The koran on women

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Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 27 2010,11:41)

Hi Karmarie,

So instead of worshipping the GOD of The Bible(YHVH),
instead you choose to bow down to an idol FIVE times a Day?

Ex:20:5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Deut:5:9: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them:
for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Ex:23:24: Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works:
but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

Muslims are taught to hate the children of Israel.

1Jn:3:15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:
and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1Jn:4:20: If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar:
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Loose the confusion Karmarie.

Judg:2:19: And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned,
and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them,
and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.

Ed J

January 27, 2010 at 1:42 am#173697

karmarie

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Ed, Muslims are taught to hate the children of Isreal? Really? Is that in the Quran / from Mohammad or something more of todays frame of mind eg to do with Palestine/Gaza?

January 27, 2010 at 1:45 am#173699

karmarie

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Ed, they dont bow to idols, that is bad to them, in a mosque there is nothing. And they pray to God who created the heavens and the earth, there is only one creator.

January 27, 2010 at 3:05 am#173714

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Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 27 2010,11:41)

You are right! The brotherhood of Mankind worshiping ONE GOD.

Jesus taught about the good samaritan:

Luke 10:28-37 (King James Version)

28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Now we know this Samaritan was not of the same religion and Jesus is teaching us there that your religion means nothing if you have no love in your heart.

If you are drawn to love you will be drawn to Islam just like Jesus was drawn in every way to submit to God.

January 27, 2010 at 3:10 am#173715

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,11:55)

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 27 2010,11:41)

Hi Karmarie,

So instead of worshipping the GOD of The Bible(YHVH),
instead you choose to bow down to an idol FIVE times a Day?

Ex:23:24: Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works:
but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

Muslims are taught to hate the children of Israel.

1Jn:3:15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:
and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1Jn:4:20: If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar:
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Loose the confusion Karmarie.

Ed J

This is what I am saying look:

[Quote]1Jn:3:15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:
and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.[/B]

Jesus said:

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:25-27

Tell me what this means, if you know.

January 27, 2010 at 4:58 am#173725

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,14:10)

Jesus said:

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:25-27

Tell me what this means, if you know.

Hi BD,

It means you don't know how to use a Concordance.
If you did, then you would find the word 'hate',
should have been translated as “LOVE LESS”!
Only your god(satan) teaches people to hate!
Drop the 'book of fraud' and come back to the real GOD(HolySpirit)!

Ed J

January 27, 2010 at 5:45 am#173731

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Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 27 2010,12:42)

Ed, Muslims are taught to hate the children of Isreal? Really? Is that in the Quran / from Mohammad or something more of todays frame of mind eg to do with Palestine/Gaza?

Yes they are taught to hate Jews. I think there is little question that in many parts of the world, places where they take the koran seriously, there is a bit more than 'nothing' in a mosque. At Friday prayers there is an antisemitic imam sitting at a table at one end loudly inciting hatred.

The Iranian president would like to see Israel buldozed into the Mediterranian Sea. Don't think for a minute his clergy have not been able to find all the koranic justification he needs.

Have you seen the videos in the Al Jazeera thread and on YouTube?

Stuart

January 27, 2010 at 5:56 am#173733

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Sura 2:61 And humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon [the Jews] and they were visited with wrath from Allah.

Sura 7:166 So when [the Jews] took pride in that which they had been forbidden, We said unto them: Be ye apes despised and loathed!

BD doesn't read the hadiths, but there is this one:

“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim 41:6985

Stuart

January 27, 2010 at 6:02 am#173734

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Quote (Stu @ Jan. 27 2010,16:45)

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 27 2010,12:42)

Ed, Muslims are taught to hate the children of Isreal? Really? Is that in the Quran / from Mohammad or something more of todays frame of mind eg to do with Palestine/Gaza?

The Iranian president would like to see Israel buldozed into the Mediterranian Sea. Don't think for a minute his clergy have not been able to find all the koranic justification he needs.

Have you seen the videos in the Al Jazeera thread and on YouTube?

Stuart

Wow! You should probably tell that to the Jews for ALLAH
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http://www.jews-for-allah.org/

Jesus Christ , a Jew for Allah

Jesus a Jew by race, was a Muslim by religion, A Muslim is some one who Submits Their Will to God. This Is What Jesus Did and Taught.

Regarding the Islamic teachings of Jesus:

Jesus called God “Alayho” in Aramaic.

Jesus taught to rinse before Praying as Muslims do {John 13:10}

Jesus bowed down in Submission on the Ground to God as Muslims do {Matthew 26:39}

Jesus said, all of You who Submit your will to God, are my true Brothers and Sisters (Mark 3:31-35) as Muslims do.

Jesus taught Salvation comes from Submitting our will to God and Faith as Muslims do.

“Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'” (Matthew 7:21-23)

Jesus taught that only God is All Knowing as Muslims do.
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son [Prophet], but only the Father [Creator].” (Mark 13:32)

Jesus taught he is just a servant of God as Muslims are:
“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me.” [John 6:38]

Jesus said the word “Muslim” in Luke 6:40, and told others to be a Muslim:
Aramaic translated into Hebrew: “Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo.”

See: Islam from the Bible

Translation in English: “No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher.”

In addition to the Bible confirming Jesus was a Jew for Allah, the Holy Qur'an also clarifies that Jesus followed Allah:

“And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.” {Holy Quran 5:116}

In conclusion, Jesus Christ is a Jew for Allah.

Peace
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If Muslims hated Jews why would we love all the Jewish Prophets and the Jewish Messiah? You want to cause division between the believers of God and I am glad you are because gentle argument is the key to discovery.

January 27, 2010 at 6:05 am#173736

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Quote (Stu @ Jan. 27 2010,16:45)

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 27 2010,12:42)

Ed, Muslims are taught to hate the children of Isreal? Really? Is that in the Quran / from Mohammad or something more of todays frame of mind eg to do with Palestine/Gaza?

The Iranian president would like to see Israel buldozed into the Mediterranian Sea. Don't think for a minute his clergy have not been able to find all the koranic justification he needs.

Have you seen the videos in the Al Jazeera thread and on YouTube?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I knew you would come through!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 27, 2010 at 6:34 am#173738

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karmarie

Stu: Do you feel comfortable with the original 'teacher' of islam being a pedophile

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Im not sure about that I havent looked into it much?

He married a 6 year old girl and consummated the marriage (ie raped a minor) when she was nine.

Nice, eh?

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Heres some figures I found yesterday:

* Christianity (1.9+ billion people). 600 year head start on Islam

* Islam (1.5+ billion people). Catching up at a rate of 10:1. Many of the converts are Atheists or Christians (including many Church leaders and ministers). By 2025 Muslims will out number Christians.

* In America pre 9/11 40000+ people convert to Islam per year, post 9/11, people have became curious about what makes Muslims tick. They are now discovering that what Muslims like these do are completely in the opposite direction to the teachings of Muhammad and Islam, hence why the number of converts has increased to 78000+ a year.

Yes, and had you noticed that in the US the total number of muslims does not match that rate of conversion? And do you know why? It’s because 75% of new converts leave after 2-3 years.

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* Jesus' had 120 followers at the end of his time on earth Muhammad had millions

Not millions, more like 60,000. How many people did Jesus convert on threat of violence?

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Iv seen Muslims and non muslims being friends, its often the other way round, Christians etc are taught not to assosiate with THEM.

Yes well they are both told to be anti-social, even though they ignore what their religions tell them in each case.

It’s the kind of thing a dictator tells his people: there are some I don’t want you to talk to!

It’s a nasty belief system karmarie, and brutal on women. Its followers may be pleasant people, but that is only because they ignore parts of their belief system to be that way.

Stuart

January 27, 2010 at 6:43 am#173739

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,17:02)

Your first problem here will be to convince me that Jesus actually existed at all. As it happens, I think that about 60% likely, so I'll give you that as a head start.

Now, tell me that you can know even a single thing that Jesus actually said.

There was not one eyewitness of Jesus who wrote an account of him. All we have is people making claims. There is no evidence for any of them whatsoever.

Gentle argument is the key to falling for a nasty mythology.

Stuart

January 27, 2010 at 7:12 am#173744

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,15:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,14:10)

Jesus said:

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:25-27

Tell me what this means, if you know.

Hi BD,

Ed J

So when it says you should hate sin, it means just LOVE LESS sin?

So which concordance and when do you apply that meaning every time it says hate or just that one time?

January 27, 2010 at 7:22 am#173746

http://www.islamic.org.uk/whyislam.htm

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Quote (Stu @ Jan. 27 2010,17:34)

karmarie

Stu: Do you feel comfortable with the original 'teacher' of islam being a pedophile

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Im not sure about that I havent looked into it much?

He married a 6 year old girl and consummated the marriage (ie raped a minor) when she was nine.

Nice, eh?

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Heres some figures I found yesterday:

* Christianity (1.9+ billion people). 600 year head start on Islam

Yes, and had you noticed that in the US the total number of muslims does not match that rate of conversion? And do you know why? It’s because 75% of new converts leave after 2-3 years.

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* Jesus' had 120 followers at the end of his time on earth Muhammad had millions

Not millions, more like 60,000. How many people did Jesus convert on threat of violence?

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Iv seen Muslims and non muslims being friends, its often the other way round, Christians etc are taught not to assosiate with THEM.

Yes well they are both told to be anti-social, even though they ignore what their religions tell them in each case.

It’s the kind of thing a dictator tells his people: there are some I don’t want you to talk to!

It’s a nasty belief system karmarie, and brutal on women. Its followers may be pleasant people, but that is only because they ignore parts of their belief system to be that way.

Stuart

STU,

You don't know what a pedophile is, Did Muhammad marry other woman? Pedophilia is like the Atheists disease it follows a pattern. Pedophiles do not get turned on by women.

Once again you are thinking irrational:

A person who has amoral thinking or immoral thinking acknowledges that there is no inherent value to the way they think and will see no problem in changing the criteria by which they decide to accept or reject conclusions. Whatever definition of rationality could be used there is, for such people, no reason why they should accept it. If being rational by some definition leads to conclusions they don't like then they can just change the definition. In extreme cases there can never be enough evidence and strong arguments for them to accept a statement as true, they just continually move the criteria of what constitutes for them convincing evidence and argument.

Being rational means being a moral thinker.
Being a moral thinker means believing in Allah.
Only the irrational disbelieve.

Islam Is The Natural Religion

Islam is known not only as a rational and moral way of life prescribed for all of mankind, it is known by the term 'Din ul-Fitra' or 'the natural religion'. Islam is the religion designed by the Creator of mankind for the benefit of mankind and therefore fits human nature perfectly. Being Muslim is living in harmony with your human nature.

Natural desires are considered as coming from Allah and put into people for good reason. They don't need to be repressed but rather simply channelled into the right ways of being fulfilled. So, for example, in Islam getting married is considered 'half of the religion' and each act of making love between a husband and his wife is an act of worship.

When a person is born he/she is purely natural, free of sin and Muslim. Humans, we are told in the Qur'an, are made in the best of forms and start life with a huge plus. It is only in later life that their environments may lead them to take beliefs or adopt practices that contradict Islam.

Because of our nature, deep down we all need to find our purpose in life; we all know we have moral responsibilities and we all know that, if anything ought to be, then Allah must exist.

This being part of human nature, no one can claim that their disbelief was the result of ignorance alone. Disbelief is always, at some level, a conscious and sinful act.

On the day of judgement the conscience of the disbeliever will be his or her own damning evidence.

http://www.islamic.org.uk/whyislam.htm

January 27, 2010 at 7:27 am#173747

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Quote (Stu @ Jan. 27 2010,17:43)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,17:02)

Your first problem here will be to convince me that Jesus actually existed at all. As it happens, I think that about 60% likely, so I'll give you that as a head start.

Now, tell me that you can know even a single thing that Jesus actually said.

There was not one eyewitness of Jesus who wrote an account of him. All we have is people making claims. There is no evidence for any of them whatsoever.

Gentle argument is the key to falling for a nasty mythology.

Stuart

You disprove your self. You said you are about 60% sure Jesus existed now as far as Jesus saying a specific thing would you not agree that if you are 60% certain that Jesus existed that he would have generally said what was reported?

I mean even if it is all paraphrased doesn't follow a certain theme?

If someone simply made up the theme what would be the point in assigning such a theme to Jesus when there were other figures it could have been assigned to and better accepted.

January 27, 2010 at 7:35 am#173751

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,17:05)

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 27 2010,16:45)

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 27 2010,12:42)

Ed, Muslims are taught to hate the children of Isreal? Really? Is that in the Quran / from Mohammad or something more of todays frame of mind eg to do with Palestine/Gaza?

The Iranian president would like to see Israel buldozed into the Mediterranian Sea. Don't think for a minute his clergy have not been able to find all the koranic justification he needs.

Have you seen the videos in the Al Jazeera thread and on YouTube?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I knew you would come through!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Hi Stuart,

I knew you would come through!

STU is an Atheist have you also become an Atheist? If not why did you say “I knew you would come through?”

I am going to tell you something ED and I want you to really get it.

STU wants you to LOSE your RELIGION, he despises your religion and GOD. Is that coming through for you?

January 27, 2010 at 8:46 am#173752

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,18:35)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,17:05)

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 27 2010,16:45)

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 27 2010,12:42)

Ed, Muslims are taught to hate the children of Isreal? Really? Is that in the Quran / from Mohammad or something more of todays frame of mind eg to do with Palestine/Gaza?

The Iranian president would like to see Israel buldozed into the Mediterranian Sea. Don't think for a minute his clergy have not been able to find all the koranic justification he needs.

Have you seen the videos in the Al Jazeera thread and on YouTube?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I knew you would come through!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Hi Stuart,

I knew you would come through!

STU is an Atheist have you also become an Atheist? If not why did you say “I knew you would come through?”

I am going to tell you something ED and I want you to really get it.

STU wants you to LOSE your RELIGION, he despises your religion and GOD. Is that coming through for you?

Hi BD,

I don't have 'a religion'!

The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit

All Stuart needs: is to realize God is REAL.
When Stuart hits 'rock bottom' he'll turn to my God!

But what shall be done with you?
Drop the 'book of fraud', it is getting you NOWHERE!
Mt:16:26: For what is a man profited(BD), if he shall gain the whole world,
and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
1John:3:15: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:
and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

YHVH is GOD=117!

“The Bible”=63 is The Word of “YHVH”=63!

PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

You rejecting my GOD puts you outside of the “HolyCity”=117! (Rev.21:2-3)

Rev.22:15: For without(outside the “HolyCity”) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev.21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Prov:3:33: The 'curse'=66 of the LORD is in the house of the wicked… Job41:34: He(Guess who?)
beholdeth all high things: he(satan) is a king over all the children of pride.
Loose the 'pride' BD, and turn to the LIVING GOD: “HolySpirit”(YHVH), Jesus' Father and MY GOD!

Rev.21:7: He that overcometh(satan) shall inherit all things;
and “I” “will be”=63 his God(YHVH=63), and he shall be my son. JEHOVAH Son=117
1John4:4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them(all the Liars): (Rev. 22:15 / Rev:21:8)
because greater is he(HolySpirit) that is in you(Ed J), than he(satan) that is in the world.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 27, 2010 at 9:27 am#173754