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Quote (t8 @ Jan. 26 2010,11:30) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,07:26) Its ok Bod, Ed is just saying things to try and get me to be more honest etc. Thats all. I dont mind. Im supposed to be helping Muslims learn of the Gospel which is what I believe I was shown to do, but instead am being drawn into Islam.
John 12:32
But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”John 10:4
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.karmarie, a person will listen to whom their heart wants to listen to.
If you heard a radio playing a song you liked and at equal distance another radio playing a song you didn't like, chances are that your ears would be drawn to that which you like.
This is why a long life is a fair representation of who we are. We choose that which we want to choose and we end up living with the fruits of our decisions and we decide what we do with those fruits.
Anyway, I can tell you right now that it has never been about which religion. It is not about Islam, or even Christianity. It is about God and if we believe God, then we will believe his testimony regarding his son.
Also about worship and submission. If Christianity has great worship and Islam has great submission, what does that mean. It ultimately means little. As people we are to worship God and to be submitted to his will. We are not here to grovel to the Father or worship Jesus as God. It is not submission and worship itself that is worthy but God and his son.
Whatever happens your comment about trusting in God is the only way. You don't need Christianity or Islam, Catholicism or Hinuism to show you the way.
If you believe in God's testimony, then let the son show you to the Father. It isn't complicated. The religions of this world will try to own your soul and your money. Don't sell out to them.
Rather than Islam or Christianity, why not Christ?
Thanks t8,I think my main problem is I never understood worship, being in church , people singing and holding up their hands, I felt more comfortable with submission to God, which is what Islam teaches.
So confusing the paths we walk down sometimes but I believe in trusting whatever God is trying to help us see. Wherever it is leading us.
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:28) I understand what your saying, I know Islam does believe Jesus was the Christ. But then John says jesus was there at creation, before creation. And Jesus when praying asked God to reconcile him as they were before the world. Does Islam believe this?
The Quran does say that Jesus was a Spirit that proceded from God(Or the presence of God)The greatness and uniqueness of Jesus is not at issue with any Muslim because he is The Christ.
Islam simply states that the the One God anointed is not “God” or a partner of God in otherwords Jesus is not Allah nor is Allah part of a trinity.
The other day I was driving and I went down a street where there was a chuch called “Queen of Heaven” If Mary is The Queen of Heaven who is the King of Heaven?
The fact is many deified Mary as if God had relations with her. There is a history of Mary worship but Mary is not the Mother of God and God does not have children like a man does.
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,11:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,10:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,23:11) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,23:06) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,22:05) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,21:36) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,21:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2010,20:30) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,20:24) Don't worry Ed, I think your god is brutal too. He murdered poor Uzzah, who was only trying to help! BD leaps from subject to subject in an attempt to dodge answering valid arguments. He will move from homosexuality to the cost of real estate, just you see!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Nicole Tesla surmised that the arc was “a Giant Capacitor”.
If true then the cause of death would have been an electric shock;
thus an accident. Once discharged it was safe to touch!Ed J
So you are saying that the bible is wrong, and in fact god never intended that Uzzah die?1 Chronicles 13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Chronicles was written by Scribes of the King, NOT a Prophet of YHVH(The LORD); do you know the difference?
God bless
ED J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So Chronicles is part of the bible that is not divine-inspired?Is 2 Samuel 6:7 good enough for you then?
Stuart
Stuart, Stuart, Stuart,That's the same account.
Ed J
I know. Isn't Samuel a prophet though?!Does that count as divine-inspired enough for you to believe it?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,“Yes Samuel was a Prophet, but Samuel did NOT write the book of Samuel”.
The book of Samuel is another book of records of the children of Israel;
similar to the books of Chronicles and Kings.Try again.
Ed J
Well fair play to you then. Where do you stop with this disregard for scripture? No one actually knows who wrote the gospels, so you don't know whether they had the same 'prophet'-like qualifications to comment on divine intent, either.Prophets only get that name by reputation, there is no objective measure of who is a prophet and who is not.
If you just go on their record of prophecy, the writers of Isaiah should not be considered prophets either.
When you get to the point where you view all of scripture as historical fiction, let me know. We will have even more to talk about!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,I don't disregard Scripture, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
The books of Chronicles and Kings belong in the Bible!The REAL question is what do you consider to be PROOF of God's existence,
as I have shown you much proof to which you continue to disregard as if it has no real merit?
All the circumstantial evidences seen as a whole can be seen as conclusive PROOF!As BD puts it I have cured people with Atheists Disease a number of times.
This is my first attempt to cure someone of satanic brainwashing disease.
But I seem to be having trouble getting the patient to follow the doctors orders.Ed J
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,12:08) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:28) I understand what your saying, I know Islam does believe Jesus was the Christ. But then John says jesus was there at creation, before creation. And Jesus when praying asked God to reconcile him as they were before the world. Does Islam believe this?
The Quran does say that Jesus was a Spirit that proceded from God(Or the presence of God)The greatness and uniqueness of Jesus is not at issue with any Muslim because he is The Christ.
Islam simply states that the the One God anointed is not “God” or a partner of God in otherwords Jesus is not Allah nor is Allah part of a trinity.
The other day I was driving and I went down a street where there was a chuch called “Queen of Heaven” If Mary is The Queen of Heaven who is the King of Heaven?
The fact is many deified Mary as if God had relations with her. There is a history of Mary worship but Mary is not the Mother of God and God does not have children like a man does.
Bod, I agree but you didnt answer the question- does Islam believe as John says, that Jesus in whatever form, was present at creation?Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,12:23) I don't disregard Scripture, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
The books of Chronicles and Kings belong in the Bible!The REAL question is what do you consider to be PROOF of God's existence,
as I have shown you much proof to which you continue to disregard as if it has no real merit?
All the circumstantial evidences seen as a whole can be seen as conclusive PROOF!As BD puts it I have cured people with Atheists Disease a number of times.
This is my first attempt to cure someone of satanic brainwashing disease.
But I seem to be having trouble getting the patient to follow the doctors orders.Ed J
Either you agree that your god smote Uzzah with intent, or you don't. If you agree with the scriptural accounts of your Imaginary Friend's intention to punish Uzzah, then what was all the Tesla's capacitor stuff for?This has nothing whatever to do with proofs of god. It is about the petulant vengeance that was allegedly visited on Uzzah when he was only trying to help.
Stuart
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,12:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,12:08) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:28) I understand what your saying, I know Islam does believe Jesus was the Christ. But then John says jesus was there at creation, before creation. And Jesus when praying asked God to reconcile him as they were before the world. Does Islam believe this?
The Quran does say that Jesus was a Spirit that proceded from God(Or the presence of God)The greatness and uniqueness of Jesus is not at issue with any Muslim because he is The Christ.
Islam simply states that the the One God anointed is not “God” or a partner of God in otherwords Jesus is not Allah nor is Allah part of a trinity.
The other day I was driving and I went down a street where there was a chuch called “Queen of Heaven” If Mary is The Queen of Heaven who is the King of Heaven?
The fact is many deified Mary as if God had relations with her. There is a history of Mary worship but Mary is not the Mother of God and God does not have children like a man does.
Bod, I agree but you didnt answer the question- does Islam believe as John says, that Jesus in whatever form, was present at creation?
I really don't know, as Islam and the Quran is more concerned with The Creator and not so much the creations of God.The Fact is that God does not depend on some other entity to create or maintain life
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,12:34) The Fact is that God does not depend on some other entity to create or maintain life
What about all the other gods who help him?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,12:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,12:23) I don't disregard Scripture, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
The books of Chronicles and Kings belong in the Bible!The REAL question is what do you consider to be PROOF of God's existence,
as I have shown you much proof to which you continue to disregard as if it has no real merit?
All the circumstantial evidences seen as a whole can be seen as conclusive PROOF!As BD puts it I have cured people with Atheists Disease a number of times.
This is my first attempt to cure someone of satanic brainwashing disease.
But I seem to be having trouble getting the patient to follow the doctors orders.Ed J
Either you agree that your god smote Uzzah with intent, or you don't. If you agree with the scriptural accounts of your Imaginary Friend's intention to punish Uzzah, then what was all the Tesla's capacitor stuff for?This has nothing whatever to do with proofs of god. It is about the petulant vengeance that was allegedly visited on Uzzah when he was only trying to help.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,BD is right your goal is not to find out if God really exists.
Don't bother me with the facts because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up!How can you be angry with something that doesn't exist?
Trying to debunk God's existence is futile, because He exists!Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,13:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,12:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,12:23) I don't disregard Scripture, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
The books of Chronicles and Kings belong in the Bible!The REAL question is what do you consider to be PROOF of God's existence,
as I have shown you much proof to which you continue to disregard as if it has no real merit?
All the circumstantial evidences seen as a whole can be seen as conclusive PROOF!As BD puts it I have cured people with Atheists Disease a number of times.
This is my first attempt to cure someone of satanic brainwashing disease.
But I seem to be having trouble getting the patient to follow the doctors orders.Ed J
Either you agree that your god smote Uzzah with intent, or you don't. If you agree with the scriptural accounts of your Imaginary Friend's intention to punish Uzzah, then what was all the Tesla's capacitor stuff for?This has nothing whatever to do with proofs of god. It is about the petulant vengeance that was allegedly visited on Uzzah when he was only trying to help.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,BD is right your goal is not to find out if God really exists.
Don't bother me with the facts because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up!How can you be angry with something that doesn't exist?
Trying to debunk God's existence is futile, because He exists!Ed J
You are finally understanding that Stu does not have a spirtiual sense.Peace and bleesings be upon you.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,13:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,12:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,12:23) I don't disregard Scripture, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
The books of Chronicles and Kings belong in the Bible!The REAL question is what do you consider to be PROOF of God's existence,
as I have shown you much proof to which you continue to disregard as if it has no real merit?
All the circumstantial evidences seen as a whole can be seen as conclusive PROOF!As BD puts it I have cured people with Atheists Disease a number of times.
This is my first attempt to cure someone of satanic brainwashing disease.
But I seem to be having trouble getting the patient to follow the doctors orders.Ed J
Either you agree that your god smote Uzzah with intent, or you don't. If you agree with the scriptural accounts of your Imaginary Friend's intention to punish Uzzah, then what was all the Tesla's capacitor stuff for?This has nothing whatever to do with proofs of god. It is about the petulant vengeance that was allegedly visited on Uzzah when he was only trying to help.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,BD is right your goal is not to find out if God really exists.
Don't bother me with the facts because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up!How can you be angry with something that doesn't exist?
Trying to debunk God's existence is futile, because He exists!Ed J
OK. I won't worry you with pesky descriptions of reality then.You stick to your fantasy world of Imaginary Friends.
Childhood might be a more comfortable place for your brain to live anyway.
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,15:17) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,13:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,12:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,12:23) I don't disregard Scripture, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
The books of Chronicles and Kings belong in the Bible!The REAL question is what do you consider to be PROOF of God's existence,
as I have shown you much proof to which you continue to disregard as if it has no real merit?
All the circumstantial evidences seen as a whole can be seen as conclusive PROOF!As BD puts it I have cured people with Atheists Disease a number of times.
This is my first attempt to cure someone of satanic brainwashing disease.
But I seem to be having trouble getting the patient to follow the doctors orders.Ed J
Either you agree that your god smote Uzzah with intent, or you don't. If you agree with the scriptural accounts of your Imaginary Friend's intention to punish Uzzah, then what was all the Tesla's capacitor stuff for?This has nothing whatever to do with proofs of god. It is about the petulant vengeance that was allegedly visited on Uzzah when he was only trying to help.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,BD is right your goal is not to find out if God really exists.
Don't bother me with the facts because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up!How can you be angry with something that doesn't exist?
Trying to debunk God's existence is futile, because He exists!Ed J
You are finally understanding that Stu does not have a spirtiual sense.Peace and bleesings be upon you.
I think I am far more spiritual than most fundamentalist religionists. I acknowledge the desolate beauty of the universe and the reality of my place in it.Religionists live in a synthetic world of make-believe fantasy, a nasty story of domination and submission to brutal beings that actually cannot be shown by anyone to be really there, and one that stops them from having to face the true majesty of their surroundings, discomforting as they can be to a childish, submissive and ignorant mind.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,17:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,15:17) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,13:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,12:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,12:23) I don't disregard Scripture, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
The books of Chronicles and Kings belong in the Bible!The REAL question is what do you consider to be PROOF of God's existence,
as I have shown you much proof to which you continue to disregard as if it has no real merit?
All the circumstantial evidences seen as a whole can be seen as conclusive PROOF!As BD puts it I have cured people with Atheists Disease a number of times.
This is my first attempt to cure someone of satanic brainwashing disease.
But I seem to be having trouble getting the patient to follow the doctors orders.Ed J
Either you agree that your god smote Uzzah with intent, or you don't. If you agree with the scriptural accounts of your Imaginary Friend's intention to punish Uzzah, then what was all the Tesla's capacitor stuff for?This has nothing whatever to do with proofs of god. It is about the petulant vengeance that was allegedly visited on Uzzah when he was only trying to help.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,BD is right your goal is not to find out if God really exists.
Don't bother me with the facts because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up!How can you be angry with something that doesn't exist?
Trying to debunk God's existence is futile, because He exists!Ed J
You are finally understanding that Stu does not have a spirtiual sense.Peace and bleesings be upon you.
I think I am far more spiritual than most fundamentalist religionists. I acknowledge the desolate beauty of the universe and the reality of my place in it.Religionists live in a synthetic world of make-believe fantasy, a nasty story of domination and submission to brutal beings that actually cannot be shown by anyone to be really there, and one that stops them from having to face the true majesty of their surroundings, discomforting as they can be to a childish, submissive and ignorant mind.
Stuart
So now you see yourself as “Spiritual”? in what sense?How do you define being Spiritual?
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:39) Thanks t8, I think my main problem is I never understood worship, being in church , people singing and holding up their hands, I felt more comfortable with submission to God, which is what Islam teaches.
So confusing the paths we walk down sometimes but I believe in trusting whatever God is trying to help us see. Wherever it is leading us.
Hi k.If you get the submission thing, then submit to God. Submission isn't meant to be used to submit to a religion, but to God himself.
If you are one with God and submitted to him, there is no confusion and you won't need to look around for a religion to support you.
Confidence basically means “with faith”. Have confidence in God and not the religions of men. Don't let anyone talk you into a religion. Just let God talk you into what he wants. Be like a child.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,04:49) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,17:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,15:17) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,13:10) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 26 2010,12:28) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,12:23) I don't disregard Scripture, you are trying to put words into my mouth.
The books of Chronicles and Kings belong in the Bible!The REAL question is what do you consider to be PROOF of God's existence,
as I have shown you much proof to which you continue to disregard as if it has no real merit?
All the circumstantial evidences seen as a whole can be seen as conclusive PROOF!As BD puts it I have cured people with Atheists Disease a number of times.
This is my first attempt to cure someone of satanic brainwashing disease.
But I seem to be having trouble getting the patient to follow the doctors orders.Ed J
Either you agree that your god smote Uzzah with intent, or you don't. If you agree with the scriptural accounts of your Imaginary Friend's intention to punish Uzzah, then what was all the Tesla's capacitor stuff for?This has nothing whatever to do with proofs of god. It is about the petulant vengeance that was allegedly visited on Uzzah when he was only trying to help.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,BD is right your goal is not to find out if God really exists.
Don't bother me with the facts because I(Stuart) already have my mind made up!How can you be angry with something that doesn't exist?
Trying to debunk God's existence is futile, because He exists!Ed J
You are finally understanding that Stu does not have a spirtiual sense.Peace and bleesings be upon you.
I think I am far more spiritual than most fundamentalist religionists. I acknowledge the desolate beauty of the universe and the reality of my place in it.Religionists live in a synthetic world of make-believe fantasy, a nasty story of domination and submission to brutal beings that actually cannot be shown by anyone to be really there, and one that stops them from having to face the true majesty of their surroundings, discomforting as they can be to a childish, submissive and ignorant mind.
Stuart
So now you see yourself as “Spiritual”? in what sense?How do you define being Spiritual?
I wrote:Quote I acknowledge the desolate beauty of the universe and the reality of my place in it. Stuart
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:39) I think my main problem is I never understood worship, being in church , people singing and holding up their hands, I felt more comfortable with submission to God, which is what Islam teaches. So confusing the paths we walk down sometimes but I believe in trusting whatever God is trying to help us see. Wherever it is leading us.
Do you feel comfortable with a woman having half the value of a man?Do you feel comfortable with the original 'teacher' of islam being a pedophile who conquered the Arabian Peninsula by 'offering' his 'religion of peace' to other tribes, then slaying them when they said no thanks?
What should you think of a religion that tells you not to be friends with non-muslims, because they hate you?
You know I could go on and on like this all day, don't you!
Is islam all that you are cracking it up to be?
Stuart
Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,12:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 26 2010,12:08) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:28) I understand what your saying, I know Islam does believe Jesus was the Christ. But then John says jesus was there at creation, before creation. And Jesus when praying asked God to reconcile him as they were before the world. Does Islam believe this?
The Quran does say that Jesus was a Spirit that proceded from God(Or the presence of God)The greatness and uniqueness of Jesus is not at issue with any Muslim because he is The Christ.
Islam simply states that the the One God anointed is not “God” or a partner of God in otherwords Jesus is not Allah nor is Allah part of a trinity.
The other day I was driving and I went down a street where there was a chuch called “Queen of Heaven” If Mary is The Queen of Heaven who is the King of Heaven?
The fact is many deified Mary as if God had relations with her. There is a history of Mary worship but Mary is not the Mother of God and God does not have children like a man does.
Bod, I agree but you didnt answer the question- does Islam believe as John says, that Jesus in whatever form, was present at creation?
KM,The Quran does not mention it one way or the other and it really doesn't matter if you believe that God is SOVEREIGN. All the angels could have been there as well but that is also not the point. The problem in Christianity is the great desire to partner God with Christ and put them on equal footing.
Should we really worship the creation? If Jesus was not created he is in-fact “God”
So how far back do you want his existence to go? You are to submit to God this is not new it is the religion of Abraham who truly submitted and God called him friend.
Abraham did not have to be concerned with giving status to anyone else but GOD, so should you?
ALL Praise is due to GOD and whatever Jesus is (King, lord, son, master, prophet,healer…etc. he is that to the Glory of GOD
Amen?
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2010,08:14) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:39) Thanks t8, I think my main problem is I never understood worship, being in church , people singing and holding up their hands, I felt more comfortable with submission to God, which is what Islam teaches.
So confusing the paths we walk down sometimes but I believe in trusting whatever God is trying to help us see. Wherever it is leading us.
Hi k.If you get the submission thing, then submit to God. Submission isn't meant to be used to submit to a religion, but to God himself.
If you are one with God and submitted to him, there is no confusion and you won't need to look around for a religion to support you.
Confidence basically means “with faith”. Have confidence in God and not the religions of men. Don't let anyone talk you into a religion. Just let God talk you into what he wants. Be like a child.
More Hypocrisy T8?You say don't let anyone talk you into a religion on one hand then you divide everyone as to have a monopoly and espouse mainly the Christian only view. Don't you remember the thread should a Muslim be allowed to post in the BELIEVERS area?
sounds to me you are very particular about religion. So when KM starts talking about following what God has put in her heart and that she is drawn to Islam why didn't you say to her “God bless you sister then Islam must be for you”
If she was a Muslim and said God has been drawing me to Christianity you would have been the first to say “God bless you sister God has shown you the truth”
Jesus bowed and prayed to God just like any good Muslim does and I look forward to the day when I see Jesus bowing to God with Karmarie right next to him bowing alongside Jesus.
It will be good to see you too T8
God be Blessed
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2010,08:14) Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 26 2010,11:39) Thanks t8, I think my main problem is I never understood worship, being in church , people singing and holding up their hands, I felt more comfortable with submission to God, which is what Islam teaches.
So confusing the paths we walk down sometimes but I believe in trusting whatever God is trying to help us see. Wherever it is leading us.
Hi k.If you get the submission thing, then submit to God. Submission isn't meant to be used to submit to a religion, but to God himself.
If you are one with God and submitted to him, there is no confusion and you won't need to look around for a religion to support you.
Confidence basically means “with faith”. Have confidence in God and not the religions of men. Don't let anyone talk you into a religion. Just let God talk you into what he wants. Be like a child.
Thanks t8! I really do get what you mean.I really appretiate that advice
Quote Do you feel comfortable with the original 'teacher' of islam being a pedophile Im not sure about that I havent looked into it much?
Quote ….who conquered the Arabian Peninsula by 'offering' his 'religion of peace' to other tribes, then slaying them when they said no thanks? Heres some figures I found yesterday:
* Christianity (1.9+ billion people). 600 year head start on Islam
* Islam (1.5+ billion people). Catching up at a rate of 10:1. Many of the converts are Atheists or Christians (including many Church leaders and ministers). By 2025 Muslims will out number Christians.
* In America pre 9/11 40000+ people convert to Islam per year, post 9/11, people have became curious about what makes Muslims tick. They are now discovering that what Muslims like these do are completely in the opposite direction to the teachings of Muhammad and Islam, hence why the number of converts has increased to 78000+ a year.
* Jesus' message was 2.4 years, Muhammad's 23 years
* Jesus' had 120 followers at the end of his time on earth Muhammad had millions
* Muhammad confirmed Jesus and believed in him, as Jesus said to his disciples whilst in the Garden of Gethsemane that someone would come to confirm him
* Jesus said he came to the tribe of Israel only, Muhammad said he came to all mankind.
* The different denominations of Christianity don't agree with each other about Mary, Jesus, the trinity, the many versions and revisions of the Bible etc, whereas the different denominations of Islam agree that Muhammad is the final Prophet, Jesus is a Prophet and performed miracles, God is One and Only, and the exact Quran as at the time of Muhammad is still used today by all the denominations, and the originals are still available.
* What is known as Apocrypha today is the Gospels that the Roman (Origin Pagans: worshiped many gods, human gods etc) Catholic Church wanted to destroy because it denies the trinity and the divinity of Jesus and reveals the coming of another (Muhammad). “Eg. The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 C.E. In 325 C.E., the Nicene Council was held, where it was ordered that all original Gospels in Hebrew script should be destroyed. An Edict was issued that any one in possession of these Gospels will be put to death” (http://www.barnabas.net/)
* Jesus did not found Christianity and the Church (Paul did). Muhammad founded Islam.
Quote What should you think of a religion that tells you not to be friends with non-muslims, because they hate you? Iv seen Muslims and non muslims being friends, its often the other way round, Christians etc are taught not to assosiate with THEM.
Quote You know I could go on and on like this all day, don't you! Is islam all that you are cracking it up to be?
Stuart
I know Stu! haha
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,09:11)
KM,The Quran does not mention it one way or the other and it really doesn't matter if you believe that God is SOVEREIGN. All the angels could have been there as well but that is also not the point. The problem in Christianity is the great desire to partner God with Christ and put them on equal footing.
Should we really worship the creation? If Jesus was not created he is in-fact “God”
So how far back do you want his existence to go? You are to submit to God this is not new it is the religion of Abraham who truly submitted and God called him friend.
Abraham did not have to be concerned with giving status to anyone else but GOD, so should you?
ALL Praise is due to GOD and whatever Jesus is (King, lord, son, master, prophet,healer…etc. he is that to the Glory of GOD
Amen?
Amen.
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