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Quote (942767 @ April 12 2012,12:25) Hi BD: If the Word of God will not convince you, there is nothing more that I can say to you. I am praying that God will reveal the truth to you.
I love you and desire the best that God has to offer for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The Word of God did convince me. but it hasn't convinced you that:Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.We both believe in God your view is Sacrifice is greater and my view is Mercy is better.
God bless you!
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 13 2012,01:17) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2012,12:25) Hi BD: If the Word of God will not convince you, there is nothing more that I can say to you. I am praying that God will reveal the truth to you.
I love you and desire the best that God has to offer for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The Word of God did convince me. but it hasn't convinced you that:Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.We both believe in God your view is Sacrifice is greater and my view is Mercy is better.
God bless you!
Hos 6:1 “Come, let us return to the LORD.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
Hos 6:2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.
Hos 6:3 Let us acknowledge the LORD?
let us press on to acknowledge him.
As surely as the sun rises,
he will appear;
he will come to us like the winter rains,
like the spring rains that water the earth.”Hos 6:4 “What can I do with you, Ephraim?
What can I do with you, Judah?
Your love is like the morning mist,
like the early dew that disappears.
Hos 6:5 Therefore I cut you in pieces with my prophets,
I killed you with the words of my mouth;
my judgments flashed like lightning upon you.
Hos 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice,
and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
Hos 6:7 Like Adam, they have broken the covenant—
they were unfaithful to me there.
Hos 6:8 Gilead is a city of wicked men,
stained with footprints of blood.
Hos 6:9 As marauders lie in ambush for a man,
so do bands of priests;
they murder on the road to Shechem,
committing shameful crimes.
Hos 6:10 I have seen a horrible thing
in the house of Israel.
There Ephraim is given to prostitution
and Israel is defiled.Hos 6:11 “Also for you, Judah,
a harvest is appointed.“Whenever I would restore the fortunes of my people,
Hos 7:2 but they do not realize
that I remember all their evil deeds.
Their sins engulf them;
they are always before me.Hos 7:3 “They delight the king with their wickedness,
the princes with their lies.
Hos 7:4 They are all adulterers,
burning like an oven
whose fire the baker need not stir
from the kneading of the dough till it risesHos 7:7 All of them are hot as an oven;
they devour their rulers.
All their kings fall,
and none of them calls on me.Hos 7:8 “Ephraim mixes with the nations;
Ephraim is a flat cake not turned over.
Hos 7:9 Foreigners sap his strength,
but he does not realize it.this gives you a better idea
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,18:17) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2012,12:25) Hi BD: If the Word of God will not convince you, there is nothing more that I can say to you. I am praying that God will reveal the truth to you.
I love you and desire the best that God has to offer for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The Word of God did convince me. but it hasn't convinced you that:Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.We both believe in God your view is Sacrifice is greater and my view is Mercy is better.
God bless you!
Hi BD:God does not require a sacrifice from you or I. He Himself has provided the sacrifice for our sins.
If Jesus did not obey God without sin unto death, and was not raised from the dead, there will be no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death, and death means spiritual separation from God. That means that everyone who has died has died in their sins and are spiritually separated from God because all men born of the sperm of man have sinned.
Here is the scripture:
Quote r 15:12 ¶ Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 1Cr 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Cr 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your faith [is] also vain.
1Cr 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Cr 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Cr 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Cr 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
Quote 1Cr 15:20 ¶ But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1Cr 15:21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Cr 15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Cr 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Cr 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
I am still praying that you will see the truth.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 15 2012,11:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2012,18:17) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2012,12:25) Hi BD: If the Word of God will not convince you, there is nothing more that I can say to you. I am praying that God will reveal the truth to you.
I love you and desire the best that God has to offer for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
Marty
The Word of God did convince me. but it hasn't convinced you that:Hosea 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.We both believe in God your view is Sacrifice is greater and my view is Mercy is better.
God bless you!
Hi BD:God does not require a sacrifice from you or I. He Himself has provided the sacrifice for our sins.
If Jesus did not obey God without sin unto death, and was not raised from the dead, there will be no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death, and death means spiritual separation from God. That means that everyone who has died has died in their sins and are spiritually separated from God because all men born of the sperm of man have sinned.
Here is the scripture:
Quote r 15:12 ¶ Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 1Cr 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Cr 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your faith [is] also vain.
1Cr 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Cr 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Cr 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Cr 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
Quote 1Cr 15:20 ¶ But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1Cr 15:21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Cr 15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Cr 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Cr 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
I am still praying that you will see the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Lazarus was raised from death and so were others. How was Jesus being raised different than Lazarus they both were physical beings after they were raised and Lazarus was dead even longer than Jesus he was dead for 4 days.The resurrection was already going to happen before Jesus that is why Jesus was debating the issue before they wanted to kill him
Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Jesus was already preaching the resurrection not as something he would bring about but as something already determined to occur. what makes you think Jesus was as an angel of God after being raised from the dead? Was Lazarus also like an angel of God after being raised from the dead?
You don't seem to understand the “resurrection” is an event that occurs at the end after judgement when all things will be made new.
I love you also and desire the best that God has to offer for you and your family as well.
God Bless Marty! Thanks for your sincere love
Hi BD:
These are the scriptures pertaining to Jesus raising Lazarus:
Quote Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
Christians die every day, and so, what did Jesus mean by saying whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die or he that believeth in me though he were dead, yet shall he live?
Lazarus was not raised with a spiritual body, but was raised with a mortal body which means that he died a physical death at some point after this.
Jesus did teach the resurrection prior to his death because he knew that his purpose was to give his life as a sacrifice so that there would be this resurrection from the dead. God had already showed him the outcome, and so, he was teaching this prophetically.
Quote Jhn 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Jhn 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Jhn 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Jhn 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will [my] Father honour.
Jhn 12:27 ¶ Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Jhn 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, [saying], I have both glorified [it], and will glorify [it] again.
Jhn 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard [it], said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Jhn 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Jhn 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
Jhn 12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Quote Act 2:22 ¶ Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29 Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ
Quote Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jhn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
I really don't know what else to say to you. I know that that Jesus has been raised from the dead because I have been born again from the dead (spiritual separation from God because of sin). It is like this:
Quote Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also qu
icken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 15 2012,14:27) Hi BD: These are the scriptures pertaining to Jesus raising Lazarus:
Quote Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
Christians die every day, and so, what did Jesus mean by saying whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die or he that believeth in me though he were dead, yet shall he live?
Lazarus was not raised with a spiritual body, but was raised with a mortal body which means that he died a physical death at some point after this.
Jesus did teach the resurrection prior to his death because he knew that his purpose was to give his life as a sacrifice so that there would be this resurrection from the dead. God had already showed him the outcome, and so, he was teaching this prophetically.
Quote Jhn 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Jhn 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Jhn 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Jhn 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will [my] Father honour.
Jhn 12:27 ¶ Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Jhn 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, [saying], I have both glorified [it], and will glorify [it] again.
Jhn 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard [it], said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Jhn 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Jhn 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
Jhn 12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Quote Act 2:22 ¶ Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29 Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ
Quote Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jhn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
I really don't know what else to say to you. I know that that Jesus has been raised from the dead because I have been born again from the dead (spiritual separation from God because of sin). It is like this:
Quote Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is
none of his.Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty where in scripture does it say that Jesu rose with a “spirit” body. He said:Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; ]B]for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.[/B]So he wouldn't have been raised any different than Lazarus plus Jesus said that upon resurrection people are spirit bodies because the are like the angels. When Jesus was teaching about the resurrection he wasn't talking about rising from the dead he was talking about the event that occurs after Judgement and it wasn't something new that the people had never heard of some groups simply didn't believe in it.
Jhn 11:25 shows that whatever type of resurrection that Jesus did with Lazarus would also be the same for himself
Quote Jhn 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. Jesus dying isn't the issue at all if a corn of wheat is destroyed or killed it will not bring forth fruit the issue was being killed or crucified.
Surah 5
117 “Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.Hi BD:
You quote Luke 24:39 so do you believe this scripure? He was raised from the dead with a body that did not have any blood.
Can you live without any blood in your body?
What Jesus said to Lazarus was that “he that liveth and believeth in me shall never die”. As I have stated, Christians who believe in him die every day. He was not speaking of a physical death. He was saying that he who lives and believes in him will not die spiritually. Although they may die a physical death, they are alive to God.
Quote Jhn 5:24 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Maybe these scriptures will help you to understand.
Quote 1Cr 15:35 ¶ But some [man] will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 1Cr 15:36 [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Cr 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other [grain]:
1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Cr 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.
1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cr 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
1Cr 15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.
1Cr 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 16 2012,11:45) Hi BD: You quote Luke 24:39 so do you believe this scripure? He was raised from the dead with a body that did not have any blood.
Can you live without any blood in your body?
What Jesus said to Lazarus was that “he that liveth and believeth in me shall never die”. As I have stated, Christians who believe in him die every day. He was not speaking of a physical death. He was saying that he who lives and believes in him will not die spiritually. Although they may die a physical death, they are alive to God.
Quote Jhn 5:24 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Maybe these scriptures will help you to understand.
Quote 1Cr 15:35 ¶ But some [man] will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 1Cr 15:36 [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Cr 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other [grain]:
1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Cr 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.
1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.
1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cr 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
1Cr 15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.
1Cr 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi MartyWhere in the world did you get the idea that Jesus had no blood on his body? He didn't say that at all, he explained that a spirit does not have flesh and bone, how was he to show blood to them? Cut himself? You cannot eat fish and honey comb without blood but more clearly
The life is in the blood so no Jesus wasn't some sort of Zombie remember he said it is “I” not some new different me besides that even bones have blood in them as well and so does flesh unless you think he showed up completely pale dead in the face with no heart beat which would mean that he would by definition still be dead.
It is thinking like that that secures in me the fact that you should really expand the way you see things.
Hi BD:
In the scripture that you quoted from Luke Jesus was showing the disciples his wounds, and in that and this scripture, how could he have any blood?
Quote Jhn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. He was raised from the dead by the Spirit of God. It is no longer the blood that keeps him alive, but the Spirit of God, and through this Spirit he has eternal life. Death has no more dominion over him.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 16 2012,13:40) Hi BD: In the scripture that you quoted from Luke Jesus was showing the disciples his wounds, and in that and this scripture, how could he have any blood?
Quote Jhn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. He was raised from the dead by the Spirit of God. It is no longer the blood that keeps him alive, but the Spirit of God, and through this Spirit he has eternal life. Death has no more dominion over him.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Can you please explain to me any type of death other than being exploded where there is no Blood left?Do you think when someone is stabbed all the blood leaves there body? Upon death the blood stops flowing which means it remains inside.
If Lazarus still had blood so did Jesus this is so clear how can you even debate the obvious. Do you really believe that Jesus was some sort of pale zombie? Muscles don't work without blood so there is no eating without blood. There are physical principles at work here and God made those physical principles.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:32) Quote (942767 @ April 16 2012,13:40) Hi BD: In the scripture that you quoted from Luke Jesus was showing the disciples his wounds, and in that and this scripture, how could he have any blood?
Quote Jhn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. He was raised from the dead by the Spirit of God. It is no longer the blood that keeps him alive, but the Spirit of God, and through this Spirit he has eternal life. Death has no more dominion over him.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Can you please explain to me any type of death other than being exploded where there is no Blood left?Do you think when someone is stabbed all the blood leaves there body? Upon death the blood stops flowing which means it remains inside.
If Lazarus still had blood so did Jesus this is so clear how can you even debate the obvious. Do you really believe that Jesus was some sort of pale zombie? Muscles don't work without blood so there is no eating without blood. There are physical principles at work here and God made those physical principles.
Hi BD:The scripture states that the life of the flesh is in the blood. Even is he had some blood left, it was not the blood that gave him life. He was dead. He was raised from the dead by the Spirit of God.
Lazarus did not obey God without sin even unto death on the cross.
Quote Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
God loves you and so do I, and so I have shared the gospel (the good news) with you.
I believe that I have answered your questions, and I am praying that God will somehow get you to see and acknowledge the truth.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 22 2012,12:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2012,15:32) Quote (942767 @ April 16 2012,13:40) Hi BD: In the scripture that you quoted from Luke Jesus was showing the disciples his wounds, and in that and this scripture, how could he have any blood?
Quote Jhn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. He was raised from the dead by the Spirit of God. It is no longer the blood that keeps him alive, but the Spirit of God, and through this Spirit he has eternal life. Death has no more dominion over him.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Can you please explain to me any type of death other than being exploded where there is no Blood left?Do you think when someone is stabbed all the blood leaves there body? Upon death the blood stops flowing which means it remains inside.
If Lazarus still had blood so did Jesus this is so clear how can you even debate the obvious. Do you really believe that Jesus was some sort of pale zombie? Muscles don't work without blood so there is no eating without blood. There are physical principles at work here and God made those physical principles.
Hi BD:The scripture states that the life of the flesh is in the blood. Even is he had some blood left, it was not the blood that gave him life. He was dead. He was raised from the dead by the Spirit of God.
Lazarus did not obey God without sin even unto death on the cross.
Quote Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
God loves you and so do I, and so I have shared the gospel (the good news) with you.
I believe that I have answered your questions, and I am praying that God will somehow get you to see and acknowledge the truth.
Love in Christ,
Marty
And I have also shared the Gospel with you. God Bless you and keep you and your's
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