also be one last test for all mankind, a test of loyalty to the Father and the Son,
Rev. 20:7 “ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison”.
v. 8 “ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Ma’gog, to gather them together to battle; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea”.
v. 9 “ And they went up on the breath of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city; and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them”. (everlasting destruction)
Satan will get to watch it all, and then be thrown into the lake of fire himself.
1 Cor. 15:26 “ The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death”.
Death is a condition, and can only be destroyed if he that causes that condition is destroyed, Satan.
Heb. 2:14 “… that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil”.
1 Cor. 15:28 “ And when all things shall be subdued unto him, (the Son) then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (the Father) that put all things under him, that God may be all in all”.
Rev. 21:1 “ And I saw a new heaven (God’s Kingdom) and a new earth (new society) for the first (former) heaven (worldly religions) and the first (former) earth
(Societies) were passed away; and there was no more sea (nations)”.
God’s Kingdom will be One World Ruling Government with Jesus as the righteous Ruler. He will build new societies, ways of living only few of us have dreamed about. No more Doctor, no more Lawyers, no more Police, no more crime, no more disease and no more death, no more divided nation, because we will all be one Nation under God, where did you hear that before?
V. 3 “ And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall
be with them, and be their God”.
This then, is Paradise restored; and no one can even begin to imagine what it’s going to be like.
Can you think of a place you would rather be?Peace and Love Mrs.
There is alot of information in this article and i hope somebody is going to say something about it.
Peace and Love Mrs.Quote God’s Kingdom will be One World Ruling Government with Jesus as the righteous Ruler. He will build new societies, ways of living only few of us have dreamed about. No more Doctor, no more Lawyers, no more Police, no more crime, no more disease and no more death, no more divided nation, because we will all be one Nation under God, where did you hear that before? One nation under God with justice and liberty for all!
Will some be confused when the Antichrist unites the world and brings peace?
How are we to know if this is the Antichrist or the real Christ?
Those led by the Spirit will know while “book” Christians will be fooled; Mat 24:24.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 11 2007,18:52) There is alot of information in this article and i hope somebody is going to say something about it.
Peace and Love Mrs.
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Your most recent post previous speaks of three different tribulation periods. None of them have benn completed. They all point to the LAST GREAT DAY of the final end.Also THE DAY OF YHWH (the LORD), is known among belivers to be YHWH's feast called “THE LAST GREAT DAY.” This feast is in the fall after TABERNACLES, DAY OF AT-ONE-MENT and TRUMPETS!!!
To Ken:
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.Now you know the rest of the story. I myself WILL not be asleep when that great and awesome Day of YHWH comes for I am one of those “children of the light.” That Day will not come upon Me as a theif. He is in Me and I in Him. His Ways are revealed to Me.
You can see I have capitalized Me, because He is in Me, and I am not of myself.
If you think every person on the planet will be suprized at His coming, study diligently and “see” that is a false doctrine of men.
Plainly Scripture says, “As to the times and Seasons you do not have to be written to.
Because the times and seasons written of here teach His people when the end shall be so that they are not in darkness. They are taught all over in Scripture and take up much space!
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