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If any of you believe that Jesus is the literal son of God then you will have to agree that Jesus is GOD because each kind according to its kind is the rule of Procreation and if this is the case then you should all be Catholic and believe as they do
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 25 2012,16:36) If any of you believe that Jesus is the literal son of God then you will have to agree that Jesus is GOD because each kind according to its kind is the rule of Procreation and if this is the case then you should all be Catholic and believe as they do
If you believe that Jesus is the literal son of God then you must believe that he did an unspeakable act that angels did before the flood:Genesis 6:2-4
King James Version (KJV)
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Did God do with Mary what these sons of God did? Do you see your blasphemy?
Hi BD,
Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(1)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (2)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,22:09) Hi BD, Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(1)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (2)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVH
I have no idea what you are talking about can you be more clear? You sound like the trinity videoQuote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,05:37) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,22:09) Hi BD, Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(1)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (2)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVHI have no idea what you are talking about can you be more clear? You sound like the trinity video
DO YOU THINK THAT THE UNDERLINED PART IN PSALM 68:5
COULD BE A REFERENCE TO JESUS AND JESUS' FATHER?
.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,09:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,05:37) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,22:09) Hi BD, Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(1)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (2)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVHI have no idea what you are talking about can you be more clear? You sound like the trinity video
DO YOU THINK THAT THE UNDERLINED PART IN PSALM 68:5
COULD BE A REFERENCE TO JESUS AND JESUS' FATHER?
.
NoQuote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,10:44) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,09:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,05:37) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,22:09) Hi BD, Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(1)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (2)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVHI have no idea what you are talking about can you be more clear? You sound like the trinity video
DO YOU THINK THAT THE UNDERLINED PART IN PSALM 68:5
COULD BE A REFERENCE TO JESUS AND JESUS' FATHER?
.
No
Hi BDDo you believe Jesus was fatherless?
Who do you believe Jesus Father was?
Please answer both of these questions.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,11:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,10:44) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,09:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,05:37) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2012,22:09) Hi BD, Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(1)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (2)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVHI have no idea what you are talking about can you be more clear? You sound like the trinity video
DO YOU THINK THAT THE UNDERLINED PART IN PSALM 68:5
COULD BE A REFERENCE TO JESUS AND JESUS' FATHER?
.
No
Hi BDDo you believe Jesus was fatherless?
Who do you believe Jesus Father was?
Please answer both of these questions.B'shem
YHVH
Oh now I see where you were going with the psalm question, you were asking could a Father of the fatherless apply to Jesus being God's “son”? Yes in that sense God says that about all orphans as well.As far as who was the Father of Jesus he didn't have a Literal Father because like Adam he was created but likewise Adam is called the son of God as well
I have no problem with figurative language except where it interferes with literal meaning.
I mean if you take: Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.If you take this literally you would think that God is a man, once that is misunderstood problems begin and then it seems to contradict:
1 Samuel 15:29
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.you see what I mean? Very confusing because even that verse says the he will not repent but twice in the Bible it says that God “repented” so the person saying God is a Man can have further proof to believe such nonsense
Hi BD, great, now go back and answer these “THREE” questions.
(1)Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(2)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (3)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,12:04) Hi BD, great, now go back and answer these “THREE” questions. (1)Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(2)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (3)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVH
Why don't you just say what you think you are trying to explain?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,12:04) Hi BD, great, now go back and answer these “THREE” questions. (1)Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(2)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (3)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVH
Why don't you just say what you think you are trying to explain?
Hi BD,Please do your best to answer my questions; OK?
B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,12:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,12:04) Hi BD, great, now go back and answer these “THREE” questions. (1)Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(2)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (3)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVH
Why don't you just say what you think you are trying to explain?
Hi BD,Please do your best to answer my questions; OK?
B'shem
YHVH
If God would avenge His own elect then wouldn't that vengence be because of the way that the “Elect” was treated? If that is the case then how is it you consider that the Most Elect Jesus himself was purposely sacrificed by His creator what would there be to avenge if it was the plan from the beginning?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,14:55) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,12:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,12:04) Hi BD, great, now go back and answer these “THREE” questions. (1)Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(2)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (3)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVH
Why don't you just say what you think you are trying to explain?
Hi BD,Please do your best to answer my questions; OK?
B'shem
YHVH
If God would avenge His own elect then wouldn't that vengence be because of the way that the “Elect” was treated? If that is the case then how is it you consider that the Most Elect Jesus himself was purposely sacrificed by His creator what would there be to avenge if it was the plan from the beginning?
Hi BD,Your question is really not a question, but merely a complaint;
because you already know the answer, but have chosen to reject it.I believe you consider question #1 to be answered in the affirmative.
However, will you please answer questions numbered TWO and THREE.B'shem
YHVHHi BD,
Have you never read the bible: Jesus WILLINGLY was
sacrificed under Roman authorities by a Jewish mandate.B'shem
YHVHQuote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 27 2012,23:49) Anyone holding the Adoptionist view would not be considered a believer in this forum. Tim
Depends which Adoptionist view you take, I guess.
Sheppard of Hermas example had Jesus as a man, and the eternal son of God (Spirit) was in Jesus doing the speaking etc, the man and the spirit worked cooperatively together. Something like that.(Quote from Wikipedia):
“The Shepherd of Hermas is a Christian literary work of the 1st or 2nd century, considered a valuable book by many Christians, and considered canonical scripture by some of the early Church fathers such as Irenaeus. The Shepherd had great authority in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. …(How great I'm interested)… Along with the Apocrypha, it was bound with New Testament in the Codex Sinaiticus, and it was listed between the Acts of the Apostles and the Acts of Paul in the stichometrical list of the Codex Claromontanus.
In parable 5, the author mentions a Son of God, as a virtuous man filled with a Holy “pre-existent spirit” and adopted as the Son. In the 2nd century, adoptionism (the view that Jesus Christ was only a mortal man) was one of two competing doctrines about Jesus' true nature, the other being that he pre-existed as a divine spirit (Logos); Christ's identity with the Logos (Jn 1:1) was affirmed in 325 at the First Council of Nicaea”. (Unquote).
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,15:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,14:55) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,12:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2012,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,12:04) Hi BD, great, now go back and answer these “THREE” questions. (1)Do you believe the underlined part of this verse may be prophetically speaking of Jesus?
Psalms 68:4-5 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
and rejoice before him. A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.Luke 18:1-8 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray,
and not to faint; 2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, “I” will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6 And the Lord said, Hear what the
unjust judge saith. 7 And shall NOT GOD avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?(2)Do you believe that the Parable in Luke 18:1-8 may be pointing to
the emboldened part of Psalms 68:4-5, (3)which in turn points to
the underlined part which describes (HolySpirit) Jesus' Father?
This is a two part question, please address both parts; OK?B'shem
YHVH
Why don't you just say what you think you are trying to explain?
Hi BD,Please do your best to answer my questions; OK?
B'shem
YHVH
If God would avenge His own elect then wouldn't that vengence be because of the way that the “Elect” was treated? If that is the case then how is it you consider that the Most Elect Jesus himself was purposely sacrificed by His creator what would there be to avenge if it was the plan from the beginning?
Hi BD,Your question is really not a question, but merely a complaint;
because you already know the answer, but have chosen to reject it.I believe you consider question #1 to be answered in the affirmative.
However, will you please answer questions numbered TWO and THREE.B'shem
YHVH
I answered all the questions from that postQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,15:31) Hi BD, Have you never read the bible: Jesus WILLINGLY was
sacrificed under Roman authorities by a Jewish mandate.B'shem
YHVH
Pontious Pilate said he was going to chastise Jesus and let him go washing his hands of the whole matter of shedding innocent blood. He wasn't scared of the Jews so what makes you think he didn't do what he said he would?Psalm 26
1Judge me, O LORD; for I have walked in mine integrity: I have trusted also in the LORD; therefore I shall not slide.
2Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart.
3For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes: and I have walked in thy truth.
4I have not sat with vain persons, neither will I go in with dissemblers.
5I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.
6I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O LORD:
7That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy wondrous works.
8LORD, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.
9Gather not my soul with sinners, nor my life with bloody men:
10In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes.
11But as for me, I will walk in mine integrity: redeem me, and be merciful unto me.
12My foot standeth in an even place: in the congregations will I bless the LORD.
Learn ED
Matthew 27:19-25
King James Version (KJV)
19When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.
20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
21The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
22Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
23And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
Luke 23:15-16
King James Version (KJV)
15No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
16I will therefore chastise him, and release him.
Luke 23:12
King James Version (KJV)
12And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.
Luke 23:22
And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.Now ED did Jesus bear his Cross or did someone else bear it?
John 19:17
King James Version (KJV)
17And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
Luke 23:26
Matthew 27:32
And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: ]B]him they compelled to bear his cross.[/B]Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 29 2012,02:21) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,15:31) Hi BD, Have you never read the bible: Jesus WILLINGLY was
sacrificed under Roman authorities by a Jewish mandate.B'shem
YHVH
Pontious Pilate said he was going to chastise Jesus and let him go washing his hands of the whole matter of shedding innocent blood. He wasn't scared of the Jews so what makes you think he didn't do what he said he would?
HI BD,I didn't say that he was scared of the Jews, I said he followed their mandate.
B'shem
YHVH
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