The koran on women

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  • #171251
    Stu
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    # It's OK to have sex with your wives on the night of the fast. 2:187

    # Menstruation is a sickness. Don't have sex with menstruating women. 2:222

    # Have sex with your women whenever and as often as you like. 2:223

    # Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are “a degree above them.” 2:228

    # A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282

    # “Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four.” 4:3

    # Males are to inherit twice that of females. 4:11

    # Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15

    # You may not forcibly inherit women, unless they flagrantly lewd. 4:19

    # Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20

    # “All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”
    You can't have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like). 4:24

    # Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them. 4:34

    # Don't pray if you are drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman lately. 4:43

    # Women are feeble and are unable to devise a plan. 4:98

    # They invoke in his (Allah's) stead only females. 4:117

    # A man cannot treat his wives fairly. 4:129

    # “Unto the male is the equivalent share of two females.” 4:176

    # When it's time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be sure to wash up. If you can't find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself. 5:6

    # Men and women are enemies! (Or is it humans and Iblis? Sometimes Allah isn't all that clear about these things.) 7:24

    If your … your wives … are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger … then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass.” 9:24

    # Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 11:78

    # “The guile of you women … is very great.” 12:28

    # Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 15:71

    # When the doom of Allah comes, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, nursing mothers with forget their babies. 22:1-2

    # You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls “that your right hand possess.” 23:6

    # If you accuse an honorable women of adultery, be sure to bring four witness. Otherwise you will receive 80 lashes. 24:4

    # A husband can accuse his wife of adultery with only one witness. 24:6

    # Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31

    # If Muhammad's wives are good, Allah will give them “an immense reward.” 33:28-29

    # The wives of Muhammad will be punished double for lewdness. (And that is easy for Allah.) 33:30

    # The wives of Muhammad are not like other women. They must not leave their houses. 33:32-33

    # When Allah or Muhammad decide that a man and a woman should marry, they must marry. 33:36

    # Allah gave Zeyd to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 33:37

    # Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 33:50-51

    # If men must speak to Muhammad's wives they must speak from behind a curtain. And no one must ever marry one of his wives. 33:53

    # But it's OK for Muhammad's wives to talk with certain people. 33:55

    # Women must cover themselves when in public. 33:59

    # Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23

    # But the single-minded slaves of Allah will enjoy a Garden filled with lovely-eyed virgins. 37:40-48

    # Female companions await those who enter the Gardens of Eden on the Day of Reckoning. 38:52

    # Allah will reward faithful Muslims after they die with “fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.” 44:54

    # Allah will reward those in the Garden with beautiful wives with wide, lovely eyes. 52:20

    # Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27

    # Allah will give those in the Garden women of modest gaze whom neither man nor jinn have touched before them. 55:56

    # Allah will reward believing men with “fair ones” (beautiful women) in heaven. 55:71-72

    # Those in the Garden will be attended by immortal youths with wide, lovely eyes. 56:17-23

    # Allah made virgins to be lovers and friends to those on his right hand. 56:36-37

    # Your wives and children are your enemies. They are to you only a temptation. 64:14-15

    # Instructions for divorcing your wives. 65:1-6

    # Allah's rules for divorcing wives that have not yet reached puberty. 65:4

    # O Prophet! Why bannest thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives?”
    Allah says it's OK for Muhammad to have sex with any of his wives whenever he wants. 66:1

    # Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 66:5

    # The wives of Noah and Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 66:10

    # Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from “the fires of hell” that are “eagar to roast.” 70:1-30

    # You don't have to be chaste around your wives or your slave girls. 70:29-30

    # Abu Lahab will die and be plunged in flaming Fire. His wife will have on her neck a halter of palm fiber. 111:1-5

    #171252
    Proclaimer
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    Wow, if that is the Koran, women get a real bad rap.

    “Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23″

    Imagine the poor woman who is married to a bad man but herself is desent and a good person. Too bad for her. She goes to the celestial rubbish tip because of whom she married, regardless of her faith, character, and works.

    Also, many of these verses are cunningly written as they appeal to the carnal nature of males.
    If you believe what is written here, then paradise and being surrounded by beautiful virgins is only a death away.

    Imagine the shock when those that have killed in the name of Allah find judgement instead of virgins.

    #171253
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Jan. 17 2010,15:59)
    Wow, if that is the Koran, women get a real bad rap.

    “Those who “did wrong” will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23″

    Imagine the poor woman who is married to a bad man but herself is desent and a good person. Too bad for her. She goes to the celestial rubbish tip because of whom she married, regardless of her faith,  character, and works.

    Also, many of these verses are cunningly written as they appeal to the carnal nature of males.
    If you believe what is written here, then paradise and being surrounded by beautiful virgins is only a death away.

    Imagine the shock when those that have killed in the name of Allah find judgement instead of virgins.


    T8,

    Why fall for what evil atheists post:

    21 (A voice will say,) “This is the Day of Sorting Out, whose truth ye (once) denied!”
    22 “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped-

    Notice verse 22 says the things they worshipped?

    And you will find nothing different in the Bible.

    God forbids you to have sex with a woman during her menstrual cycle in the Holy Bible and guess what go through the whole list and then maybe you will understand that STU is speaking about your LORD GOD.

    #171254
    Stu
    Participant

    So it's all true then.

    Stuart

    #171255
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 17 2010,18:50)
    So it's all true then.

    Stuart


    If you posted the actual valid text it would be but you are not even putting down the correct text or the context which it is written in.

    Shouldn't you have integrity in trying to discredit something or is it you choose to discredit something even at the sacrifice of honesty?

    #171256
    Stu
    Participant

    How many women is one man worth, BD?

    Stuart

    #171257
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 18 2010,08:04)
    How many women is one man worth, BD?

    Stuart


    In what way? In some cases in regards to inheritance a man needs twice as much because he has to be able to support a wife.

    In regards to being righteous they are the same

    in what way are you asking? You don't suppose that 3 women can do the same physical work of 3 men, do you?

    STU, Men are not the same as women, they excel in different things, do you think their the same?

    #171258
    Stu
    Participant

    How about in regards to being a witness at the signing of a contract?

    How many women have the same value as one man in regards to ability to be a witness?

    Stuart

    #171259
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 18 2010,11:45)
    How about in regards to being a witness at the signing of a contract?

    How many women have the same value as one man in regards to ability to be a witness?

    Stuart


    2 or 3 because they are not the heads of their households.

    #171260
    kejonn
    Participant

    Islam, the religion of sexist men!

    #171261
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 18 2010,14:18)

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 18 2010,11:45)
    How about in regards to being a witness at the signing of a contract?

    How many women have the same value as one man in regards to ability to be a witness?

    Stuart


    2 or 3 because they are not the heads of their households.


    That is not the answer given in Sura 2:282. One male witness is worth two female witnesses, not '2 or 3'.

    There is some irony in Ch.2 of your sexist book being entitled

    “The Cow”.

    Don't you think?

    Stuart

    #171262
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 18 2010,14:20)
    Islam, the religion of sexist men!


    *He says without a wife*

    #171263
    Stu
    Participant

    BD I have reported your post to the moderators.

    It's the first time I have been moved to do so in 3 1/2 years. I hope it is the last, too.

    Stuart

    #171264

    stuart,

    you used the word 'moved' in a spiritual sense, your evolving. i hope it continues.

    take care

    #171265
    seekingtruth
    Participant

    I'm confused what did bd post that required reporting?

    #171266
    Stu
    Participant

    The one three above your post.

    Stuart

    #171267
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Stu @ Jan. 18 2010,15:32)
    BD I have reported your post to the moderators.  

    It's the first time I have been moved to do so in 3 1/2 years.  I hope it is the last, too.

    Stuart


    Interesting, but tell me what do you think was wrong with the post?

    #171268

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    Interesting, but tell me what do you think was wrong with the post?

    that you believe and adhere to such things regarding women.

    #171269
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (princess of the king @ Jan. 19 2010,11:49)

    Quote
    Interesting, but tell me what do you think was wrong with the post?

    that you believe and adhere to such things regarding women.


    which things? If you are a Christian you will see that it is the same God. In the Quran there are many things that were eased.

    What is the penalty for adultery in the bible?

    Isn't it true that in the Bible it says a woman should not even speak in church?

    In The Bible it says that the Man is the Head of the woman, isn't that right?

    In the Bible it says that a man can have as much sex with his wife as he wants, isn't that right?

    Jesus said if a woman is unfaithful her Husband may put her away, is this right?

    You think that siding with the atheist is reasonable when he calls the God we both believe in imaginary.

    There was a time where God commanded stoning for many offenses in the Bible

    #171270
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2010,18:13)
    God forbids you to have sex with a woman during her menstrual cycle in the Holy Bible and guess what go through the whole list and then maybe you will understand that STU is speaking about your LORD GOD.


    BD, I think you will find that there is a difference between being unclean (unhygienic) and sick/sin.

    It is also unclean to not wash your hands before a meal. It is good advice. Ask any doctor. It is not sick to eat with unclean hands, but it can lead to sickness.

    Also, I saw this documentary once where this Muslim said to the host of this travel show that one prayer in Mecca is worth 100 000 prayers elsewhere, although I think other cities magnified prayers too, but not to the same degree. Then I read above, what Stu posted and it says:

    # Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are “a degree above them.” 2:228
    # A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282

    This I could agree with this: A prayer from your heart is worth many more times than a prayer from your head.

    Putting a number on things like “a man is worth twice that of a woman”, or “a prayer here is magnified 100000 times in this physical location are not the words of God, but man. This is really silly BD. You Should be able to see through such doctrines. You have no excuse for believing this, (if indeed you do).

    BD, do you believe all those quotes from Stu?

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