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Tuesday, September 12, 2006
Bavarian pope entrusts Germany to lead Europe, others wary of the Grand Inquisitor
German President Horst Koehler blasphemed, “Holy Father, welcome home, welcome home to Germany” and Bavarian Minister-President Edmund Stoiber of the Christian Social Union Party proffered “the Christian roots of Bavaria are strong and full of energy,” music to the ears of the Bavarian Pope Benedict XVI ready to inspire Germany to have Europe follow their lead in a danse macabre.The “holy Roman” arrived in Munich to galvanize the underground forces ready to spring into action to revive the empire of the German Nation, all allegedly in service to Europa – a damsel in distress – and in pagan devotion to “Mary” (in whose square they convened, before St. Mary's Column, a bizarre confluence of Bavarian, German and Roman ambitions). According to the views of such “warriors,” the two-headed dragon of Islam and secularism must be slain for “Christian Western Civilization” to survive and Germany is again being called upon to wield the necessary sword as “The Defender of the [Catholic] Faith.”
Germany might find it providential that they're in the heart of Europe and have seen more of their sons rise to emperor status than all others combined. Stoiber thanked the pope for addressing issues that confront the modern world, “in warning when Christian values and human dignity threatened to be overcome by the spirit of the times.” Stoiber clearly struck a chord with the audience and received the most thunderous applause when he chimed, “It moves us deeply in our souls when the head of the Roman Catholic Church says, 'My heart beats Bavarian.'”
Will Europe soon feel two hearts (Church and State) beat as one? Is not this Bavarian pope's visit to Germany a media blitz to move Europe to find meaning and shelter under the cross to ward away the evil of Islam and awaken them to the dead end of secularism? Will Germany challenge the continent to remember their roots, going on offensive against those liberals who have made moot, as much as possible, professing Christian influence as exposed in the present preamble to the EU Constitution? Hasn't the pope issued the call for this new crusade, ignited in Bavaria, to gain momentum throughout Germany and spread across Europe?
“At decisive moments throughout their history, the Bavarian people have always confirmed their sincere devotion to the see of Peter and their firm attachment to the Catholic faith.”
The pope summoned and invoked “all my compatriots in Bavaria and throughout Germany will play an active part in the transmission of the fundamental values of the Christian faith to the citizens of tomorrow.”
The Bavarian pope acknowledged, “The relations between Bavaria and the Holy See, notwithstanding some moments of tension, have always been marked by warm, cordial respect.” A reference to those who opposed granting then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, an honorary citizenship of Munich to mark his years there as archbishop, stating “We don't need a Grand Inquisitor,” referring to his nickname as the strict enforcer of church doctrine.
Now that Germany and Europe are at a historic crossroads, a decisive moment, will such protests be a thing of the past and prove too unpopular, even dangerous, as Germany prepares to take the EU bull by the horns and the crowds get whipped up?
David Ben-Ariel is a Christian-Zionist writer and author of Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall. With a focus on the Middle East and Jerusalem, his analytical articles help others improve their understanding of that troubled region. Check out the Beyond Babylon blog.
posted by David Ben-Ariel at 7:36 PMAs 2007 fast approaches, with Germany in command of the rotating presidency of the European Union for the first half of the year, Germany is setting the stage to perform thunderous acts and stun their audience with lightning speed and awesome ability.
The German accelerant to European unification will seize the moment and ignite the imagination to consolidate the continent in their no-nonsense manner, getting down to business and wasting no time, serious that the Islamo-fascist threat targets Rome and Vienna – “Western Christian Civilization” – and that only the cross can repel the crescent. Germany will invoke and wield assistance from both industrialists and politicians, ministers of state and religion, especially the Vatican who champions Germany as the “Defender of the Faith.”
Offering a stark glimpse of where Germany will lead Europe, the world's most powerful woman (according to Forbes), Angela Merkel, following a private meeting with the Bavarian pope – weighed in:
“We spoke about the role of Europe and I emphasised the need for a constitution and that it should refer to our Christian values,” she said. “I believe this treaty should be linked to Christianity and God because Christianity was decisive in the formation of Europe.”
Such calculated comments led to charges that Merkel resurrects ‘holy’ EU constitution row, as can be expected, but to her credit she didn't shy away from the controversy or conceal her convictions. However, much more is at stake in the heart of Europe than first meets the eye. The German chancellor's endorsement is only the tip of the iceberg.
Catholic politicians are going on the offensive against secular resistance to mention of Christian heritage in the Preamble of the European Constitutional Treaty with their Association of the Europe Foundation. Giorgio Salina, president of the new organization, states its purpose is to counter the “widespread and manifest hostility that Christian culture — considered a subculture — meets within European institutions, specifically, in Parliament”.
Salina is also the vice president of the Convention of Christians for Europe, who plan on meeting once or twice a year with “deputies, Christians and those sensitive to Christian, national and European values.”
Mario Mauro, vice president of the European Parliament, has stressed the importance of the foundation's mission of building a Christian identity in Europe.
Germany's foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier has revealed that Germany has every intention of making the EU constitution a priority next year, telling German diplomats “We need a constitution as soon as possible.” The heat is on. The politicians have received their marching orders.
We can expect the Bavarian pope and his politico-religious puppets to forge ahead with their plans to remodel Europe after the “holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.” Sound far-fetched? Not at all. Laying the foundation for it in fertile minds, helping to shape public perception and policy, just in time for Germany's ascension to the throne, Germany hosts An Empire Revisited 200 Years After Its Demise. Germany's information services describes it as “two major retrospectives featuring historic documents and artifacts in Berlin and Magdeburg, along with several related exhibits in Frankfurt and other cities, aim to bring this empire back to life 200 years after it was declared dead in Vienna by Kaiser Franz II in the Europe of Napoleon.”
Yet some, failing to connect the dots, or unable to believe that truth is stranger than fiction or Germany capable of backsliding, lament The clothes have no emperor, that Europe “does not, it cannot, seem to speak with one voice: it cannot even agree to speak through one person…to speak collectively with a single voice…the advantages of speaking and acting authoritatively with the collective weight of the world's largest trading bloc are so self-evident and overwhelming …”.
Germany will get down to the brass tacks and prepare the way for the emperor to fill the clothes that yet hang limp. Europe's strong man, with the pope's promotion, will emerge as the grand design demands. However, Europe is not only taking a monumental risk that such a leader will always adhere to its ideals, it is gambling with world peace. Is a world dictator about to appear? Based upon both the Bible and history, I would say, yah.
I posted these blogs that were written by David Ben-Ariel. I found them to be interesting, but as anything, to be taken with a grain of salt. Yet, the influence if Germany and the role she may play in the endtimes just may have some significant points to be aware of. I personally believe that the catholic church was also behind and instigated the rise to power of Germany in the previous World Wars. I believe it to so as well with the last. It is interesting to think that the world, who at one time looked upon Germany as the enemy of the world, may look to her as the saviour of the World from Islam. If you study the role that Germans have played throughout the entire history of the catholic church, which involved the creation of the trinity doctrine, for if I am not mistaken, it was an arian concept, then it is easy to see how this nation just may be the little horn.
I thought the little horn was the resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire.
Some people believe that the Pope or the office of the Pope is the antichrist. It's just a matter of who will be Pope at the appointed time.
I believe the Pope is the false prophet who will give her power to a Jewish leader combining the two religions and thus they will be saying Peace and safety (1Thess 5:1-3).
The New World Order whom is preached against every Sunday as being the beast I believe is a diversion. The Bible is about Jewish people. When the Jews find peace and safety look to a Jewish leader and the Pope to bring peace.
Dear Kenrch,
I believe the little horn is the nation that rises to power and of the ten nations, and removes three nations. The antichrist may come out of this nation. This is all speculation at the moment, but it is very interesting. One thing is certain, I believe the antichrist will be the one who makes the seven year peace treaty with Israel. Of this, there will be no escape. This will reveal him for who he truly is. As for the false prophet, I believe it could be the pope and most likely will be. It will be interesting to see as it unfolds.
Hi,
Is this the promised assault on and destruction of the Whore beginning to unfold?Rev 17
16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”
Rev 18
” 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.”
Hi,
The whore is a human religious organisation that has worldwide tentacles and is based in Rome.
The colors of Red and purple by scriptural standards [see the colours used in constructing the temple]represent man[red] and religion[purple] while there is no blue[God] shown.
She rides on the back of the dragon [Satan].Now, is the Whore the same as Babylon? Some think that it refers to the Roman Catholic Church and then some believe it is speaking of the U.S. I don't think it is speaking of the U.S., but maybe a city within the U.S. What do you think?
Hi H,
Babylon is the source or origin of her evil controlling sorcery. She controls countries and peoples.copied from http://www.lookup.org/mysterybabylon.htm
Could JERUSALEM be Mystery Babylon the Great?
by Sheila Lewis Busby
1) The only references to great city in the Greek are in the Revelation. The first reference definitely refers to Jerusalem “where their Lord was crucified.”
Revelation 11:8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.
Check out the others.
Revelation 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered great Babylon, to make her drain the cup of the fury of his wrath.
Revelation 17:18 And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
Revelation 18:10 they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, “Alas! alas! thou great city, thou mighty city, Babylon! In one hour has thy judgment come.” 16 “Alas, alas, for the great city that was clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, bedecked with gold, with jewels, and with pearls! 18 and cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, “What city was like the great city?” 19 And they threw dust on their heads, as they wept and mourned, crying out, “Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! In one hour she has been laid waste. 21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So shall Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and shall be found no more;
2) Jerusalem is guilty of all of the blood of the righteous, saints, and prophets…
Matthew 23:34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon you may come ALL the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah [A to Z], whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. 37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'” (see also Luke 11:49-51)
while it is Babylon who is found drunk with the blood of the saints, prophets, and all slain upon the earth.
Revelation 17:5 and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations.” 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly.
Revelation 18:21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So shall Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and shall be found no more… 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of ALL who have been slain on earth.”
Revelation 19:2 for his judgments are true and just; he has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”
3) Because of her guilt, Jesus warns Jerusalem of her house being left desolate, and tells His disciples of it's destruction.
Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate. Matthew 24:1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down.”
The disciples first question to Him… WHEN will this [destruction of the temple] occur?
Matthew 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?”
Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is at hand. 21 “Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are in the midst of the city depart, and let not those who are in the country enter the city; 22 because these are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 “Woe to those who are with child and to those who nurse babes in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land, and wrath to this people, 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
I am continually astonished when people view Luke 21:20-24 as a past occurrence. Considering the fact that the preceeding verses as well as the following verses are nearly identical to the accounts in Matthew and Mark, and considering the fact that Dan 11:45 has the Antichrist camped out “between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain” around the time of the beginning of the great trib (see 12:1), and considering Rev 11:2 says the outer court of the temple is given to the nations (Gr. ethnos) who”will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months,” I think it is entirely probable that Jerusalem's desolation is yet future, and she “will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles (Gr. ethnos) until the times of the Gentiles (Gr. ethnos) be fulfilled.”
Could this desolation Jesus warns of be a part of the destruction of Mystery Babylon the Great?… initiated by the abomination of desolation?
4) The Lord, through the prophet Jeremiah, warns “the daughter of Zion”, pictured here as a harlot, and describes her desolation.
Jere 4:27 For thus says the Lord, “The whole land shall be a desolation, Yet I will not execute a complete destruction. 28 “For this the earth shall mourn, And the heavens above be dark, Because I have spoken, I have purposed, And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.” 29 At the sound of the horseman and bowman every city flees; They go into the thickets and climb among the rocks; Every city is forsaken, And no man dwells in them. 30 And you, O desolate one, what will you do? Although you dress in scarlet, Although you decorate [yourself with] ornaments of gold, Although you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you make yourself beautiful; [Your] lovers despise you; They seek your life. 31 For I heard a cry as of a woman in labor, The anguish as of one giving birth to her first child, The cry of the daughter of Zion gasping for breath, Stretching out her hands, [saying,] “Ah, woe is me, for I faint before murderers.”
Compare this account to the description of Mystery Babylon in the Revelation.
Reve 16:19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.. 17:4 And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality… 16 And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.
Could this merely be a coinciden
ce?5) Both Jerusalem and Babylon are destroyed by forces coming from the north.
Jer 1:14 Then the Lord said to me, ” Out of the north the evil will break forth on all the inhabitants of the land. 15 “For, behold, I am calling all the families of the kingdoms of the north ,” declares the Lord; “and they will come, and they will set each one his throne at the entrance of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all its walls round about, and against all the cities of Judah… 7:34 “Then I will make to cease from the cities of Judah and from the streets of Jerusalem the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride; for the land will become a ruin… 26:2 …'Stand in the court of the Lord's house, and speak to all the cities of Judah, who have come to worship [in] the Lord's house… 9 …'This house will be like Shiloh , and this city will be desolate, without inhabitant'
Jer 50:1 The word which the Lord spoke concerning Babylon, the land of the Chaldeans, through Jeremiah the prophet…3 “For a nation has come up against her out of the north ; it will make her land an object of horror, and there will be no inhabitant in it.
6) Jerusalem and Babylon both drink from the cup of the Lord's anger.
Isai 51:17 Rouse yourself! Rouse yourself! Arise, O Jerusalem, You who have drunk from the Lord's hand the cup of His anger; The chalice of reeling you have drained to the dregs.
Reve 16:19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.
7) One angel with a bowl said, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great HARLOT…” (Rev 17:1-19:4.) Immediately after that (Rev 19:5…) the BRIDE is ready! Then in Rev. 21:9…, another angel who had a bowl says “Come, I will show you the BRIDE, the wife of the Lamb…” Is it merely a coincidence that the bride has made herself ready only after (and immediately after) the harlot is judged?
8) Jerusalem is referred to as both a harlot and the Lord's bride.
Isaiah 1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem… 21. How the faithful city has become a harlot, she that was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers. Ezekiel 16:2 “Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations…” (read whole chapter)
Jeremiah 2:2 “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem, Thus says the LORD, I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed me in the wilderness, in a land not sown… 20. “For long ago you broke your yoke and burst your bonds; and you said, 'I will not serve.' Yea, upon every high hill and under every green tree you bowed down as a harlot. (see Jer.3.)
Revelation 21:9…”Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And in the Spirit he carried me away to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem…
9) Just before the 7th trumpet, the two witnesses/prophets are slain in Jerusalem (see Rev. 11:8 above.) Just after the 7th trumpet is sounded, an angel declares, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great…” (Rev. 14:8.) Is it just a coincidence, or are the two events (prophets being slain and Babylon being judged) related, possibly being a fulfillment of Matt. 23:34-35?
Matthew 23:34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon you may come ALL the righteous blood shed on earth…
10) It seems that Jerusalem and New Jerusalem have a lot in common, or perhaps they are one and the same.
Isai 52:1 Awake, awake, Clothe yourself in your strength, O Zion; Clothe yourself in your beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city. For the uncircumcised and the unclean Will no more come into you… 7 How lovely on the mountains Are the feet of him who brings good news… 60:3 “And nations will come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising… 11 “And your gates will be open continually; They will not be closed day or night, So that [men] may bring to you the wealth of the nations, With their kings led in procession.
Nahu 1:15 Behold, on the mountains the feet of him who brings good news, Who announces peace! Celebrate your feasts, O Judah; Pay your vows. For never again will the wicked one pass through you; He is cut off completely.
Reve 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God (Rev 13:6) is among men, and He shall dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be among them… 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God… 24 And the nations shall walk by its light, and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory into it. 25 And in the daytime (for there shall be no night there) its gates shall never be closed; 26 and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it; 27 and nothing unclean and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
It almost seems as if Jerusalem herself is “born-again”!
11) Why have a “New Jerusalem” if the old one is still around?
12) What is the big mystery in “Mystery Babylon” if it really is the same as historical Babylon?
13) Zechariah 14:3-5 describes a day when Jesus goes to fight the enemies of Israel (Armageddon;) the Mount of Olives is split in two (earthquake?) after His feet touch it; and “you shall FLEE …” Could this flight be in response to His command to “Come out of her, my people…” (Rev. 18:4) or “Depart, depart, go out from there” Isa 52:11? Could this earthquake be the same as the earthquake which divides the “great city” into three parts after the pouring out of the seventh bowl (Rev. 16:17-19) which also makes mention of the demise of Babylon?
14) Compare Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18!!!!
I don't really know who Mystery Babylon is. That takes wisdom (Rev. 17:9.) Jerusalem would politically need to become a world capital of sorts (17:18), maybe moving the U.N. there. It would also need to become more of a religious capital (18:9), perhaps moving the Vatican there. Maybe that is how the mother-child worship (thus refering to her as “Babylon”) comes to be included in her harlotries. I can't be sure yet, but I just don't feel comfortable with the other explanations I've heard. Just as there were prophecies of Jesus which were only understood in hind sight (Ps 22:16-18; 34:20; 69:21 etc), my guess is that there are other prophecies in the scriptures (maybe even in Psalms) pertaining to Mystery Babylon which will point to her true identity in time for us to heed the Lord's command in Rev. 18:4 to
“Come out of her!”
1 Peter 5:12-14
12With the help of Silas, whom I regard as a faithful brother, I have written to you briefly, encouraging you and testifying that this is the true grace of God. Stand fast in it. 13She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark. 14Greet one another with a kiss of love. Peace to all of you who are in Christ
Peter is saying he is writing from “Babylon”, well then where is he? Some say Rome based on Catholic tradition. But Peter was the apostle to the Jews. We have alot of reasons to believe he was writing from Jerusalem. Jerusalem has been referred to mystically as egypt and sodom before in scripture.
This was brought up by a catholic on this forum I can't remember his name but he pointed out to me that the city is Jersalem because the city sits on seven (7) mountians.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rome sits on hills and not mountians. Someone said that the hills could be interpreted mountains.
LII. The Seven Metal Mountains and the Elect One.
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l And after those days in that place where I had seen all the visions of that which is hidden -for2
I had been carried off in a whirlwind and they had borne me towards the west -There mine eyes saw all the secret things of heaven that shall be, a mountain of iron, and a mountain of copper, and a mountain of silver, and a mountain of gold, and a mountain of soft metal, and a mountain of lead.
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And I asked the angel who went with me, saying, 'What things are these which I have seen in
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secret?' And he said unto me: 'All these things which thou hast seen shall serve the dominion of His Anointed that he may be potent and mighty on the earth.'
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And that angel of peace answered, saying unto me: 'Wait a little, and there shall be revealed unto thee all the secret things which surround the Lord of Spirits.6
And these mountains which thine eyes have seen,
The mountain of iron, and the mountain of copper, and the mountain of silver,
And the mountain of gold, and the mountain of soft metal, and the mountain of lead,
All these shall be in the presence of the Elect One
As wax: before the fire,
And like the water which streams down from above [upon those mountains],
And they shall become powerless before his feet.7
And it shall come to pass in those days that none shall be saved,
Either by gold or by silver,
And none be able to escape.8
And there shall be no iron for war,
Nor shall one clothe oneself with a breastplate.
Bronze shall be of no service,
And tin [shall be of no service and] shall not be esteemed,
And lead shall not be desired.9
And all these things shall be [denied and] destroyed from the surface of the earth,
When the Elect One shall appear before the face of the Lord of Spirits.'Just more evidence of the influence of Enoch on Christian eschatology. I know your opinion on this Kenrch, I just feel alot of knowledge exist in that book and Christians are kept from it.
I only share Enoch to follow the convictions on my heart not to sew discord among brethern.
Mercy,
Satan always mixes the truth with his lies. So it is no wonder that you may find some truth in the book of Enoch to lure people into deception.
“I had been carried off in a whirlwind and they had borne me towards the west -There mine eyes saw all the secret things of heaven that shall be, a mountain of iron, and a mountain of copper, and a mountain of silver, and a mountain of gold, and a mountain of soft metal, and a mountain of lead”.
..There my eyes saw all the secret things of “heaven” that shall be, a mountian….
How is one to know if this is true? This is not the word of God (John 17:17). The seven mountians in Revelation 17:9 are speaking of the end time not the time of the new earth and heaven. Are they seven “metal” mountians mentioned in the word of God at all?
While everyone is free to read what they want believing that these things are revelations of God kept secret until now should be extra careful and be sure what they spread are true and not deceptions of Satan (James 3:1).
Satan is the master of deception and lies (2 Cor. 11:14). We who are lower than spiritual beings I believe should stick with the Letter that God gave His children (2 Tim.3:16).
If that is the case then Satan can predict the future and can prophecy accurately. That is the case if Enoch is filled with lies and heresy.
Hi mercy,
I can only count 6 mountains.
Catholics would like the 7 hills of Revelation to be elsewhere but Rome for obvious reasons, but historically the city of seven hills is classically Rome.Quote (Mercy @ Oct. 04 2006,20:31) If that is the case then Satan can predict the future and can prophecy accurately. That is the case if Enoch is filled with lies and heresy.
Mercy,
Satan knows the word better than you and any flesh on earth. He knows he has but a short time. Do you think he knows the future. Who wrote the “book” of Enoch. Again the bible (the word of God) says nothing about a “book” of Ehoch. Did Enoch write the book?
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