THE MAN OF PERDITION; WHO IS HE?

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Thanks ED, just having a look..

what would you like me to notice should notice??

March 15, 2012 at 12:18 am#284952

Ed J

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Quote (charity @ Mar. 15 2012,11:08)

Thanks ED, just having a look..

what would you like me to notice should notice??

Hi Charity,

I ask, because you said something similar to what she said in this thread.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 15, 2012 at 1:24 am#284971

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never seen her or read any of work sir!…

she perhaps needs to dig deeper to…A Magisstrate is not the preserver of truth, its the authority that choses the strongest defence!

DONT jUST DO SOMETHING …STAND THERE GIRL!!!

LOL

March 15, 2012 at 11:16 am#285063

Pastry

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Three and a half years = 1260 days = 1260 years, a year for a day; that is how long Antichrist has reigned. he is now only influencing superstitious people.

Hi Georg,

I don't buy it, sorry.

You are saying after Satan was defeated by our Lord Jesus Christ, he still reigned for 1260 years. And then he started influencing (superstitious people). So according to Georg we are all superstitious.

The biggest problem with your doctrine here is that after Christ's Resurrection, Satan was toothless, not 1260 years later, but right then. The most powerful Church ever, came just after Pentecost.

Christ didn't almost defeat satan.

God took back what was His, US

Now satan is just a tool, to be used by our God for correction and testing.

And satan will be here, trying to get to us, until he(satan) is put in the pit by our God.

God Bless
Marlin

I'm not selling anything, so put your credit card away.

Jesus, by defeating death, by defeating sin, has qualified to be our savior and king; but he is not ruling yet.
When he begins to rule, he will first put away Satan for the duration of his reign,1000 years.

If you think Satan is toothless, look around, have you noticed how many different religions there are?

How many denomination are there within the so called “Christian” churches?

If you think that Christ took “US” back, then why are there so many opinions right here on this forum alone; does not every body claim he is let by the Holy Spirit?
Do you think the Holy Spirit has this many opinions?

If you are not superstitious, then you are not Catholic; ask a Catholic what they think about the pope.

Georg

March 15, 2012 at 11:51 am#285067

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math… “running away” from the set up of the problem has created time an distance to the solution.

subtract… obedience add disobedience an divide it by comin-sence it should equal things were meant to be fixed when Jesus was walked the earth!!

March 15, 2012 at 2:10 pm#285069

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Quote (Pastry @ Mar. 15 2012,04:42)

wakeup

By answering correctly.

Rev. 13 speaks of two beasts, the Roman government, and of the Antichrist, the beast out of the earth (from the people).
He is also addressed as appearing as the lamb with two horns, and referred to as the image of the beast (Rome).

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

And he (Antichrist) excerciseth all the power of the first beast (Rome) before him.
And causeth the earth (people) and them which dwell therein (Roman empire) to worship the first beast (Rome), whose deadly wound was healed.

The deadly wound was healed in 553 AD; Antichrist assumed power in 565 AD.
In other words, Antichrist had gained power and great influence with the Roman Emperors, but, the Emperor was still in command, and Antichrist made sure people would not forget that.

Rev. 13:5 is speaking of Antichrist after he assumed power.

Three and a half years = 1260 days = 1260 years, a year for a day; that is how long Antichrist has reigned. he is now only influencing superstitious people.

Georg

Georg,

> The spirit of Antichrist was already at work in Pauls time. Was it “toothless” then also? But if toothless, how could it work it's work? For Paul stated it already held sway over Christians who denied the resurrection & non believers alike. That certainly is not toothless.

> Antichrist is nothing more than the spirit within those who deny Jesus. It is not an individual per se, but that which inhabits individuals en masse.

> This wicked man yet to appear, whom you seem to link with this antichrist condition, this wicked man is the False Prophet to come…an individual NOT a condition, this man will emerge & then rule for a total of 2300 days…that's 6.4 years. (Daniel 8:14)

> The “missing time” (8 mths to make up the 7 years, two lots of 3.6 yrs) is his rise to power (“political” campaign) where he speaks his marvelous words wowing the peoples of the world…the “great delusion”…

> Even though you persist with 565ad etc doctrine, it still doesn't make it right. For God declares that immediately after the False Prophets allotted time is up, he will be destroyed by Jesus at His 2nd coming..which, if we go by your framework, it can only mean that the 2nd coming has already passed, but we all know, even unbelievers know, that it hasn't!!

> By saying that this wicked one still lingers on even after his time allotment has expired, is just not biblical & severely contradicts the plain declarations in scripture concerning his rise to power, the time frame in which he arises, his deeds during this period, right up to his demise at the 2nd coming of Jesus. There just isn't any lingering or toothlessness as your doctrine says that can be justified scripturally. So it must needs be invented, but that is not biblical already.

> You should drop this doctrine you have adopted, and do your own seeking. That is the commandment from our Lord Georg. Not letting other men form your opinions for you, that is very dangerous ground to stand upon to say the least. All of which you speak testifies to that truth plainly. Listen to the Lord Georg, come out of that rebellious daughter you join yourself with before the doors shut tight against you.

March 15, 2012 at 5:00 pm#285078

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Hi Georg,

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I'm not selling anything, so put your credit card away.

Thanks for this, it put a smile on my face.

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Jesus, by defeating death, by defeating sin, has qualified to be our savior and king; but he is not ruling yet.

In this statement you are right and wrong. You are right that He hasn't come and received His kingdom in person. You are wrong about Him ruling. He rules in the heart of His believers.

Israel was told to go and take the promise land. Most of them were afraid and said NO. And they died in the wilderness.

Spiritual Israel (Christians) were told to go and take the promise land. (SIN). Again most said NO, Satan is to powerful and most will die in the wilderness(Their own mind).

Many Many MANY are CALLED, but FEW are Chosen. Few have the courage to stand up to satan and let God. ONLY to a true Christian satan is toothless.

For even if He (God) slays me, yet will I LOVE HIM.

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How many denomination are there within the so called “Christian” churches?

If you are not superstitious, then you are not Catholic; ask a Catholic what they think about the pope.

Many said they had the truth to Moses too, yet they lied.
God only has ONE Truth, ALL other ideas are of the evil one, satan.
And you can only get His truth by His provided way.

God Bless
Marlin

March 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm#285085

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2Thess.2:3

2Th 2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
2Th 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
Eph 5:7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
Eph 5:8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light
Eph 5:9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)

Mk 13:5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Mk 13:6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.

the above scriptures seems to describe more Muhammad than the Pope,

now;

2Ti 2:16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
2Ti 2:17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
2Ti 2:18 who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
2Ti 2:20 In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble.
2Ti 2:21 If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.

this is more like the Antichrist coming out of the truth

1JN 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
1JN 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1JN 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2JN 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

having your own interpretation of Gods word ,is one thing,lost Christians

telling that you are the only and last true prophet of God is another;Muhammad and bring violence with it

Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.
Rev 13:12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
Rev 13:13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.
Rev 13:14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
Rev 13:15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
Rev 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
Rev 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.

look at history ,and see that it says in the Koran that you can not reject Allah

this is what I can see now.

March 15, 2012 at 7:34 pm#285115

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2Thess.2:3

Mk 13:5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Mk 13:6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.

the above scriptures seems to describe more Muhammad than the Pope,

now;

this is more like the Antichrist coming out of the truth

having your own interpretation of Gods word ,is one thing,lost Christians

telling that you are the only and last true prophet of God is another;Muhammad and bring violence with it

look at history ,and see that it says in the Koran that you can not reject Allah

this is what I can see now.

Hi T,

I don't believe it will be anybody outside of Christian.
This will be so close to the truth that it would deceive the very elect, if it were possible.

This deception will not come from outside, it will come from INSIDE the Church.

MATTHEW 24:24 † For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

That is the way I see it.

God Bless
Marlin

March 15, 2012 at 7:41 pm#285116

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Mar. 16 2012,13:34)

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2Thess.2:3

Mk 13:5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Mk 13:6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.

the above scriptures seems to describe more Muhammad than the Pope,

now;

this is more like the Antichrist coming out of the truth

having your own interpretation of Gods word ,is one thing,lost Christians

telling that you are the only and last true prophet of God is another;Muhammad and bring violence with it

look at history ,and see that it says in the Koran that you can not reject Allah

this is what I can see now.

Hi T,

I don't believe it will be anybody outside of Christian.
This will be so close to the truth that it would deceive the very elect, if it were possible.

This deception will not come from outside, it will come from INSIDE the Church.

MATTHEW 24:24 † For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

That is the way I see it.

God Bless
Marlin

what is a deception is it a false believe ???if so we would be all guilty ,

the deception is the devil,taking us (true believers )away from believing in the truth of God

just like he did with Eve

March 15, 2012 at 9:57 pm#285137

Wakeup

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Mar. 16 2012,06:34)

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2Thess.2:3

Mk 13:5 Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Mk 13:6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.

the above scriptures seems to describe more Muhammad than the Pope,

now;

this is more like the Antichrist coming out of the truth

having your own interpretation of Gods word ,is one thing,lost Christians

telling that you are the only and last true prophet of God is another;Muhammad and bring violence with it

look at history ,and see that it says in the Koran that you can not reject Allah

this is what I can see now.

Hi T,

I don't believe it will be anybody outside of Christian.
This will be so close to the truth that it would deceive the very elect, if it were possible.

This deception will not come from outside, it will come from INSIDE the Church.

MATTHEW 24:24 † For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

That is the way I see it.

God Bless
Marlin

Marlin1.

This is true:
1John2:19. They went out from -US-,but they were not of us: for if they had been of us they would no doubt have –CONTINUED– with us: but they went out,that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

wakeup.

March 15, 2012 at 11:03 pm#285150

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Hi T,

I don't believe it will be anybody outside of Christian.
This will be so close to the truth that it would deceive the very elect, if it were possible.

This deception will not come from outside, it will come from INSIDE the Church.

MATTHEW 24:24 † For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

That is the way I see it.

God Bless
Marlin

you are answering another question ,with MATTHEW 24:24 † For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

this is not related to the Antichrist or do you think that the beast in revelation 13 coming out of the earth is also the Antichrist and the false prophet and then that Babylon the great all of them are one and single thing ????

March 15, 2012 at 11:14 pm#285152

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what is a deception is it a false believe ???if so we would be all guilty ,

the deception is the devil,taking us (true believers )away from believing in the truth of God

just like he did with Eve

Amen T, That is exactly what it is, that Anti-Christ Spirit. And it will continue until the end.

God Bless
Marlin

March 15, 2012 at 11:22 pm#285155

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I am not sure what you are asking.
Anti-Christ Spirit was here when Jesus Christ walked on the earth.

It is the devil and his spirits. The devil will become incarnate in the false Prophet. And this will be a very religious person.

A pagan religion would not deceive many Christians. False Christ, False Anointed ones.

Does that answer your question?

God Bless
Marlin

March 15, 2012 at 11:47 pm#285158

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I am not sure what you are asking.
Anti-Christ Spirit was here when Jesus Christ walked on the earth.

It is the devil and his spirits. The devil will become incarnate in the false Prophet. And this will be a very religious person.

A pagan religion would not deceive many Christians. False Christ, False Anointed ones.

Does that answer your question?

God Bless
Marlin

let see Satan his(the producer of ) the spirit of the world so what is it does to the true believers ?

2Pe 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2Pe 2:2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2Pe 2:3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

so by this we know that the false teachers just like the old prophets in Israel of old;

but who his the beast in revelation 13;to me it looks like Islam ;two horns Shi ith and Sunni they have a false prophet called Muhammad and who an image from the 6 head what is Rome at a time were it was weak 7 century

the beast and the false prophet seems to be the same one is the power one is the false religion

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It is the devil and his spirits

Satan is real and so are his demons and his one third of fallen angels,
but what is more to understand is that Satan stands for opposition to God so this is the key spirit of it all ,

what ever is against God is from Satan and his assistants

so what we true christian fighting is not men but the ideas or thoughts (spirits) that are taking us away from God and then will drag us into sin against our God ,just like Eve and many others,

so a false prophet is a substitute for the true prophet just as a false god is a substitute for the true God

March 15, 2012 at 11:59 pm#285159

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Satan is real and so are his demons and his one third of fallen angels,
but what is more to understand is that Satan stands for opposition to God so this is the key spirit of it all ,

what ever is against God is from Satan and his assistants

so what we true christian fighting is not men but the ideas or thoughts (spirits) that are taking us away from God and then will drag us into sin against our God ,just like Eve and many others,

so a false prophet is a substitute for the true prophet just as a false god is a substitute for the true God

In this T, we agree.

One thing to keep in mind is this. With Eve, it was only one word changed. It will be the same today. The teaching will be almost exact, off only a little bit.

It will be from a so called Christian.

God Bless
Marlin

March 16, 2012 at 10:47 am#285330

Pastry

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I am not sure what you are asking.
Anti-Christ Spirit was here when Jesus Christ walked on the earth.

It is the devil and his spirits. The devil will become incarnate in the false Prophet. And this will be a very religious person.

A pagan religion would not deceive many Christians. False Christ, False Anointed ones.

Does that answer your question?

God Bless
Marlin

Why doesn't some one tell me were the idea of the false prophet will come and rule, or that the devil will become incarnate in the false prophet, comes from?

Georg

March 16, 2012 at 11:51 am#285338

Ed J

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Quote (Pastry @ Mar. 16 2012,21:47)

Why doesn't some one tell me were the idea of the false prophet will come and rule,
or that the devil will become incarnate in the false prophet, comes from?

Georg

Hi Georg, it all comes from the systems of religion.

The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

March 16, 2012 at 12:09 pm#285341