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Hi Nick
Jesus often mixed his metaphors.
Take Matt 7 for example
He warns us to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing
Then tells us we will know them by their fruits as thorns do not bear grapes
He switches from animal life to botanical life in one illustration so it is not always
According to human logic. These illustrations are all just that – illustrative using the natural and familiar in a symbolic way to show what the Kingdom of God is like – not identical to.What is the seed according to the record of scripture?
Seed is used more times than any other in the bible in reference to the lineage or offspring of mankind.
Relative to this seed is shown to obey the rules set out in Gen 1:11 namely that every seed brings forth according to kind.
Seed is indicative both of the offspring that express a certain strain of life and of the life itself.
Hence the Word of God shown as a seed – that which comes down from heaven (like the rain) to be sown upon the earth to give an increase. [Mt 13:19]
Also the seed is shown as the earthly expression of this life whose origins are heavenly.[Mt 13:23]In another parable the kingdom of Heaven is likened to a mustard seed, which is a seed that does not naturally hybridize. It is pure – will not mix with any other life.[Mt 13:31]
We find that the word as a seed coming from Heaven by God's voice (the word that goes forth out of his mouth) [Is 55:01-11] must be mixed with faith in them that hear if it is to have any effect [Heb 4:2]Jesus told the teachers and religious men that they had no place in them for his word. That for this reason they were unable to receive his word and were of their father the Devil doing his works as a result. [Jn 5:37-38] [Jn 5:42-43] [Jn 8:42-43] [Jn 8:43-45]
They were not able to do the work of God which is to believe on him who God had sent. [Jn 6:29]Jesus also said 'My sheep hear My voice and I know them and they follow me' [Jn 6:26]
He did not say they were God's sheep because they heard His voice.
They heard His voice because they were His sheep, that He knew (by His divine foreknowledge) and as a result they follow Him – because they are His sheep that hear Him.
You do not become a son of God by deciding to become one, you are given the power (authority) to be called the sons of God because you are proven to be them and therefore able to be born of God. Because the Word of God can be received in you, because it can be mixed with faith in you to produce the rebirth.JOHN 10:26-28
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.The reason they did not believe and could not receive him or his word is because they were not OF his sheep.
This is not the reason they were said to be not OF his sheep. It is because they are not OF his sheep that they did not believe.
The indicator of this? The sheep hear the voice of God, and He knows them, and they follow.
Three indicators: They are able to hear – they are foreknown of God – they are obedient having heard.
In Matthew 7 Jesus tells us not to judge a book by the cover, what appears to be a sheep on the outside, may be of a completely different nature on the inside. And we can determine this how? By their fruits – not gifts of the spirit but their ability to hear and obey the Word of God.Hi,
Jesus is the life.
All that has life came into being through him
So he has given life in himself before all other life and before all things.Hi,
There is no life outside of the Living God and His only begotten Son, except that which came from God through the Son.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2006,07:27) Hi,
Jesus is the life.
All that has life came into being through him
So he has given life in himself before all other life and before all things.Quote Jesus is the life. John 14:6 – amen
Quote All that has life came into being through him He came into being through himself?
Quote So he has given life in himself before all other life and before all things. Er not quite – as the Father has life in Himself so has He (the Father) given for the son to have life in himself.
So it is given to him of His Father – this ability.
When Jesus says:“I am the way and the truth and the life no one can come to the Father but by me”
The way to what?
The truth about what?
What life?THE FATHER – He is the way to God – He is the True God manifest in flesh – He is the Life of God shown to men.
That's what I think
Hi Malcolm,
Jesus does not have life.
He is life.” I AM the way, the truth and the LIFE”
” I AM the resurrection and the LIFE”
That life was given him by the Father.
That Life became his to give away.Jn 5.21
“For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, EVEN SO THE SON ALSO GIVES LIFE TO WHOM HE WISHES”Men can only have that life in him.
Then they will be one in the Father in the Son.That is right and no man can come to Jesus to receive that life unless His Father draws him.
So those whom he wishes to give life to are those who God has given him.
We have oneness with him, his mind and will can be ours, his will was to do his Father's will.JOHN 4:34
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.Hi Adam Pastor,
In what way is Jesus Christ the life? Did all life come through the Son? Was the Word with God in the beginning?Hi Guys,
I believe Bullinger's Companion Bible illucidates the fact that the word that is translated
into English as “eternal” is from the Greek “anion” which means eon. This is a set period of time.That is why many Bibles translate the prophecy in Isaiah 9:6 regarding of Christ as being “Eternal Father” and trinitarians are quick to jump on this as PROOF Jesus was the Father in human flesh.
The NIV does a little better by rendering Isaiah 9:6 as “Everlasting Father” but it still misses the mark of defining a specific period of time.Properly translated it should read that Christ is the “father of the coming eon or age”.
I believe Young's Literal Translation renders it this way and perhaps a few other Bibles
as well.So we need to see the proper translation of the word is not eternal which means
having no beginning or end but eon which means a set period of time.Our Lord is the father of the coming age just as Jubal was the father of all who play the harp,
Jabal was the father of all who live in tents, etc. in Genesis 4:20. In Hebrew it means the premiere forerunner of something. Christ will reign for 1,000 years before returning the Kingdom to his Father.
So this is a set period of time, the coming age of which Christ is the forerunner of. Just remember that most Bibles are edited by trinitarians so their views often shape how a scripture in translated.I also use two Sacred Name Bibles which are not edited by trinitarians. Not only do they put the original names and titles for God back in their proper place, but by doing so, makes it clear WHO the scriptures are talking about. The Father or the Son. Titles such as LORD, God, Lord, god can be confusing and blur the line between God and Christ. That's why those who translated the KJV and most other trinitarians love use to them!
Just my thoughts,
Semmy
Thanks for that seminarian,
And if Abraham is our father in that we are his children, then Christ is our everlasting father. This of course is very different to our Heavenly Father.
Christ is the image of God and because of that he will be like God. But some use this as proof that he is that God. But if their reasonings were correct then we could justify the false notion that we are Christ.
E.g.,
Colossians 2:8-10
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.Those who use this verse to prove that Jesus is God if they were consistent would have to read that we are Christ. Of course they know that the second notion is false, but cannot see that the first notion is false for the same reason.
In other words they take scriptures that show how like God, Christ is and that becomes the proof.
Yes good point Nick.
Yes Jesus is the way, truth, and life.
God created all things through him and for him. God created all things through his Son.
Similarly we are the branches and he is the vine. God tends to the vine. But without the vine there would be no branches.
In nature a vine grows and springs branches. But some teach that the branches came before the vine.
Yes Jesus is our life. Without him, we have no life.
Hi,
It is not hard to grasp that Jesus was before all things, even Abraham and David, when you realise he is the LIFE.Hi Is 1.18,
Jesus said “
“I am the way, the truth and the Life”He did not say
“I am who am”
This life, the Word of life, was with the Father in the beginning.
John saw the Life and testified about him.
1Jn 1 1f
“1What was (A)from the beginning, what we have (B)heard, what we have Âseen with our eyes, what we (D)have looked at and (E)touched with our hands, concerning the (F)Word of Life–
2and (G)the life was manifested, and we have (H)seen and (I)testify and proclaim to you (J)the eternal life, which was (K)with the Father and was (L)manifested to us–“The monogenes Son of God was the Life.
Hi,
All life came through the Son of God.Jn 1
” 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.”
Some falsely equate existence with life.
Matter exists but not all things have life.
A post has no life but the tree from which it was taken does.
A soul can exist after death without life.Hi ,
Jesus offered men the life giving waters.Jn 7
” 37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)”
That water had been available to the Jews too.
Jer 17
” 13O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters. “1Cor 10
“4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. “Because the Lord is the Spirit
2Cor 3
” 17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
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