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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:29) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,05:28) EdJ. (2)Why dont you just say; The assyrian is satan.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,2) Because 'The Assyrian' represents the physical arm, see Rev.13:1-3.
God bless
Ed J
EdJ.Agree with 2.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Great, now we have a starting point!
Now please explain (in light of our agreement)
just exactly how you can believe Lucifer is no more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:38) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:31) 1. Not too convincing, are we?
EdJ.So far nothing has convinced you.
You are drunken with shoebats wine.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Resorting to insults is illustrative of a weak position
and shows an unsavory spirit behind the slander.Just so you know.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:29) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,05:28) EdJ. (2)Why dont you just say; The assyrian is satan.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,2) Because 'The Assyrian' represents the physical arm, see Rev.13:1-3.
God bless
Ed J
EdJ.Agree with 2.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Great, now we have a starting point!
Now please explain (in light of our agreement)
just exactly how you can believe Lucifer is no more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:59) EdJ. The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“The son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess 2:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:38) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:31) 1. Not too convincing, are we?
EdJ.So far nothing has convinced you.
You are drunken with shoebats wine.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Resorting to insults is illustrative of a weak position
and shows an unsavory spirit behind the slander.Just so you know.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Strong words sometimes,but not insult.
Sorry if you feel insulted,not ment to be personal.
Insult to the doctrine of lies.We are still brothers.
Weakness comes from not knowing the scriptures.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,07:20) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:38) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:31) 1. Not too convincing, are we?
EdJ.So far nothing has convinced you.
You are drunken with shoebats wine.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Resorting to insults is illustrative of a weak position
and shows an unsavory spirit behind the slander.Just so you know.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Strong words sometimes,but not insult.
Sorry if you feel insulted,not ment to be personal.
Insult to the doctrine of lies.We are still brothers.
Weakness comes from not knowing the scriptures.wakeup.
No, that's blindness.Weakness is the inability to explain the truth.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,07:20) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:38) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:31) 1. Not too convincing, are we?
EdJ.So far nothing has convinced you.
You are drunken with shoebats wine.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Resorting to insults is illustrative of a weak position
and shows an unsavory spirit behind the slander.Just so you know.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Strong words sometimes,but not insult.
Sorry if you feel insulted,not ment to be personal.
Insult to the doctrine of lies.We are still brothers.
Weakness comes from not knowing the scriptures.wakeup.
No, that's blindness.Weakness is the inability to explain the truth.
EDJ.The truth is in the scriptures.
You must seek; not me seek for anyone.
Me can guide only.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,07:42) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,07:20) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:38) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,06:31) 1. Not too convincing, are we?
EdJ.So far nothing has convinced you.
You are drunken with shoebats wine.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Resorting to insults is illustrative of a weak position
and shows an unsavory spirit behind the slander.Just so you know.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Strong words sometimes,but not insult.
Sorry if you feel insulted,not ment to be personal.
Insult to the doctrine of lies.We are still brothers.
Weakness comes from not knowing the scriptures.wakeup.
No, that's blindness.Weakness is the inability to explain the truth.
EDJ.The truth is in the scriptures.
You must seek; not me seek for anyone.
Me can guide only.wakeup.
Glad you admit your weakness! (your inability to explain the truth.)Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,07:56) EDJ> Are we going to discus prophesies?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Yes,
Are YOU going to:
1. Answer questions of concern and
2. Explain why you come to certain conclusions?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:59) EdJ. The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“The son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess 2:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, if you knew anything about the history of the Roman Catholic church, you would know that this verse (2 Thes. 2:3,4) is talking about the Pope.Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 13 2012,14:46) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:59) EdJ. The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“The son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess 2:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, if you knew anything about the history of the Roman Catholic church, you would know that this verse (2 Thes. 2:3,4) is talking about the Pope.
Pastry.I Know that the pope never called himself God.
The catholics pray also to Jesus and God, as far as I know,and celebrate chistmas,and easter.If you read 2thess carefully you will notice that the coming of Christ will not be, untill there must be a falling away first.The christian world will fall away.
THEN;only THEN, the son of perdition WILL BE REVEALED.not before the falling away.Verse 4. Who opposeth and exalted HIMSELF(the one man) above ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD OR THAT IS WORSHIPPED; so that HE(one man) as God sit in the temple of God.(the world will worship him as God).
Not just the catholics,but the world.The HE,is not many,just the one.and he only will be revealed before the coming, and his rule will be short.
Just 3and half years.(this can not be the pope).v.6. He will be revealed in his time only.(just before the coming).
v.9. His coming is after the working of satan with ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS.
Great miracles,such as making fire come down from heaven.(rev.13:13).
None of the popes has ever manage to do this.The false prophet(son of perdition)will have the whole world to worship him by enforcing the number.
No number;no buy, no sell, no imports or export.The pope does not fit in this prophesy.
wakeup.
Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 13 2012,14:46) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:59) EdJ. The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“The son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess 2:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, if you knew anything about the history of the Roman Catholic church, you would know that this verse (2 Thes. 2:3,4) is talking about the Pope.
Which?Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2012,22:46) wup Quote The pope does not fit in this prophesy. try constantine
Terra.Rev.19:20. — and the beast was taken, AND WITH HIM THE FALSE PROPHET—-(at the coming).(second coming).
Constantine will not be here at the coming.Mohamad,
will not be here at the coming.The last pope will be here,but he will not be the false prophet.Because the false prophet will not have any religion,but himself.ALL MUST WORSHIP HIM.not mary,or Joseph,or st antony or what else.
Constantine did not have a short rule(3/half years).His rule is much longer than that.
Sorry,wont fit in.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:59) EdJ. The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“The son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess 2:3-4)God bless
Ed J
Hi Wakeup, (Link)“Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am God,
I sit in the seat of God (See 2Thess.2:3-4), in the midst of the seas; yet
thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:” (Ezek 28:2)“Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God?
but thou shalt be a man (See Isaiah 14:16), and no God,
in the hand of (Ed J) him that slayeth thee.” (Ezek 28:9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,01:10) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:59) EdJ. The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“The son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess 2:3-4)God bless
Ed J
Hi Wakeup, (Link)“Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am God,
I sit in the seat of God (See 2Thess.2:3-4), in the midst of the seas; yet
thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:” (Ezek 28:2)“Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God?
but thou shalt be a man (See Isaiah 14:16), and no God,
in the hand of (Ed J) him that slayeth thee.” (Ezek 28:9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ,are you serious? you will slay satan?
Thats Jesus job you are claiming.
Put away that bottle.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,01:10) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:59) EdJ. The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“The son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess 2:3-4)God bless
Ed J
Hi Wakeup, (Link)“Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am God,
I sit in the seat of God (See 2Thess.2:3-4), in the midst of the seas; yet
thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:” (Ezek 28:2)“Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God?
but thou shalt be a man (See Isaiah 14:16), and no God,
in the hand of (Ed J) him that slayeth thee.” (Ezek 28:9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdYou are right on when you say that the 8th is the Ottoman Empire. It was the 7th beast and that empire was abolished in 1924.
I think what most are missing is the fact that the same thread runs through the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation. When did all the trouble begin? With Abraham and his two sons! Isaac was the heir to the promise and Ishmael had 12 sons and became a great nation (the Arabs) Then it continues with Jacob and Esau. Jacob got the inheritance and Esau married Canaanite women and the daughters of his uncle Ishmael, thereby joining himself to the Arab nation. The fight continues to this day and will till the end.
Also, when John was given his revelation he was looking at HIS WORLD AT THE TIME and it didn't include the United States. The United States is NOT in prophecy! His world was the Middle East. Where is Jerusalem? In the Middle East! The Ottoman Empire hadn't come yet! What spiritual city is in direct opposition to Jerusalem? Mecca! The 10 kings will be Arabs/Muslims.
Rev.17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition; and the dwellers on earth WHOSE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE from the foundation of the world, will marvel to behold the beast, because it was, and is not, and is to come.
What this scripture is saying is the ones who will be enamored by the beast are the ones whose names are NOT written in the book of life, TRUE believers in Yeshua as their Messiah, whose names are written in the book of life, won't be so enamored obviously, as scripture also tells us that saints will be martyred. Obviously, from this scripture also, it can't be the Roman Empire revived as it distinctly says it “is not”. Rome was the empire at the time of John's vision so it can't possibly be the Roman Empire!
Even though the Catholics teach many false doctrines, they still preach Yeshua is the Messiah. The Pope can't be the false prophet or anyone that teaches that Yeshua is Messiah.
Babylon was moved by Constantine to Istanbul Turkey, and it is still there, Magog and Gog are in Turkey (the descendants of Noah set up their territories in Turkey where the arc landed) Who was the son of Noah's son Ham? Nimrod! Babylon is religious, political and territorial. You are right the king of the north will come from Turkey not Europe.
Also, the Muslims are looking for their “Messiah” to come. We know that Yeshua is the son of GOD, we know he is GOD come in the flesh. The Muslims however, don't believe that Yeshua is Messiah. Whoever comes and tells them he is God, they will believe he is! When you look at what is going on today in the Middle East it is easy to see that all is being set up for that time when he comes to power. Besides, the number of Muslims is growing at an alarming rate, they will over take the Christians in number easily very soon.
People need to stop looking at the branches and look at the root. It began with 2 brothers, Isaac and Ishmael and it will end with the descendants of these same 2 brothers!
Shalom,
AnnieQuote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,04:53) Hi Ed You are right on when you say that the 8th is the Ottoman Empire. It was the 7th beast and that empire was abolished in 1924.
Shalom,
Annie
Hi Annie,The seventh empire was the Ottoman Empire, the Eighth
Empire (which we are in now) is Muhammadin Isalm.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (annie @ Sep. 16 2012,04:53) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,01:10) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,06:59) EdJ. The anointed cherub is no more,he has fallen:
He is now a fallen angel,a rebeller called satan.
The light has gone out, and has turned into darkness.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“The son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess 2:3-4)God bless
Ed J
Hi Wakeup, (Link)“Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am God,
I sit in the seat of God (See 2Thess.2:3-4), in the midst of the seas; yet
thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:” (Ezek 28:2)“Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God?
but thou shalt be a man (See Isaiah 14:16), and no God,
in the hand of (Ed J) him that slayeth thee.” (Ezek 28:9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi EdYou are right on when you say that the 8th is the Ottoman Empire. It was the 7th beast and that empire was abolished in 1924.
I think what most are missing is the fact that the same thread runs through the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation. When did all the trouble begin? With Abraham and his two sons! Isaac was the heir to the promise and Ishmael had 12 sons and became a great nation (the Arabs) Then it continues with Jacob and Esau. Jacob got the inheritance and Esau married Canaanite women and the daughters of his uncle Ishmael, thereby joining himself to the Arab nation. The fight continues to this day and will till the end.
Also, when John was given his revelation he was looking at HIS WORLD AT THE TIME and it didn't include the United States. The United States is NOT in prophecy! His world was the Middle East. Where is Jerusalem? In the Middle East! The Ottoman Empire hadn't come yet! What spiritual city is in direct opposition to Jerusalem? Mecca! The 10 kings will be Arabs/Muslims.
Rev.17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition; and the dwellers on earth WHOSE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE from the foundation of the world, will marvel to behold the beast, because it was, and is not, and is to come.
What this scripture is saying is the ones who will be enamored by the beast are the ones whose names are NOT written in the book of life, TRUE believers in Yeshua as their Messiah, whose names are written in the book of life, won't be so enamored obviously, as scripture also tells us that saints will be martyred. Obviously, from this scripture also, it can't be the Roman Empire revived as it distinctly says it “is not”. Rome was the empire at the time of John's vision so it can't possibly be the Roman Empire!
Even though the Catholics teach many false doctrines, they still preach Yeshua is the Messiah. The Pope can't be the false prophet or anyone that teaches that Yeshua is Messiah.
Babylon was moved by Constantine to Istanbul Turkey, and it is still there, Magog and Gog are in Turkey (the descendants of Noah set up their territories in Turkey where the arc landed) Who was the son of Noah's son Ham? Nimrod! Babylon is religious, political and territorial. You are right the king of the north will come from Turkey not Europe.
Also, the Muslims are looking for their “Messiah” to come. We know that Yeshua is the son of GOD, we know he is GOD come in the flesh. The Muslims however, don't believe that Yeshua is Messiah. Whoever comes and tells them he is God, they will believe he is! When you look at what is going on today in the Middle East it is easy to see that all is being set up for that time when he comes to power. Besides, the number of Muslims is growing at an alarming rate, they will over take the Christians in number easily very soon.
People need to stop looking at the branches and look at the root. It began with 2 brothers, Isaac and Ishmael and it will end with the descendants of these same 2 brothers!
Shalom,
Annie
Annie.The 8th empire can never be the ottoman empire.
The ottoman empire is no more an empire.Even the mohamadin.
The 8th EMPIRE will make war with the Lamb at his coming.That only means that the 8th EMPIRE will be in existence at the coming.
There is no muslem empire in existence today,there is no muslem super power today. true/false.The kings of the north is europe.(north of israel).
Gods prophesy regarding Ishmael:
And he will be a WILD man;and his hand will be against
every man(true) and every mans hand against him(true); and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren(true).This only means that he will never be organised.
The world will never be in submission to the muslems.Not the uk.,not ireland, not america,not china,not russia,india,not south america,not japan,not north and south korea,not canada,not italy,greece,spain,portugal,france,sweden norway,finland,holland,switserland,the eastern block nations,philipines,australia,argentina and more.
Tell me the muslem kingdoms, which are warring each other, disorganised. The world monetary system is in the hands of muslems? And they are going to take control of all these great kingdoms? with what power? They have no money, and here is the power, MONEY.
The economy is in the hands of europe and america,the muslems are only receiving hand outs,they have no great ecomomy.Why are they coming into our country?
Because they can live in luxury in the west.We need to open our eyes and watch what is going on in this world today,the whole world is in the hands of the west. If the west sneezes,the world will catch a cold.
wakeup.
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